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Hi, you updated an article on the RV Triton, just an update for you - she's now moored up in the Fal river in Cornwall - by the looks of it she's been there a while!

-->hello Nathaniel. You updated my Wikipedia page: AVM E J STRINGER RAF. Thank you for your accurate editing, everything is correct. There is an omission, however: I was awarded the OBE in the QBHL of 2003. I am not sure how you would verify this but your sources appear to be impeccable!

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 * Yes it is, thankyou. Though I actually blanked that page and redirected it to Crown Honours to clean up the large amount of unnecessary pages. Someone else has reverted my clean-up. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 02:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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I've created a page for Operation Okra. Feel free to contribute. -Keepdry (talk) 08:32, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

FYI (Re: Bars to CSC & DSC)
Heads up. Suggest you have a look at: Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * User_talk:AusTerrapin (and following sub-sections)
 * DSC & Bar (Australia) ribbon Revision history
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Query
Love your post-nom template! How can we remove the underscores though? I remain as ever, yours, etc. (Mr) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC) Esq.
 * Hey. thanks. Do you mean the comma's? It's probably better having them bu tif you wish to remove them, then just take out the 'sep=,' from the template. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 19:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I never really know Wiki technical language, but as you hover over the post noms you can see the page title with_under_scores_like_this. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 19:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * O, I cannot see that coming up on my computer sorry. I'm not too sure how to fix that. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 00:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Post-nominals/CAN
Why does a direct link to Order of Merit violate. If there were different classes and each had a section in the target then I could see linking to that but in this case there isn't. Cheers. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 07:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:POSTNOM wants the full honour to be present when you mouse over the link. Having 'OBE' for example as a post-nom, when you mouse over it, it should read 'Officer of the Order of the British Empire' and not just 'Order of the British Empire'. Though it maybe a template, it still comes under the same user guidelines of just spelling it out i.e. OBE . Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * However, postnom does not state that. It may well be that is the intention but without it specifically stating that there is no way that an editor is going to figure it out. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 12:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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 * I find stage that I am the only one to receive this notice A fluffernutter is a sandwich!. I therefore consider it a rude slap in the face. The other editors involved have reverted my edits repeatedly for breaching various 'rules', though I have accommodated each 'rule' accordingly and as my last edits stands does not cause any 'rule' breaches. I honestly believe there is quite a bit of WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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Deadlink
http://www.cadetnet.gov.au/aac/unitsites/70acu/Resourcearea/Documents/Cadet%20Instructor's%20Handbook%20-%20Customs%20and%20Traditions,%202006.pdf no longer provides access to the Handbook. Do you have / can you find a URL that does? (I haven't been able to - yet.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. It's referenced on List of Australian Army brigadiers and List of Australian Army generals (and possibly other places, too.) Pdfpdf (talk) 10:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah the website was updated again. What specifically did it reference? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Cadet Instructor's Handbook - Customs and Traditions, 2006.pdf Pdfpdf (talk) 13:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * No joy? Pdfpdf (talk) 04:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Afraid not. It does not appear to exist any longer, it may have been retitled or merged with another ABR. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh well. I'm fairly confident that it won't be the cause of the end of like as we know it on Planet Earth. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox military operation
FYI - no action requested or expected. (I just thought you may be interested to be kept "in-the-loop".) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:10, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


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but he is wrong
(Context: revert last two edits, Both AK & AC post-nominals are not used, I know it was in the PM's list but he is wrong.) Oh yes - there are MANY who would agree with you that the mad monk is "wrong", (and not all of them are members of the Labor party ... ). But getting back on topic, Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * His list (showing the dual post-nominal's) is certainly wrong, but in a recent act of his, he did the right thing, though the Queen's Birthday List would have gone down a little better with the bogans. ;) Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:27, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Ummm. Maybe.
 * It's probably best to keep my mouth closed - that way I can't put my foot in it. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * Though I do agree with your decision and I wont be appealing it, I think you'll find the other editor has pretty much ignored it JamesBWatson - See 109.246.133.107. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


