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List of significant bridge people, books, competitions and awards
Nice one. Abtract (talk) 18:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I haven't fully followed your recent edit ... did you split the article or simply move it? If you split it, it was a bit sudden and I'm not sure if I agree with your action. My purpose in combining these categories in one article was that they all contain people so to split them maybe makes it harder for the reader. Could you explain a little? Thanks. Abtract (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I split two off and moved the remainder trying to follow the protocols but being new may not have done it correctly; I did go through and check the links and redirects on all three resultant articles and fixed all. As for rationale - it is clear to me that two of the lists (people and books) will grow considerably and will ultimately deserve their own pages at some point. So I did it now in anticipation of spending time on them in the next year. Each of these two lists have links to bio pages which is where, IMHO, the real summary of people's notability, competitive playing record, awards and publications should be presented. This was the real purpose of my original list on people - to act as a place where some authority has provided a verifiable and credible source for the identification of notable bridge people. Mob justice would be evidenced by the degree to which editors turned red links into FA blue links and thereby determining just how notable some bridge people really are.  So I prefer to see these two lists remain independent. These two should really be called "Lists of..." where each list entry is a verifiable and credible source.  I am also for removing "significant" from the titles and let the entries speak to their own degree of significance.


 * The list on competitions and awards is more of a puzzle though - it is somewhat redundant as an index with Category:Bridge competitions and in its current poor state could better be reintroduced into the main artcile on Contract bridge. Either way, it should be expanded with more entries each under subsections for each of the WBF zones.


 * Comments are appreciated. Thanks. Newwhist (talk) 13:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have two comments. First it may have been better to have alerted other editors to your intentions before making the split as this is quite a bold move. Having said that I am not as much against it as I thought I would be. I originally combined these three because they all relate to people in one way or another and I still favour that view but let's see how it develops. I see you are quite new so welcome and keep up the good work on bridge articles. Abtract (talk) 13:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Barbara Seagram
Thanks for your recent edits on this article and Marc Smith; they're definite improvements. One note; generally, we only link the first instance of a name, like David Bird. If you feel you could improve Barbara Seagram by finding any citations to add to it, particularly citations that would indicate she meets the requirements of WP:ATHLETE, it would certainly relieve my mind; I'm concerned that someone will challenge this article (although the original speedy tagger and I have discussed it and I think he'll leave it alone). I'm also glad to encounter a fellow bridge book collector; I am very proud of my copy of Terence Reese's Bridge with Mr. Playbetter, complete with the separate hand booklet bound into a pocket on the inside back cover. If there's anything I can do to assist you with this or any other matter, please feel free to call on me at your convenience; thanks for your help with these and other bridge matters. Accounting4Taste: talk 20:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have added what I found from the Official Encyclopedia of Bridge (2001) on Seagram and also added a good word for bridge people in general in Wikipedia talk:Notability (people) Subsection 13. I too have a very good first edition (1952) of Bridge with Mr. Playbetter by Reese/Phillips with the back insert in excellent condition but regrettably without any dust jacket (if there ever was one). --Newwhist (talk) 00:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Mark Horton's book recommendations
That's very useful, but I don't think that the table format works very well. The trouble is that the entries are too long to fit very well into columns. JH (talk page) 17:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The new format is much more readable. JH (talk page) 08:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Engineering Institute of Canada
Hi Newwhist, thanks for helping with the Engineering Institute of Canada article. With two is always more fun than alone and we have quicker a good article.

I just like to share some experience you maybe not aware of: I hope you can agree with above proposed changes. I will update Engineering Institute of Canada accordingly, and do some extra copyedit. Of course your say is also important. If I missed some insight from your side, please share. Looking forward for the collaboration. -- SchreyP (talk) 09:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently they don't like multiple official website links on one article. I just found this out a couple of days ago. I initially added those links too, for every member society of EIC. Have a look in WP:ELOFFICIAL for more details. So I suggest we remove those for member societies we have an article on Wikipedia. I checked already that the individual articles had those offical website link included.
 * For references you can use templates to have more attributes like the date of retrieval (accessdate). The last one helps to assess how old the link is when it breaks, to find an update or a potential archived one. I saw you removed them from some links. I prefer to add them again for reasons just explained. Here some links for templates I use the most, with help on possible attributes: Cite web, Cite journal and Cite news.
 * OK with me, thanks Newwhist (talk) 14:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Opening book
The suggested rename of Opening book seems fine to me. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Official Encyclopedia of Bridge
This might be lost at User:Newwhist/Official_Encyclopedia_of_Bridge so here it is. I am looking at a library copy of the current, 6th edition and I have revised Official Encyclopedia of Bridge by reference to it. Please see that discussion page. --P64 (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Response posted at "that discussion page" Thanks.  Newwhist (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Vugraph
During edit conflict 10 to 30 minutes ago, I saved my work in progress (see the Bonus Question) and I resolved to return later. Good work on the reference. --P64 (talk) 21:04, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wondered why I got a freeze-up one time!  Also, thanks for your recent efforts on this and other bridge articles.  I have done some more editing on Vugraph but feel free to do more.  Newwhist (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Could you explain your rationale for this? Here is my rationale:

