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Curtze DYK
Thanks for letting me know. I was on my way back to Erie when I found out. I'm quite excited. Thanks for the suggestion to try DYK. I'll have to try it again sometime. --Pat (talk) 07:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Erie Gladiators
I wedged in the Erie origins of American Gladiators (1989 TV series) into the article. I think it ought to stick, but will doubtless be revised a few times. The wrestlers have been wrestling with the article since the 2008 version of the show came on the air recently. It was a difficult time to discuss its Erie origins in 1983. --Pat (talk) 05:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hearts Content
Hearts Content, Pennsylvania is definetly wrong. That seems to imply that it is a townsip, borough or city. I would go with the Fed name. They have jurisdiction over it. Correct? Dincher (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good change. Thanks for making it. Pennsylvania is short on apostrhophes. See Worlds End State Park. The lack of one of these (') was a question on the talk page that took some explaining. Dincher (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. The USGS GNIS has it as "Hearts Conent Recreation Site" with "Hearts Content Recreation Area" as one of three alternate names . The USGS topo maps have it as Hearts Content Recreation Area . I think I would leave it where it is since the Forest service uses that. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * PS Pennsylvania also has Larrys Creek and Plunketts Creek lacking apostrophes. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea, redirects are especially useful in cases like this Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You should be able to get a free image at the Fed website. I could add it later in the week, but not anytime soon. Dincher (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. None were too impressive. Sounds like a wikitrip for somebody that lives in the area. (Not me) Dincher (talk) 01:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter, Issue 1
The new volume of Wikipedia:US Roads' newsletter is out here.Mitch32contribs 20:34, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad
Do you think I should add a WikiProject Erie flag to my new article on Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad? Feel free to add an info box and edit the article as you see fit. The story was on the front page of the City and Region section of the ETN on Sunday. We did decide to include outlying counties, so Meadville seems to fit the parameters. But you've got a better eye for such things. --Pat (talk) 05:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Good idea. I'm working on a Congressmen of Erie page, in chronological order, showing districts with Congressmen as bullets below. I'm using the 1884 History of Erie Co as a guide. What a twisted history! The format will surely need some work. Thought I'd throw something up there. I'll link it to the Erie page. Sound ok? --Pat (talk) 03:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Gender Neutral
Do you have any thoughts on whether I need to go gender neutral on the List of Congressmen who have represented Erie, Pennsylvania piece I posted recently? It dawns on me that there is a trend towards using Member of Congress instead. I think mine might be the first such article of this sort, so I'd hate to start a trend with a boorish title at the top. If it needs to be changed, could you explain how it's done or point to a Wiki page that explains the process? If it can't wait a couple of days, feel free to make the change yourself but I'd still be interested in knowing how to do it in the future. Thanks, as always, for your counsel. --Pat (talk) 03:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Wilson belongs to Erie. I have a published list through 1885. The districts have moved about quite a bit over the years. Check out John Gloninger, who in 1813 represented Pennsylvania's 3rd congressional district, which includes Erie today but included Dauphin County on the other side of the state at the time. I'll take a look at the Vermont page. Thanks for pointing it out. --Pat (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The Vermont page contains all of the state's members of both the US Congress and Senate, thus the representatives title. I don't believe it wouldn't work at the city level. I'm inclined to use members of Congress instead. You did some nice work on the WNYP page, btw. --Pat (talk) 12:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom

 * Nice job! --Pat (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Edits on Erie
About the messages you sent me. The person who is reverting the editing is editing them to almost false information. Whoever it is continues to label the Royal Navy vessels as "Ships", instead of their proper designations of "sloops" and "corvette". Therefore, block the other guy not me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.237.200 (talk • contribs) 18:58, February 10 2008(UTC)

PASH discussion
See here. --Son (talk) 16:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Prescott Metcalf
Actually, I dropped by Blasco Library the other day and photocopied a dozen pages from Carney's Highlights of Erie Politics. Written in 1960. It has a bio section, so I glommed the mayors' bios and a few others. --Pat (talk) 00:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I picked up bios on Charles M Reed, Charlie R. Barber, Michael Liebel, Jr, James P. Rossiter, Arthur Gardner, and George J. Brabender, all former mayors, as well as Robert F. Devine, who ran for mayor, Milton W. Shreve, eight-time Member of Congress, as well as prominent locals John A. Zurn, Thomas W. Barber, and John J. Barber. Lots more in the book. The book was self-published and didn't have an ISBN that I noticed. Blasco has a couple of biographical histories of Erie which contain hundreds of local biographies. Such were common in the 1880s. --Pat (talk) 06:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 2
A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. --O bot  (t • c) 03:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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POTD notification


Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Brig Niagara 1913 edit.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on February 27, 2008. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2008-02-27.  howcheng  {chat} 17:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on POTD!--Pat (talk) 07:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

US Route 20 in PA; PA Rte 8
In case you are ever inspired to do so, you could model a Pennsylvania version of U.S. Route 20 in New York. Note that the New York version's link appears on the US Rte 20 main article as a Seealso. The two advantages to having a PA article would be 1) it could be listed as an Erie WP article, and 2) it would include a comprehensive exit list.