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Honours
Hi Nford24 - I see above mention that AK & AC post-nominals are not used, I know it was in the PM's list but he is wrong - problem is that they can be used not that aren't used. Strict difference - likewise with Dr Conn's decorations they are to be worn in precedence of date of award. Please advise - many thanks M Mabelina (talk) 06:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * That is a different matter, that was resolved by a group of top editors. In Australia there is an order of wear issued by the Governor-General (http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/honours/awards/docs/order_of_wearing.pdf). Honours are not worn in order of the date of award at all. Please provide a ref to prove otherwise. Mabelina If I have need it to be revert again, I'll report it to ANI. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:02, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * My point is that it is English Wikipedia (or at least that is what is says on the tin) - so now you are saying that it is Aussie English Wiki - in the UK what I said above is correct - please report it - there seems to be a massive divergence of views here M Mabelina (talk) 07:05, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * English, refers to the language. While Conn is an Australian citizen, his honours will officialy reflect the Australian order of wear. Should he ever decide to change his rack around, that's great for him, but the official order of wear will always be there. WP is about the facts, I have seen your having problems with other editors, about factual information on WP, why don't you realise that this is factual? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes I am having huge problems with other editors which is much to my regret (I almost wish I never got involved) - but having discussed it with an Admin in UK there does seem to be a lot of wrangling inter-Wiki about language & who takes precedence. My sole endeavours have been to introduce facts & now (without asking for it) I have become embroiled in MOS or whatever you call it. M Mabelina (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC) PS. I just want to stick to the facts - since you are an Aussie please provide links to the dates of Dr Conn's awards of the two tenuous decorations.... (Even calling him Dr Conn seems to be out of order in Wiki world)... Await yours M Mabelina (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * & just a quick nod to the great Richie (to lighten the tone): "McGrath is out for two, just 98 short of his century!"


 * btw who are these "top editors" - please advise - many thanks. M Mabelina (talk) 07:24, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have a look through the history of his awards, you'll find I never added those dates, I left them out. I will only add dates, if I can find a reliable reference for the dates of awards, you'll also see that last time I revert your edit, I removed the dates as well. The Australian Defence Medal & Anniversary of National Service 1951–1972 Medal are simple service medals issued by the Department of Defence, because they are not decorations, their award dates are never made public. These medals are awarded through the post. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:32, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * AusTerrapin, Pdfpdf & myself (Though I don't regard myself as a top editor). Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:32, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Blimey - "through the post" - doesn't sound very elevated at all (& perhaps worthy of review by AUS Govt). Anyway, Dr Conn received upon institution these medals so the dates are crystal clear (ie 2001 & 2006).. This MOS is clearly not going to go away (& I don't mean by my interventions - just from what I glean from UK sources) - language phraseology is becoming ever less universal & whilst I love the way Wiki puts most things certain formal and/or historical matters are difficult to translate even from English, well ... to English! M Mabelina (talk) 07:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Conn was eligible for the awards upon their creation, but can you provide a ref that he was awarded them in those years?


 * No unfort I can't all I have seen is him wearing them - I was hoping you could do the tech stuff... M Mabelina (talk) 08:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * This is one of the latest pictures of him from November last year (http://www.kiamaindependent.com.au/story/2676162/jamberoos-emma-blunden-picks-up-st-john-ambulance-gong/). His St John service medal is in the pre-1992 order of wear. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 08:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Good info Nford24 - thanks. So, looks like Dr Conn didn't receive his Anniversary of National Service Medal till after 2009? M Mabelina (talk) 08:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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There was a reason given, It's the second times I've removed that false and misleading content from that page. The "post-nominal" used in the article is made-up and therefore unrecognised in Australia. See Australian Honours System for further information. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 15:55, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , "false and misleading content" - I suggest you read the lead of the article and/or the Awards and achievements section. Post-nominal or honorary titles do not need to be from the country the subject was born in. See Template:Infobox person, Title of honor, Post-nominal letters. Unless you want to be blocked for edit warring (or disruptive editing) again, I suggest you stop doing it. Lapadite (talk) 21:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I suggest you take a look at WP:POSTNOM before reverting it again.Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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Honours & postnoms
Hi Nford24 - firstly let me wish you a very Happy New Year. I listed Sir James Dyson's postnoms for a very specific reason. I am also pleased that you show interest in this matter & hope we can reach accord for Wiki's sake. It is customary but not obligatory for honourees to list a couple of their most prestigious awards, otherwise their names would become unwieldy to say the least! Obviously there is no precedent for Dyson's use accordingly because his OM was only announced in the New Years Honours. I think it is better for Wiki to desist from reinventing language style to fit its self-devised parameters but if you have other thoughts please let me know. Many thanks. Best M Mabelina (talk) 04:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Happy New Years to you too. I understand this, I was a witness to the decision to omit the postnominals of the Duke of Edinburgh & Prince of Wales. Dyson only has four postnominals, which is below average for people with Wikipedia pages. Taking that into consideration, he has the postnomianls 'FRS FREng', I don't see why the 'CBE' (being a higher postnominal) should be excluded for the 'FRS'. If any postnomianls should be excluded (and I don't agree with any being excluded) the FRS should be omited for the CBE. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 11:59, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * well it is a moot point & a matter of personal preference, but since rarely does anyone wish to be known by umpteen letters after their name it is a matter of discretion as how to apply protocol in this regard - I could perhaps create a page or add to one (if such a relevant article already exists)? insofar as I know this matter can cause confusion, and resultant issues, for Wikipedians and it would be good to get it sorted out. Of course, another issue is that protocol differs from country to country, and whilst I can speak with absolute certainty about customary practice in the UK (always deferring to the holder's personal preference of course, so long as not contravening established formal guidelines) I shouldn't wish to venture to set down guidelines for other countries, although I do have some working knowledge about this.