Contract bridge is in Category:Contract bridge, which is in Category:Whist family of card games, which is in Category:Plain-trick games, which is in Category:Trick-taking card games. These categories form a hierarchy to keep them manageable. When an uncategorised trick-taking game article comes in, then to locate related games, we just have to compare it with the criteria for subcategories all the way down through the hierarchy. With this technique I keep spotting duplicated articles due to different names for the same game. Then the content gets merged and one article available under both names, or two related articles link to each other prominently, so that the Brazilians know that their Sueca's closest known relative is a German game, for example. If the hierarchy is flattened, it's much harder to spot the odd, otherwise uncategorisable games that one needs to compare to any new odd games that come in.

No reader is going to miss the fact that contract bridge is a trick-taking game, as it's stated clearly in the first sentence. If your concern is that the game should somehow be advertised in the category, then I am sure we can find a solution. Preferably by mentioning (and linking) it as an example on the category description page, along with other prominent games of the genre. Or by tweaking the current structure. (I have two ideas for this, but want to see your response before going into further details.)

Or maybe you are thinking in a completely different direction that hasn't occurred to me yet? Hans Adler 12:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your reasoning is sound. In fact, I am trying to eliminate a similar problem within the hierarchy of categories for contract bridge related articles. The problem remains for both our situations - How does someone not familiary with the hierarchy know where they are when looking at a particlar category name, i.e. what is above (parent categories), below (child categories) or beside them (sibling categories) in the tree? Other than following the trail one by one, there is no place to view the whole tree (as far as I know).  I do believe that categories are overused and abused and am sympathetic to your intentions.  I agree that the structure as developed is generally technically correct in having contract bridge categories being a subset of whist family of games, but this is not commonly known except perhaps to avid whist players and so one is unlikely to find the contract bridge group of subcategories.  Some argue that whist and bridge are both derived from a common ancester and that contract bridge is not a decendent of whist as is generally accepted. Without trying to resolve that debate, the practcal question is where woould an average reader expect to categorize contract bridge? Seems that the answer is more likley to be "a trick-taking game" than "a descendent of the whist family". In any case, I am willing to accept your guidance on the appropriate starting place for the categories of contract bridge related articles and let you deal wiith whatever is above, below or beside them in the tree. Please undo my undo unless you have other options to offer for further discussion that may address my (modest) concerns.  Thanks  Newwhist (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, categories tend to be a problem. We are always having to compromise somewhere. I guess the average readers only distinguish between "card games" (= trick-taking games) and "other card games". I am not sure why a reader would look for a well known specific game by clicking through the category tree rather than just by entering its name, but I guess it does happen. (Use cases without keyboard support? For this we also have the trick-taking games navigation template.) Two ideas:
 * We could put Category:Contract bridge directly in Category:Card games and Category:Trick-taking games. Then we don't encourage a belief that the hierarchy must be flattened in this way for all games, and a reader who is already using categories may actually be happier to arrive at the category first.
 * We could generally choose "featured" members for the bigger categories. Contract bridge, along with other highly notable games, would be in Category:Card games and Category:Trick-taking games using code such as that puts them all together under a * rather than their respective initial letters. We could go mostly by the page view statistics for such decisions.
 * While I am here: In my research on historical card games I keep finding and downloading old whist-related books, including many in German and French. I am not really planning to do anything with them in the foreseeable future, as I am more interested in point-trick games. But I would happily provide the files and help with research by looking things up in these books and providing references, if anyone wants to write History of whist at some point. Hans Adler 12:15, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Searching for titles or keywords is one way to navigate. Browsing the categories is another. The category structure may also be useful or interesting because it reveals how knowledgeable people organize the "field".
 * Note some variation.
 * Category:Trick-taking games includes a short preface that explains two of its three sub-categories. The other, Category:Trick-and-draw games, concerns a subset of trick-taking card games; it has been placed both here and "down" in Category:Trick-taking card games.
 * (subcat 1) Category:Trick-and-draw games includes a hatlink to Trick-and-draw game, which is not itself in the category. (Where such an article does exist, the hatlink fulfills one purpose of a typical prose preface.)
 * (subcat 2) Category:Trick-taking card games includes no preface of any kind. It does include List of trick-taking games.
 * (subcat 3) Category:Trick-taking domino games includes a one-line preface that mimics the lead sentence of an article.
 * Some greater consistency will be beneficial.
 * Explaining some local aspect of the category structure, and thus the organization of the field, is one function that prefaces may fulfill, in part. Without recommending the baseball category structure, let me point to one blunt example there, Category:Boston Red Stockings players. Section See also is a list of sibling categories.
 * --P64 (talk) 19:17, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. The part of the category system that you are commenting on is work in progress. While systematising the categories at a pretty fast pace, I am also producing articles on historically important games, many of which have next to no conveniently accessible information on the web so far. And occasionally I work on articles on the very fundamentals, such as List of traditional card and tile packs. As long as article space in this area is very incomplete and very badly organised, I don't think writing introductions to categories that may have to be renamed, split or merged as our treatment of the topic improves is the best way to spend my time. Hans Adler 18:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Gold Cup
