User talk:Newyorkbrad/Archive/2014/Sep

Today's featured music
 Today seems the perfect day to run DYK Mouvements d'Harmonie, roughly translated to "move in harmony" (as long as I didn't succeed in poetry related to the subject "triumph of hope over experience", worded by Sitush), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Still no poetry --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you think of a last line for a haiku "The rest is silence"? No idea for the middle line. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Infuriation mentioned
 * Welcome relief;
 * The rest is silence


 * --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The second line would need seven syllables, the first five with a season, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Question
So given your viewpoint on the term, TERF, how would I respond to the administrator Dreadstar's comment on the talk page saying that he will block anyone who uses it, regardless of the context? For the diff, see here; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests&diff=623935778&oldid=623782646 Tutelary (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Moreover, despite a lot of sound and fury to the contrary, the use of this term arose because it is used in a well-sourced RS reference in a survey which provides valuable content for the Radical Feminism article. Some of those on the Arb Clarification thread seem to misunderstand the context.  SPECIFICO  talk  20:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Given that the term is perceived by at least some people as offensive, it would seem best that it not be used. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * For clarity, are you saying that the term should not be used in article text which describes the groups who use it and the context of such use?  Thanks.  SPECIFICO  talk  01:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if we have an article about the term, it would be hard to write the article without using the term. (We have articles about other slurs, as well as about changes in preferred usage for different groups among other things.) But I am not at all convinced the term is more than marginally notable or that it deserves more than fleeting attention in any context. (For the avoidance of doubt, this is my personal opinion and not in my arbitrator capacity. (In a few months I won't have to write that any more.)) Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet
Come one and come all. To a presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history.
 * Show the Internet who is the better editor.
 * Be the creator of culture that you know you are.
 * Spread the knowledge of noteworthy people who no one but you cares about.
 * Lead the charge to a better Wikipedia --- eventually.

Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:08, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet
See you at the Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street, Laurel, MD on Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM EST. See http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/205494212/ for more information. Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Newyorkbrad, I clicked the button before I finished and had to send a second message. Sorry. Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC invites revolutionaries, free thinkers, and other sundry editors to a DC WikiSalon
The WikiSalon is a special meetup usually held during the first and third full weeks of every month, from 7 PM to 9 PM. It's an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss Wikimedia wikis and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own.

If you're coming by Metro, the closest station is Dupont Circle (on the Red Line). If you're driving, a lot of parking opens up downtown after 6:30 PM, so finding a parking space (even a free one) should be easy. Once you've found the building, go to Cove on the second floor. We will be in the conference room. When: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 at 7:00 PM to 9:00 PM

Where: The Cove, Dupont Circle, 1730 Connecticut Avenue NW, 2nd floor, 20009, DC

For more information, see http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/205500822/

My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC's Wonderful meetups
Wikimedia DC's Upcoming meetups My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 22:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thursday, September 11: “Wikipedia and YOUR History: Taking Control of the Internet, One Article at a Time!”
 * A presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history. Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street in Laurel, MD. 7 PM.
 * Wednesday, September 17: WikiSalon
 * Come for the pizza, stay for the conversation. 7 PM – 9 PM
 * Saturday, September 20: September Meetup
 * Get dinner and drinks with fellow Wikipedians! 6 PM
 * Sunday, September 21: Laurel History Edit-a-Thon
 * Local history for Wikipedia! 10:15 AM – 4 PM
 * Saturday, September 27 – Sunday, September 28: Please RSVP for the Open Government WikiHack at Eventbrite by clicking on the link. The National Archives and Records Administration and Wikimedia DC are teaming up to come up with solutions that help integrate government data into Wikipedia. 10:30 AM – 5 PM each day

Howdy
Dear Newyorkbrad, I'd really appreciate it if you could have a look at Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. Thanks in advance. Drmies (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've commented there, although I don't think I had anything especially cutting-edge to say this time. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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Gender Gap Task Force Issues RFAR
Re: your statement: "And for us arbitrators, the main question presented by the request for arbitration is whether the petty bickering and feuding on the taskforce's talk page will stop soon without our involvement."