 * I understand that you are also conversant with such matters so the question is how to marry Wiki infoboxes & other like formulaic templates with normal protocol so as to avoid providing opportunities for lazy journalists (or others - but I trust you know what I mean?) to put in print an inadvertently Wiki-created linguistic style, which can then get cited back as "evidence" by future Wiki editors! - in other words thus creating an ever increasing downwards spiral, ie. a departure from what is correct form!!). Times and social customs change of course, but this is why Wiki is far better placed than most to keep up-to-date on such matters - as long as it sets off on the right footing!


 * Now with regard to the moot point of FRS over CBE, you absolutely correct to say that CBE is "higher" than FRS, but then OM accords no precedence either. Generally accepted custom, especially in the case of FRS (& FBA, FRSL, eg.) is to use the "highest" national honour in conjunction with FRS. So put simply, the best national honour with the best Fellowship. I can continue on this further as need be but perhaps you could let me know your further thoughts so far? Much appreciated - best M Mabelina (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC) PS. what is the relevance of PE 121 Personnel Request Form may I ask?


 * Based on that, I'd say you're looking at trying to make a new consensus for change on current Wiki policies? I personally tend to agree with actual fact over convenient fact, so I would be in favour of including all of his postnominals, as opposed to the highest ones (honour & fellowship). The PE121 form is used alot in my line of work, it's used by the Department of Defence in Australia as a personnel request form (for promotions, meeting appointments, qualification's, awards, Leave etc.). The form is printed on green paper & is referred too as a "Green Grenade", I have quite a few cross my desk on a weekly basis.


 * I may not be on Wiki much for the next few days, due to work, so I might not reply for a while on occasion. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 18:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Good to hear back from you Nford24 & all that me and others are requesting from Wiki is clarity of current policy..
 * Should this not be possible, please devise soonest so as to remedy - many thanks. M Mabelina (talk) 05:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC) PS. are you sending a PE121 Form, or was that a side issue?


 * No, They cross my desk as a head of department. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * good - one less complication then! I'm still mightily confused about what Wiki is trying to achieve ref. titles, styles & postnoms. Nobody seems to be prepared to stand up & be counted. Let's put it very simply: if Wiki is intent on not including honorific prefixes as is its wont, then let's rationalise peers accordingly - does this make sense? RSVP. M Mabelina (talk) 07:12, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016
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Nford24
The list is in absolutely no way correct in 2016 and the assertion that it should reflect their term in office is random and unjustified (globally accepted? where?). Calling him "Sir Terry Lewis" merely serves to make Wikipedia look like we're both using sources from when I was in pre-school and on top of that are pretty incompetent at basic research. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As I said, have a look at Chief of the Defence Force (Australia) list, and then get consensus to change everything. What your trying to suggest, is equivalent to arguing that Prince William was Duke of Cambridge from birth or that Sir David Attenborough was a knight from birth. The lists reflect the titles held at the end of their tenur, not those from after or before. Terry Lewis was a Knight Bachelor during his tenure, and he was refered to as 'Sir Terry Lewis'. Your essentially trying to rewrite history by your statement The Drover&#39;s Wife. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to rewrite history, I'm trying to state definitive fact. Terry Lewis is not correctly addressed as "Sir Terry Lewis", and hasn't been since I was very small. Therefore, in what is just a list of people to have held a role, he should not be addressed as something that it is not currently correct to address him is. The David Attenborough or Prince William arguments don't make sense because they are those things now, and it is correct to refer to them as those things now, whereas it is manifestly not here.