I'm not sure that your change of category for this article is correct. At the top of the category page it gives a definition of what a "zonal competition" is: "This category cotains competitions held for championships and players within one or more of the World Bridge Federation zones (or would have had the WBF zone system existed at the time) but is not open to all countries of the world." As I understand it, Britain falls within the European Zone of the WBF, so adding the zonal competition category I think ought to imply that the competition is open to teams from any country within the European Zone, which isn't the case. The same argument would apply to the Camrose Trophy, and perhaps to some other competitions that have been recategorised. I think that the zonal competition category ought to be restricted to things such as the European Championships. JH (talk page) 20:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks; much appreciate the chance to make improvements to the categorizations. The category definition for Category:Bridge zonal competitions is mine and I admit to struggling with it. Let me start at the beginning of my thinking.  First the Category:Bridge competitions should be at the top of the category tree. Next, the logical subcategorizations I contemplated were based on the fact that: (1) there are events which are open to all countries to compete in (usually now sponsored under the auspices of the WBF or World Mind Sports Games), and (2) then there are competitions which are restricted in some fashion to a subset of countries. Two examples of articles which belong to this subset are (a) Commonwealth Nations Bridge Championships and (b) North American Bridge Championships.  The former crosses WBF zonal boundaries but does not include all countries of the world and so is not, IMHO, a "world" competition. Likewise, the latter includes only the USA, Canada, Mexico and Bermuda. The subcategory of Category:North American Bridge Championships is properly a subset of Category:Bridge zonal competitions. To this should be added subcategories for each of the remaining eight WBF zones, if and when sufficient articles exist; for example, as you infer, there should be Category:European Bridge League Championships.  Finally, the question arises then, what is the best title for a subcategory of competitions which are not "world" and not "WBF Zonal". Perhaps "zonal" should have been "zonal or subzonal" but that is somewhat awkward. A change in definition might be more appropriate - that is, change "for championships and players within one or more of the World Bridge Federation zones" to "for championships and players within one or more countries of a World Bridge Federation zone." The problem is not so much the assignment of the category (as redefined), but the name of the category which, I accept, is still amiguous.   An alternative construct might be to have the Bridge competitions categories follow a tree structure like WBF World Championships, WBF Zonal Championships (with sub categories for each of the eight zones) and then something like National bridge championships and Multi-national bridge championships the latter two capturing competitions which comprise of one or more countries respectively independent of WBF zonal boundaries.  You guidance and input are appreciated. Newwhist (talk) 15:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining your reasoning. I like your suggested revised wording for the definition of the category. I suspect that there's never going to be a perfect solution to the hierarchy of categories, simply because there are various "anomalous" competitions such as the Camrose Trophy that are always going to be difficult to assign to a category. Now that I know that you've given the matter careful thought, I'm happy to go along with whatever you decide. This is a good opportunity for me to thank you for all the hard work that you've put in on our bridge articles. You've greatly improved them. JH (talk page) 20:05, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I will change the definition as noted above as the preferred remedy for the time being. Newwhist (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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BridgeHandTest
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Congratulations
I have several bridge articles on my watchlist so it won't surprise you to learn that your name crops up quite a lot. Whilst I don't agree with all of your edits, I just wanted to thank you and to congratulate you on your recent edit history ... some good work there! I especially like the work you have put in on Hand evaluation, an article I started and contributed much to. Keep up the good work! Abtract (talk) 22:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For forty years I knew "ww" as one of the least frequent double letters but it has moved into the middle ranks this year.
 * Let me add that your User space is useful! --to use both naively and as a source of unused ideas for improving my own. --P64 (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Diamonds et al
Can you please explain how does removing the class attribute improve rendering? It breaks some features for me and other editors who edit poker articles and prefer a four-color deck. Rymatz (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I must confess to dementia on this; I have reinstated the class parameter in each of the suit symbol templates. With regards to your earlier edit, these templates are used extensively in contract bridge articles. Samples of the international standard notation for this game using the style generated by these templates can be seen in WikiProject Contract bridge/Manual of Style or in any newspaper column or in any book on bridge.  The effect of your display change would destroy this universal means of displaying bridge hand or in describing the bidding in any in-line text and would adversely affect other bridge hand diagrams used. For example articles where the templates are used see: Blackwood convention, Stayman convention or most articles in Category:contract bridge.


 * There are ways to achieve your objectives without any cross-over effect on bridge article. As a trial, I have created four new templates which look like the ones you had transformed earlier (I think).  See: pspades, phearts, pdiamonds and pclubs. Modify further to suit (no pun intended) your poker needs as you wish (not sure how this improves the display but will leave that to you); I will also leave you to do the documentation; let me know if you want any help doing this. You poker guys can use your 'p' suit syntax and us bridge guys can use the standard syntax. Let me know if I am off base.  Best regards. Newwhist (talk) 01:19, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Manual of style
Hiya. I saw this edit of yours. You seem unfamiliar with some aspects of wp:MOS.