Did you notice that the exit list on Pennsylvania Route 8 has been labeled as in need of fixing? The article was rated tonight and that comment was added. I studied the guidelines on exit lists for about twenty minutes and got a headache. And when I went to the article itself, I found that the format for the exit list is not standard at all but some sort of macro. I presume that the editor is concerned that the "Destinations" column title has been replaced with something like "List of exchanges". That can't be changed by a simple edit, apparently. The guidelines also say there are not to be any background colors in the chart. The concurrencies, which are endless on Rte 8, are marked in light blue. The whole thing is a bit beyond my grasp, I'm afraid. Thought I would share my frustration with you at 3 am.--Pat (talk) 08:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Bebko-Jones
I hadn't realized that DYK had a controversy threshold. But seriously, thanks for nominating it. Unfortunately PA State Reps always manage to do something controversial. If you are still trying to find something interesting John Pippy is an article I had to save from the copyvio dustbin. This is a guy who announced his candidacy for state senate, got called up to Iraq and won the seat even though military rules barred him from campaigning for himself. Montco (talk) 05:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to second that thanks for the DYK nomination. Only like 3 of us work on the politicial articles in PA, so it is nice to have someone (even just 1 person) notice it.--RedShiftPA (talk) 05:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Drake Well Museum
I did a major edit of Drake Well Museum today. Mentioned in the Erie Times News that it is getting $6 million for renovations in anticipation of 150th anniversary of the oil industry. Do you think we want it for WP Erie? It's in northwestern Venango Co. --Pat (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Lancaster seal
Someone's done a version of the Lancaster county coat on the graphics lab. Thanx. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 03:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the request you filed at the graphics lab (The one about the Lancaster logo) completed? If so, could you mark it as resolved ? Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 12:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Vicki Van Meter interwiki language code
Thanks for pointing out why you had to revert. Apparently, German-language web sites lowercase the Van. The German interwiki was obsolete, I fixed it. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  21:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 3
A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. --О бот  (т • ц) 21:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Arms
According to WP:CITE, you do not change citation formats. I'm sorry you put that effort into the article. Gimmetrow 22:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Since Christmastime I have been slogging through the counties of Pennsylvania and adding infoboxes to the municipalities. I noticed that you have also added some, namely to Crawford County and Erie County. Do you plan on completing Crawford and moving onto the other northwestern counties? If you are I will leave them alone. If not I will get to them eventually. Thanks. Dincher (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no preference as to the type of infoboxes. The counties in the eastern part of the state have the geobox too. I will leave Crawford and Warren to you. I am working on Clarion County now. Dincher (talk) 18:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting Warren. FYI. Black Moshannon State Park is up for FAC. Dincher (talk) 02:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you interested in tackling Mercer and Lawrence Counties? Dincher (talk) 02:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting Fulton. Yeah the county is pretty much just ridges and valleys. Dincher (talk) 19:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting Mercer. I've been busy working on Beaver County, there are a ton of places there. I don't even want to think about Allegheny County. Dincher (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting Lawrence County. If your interested in doing more let me know and we can divide the rest to avoid bumping into each other. I am working on Bedford County now. Dincher (talk) 00:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of asking the Pittsburgh folks for help. Good idea. Would you like to start out west and work your way east and I'll work on the central part. I think most of the east is already done. We'll keep each other posted at the Woodchuck. Sound like a plan? Dincher (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Score one for standardized measurement
I notice you inserted the template {convert|?|ft|m}} into a page I created. Somehow, I never came across this before, and have been googling "ft to m" like a chump. Thanks for inadvertently making my life a lot easier. Fullobeans (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request
Would you mind looking at the peer review for Black Moshannon State Park? User:Dincher is the main author and I have made some major contributions too. We are about ready for FAC, but have been trying to get one or two more reviews. We had a possibly familair model article on another Pennsylvania state park ;-). If you can't, no problem or worries, but if you can that would be great. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thnaks so much for agreeing to look at it and take your time, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Black Mo thanks

 * We looked at the Presque Isle FAC to make sure we tried to address all the issues raised there before the Black Mo FAC, which may be why it went faster. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Worlds End State Park, which is already GA, is next on the list. I am also going to work on Cogan House Covered Bridge. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The eventual goal is to get all 21 parks on the "Twenty Must See" PA state parks list to at least GA. Do you know about the online NRHP information for PA at http://www.arch.state.pa.us? The form for Gudgeonville is here, although it is sparse on detail. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer - I have been to Pymatuming years ago, but not yet to Oil Creek. There are two guides to PA covered bridges - one with black and white photos, one with color photos. At least one is from PHMC. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The color photos book is "Pennsylvania's covered bridges : a complete guide" by June and Benjamin Evans from 2001, there is also the PHMC's "The covered bridges of Pennsylvania : a guide" by Susan M. Zacher, 2nd ed. is 1994, also 1st ed. is 1986 with black and white photos. Zacher wrote the NRHP info for the Bradford, Lycoming, and Sullivan County covered bridges. You can also email the NRHP for the original of the nomination form - they send it to you free. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Kinzua Bridge State Park is on the 20 Must See List. I know USer:IvoShandor was there and got some nice pictures before the bridge collapsed - I think most of them are on Commons. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)