 * You didn't have a consensus to define the list in that way to begin with. You're welcome to get one, but in the meantime Wikipedia needs to stick with what is verifiable fact. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:36, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

You keep referring me to Chief of the Defence Force, when this is irrelevant because no Chief of the Defence force has been stripped of their honours, and so no longer possesses the titles Wikipedia claims they have. Each of the listings that page is completely and verifiably true. You want to add something that is completely and verifiably false. That is not an argument in your favour. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 02:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Did you really think you were going to get away with adding hoax info to articles if you just waited two weeks before revert-warring again? Nice try. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As another editor has already pointed out, the onus is on YOU to get consensus. Find another editor to agree with you, and keep the conversation on the QPS talk page. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:10, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Brisbane meetup
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Bolton's rank
The cited source of the Australian War Memorial reports Bolton served to 1918 at the rank of Lt Col.

Conversely, the Biographical Dictionary of the Australian Senate (Online edition) refers to Bolton retiring in 1920 at the rank honorary brigadier general after commanding Ballarat Training Depot. The Australian Senate dictionary refers to several creditable sources. The Australian War Memorial cite does not.

So which rank was he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AusMilitaryHistory (talk • contribs) 04:07, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * AusMilitaryHistory, I found a few more sources that support him being an honorary brigadier general, so I'm fine for it to say so in WP too. I did contact the AWM, apparently they rarely show honorary promotions on their records. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 01:19, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017
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By the way ...
Happy New Year! Pdfpdf (talk) 07:21, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pdfpdf! And Merry Christmas and Welcome back to popping into my watchlist! Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 10:15, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Perplexed ...
At a philosophical level, I'm interested by your edit. This posting is more a comment on the whole page in general, not just the section in particular. (And certainly is NO reflection on, or comment about, you or your edit.) I'm just asking you for your opinion. (Because I can't think of anyone else to ask ... )

Why add the OAMs to wikipedia?

i.e. It's an awful lot of work, and what does it achieve? All of the information is in a file on gg.gov.au, and almost none of the people in the OAM list are notable, so almost none of the additions are blue links. Perhaps I should start this on the talk page, but before I did that, I thought I'd sound you out for your pov first. Thanks for indulging me. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Pdfpdf, sorry I didn't respond sooner, I've been otherwise occupied for the last few days. I was mainly looking at just adding the military OAM's and any notable civil OAM's. I know of a few notable recipients from the southern QLD area (but none off the top of my head - with the exception of a very long standing new reporter from channel 7 from brisbane). I honestly have no issue if it's decided not to include the OAM's in this list and future lists, I know It's a massive task, and usually has me online for a while just doing some of the other smaller award's. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 22:23, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not advocating - just asking. Nor am I suggesting you change your plans. I was just wondering about the benefit gained vs the effort expended. As I have don't have the time (or interest) to do it, I guess I won't make any further comments or questions. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017
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Question
Another question for you because I can't think of who else to ask! In recent Australian Honours articles, (e.g. 2017 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia)), I notice the ribbons are captioned "XXX undress ribbon". I hadn't heard the term before. I assume the "dress ribbon" is the full length ribbon with a medal hanging from it? Pdfpdf (talk) 06:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually your guess is a good a mine. I assumed it might be a RAAF term. I've always heard of it being called a 'ribbon bar' unless the medal is attached, then it is just called a 'ribbon'. It was added last year I think by another editor to previous honours articles. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When I'm in the mood, I'll look through the edit history and then ask the editor in question. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:00, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * (P.S. I, too, have always heard of it being called a 'ribbon bar' unless the medal is attached. Pdfpdf (talk) 08:02, 12 June 2017 (UTC))