In particular, please read wp:ORDER, re normal section headers and levels.

I've corrected the section headers. Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 23:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * N, I have silently disagreed with you on the same point somewhere.
 * There is a method for listing some "Citations" (bibliographic data) in the "References" section, and repeatedly using them in particular References. That's useful especially when one source is used many times, with different page numbers or perhaps headings. —thinking of Encyclopedia, vugraph; Encyclopedia, Bermuda Bowl; ... or OEB6, vugraph; OEB6, bermuda bowl.
 * This week User:Mirokado began to implement this at Anne McCaffrey —where I was the author of all 80 references. --P64 (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have amended my ways. See consolidated Wiki policy on this. Newwhist (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

S. J. Simon
I saw some edits by you to this page recently. I have been adding information about Simon's fiction, and though the new info is (I hope) all good stuff, it does rather muck up the balance of the article, with bridge now somewhat overshadowed. I wonder if you have access to any more bridge-oriented information about Simon that you could add to re-balance the article? Regards. Tim riley (talk) 15:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I may have some material buried in some of my older bridge books; I am busy with other interests right now but I shall return. Newwhist (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! No rush whatever! Tim riley (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It has been some time since our last exchange. Nevertheless, I recently encountered a quote I thought worthy of an entry for Simon. Newwhist (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I am researching for biography of Skid. Have been working on this for 2 years now. It will be published in Mr Bridge magazine called BRIDGE. Most likely around March 2018. Contact me if you have specific questions. (user ShireenM)  Shireenm (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I look forward to seeing it. Perhaps you could give me another heads-up when it is published. Regards. Newwhist (talk) 12:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

List of bridge books
"In the early Thirties, Acol is fashioned by S. J. Simon and Jack Marx to become the most popular bidding system in Britain." That rather makes it sound as though by the early thirties it had already become the most popular system. How about "In the early Thirties, Acol is fashioned by S. J. Simon and Jack Marx, and eventually becomes the most popular bidding system in Britain." (My guess is that it wasn't until after the war that it was really taken up by players below the top level.) JH (talk page) 16:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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new user John plaut
N, have you met User:John plaut from spanish wikipedia ? He has edited many bridge articles. It appears that he has access to OEB7; he was scolded for too-preliminary work on The Official Encyclopedia three weeks ago. I have welcomed and multiply advised at User talk: John plaut. Ten minutes later he has thanked at User talk: P64 (sic). --P64 (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Have not exchanged any commentary until just now. OEB7 is due out for release Nov 15 according to my local Chapters store and I have ordered a copy.  Not sure if John has an early release or is just speculating about its imminent release.  I will update OEB when I get my hands on the book.  It is supposed to be more like a coffee table book and less like previous editions.  Newwhist (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Apologizing
I just want to thank all people related to this project, specially regarding bridge topics. I can only admire the great job already done here. I want also apologize for having unvoluntarily created an Honor Count page. It was probably done when I was adding terms to the Glossary of Bridge Terms spanish (or english) page, where I dealt with the Hand evaluation tag and PH tag many times.

The Bridge Encyclopedia 7th edition has only 633 pages. Comes with a CD-ROM of the complete book. Already available at Baronbarclaybridgesupplies.com. 85 pages of conventions and 55 pages of suit combinations (same as 6th).

BTW, when I try to use the &thsp; operator to separate suit symbols from the card numbers I dont get the adecuate conversion in the text. So, I am using the "no blank" nbsp as an alternative. Some advise?. Thanks in advance.

Kindly, --John plaut (talk) 08:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi John.
 * No apologies required - we are all presumed to be working in good faith.
 * Use  and not &thsp; it stands for thin space
 * Also  stands for non-breaking space.
 * Newwhist (talk) 12:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Skid J. Simon revisited
I have recently read (not sure where) some nice stories about the enroled Simon being at the London bombing when they were playing bridge with his (also famous) mates in some hidden place. They ended the hand not giving importance to the hootering sirens, as they had a personal view of what was more important. --John plaut (talk) 09:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be excellent if you could provide a verifiable source for this and any other stories about Simon and add them to the Simon article - good luck. Newwhist (talk) 12:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Re category removal
Newhist - my edit summary could have been clearer. It should have read category is redundant to Category:Bibliographies of games and sports which is a sub-category of Category:Bibliographies by subject. Thanks for the fishing kudos. --Mike Cline (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Contract bridge project
I think we should have a chart of the world's leading players (by WBF points)and have a bio for each person. Would this be a good idea? Rjeng2000 —Preceding undated comment added 01:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC).
 * Yes. You should check out the range of existing articles on bridge people. See:
 * List of bridge people
 * Category:Bridge people and each of the subcategories
 * the contract bridge project page listings under People in this subsection which suggests new articles on bridge people
 * the list of existing articles on people in the contract bridge Index
 * Notable people criteria
 * Newwhist (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have made a page called WBF Open Ranking and is still working on it. However, I can not cite it. I tried citing it but it doesn't look good. O.O — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjeng2000 (talk • contribs) 16:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Talk: WBF Open Ranking
 * I second the welcome. --P64 (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