Doesn't look like it. If you check the history, the off-topic and disruptive threads archived by SlimVirgin have now been restored by one of the involved parties, and an individual who was just panned in a blog piece at The Other Website has now joined the fray. I have made a longer statement on Worm's talk page with diffs and links. —Neotarf (talk) 23:28, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Continuation of Austrian economics WP:BATTLEGROUND
Hi Newyorkbrad, I'm cross-posting this to your and Floquenbeam's talk pages as both of you were drafting arbitrators of Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian economics. I am concerned that despite the ArbCom case, the dispute between at least two of the key participants has become personal as they continue to clash with one another in other topic spaces. In particular, it appears at least one editor is stalking the other editor's edits. I explain my concerns here. I'm not sure how to proceed since the topic-space is unrelated to Austrian economics, but it's clear that the WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality continues to be a serious problem. I think an interaction ban is probably in order as this doesn't appear to be an isolated incident, but I'm not sure what the correct venue would be. Should I ask for an interaction ban as an Amendment to the ArbCom case? Or at WP:AE? Or at WP:ANI? Or is there some other course of action? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that the dispute you're referencing is on the September 11 attacks article. I have avoided getting involved with that subject-matter on Wikipedia, beyond addressing some extreme BLP violations, for reasons you might glean from the fact that I live and work in Manhattan. If I were to start carefully reviewing the edits on that article and its talkpage, I would start not with Carolmooredc and Specifico, but by topic-banning each and every editor who tries to strew this article and its talkpage with all sorts of crazy bullshit. My apologies, but you will have to take this request elsewhere. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a good kind of anniversary...it's also rather heinous when established editors show up in the week or days preceding the anniversary and spew bullshit.--MONGO 02:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to close the circle on this, I hope... The content I reverted seemed to include undue promotion of statements about evidence redacted for national security reasons and about material tied to undocumented theories about the Saudis. It was perfectly appropriate to revert that recent addition and give reasons for having done so on talk. As a New Yorker whose office for many years was located at WTC, I too am sensitive to the attempts to hijack the article for the promotion of fringe or partisan theories. In the current matter, what was clearly inappropriate was for AQFK to launch into his personal opinions and accusations concerning (my) editor behavior on the article talk page.  He seems to enjoy that role a bit too much, witness his rush to this page, dragging Brad into it as well. Maybe he will think twice next time and express himself in a more appropriate and constructive manner.  SPECIFICO  talk  02:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear that my post above here was in regards to the obnoxious postings by established editors that are promoting conspiracy theories about 9/11...aka bullshit. But in regards to AQFK opening post here, it is obvious that you stalked Carol Moore to that page and this is apparently far from the first time you have followed her to a page. That's blatant harrasment and is a good way to get an indefinite block.--MONGO 02:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I have presented the history of SPECIFICO's wikihounding at this recent ANI and at someone else' Arbitration Request regarding the WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force. Yet another topic that SPECIFICO followed me to and repeatedly harassed me at, as more than one person has noted in those threads. I was trying as much as possible to ignore him, and even some of his many reverts, until he started hassling me at the Gender gap task force. Ironically, one reason I'm so involved is to see if women can somehow help stop harassment and Wikihounding on Wikipedia!! It can set one quite off balance, sometimes in embarrassing ways. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 03:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, NewYorkBrad. I didn't think of it that way.  Anyway, I've raised the issue at AN/I.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Availability note
Holiday weekend&mdash;limited online time and access until Tuesday evening. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:00, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Gotta love the post at 00:00 as the clock struck midnight and Cinderella's slipper fell off. Too funny. Kholmov wins (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hickory Dickory Dock
 * My post ran out the clock
 * The clock struck none,
 * I'm off for fun,
 * But first I've been trolled by a sock.
 * Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Admirable. I thought of a start like:
 * There was an old woman from Sorrow
 * who wanted to dream of tomorrow ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * She slept like a log
 * And dreamt of a frog
 * Who said "I'm the amphibian Zorro" --Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Lovely, but the last line isn't quite in rhythm. A friend died in real life. The irony of Wikipedia: on the German Main page a piece of music that he would have despised. Irony has been mentioned. I tried to rhyme with no moar, no. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about your friend. I assume he despised John Rutter's Magnificat? Never heard of it before- just listened to a bit courtesy of youtube. Very English middle-class! (I wonder if the deficiency in rhyme is caused by differences in accent of "internal voice"? For example I'm could be one syllable or two.)Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Last line should have 8 syllables to match the first. How many syllables "amphibian"? If 4 I get to 10, - middle class ;) - I have a collection of the music my friend liked on my user page, DYK?. He would start "Ach Herr, laß Dein lieb Engelein" strong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Who was the amphibian Zorro? Not Happy-clappy then! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Serious applause. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad, I forgot where to find the story about "no animals in the park". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Mentorship?
Newyorkbrad, I'm putting this question to you because you have been at ArbCom longer than anyone. Are there any examples you can recall where ArbCom has mandated an involuntary mentorship that have resulted in a successful outcome? I'm asking because I'm considering filing a case soon, and there's no point in asking for a remedy that doesn't work. Thanks in advance. Ignocrates (talk) 16:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I shouldn't have put this question to a sitting arb. I'll ask someone else with previous arbitration experience. Thanks anyway. Ignocrates (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Florida Bankruptcy Law
New page patrolling and found this article, figured you would be a better judge. My gut says this is better covered by existing pages on the individual laws, and the inclusion of this article serves to just muddy the waters, provide what is bordering on advice or original research, and seems like it is just a bad idea in general, but I can't quite put my finger on the exact best solution. I figured you would be the ideal reviewer for this. Dennis 2&cent; 18:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There are a few portions of this article that are unique to Florida, such as the homestead exemption, but for the most part bankruptcy law in Florida is the same as bankruptcy law elsewhere in the United States, rendering the idea of having 50+ similar pages a bit redundant. I'm not familiar enough with our bankruptcy coverage to opine either on what the best resolution would be. I can look into it but perhaps you could query first at Wikiproject Law and see if someone there has a suggestion. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)