Boreen and Boreen Point
Mostly localities surrounding a town take the name of the town, but there are exceptions including Boreen and Boreen Point. Generally I just redirect the town article to the locality article and do a combined article noting that the name of the town and the locality are different. Is that OK with you? Kerry (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Kerry I live just down the road from Boreen Point, and have been there many times. The CBD is by the lake on a single road. The township of 'Boreen' simply doesn't exist. I ran as a Noosa Shire councillor candidate in the last election. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 14:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, this is the town map of Boreen according to the Queensland Government, which seems to be to be alive and well judging from Google Maps. I don't think we are disagreeing on what's actually there. It's just a question of official naming and common usage. Officially, the headland that juts into the lake is called Boreen Point, the cluster of streets and buildings near that point is the town of Boreen (as per the map), which sits within the locality of Boreen Point which includes the town and the surrounding bushland. But it would not surprise me that everyone just uses the name "Boreen Point" for all of it. The name Boreen is older; you can see the government selling town lots there in 1919. I am guessing that probably what caused people to switch to the name Boreen Point was a subdivision of land that was auctioned in 1933 and called Boreen Point Estate (see top of column 3). The gazettal of a town just means that this is the centre of a distinct urban area, which basically means as little as cluster of houses around a few shops, so the development near the headland meets that definition. I think a redirect to the locality article with a mention that the town is officially gazetted as Boreen but that common usage is Boreen Point would sum up the situation pretty accurately. Kerry (talk) 22:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Jeffery
add St John medal as per his uniform at the Museum of Democracy (Old Parliament House, Canberra). No big deal, but adding a link for that would be useful ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:33, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Australian post-nominals
Kindly stop reverting me on the post-nom list for Australia. Australia is not a fascist state and Australia citizens are entitled to use post-nominals they earn even if outside the government honors system. OLY is sanctioned in Australia via the Australian Olympic Committee via the IOC. The Wikipedia templates for post-noms are intended to be broad; the template and the Australian Governor-General/GPMC list of post-nominals are two separate things. —Мандичка YO 😜 06:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You still need to provide references for the AOC sanction, otherwise it's classed as a foreign honour. You're correct that Australia isn't a fascist state, but you're the one that as to prove it's use in Australia. In Australia post-nominals are put in order as the DPMC (Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet) have authorised them. 1) National Honours 2) Legal office's 3) Academic Qualifications 4) Fellowships 5) Membership within Academic bodies 6) Parliamentary then defence designations. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:50, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Brisbane meetup - Sunday 10 December 2017 at The Edge, State Library of Queensland
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Talk:Order_of_Australia
I think I'm in the process of being slaughtered. Web image searches only seem to return pictures that match the .svg files. Any helpful ammunition could be useful ... Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
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The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017
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User group for Military Historians
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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018
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Australian Corrections Medal moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Australian Corrections Medal, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It also has an empty section and appears unfinished. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the confirms on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. Kb.au (talk) 15:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Why Kb.au? There are a number of editors that will want to add to the article now that the medal has been made public. I assume they can also edit this 'draft'? Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 17:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Given the lack of any sources and the empty section it seemed the article wasn't ready for article space. If references are provided I will be more than happy to move it back. And yes, any editor is free to edit the draft and request an AFC reviewer move it to article space. Kb.au (talk) 17:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Kb.au It has two references, which is more than most of the other Australian medal articles. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 00:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive
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The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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Tim Macartney-Snape OAM AM issue
You are quite correct that AMs supersede OAMs-- I did not know that but having spoken with the Governor General's department, your comments on your edit are quite right, so my apologies for the little back and forth we had there. Press2014 (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe?
Maybe you want to put a tag on it before someone else either copies it to commons or nominates it for deletion? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * (Reference: template:db-author - if you need it ... )
 * Cheers Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 07:04, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Question
As you're the only Navy expert I know, I thought I'd ask you. I was looking at Royal Australian Navy and thought "They don't really have 'Australia' at the bottom of their sleeves, do they?" Pdfpdf (talk) 08:10, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No, on ceremonial uniforms, an 'Australia' tab is worn at the top of the sleeve on the shoulder. The images on that page are the officers' SRI's (Soft Rank Insignia) worn on all working uniforms and some ceremonial uniforms, the hardboards (the gold ones) are only worn on ceremonial uniforms (S1,S2,S3,S6). I hope that explains it. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 23:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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Your reversion of my Wikipedia Page
Hi Nford24,

I'm puzzled by your reversion of my Wikipedia site, which you based on "copyright issues from Wheeler Books and many others". I'm the author of these novels, and I own the copyright. I would be grateful if you can provide an explanation as to why you believe I've breached my own copyright? Best wishes, Adrian d'Hagé — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adhage01 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Adhage01, I think you'll find you'll need to talk to User:Sphilbrick. My last edit on that page was on 2 December 2017. Although now it's been brought to my attention, I can see a few Manual of Style/Biographies issues. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 00:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sure it seems like an obvious mistake, but it turns out not to be.