ACBL most influential players
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NEW ZEALAND WELLINGTON HAMILTON !
Néo-Zélandais Hello ! Can you write this article New Zealand Contract Bridge Association and translate Association néo-zélandaise de bridge de contrat ? You must translate French article and from it make the English articles.
 * I can but will not. You can do it. Newwhist (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Contract Bridge
Hi Newwhist - I bet all your Bridge books read "Contract Bridge". Yes I played the game for 12 years and collected some books on the subject. One of them specifically for defence, all in Spanish ! Sheinwood's is good, but Jacoby's is better, you know ! - I wonder if you noticed this no referenced addition ? I'd like your opinion about moving this content to a new article about variants of the game. You know A Hand of Bridge ? Krenakarore TK 23:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Some do not. Noticed. Define variant. No. Newwhist (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A variant is a modification or adaptation of a game into another, and a variation is a different way to play the same game. Towie, (That three-handed on the article has no name ? You recognize it ?), Booby, Cutthroat... this Chicago (bridge card game) has very little chance of development and the same happens to this Bridge whist, once it is "identical with Biritch" (Parlett p. 46)... Honeymoon bridge (It sound more like the name of a bridge to me). But if you wanna keep it there it's fine !  Krenakarore  TK 14:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I did not say I wished to keep it or not keep it. Newwhist (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * C'mon Newwhist, give yourself a chance to know me better. Krenakarore  TK 15:04, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Fellows of learned societies
Hello, I've nominated the aformentioned category for deletion, considering its redundancy to the category:members of learned societies on the one hand, and its mixing up of different kinds of "fellowships" on the other. Regards, --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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"Rule of" entries
Newwhist, I'm troubled by the continued appearance of "Rule of . . ." articles in the Glossary, particularly when they are so poorly written as to be misleading, or simply in error. And I wonder how many of them are detritus that someone picked up from a privately published book or some other generally ill-regarded source -- if not OR, the next thing to it. I'm thinking of adding a Rule of Thirteen, which counsels you to count your cards before the bidding, subtract the result from thirteen, and call for a new deal if the result is not zero. I honestly believe that most of these "rules" are at that level of sophistication.

I would simply copy-edit misleading text but I think that to do so is to somehow legitimize a pointless entry. And my own reading these days is limited to a library of books dating back to the 1980's and 1990's and an up to date collection of TBW issues. Oh, and the NYT bridge columns, which have not been up to snuff since Truscott turned it over to Alder. So I'm reluctant to simply delete an entry which, for example, might be an integral part of The Law. (And I never got around to reading Larry Cohen's book on total tricks.)

I'd appreciate your thoughts on these matters. If you would like to take this off line, I can be reached at conrad@conradcarlberg.com.

Regards -- TurnerHodges (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your enquiry. I am in agreement with your assessment of the situation and share your concern about the merit of these 'Rule of...' entries (amongst others) in the glossary. So far, my only personal test of relevancy has been whether or not they have an entry in the Official Encyclopedia of Bridge (OEB) but I must say that I remain sceptical when even this reference simply presents the rule without any explanantion of its technical basis, giving at most a statement of the rule and the names of it originator(s) - in short, no proof of the theorem itself. What to do? I admit to being an inclusionist on Wiki matters but only from verifiable and notable sources. I submit that these would be (1) the OEB, (2) The Bridge World Magazine, (3) Bridge Magazine, (4) Books by recognized experts expressing both support for and an explanation of the 'rule'.  More generally, it is of concern that most entries in the glossary do not contain references - they should, and therein, I believe, is the problem.  My approach would be to leave what is and over time add references for each entry, ultimately exposing those where none can be found and deleting them - I am not in a hurry with respect to this process. Newwhist (talk) 23:41, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

United States Bridge Federation
United States Bridge Federation (USBF) Coudl you watch this one and make an article about this ? Do not counfound ACBL and USBF ! 92.136.142.69 (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Redundancy?
Newwhist, I can't identify the information in the Squeeze Play article with which the sentence that you removed is redundant. I wonder if the redundancy you note might be due to an inference made by someone who is already familiar with the position's requirements. If that's correct, I suggest that it's more useful to make all the requirements explicit than to omit something that an inference renders redundant. Of course I might be missing something. TurnerHodges (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Response at User talk:TurnerHodges. Newwhist (talk) 18:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And a happy new year to you too. Interesting -- just as I was reading your response on my user talk page, the CD player went to the next cut on the CD -- an old tune by Ian Tyson called Song for Canada.