 * Because Wikipedia does not require identification to create a username, there is no guarantee you the editor are the same person as the author of the books. Now that you've declare that you are the same person is the author I have to point you to our guideline: Autobiography, Which highly discourage his edits by the subject of an article. While there are some exceptions to this guideline, your edits are not one of those exceptions.


 * The second issue is even if we can confirm that you are the owner of the copyright, it is not uncommon for copyright holders to be surprised at the licensing requirements. Many people have attempted to use her own words and wish to permit usage restricted to Wikipedia. This is not possible and words licensed for use in Wikipedia can be used by anyone anywhere for any purpose as long as they provide attribution. I dealt with many situations where copyright holder was initially interested and allowing their words to be used but upon understanding the requirements, decided did not wish to pursue the licensing.


 * A third issue is not directly related to the copyright issue — we want the text in Wikipedia articles to be neutral and using words written by the subject is decidedly not neutral. As Nford24 has pointed out, your edits have introduced other violations of our policies. Given the not yet settled copyright issue, the editing in violation of our autobiography guideline and other violations of guidelines, I'm reverting the article back to an earlier version. You are welcome to look into providing a license for your words but I do not recommend this option.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  13:15, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Nford24, as you can see, I decided to revert to the version just after my removal of the material with a copyright issue. While proof by the editor of their identity, along with an explicit licensing of the material would resolve the copyright issue, it would not address the neutrality problem. I bringing this to your attention because you made edit after the removal and reversion, so if your edits were an improvement to the article you might have to reapply them.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  13:20, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Rollback granted
Hi Nford24. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have&#32;temporarily [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ANford24 enabled] rollback on your account&#32;until. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Beeblebrox (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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Andrew Lloyd Webber
I'm afraid I'm at a loss why you keep deleting Andrew Lloyd Webber's Kt post-nominal. You cite Knight Bachelor but the example given supports its use with Lloyd Webber, i.e. he is a Knight Bachelor as well as a peer. As a Knight Bachelor he would normally be titled 'Sir' but since that is obscured by his subsequent peerage the correct style would be adopt the post-nominal Kt. Phinn (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Phinn Being knighted a Knight Bachelor grants the usual 'sir' but has no post-nominal, since there is no post-nominal, there can't be one behind the name of a recipient. 'Kt' is short hand for 'Knight', which is placed after the name in updates of the London/Edinburgh Gazette. In the case of Lloyd-Webber, he was only knighted five years before receiving a peerage, so there is sufficient argument that he wasn't commonly known as Sir Andrew. But his knighthood can be mentioned in the lead if you wish, however it's already mentioned in the styles section which is sufficient. Of Knight Bachelor, neither of the examples use the 'Kt' in their articles either. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 08:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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I guess I am your flavor of the week?
What is it that you are attempting to set up here? Something in retaliation for saying that the issue about the honours lists are confusing? I guess you will be following me for a while? If you found anything wrong with the industrialist article all you had to do was revert and go on your way following an explanation. Will you be my official WP actions' checker? That is not a hostile statement but just wondering just what is it that you are up to?2605:E000:9149:A600:34D8:EC05:8EC2:B095 (talk) 08:20, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Or are you upset that there continues to be a question about Geoffrey Pattie article?2605:E000:9149:A600:34D8:EC05:8EC2:B095 (talk) 08:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Your disruptive editing has come across by scope, yes. Your editing content with obviously little knowledge of the subject matter, which doesn't generally matter, but editing like you are en-masse will have you come up on a number of editors scopes.
 * being knighted as a knight bachelor doesn't make the recipient a member of any other order (aka. the 'which distinction' you keep putting on articles). The award of Knight Bachelor is what would be referred to as a single grade award. I'd again suggest you check out Teahouse to learn about editing Wikipedia. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 08:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It has to be by mere logic more than just by scope. Just how many edits arr there that are being scoped? Using all your own time as if on a personal quest? Leave some of the scoping to other editors unless there is some behind the scenes system that WP has for letting others know about other editors?2605:E000:9149:A600:34D8:EC05:8EC2:B095 (talk) 08:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * WP does actually have that. If you sign up and learn about WP at Tea house you'll learn all about it. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 09:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, so you advocate that I not follow what is endorsed by WP and remain using my IP address as my identifier in order to use the Tea House? Sorry to tell you but it is not necessary for one to "sign up" which i assume is your saying to "register" a user name in order to use the tea house where if you ask a question about some portion of the minutia of WP they at least tell you it can be found there in the minutia and sometimes provide a link? Is that correct? At least that has been my understanding having edited since WP started years ago?2605:E000:9149:A600:34D8:EC05:8EC2:B095 (talk) 09:31, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