 * Here's what I was trying to get at, perhaps clumsily. In many squeezed positions, we have two threats opposite the squeeze card. A squeeze neophyte might try to visualize a situation in which the squeeze card and both threats were in the same hand (say, South) and both guards in, say, East. Therefore I tried to make it explicit by stating that at least one threat must be opposite the squeeze card, and that at least one threat must lie in the upper hand.


 * I realize that WP is an encyclopedia, not a how-to manual, but I still have a tendency to over-explain. I'm not my own best editor, so I can certainly live with the deletion -- I simply wanted to make sure that you were clear on what I was trying to get across. TurnerHodges (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Your most recent revision looks good to me. The addition of a sub-level clarifies it nicely. Thank you. TurnerHodges (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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translation of two articles..
could you help me translate that Norges Sjakkforbund, please ? i need somebody to do this. it is about Norwegian Chess Federation. if you can't, you have to let me a message on my page of discussion. 92.146.137.219 (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Translations of two articles.
Could you make two new articles for me, please ? I'd like you to translate Association argentine de bridge and Fédération française des échecs. 92.146.137.77 (talk) 10:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Newwhist: I'm told on my talkpage that this IP is a cross-wiki vandal and that I should not have been translating articles for them. Here's the report page. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for the reversion; I didn't see the hidden list of hall of famers with Ira Rubin in it.

Bearian (talk) 17:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC) 

Camrose Trophy
Re Camrose Trophy format (diffs 2013-10-09):

Hi, Newwhist.

We may expect other competitions articles to be hit by script-assisted stripping of flagicons and country links, and by User:OhConfucius in particular. Conversion of format Retrieved YYYY-MM-DD too.

Regarding the latter, I commonly revert (date formats manually, if they are few in number) with edit summary "restore format Retrieved YMD after abuse of MOS:NUM", occasionally identifying the editor as well. On that line I would restore four instances of '2011-07-11' here, perhaps without another change. That isn't sensible given the shabby remaining flags and country links.

It's common but not routine to strip 'English' with some of the four targets English, English, English, English, and I don't know the criterion for including more than the first (England piped to English), perhaps the imagination of the programmer-editor.

I prefer to continue using flags, emphatically where competitors do represent bridge nations, and prefer not to link country names much, hence to use flag that displays 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ENG TCH only where space is scarce.

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Tom Townsend
Hi, I have seen the extensive work you have done on bridge articles and thought you might be interested in this new page.The Whispering Wind (talk) 00:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hubert Phillips
The change that you've made about his writing for the News Chronicle has greatly changed the meaning, and I'm left wondering which version is correct. The previous version implied that he wrote essays and "leaders" for the newspaper. Could he have done that in addition to writing articles on bridge as "Nine Spot"? (The usual practice of newspapers is that "leaders" are unattributed, which might make finding out the true position difficult.) JH (talk page) 18:17, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The 1935 Culbertson Encyclopedia of Bridge states on page 329: "... has contributed Bridge articles to the News Chronicle, London (which he signed "Nine-spot"), The Nation, and The New Statesman, both English periodicals, and to London newspapers generally. He also contributes to the Bridge Magazine, London and is editor-in-chief of the British Bridge World."


 * The 6th edition of the Official Encyclopedia of Bridge (2001) on page 713, states that he was "Editor of British Bridge World 1936-1939, one of pioneers of bridge organization in England.... most eminent author of intellectual and mathematical puzzles under the name 'Caliban' and 'Dogberry' and of cryptic crosswords."


 * There is also a reference in the 6th edition of the OEB which states he was "Essayist and lead writer for London News Chronicle." It is likely that his role at the News Chronicle changed over time and so each reference must be taken as time sensitive.


 * Please make your preferred edits accordingly. Newwhist (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Given that he had a background in economics, it seems plausible that he might have written leaders. However whoever originally put that in didn't provide a citation for it, and I'm reluctant to restore it without one. JH (talk page) 21:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * But now I've found a reference. JH (talk page) 21:28, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Great find. Attaboy! Newwhist (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * The event was contested for the Karn Trophy from 1931 to 1933 and the Steiner Trophy from 1934 until 1960 when it was discontinued.

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Elaine Cassidy (Australian mayor)
Hi, I wonder if you can help me. I been working on the article on Elaine Cassidy but I know nothing about bridge. From the following reference would you be able to sum up her bridge career:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/obituaries/elaine-cassidy-mayor-was-a-champion-bridge-player-20140416-zqvg9.html

Cheers Castlemate (talk) 16:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Below is the extract from the given link pertaining to her bridge accomplishments.
 * "Cassidy was also a champion bridge player and represented NSW in duplicate bridge. She became a gold life master.


 * In 2006, the Cassidys moved to Orange. On the Monday before her death, Cassidy played in the Australia Wide Pairs bridge competition and she and her partner came 40th out of 488 pairs."


 * While perhaps gratifying on a personal level, they are not particularly notable on a national or international level. I will, however, add an appropriate sentence if I can verify the statements. Newwhist (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help ... I suspect that "Champion" was a little bit of an overstatement. Castlemate (talk) 00:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

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Do you depend on edit summaries to maintain WPCBIndex itself? Just now I thought of that and reconsidered obscuring the template in "various fixes" --thus -- moot in this case, I see, because but I see that Eisenberg is in the template.