 * With this attitude you're going to get yourself blocked from editing Wikipedia. I have also advised you three times now to register. If you've been editing WP since it started than you'd understand why you're being disruptive with your editing. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 10:16, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have just listed a question on the tea house about the appropriateness of your statement. You have overstepped the bounds of community spirit. It does not matter what i know about WP especially when it comes to people who think they can bully themselves through life. This is not the place for it. Your bullying is not going to improve my editing. That is not a hostile statement unless that is how you in your mind set can only perceive someone who has just called your actions out. Now you may have the support of other WP editors that also feel threatened by this statement but again, that is not the WP way of community spirit and threatening people in this manner, and yes it is threatening people in whatever subtle way you might want to somehow avoid characterising it as such, but it is a threat. This is not your personal WIKIPEDIA. And i will not allow you to treat it as such. It is unfortunate that i have to take this action but what other form of address is their when you want to use some sort of perverted power to bully people.

Ivison Macadam edit
Dear Nford24,

Under Ivison Macadam's Honours and Decorations your edit is surely not quite correct now as is to leave only in brackets (Knight Bachelor). You are correct to have removed the KB as there is no post nominal for a Knight Bachelor (just the prefix of Sir). I had put Knighted and (Knight Bachelor) 1955 would follow. You would need to put Knighted or Knight before it for clarity. You could also just put instead Knight Bachelor but that is not the usual form in an elevation to knighthood that is used in publications or the media and the general reader will not know what it refers to. For instance Who's Who uses Kt !955 (Kt being their abbreviation for Knight) but for an encylopedia entry it is in my view better to clarify as simply as possible and if you prefer Knight it would be equally correct followed by (Knight Bahcelor) 1955.

Your Gazette entry as a footnote is a good addition. I appreciate you researching this. Well done. Note it was the Queen's Birthday Honours 1955 - not New Years as you originally had further up in the King's College section. As you will realise the reversion there from your edit was to the actual text of King's Delegacy minutes which was/is in blockquote and I believe, in this case but am not positive, was written by General Sir John Hackett, who was then Principal of King's.

I could change to Knight before the brackets if you wish but you may wish to do so yourself as you have corrected your entry somewhat already and I would be glad to have you do so as it is orphaned at the moment.

Many thanks. William Macadam (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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Peter Dutton
Per the Department of Home Affairs (Australia), it is a successor to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection of which Peter Dutton was the minister, as reliable sources also say. Onetwothreeip (talk) 05:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Onetwothreeip, The Department of Home Affairs (Australia) was reestablished, but the position of Minister for Home Affairs (Australia) has almost always existed. Dutton is the 32nd person to hold such ministry. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 05:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The post-2017 department is a successor of the immigration portfolio, not a revival of the historic department. This is what all our Wikipedia articles say. A department by the name of Home Affairs also has existed only less than half of the Commonwealth's history. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The section links to Minister for Home Affairs (Australia), which shows a pretty clear timeline of 'minister's of home affairs', the last being in 2013. In the table on that article, he's listed as the 32nd holder. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 06:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't number them on the articles of the ministers. This article clearly shows there was no such minister from 1932 to 1977, 1984 to 2007 (except for one year), and 2013 to 2017. Onetwothreeip (talk) 06:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Australian royal honours
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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