Do you know of a tool that effects "What links here" but does not include what links here via navigation templates such as {WPCBIndex}? What links here: "Hide transclusions" does not do that, as I just now hoped and tried. So every page in WPCB is linked from every page, iiuc.

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 * I do depend upon monitoring edits and have found no helpful tools. I simply put the Index on every page without it and then check to ensure the page is in the Index. Perhaps some programmer types can find a way to do the check more systematically and thoroughly. Regards, and thanks for all your recent efforts - good stuff. Newwhist (talk) 02:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * games such as Bridge take place as well. Originally held most often in [London] or Maastricht, cities from around the world have hosted the Olympiad.

Some things to discuss
I see that you have quoted me from my Bridge Winners article, On the Actions of Administrators.

If you want to get in touch via my BW account I have some information for you.

Avon Wilsmore Avonw (talk) 23:44, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Avon. I read but have not posted or interacted at BW. The page you reference, is my personal sandbox page for collecting verifiable information from reliable sources consistent with Wikipedia policies. Post there if you wish but everything must be substantiated and documented. Newwhist (talk) 16:49, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Fame at last!
Have you seen the third item on page 16 of the April 2016 English Bridge? It's nice to be appreciated. :) JH (talk page) 15:47, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I subscribe to The Bridge World but not English Bridge. What does the article say?  Newwhist (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's part of an article by Simon Cochemé in which he answers some readers questions. I think it falls within "fair use" if I quote the relevant portion. Luckily EBU members can access the magazine online, so I haven't had to type it all in!

NIGEL F of Cowes wants to know who writes the bridge entries in Wikipedia.

''An interesting question, Nigel. I found about 20 entries for past greats, from Buller and Beasley, through Markus and Reese, up to Schapiro and Priday. Of our current English players, Tony Forrester, Andrew Robson, Nicola Smith, Tom Townsend and Brian & Nevena Senior (find one, get one free) all have Wikipedia entries. I asked them if they knew who had created the entries, and who was updating them. They all said that (a) they didn’t know who was doing the work and (b) they didn’t even know they had Wikipedia entries. I can accept (a) but I believe (b) may be liable to Law 70A, Contested Claim.''

Looking at the Wikipedia history logs, there is a small group of unsung heroes responsible for adding the information, the most hard-working of whom are Jhall1, Newwhist and Macdonald-Ross.

Thanks, guys, whoever you are.

JH (talk page) 20:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice words of encouragement! I often wonder how to enlist more people with an interest in bridge to write in Wikipedia. Perhaps a reply to the article in the form of a letter to the English Bridge editor might be in order. While there is now a good volume of bridge articles on Wikipedia, most are still in need of upgrading. Newwhist (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll see if I can draft something. Perhaps Simon Cochemé's article by itself will be enough to encourage a few readers of the magazine to take a look at Wikipedia and maybe contribute. JH (talk page) 07:46, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Spwlling
Sorry, I cannot help but notice an instance of Muphry's Law in this edit summary of yours. :) No such user (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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Rixi Markus photo
Thanks for the photos you've added to several articles. I would have expected that the one from the cover of her 1988 book would have be subject to copyright, though. (The other photos that you've added you've hopefully taken yourself.) JH (talk page) 17:45, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The Markus photo is my own and permissible under the rules regarding book covers specific to the book being referenced. The others are in the public domain and can be found at player photos in Wikimedia Commons. Also of interest, please see images of bridge items in Wikimedia Commons. Newwhist (talk) 17:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. JH (talk page) 07:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Templates
I tried to move the hard-to-search ACBL and other bridge data into simple searchable CSV files. See https://github.com/njhammond/generate_bridge_wikipedia_entries May be easier than ACBL, but then someone has to maintain site...Nicolas.hammond (talk) 03:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * . First: many thanks for all the player additions you have made recently. Looking more internationally, I have examined player entries at the Wikis of other languages and have provided a summary of links at this location. In general, other language Wikis are very poor in their coverage of players but if some language-capable people can be seconded here, it would be worthwhile to translate what we can and create more articles for these less ACBL-centric players. Second: While I am reasonably proficient as an end user of computing, I am not a programmer and maintaining an external site does not seem sufficiently more advantageous to me, but convince me otherwise. Have you seen the draft template Template:ACBLWinners? Conceptually, it is a means of moving the updating/editing of references for all the individual 'winners' and 'runners-up' data in each person's article to a central location should the target host site alter its website structure. A similar template could be created for WBF, EBL, etc.? Please add any comments at this location. Newwhist (talk) 12:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

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RE: Revision to links
Oh, you're right, linking in dates is not so obvious, but don't you think it would be better if we put a Details link below the date, instead of using the Further template. Let me know what you do think. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 17:11, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I did try Details but found it (a) more wordy and (b) often caused the article link to wrap to a second line. I thought the shorther link (mostly one-liners) with further looked more elegant. See the edit history for back when I did that and you can judge for yourself.  Newwhist (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking in something like this, instead of using templates. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I do prefer your link approach to the details template approach&mdash;nearly identical to the further approach but shorter which is better IMHO. But would it not be even better if it were located in the description column? Newwhist (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better placed in the date column, because it is the first column and anyway it wouldn't look bad there. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. I have moved a copy of our dialogue to the talk page of the article - a better place to get others involved in the discussion. See here. Newwhist (talk) 14:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Howell and Mitchell
Hi Newwhist - I see your improvements to the article on E C Howell. Many thanks. You might be interested in looking at a new draft Draft:John T. Mitchell as the two are intimately linked at duplicate club level!! Viking1808 (talk) 07:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Bridge vs Bridge player
Hey there, I was wondering what's the reasoning behind many articles having "(Bridge)" as the differentiator in the title (EG Mark Horton (bridge) William Flannery (bridge)) as opposed to "(Bridge player)"? If the subject's connection to bridge is for things other than playing it makes sense ( eg Ben Cohen (bridge)) but otherwise it makes more sense to add "player" to it, the same way we have chess player etc. Some players already have it (eg George Jacobs (bridge player)). Was there ever a discussion about this? Hydromania (talk) 00:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. As you probably know, the information in parenthesis at the end of an article name is used to disambiguate it from others with the same name. There are many George Jacobs in Wikipedia. If you look at the bottom of his article, you will see that he is categorized as an 'American contract bridge players' and a 'Bermuda Bowl players'. Some players have even more categories than that. Incidentally, George Jacobs is a bridge writer and that category should be added to his article. It would become too cumbersome to add all the various qualifiers at the end of an article name. And so which ones to choose?. It has been documented in the Contract Bridge Project Manual of Style for people's name to simply put (bridge) after the person's name if disambiguation is necessary - see the second bullet.
 * So interestingly, George Jacobs (bridge player) should be moved to 'George Jacobs (bridge)' and the category 'Contract bridge writers' should be added. Feel free to make those changes. Newwhist (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems you have started an unnecessary debate on a subject that has been resolved many times. Why did you not just move it? Simple. What a waste of time this is going to create! Newwhist (talk) 22:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey sorry about that, don't take it personally. I was not able to move it (and neither would you have been) as the target page contains a redirect to the current page. I listed under non controversial moves, not anticipating the discussion it would touch off. If it was indeed discussed in the past, just link to one of them in the talk page.Hydromania (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Cheating in bridge
Hi Newwhist,

There is currently a discussion happening at bridgewinners entitled “Cheating in Bridge”. The links is.

I wondered if you would be able to clarify some of the questions, particularly:
 * Why the word “transcript” appears in the quote cited by Avon in the discussion
 * Where the statement Doubting the authenticity of the Burgay tapes came from originally.

In any case I thought the discussion may be of interest to you.

Best wishes JZCL 03:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. I am busy with life but will see if I can find a relevant source when time permits. Newwhist (talk)
 * Hi Joe, see here for most recent developments. Newwhist (talk) 19:22, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

E-mail
You write at WP:HD that you didn't receive my e-mail. That is weird. I had thought for a moment that maybe I sent it to the wrong user, but my browser still marks your “Email this user” link as visited. BTW, I also didn't get a notification of your ping, but at least that's been known to happen occasionally. Anyway, I'm glad the matter is solved for you. ◅ Sebastian 08:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I got the alert now. Sometimes, these things apparently just take their time. Have you received the mail now, by any chance? ◅ Sebastian 18:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All is good; the recovery of my Sandbox edits is done. Thanks for your help - you guys at the Help Desk do a great job for us Neanderthals! Newwhist (talk) 11:10, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. Yes, I know it's solved for you. I was just curious to know if my mail just vanished in Never-Never-Land. ◅ Sebastian 13:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, never got an email. Not sure what happened. 142.114.157.184 (talk) 16:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC) Newwhist (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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This morning I posted a suggestion on the Bridge Championships talk page. I was then curious who had significantly worked on the article and came across your name. I just spent a nice few minutes with my coffee reading all the great quotations on your User Page. Just wanted to say thank you. Kingturtle = (talk) 14:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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Request
Hello. First of all, thank you for your help with Bridge articles. I ask you, if you can, please make a federation article of any other zone that does not exist. Everyone has a site and the site of the World Federation has its information. Makes the competitions and information of each zone complete with more resources in the future.

Confederación Sudamericana de Bridge (CSB)

Bridge Federation of Asia & the Middle East (BFAME)

Central American & Caribbean Bridge Federation (CAC)

Asia Pacific Bridge Federation (APBF)

South Pacific Bridge Federation (SPBF)

African Bridge Federation (ABF)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MXccc (talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone1/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone2/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone3/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone4/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone5/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone6/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone7/

http://www.worldbridge.org/bridge-zones/qzone8/

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