User talk:Niagara/Archive 7

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My userpage
Do you know, I've had many instances of vandalism to my userpage that were reverted by someone else, but this is the first time that anyone has thought to update the vandalism counter :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Peer Review Request
Hi, I saw your name on Peer review/volunteers and thought you may be intrested in Peer Reviewing an article I put up for it awhile ago. the article is Sacred Cod of Massachusetts and since it appears you have intrest in landmarks this may be an article you would like to read. I would appreciate any suggestions you may have to make it a better article, but if you can not review it I completly understand. Thanks in advance for anything you might be able to do!--Found5dollar (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I cant wait!--Found5dollar (talk) 14:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the peer review. Anything you would like to fix on the page please feel free to use bold strokes with your pen on. If you want to leave the links to the NYT writings on my talk or the pages talkt that can work. If you want to e-mail them my e-mail is dandalydesign@gmail.com. Thanks Again!--Found5dollar (talk) 23:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

That is fine.--Found5dollar (talk) 00:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Townships
Thanks for updating the Erie county townships and for the tip on naming the townships in the road articles. Dincher (talk) 11:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have fun out in the boonies! Dincher (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting started on some of the 'A' townships. I find that it's much easier to change them one county at a time instead of trying to get through the A's, then B's, etc. Dincher (talk) 01:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Have a wonderful day. Dincher (talk) 10:47, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Flickr
You helped with my recent Flickr upload picture help request, so I thought I'd ask you for more help...I just found this great picture of an NRHP-listed park in Massachusetts, but it's all-rights reserved. I want to contact the uploader to ask for a free license, but I can't find any way to contact the creator. If you have a Flickr account, could you contact the uploader? Nyttend (talk) 14:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I know nothing about the site (although I allowed someone I know to upload a group of my pictures), so I didn't have any idea to look as you did.  I've sent a request-for-permission email.  Nyttend (talk) 21:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, permission was happily granted. I'm trying to cobble together a really short French article on the town (which is hard since I don't speak French :-) so that I can use the picture for more than just en:wp.  Nyttend (talk) 02:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

John Stewart Houses (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
Am i notifying u of PA NRHP pages created to settle dabs? John Stewart Houses (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) is one. Actually, i thot i said everything there is to say about 'em but you can give it another try if u like :) doncram (talk) 06:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Also now Cold Spring Farm (Todd, Pennsylvania), to support Cold Spring Farm dab page.doncram (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Two odd and unrelated questions
Hi DT, I have two odd and unrelated questions for you. The first is, do you know of a reliable source for the identity Native American population in northwest Pennsylvania before the Iroquois took over (this is more the Allegheny River basin, not the coast with the Eries)? The books I have disagree - some mention the "Black Minquas" others the Eries or the Monongehalas (sp?). Anyway this will be an issue for Kinzua Bridge and Oil Creek State Parks (and others) so I thought I would ask. My understanding is that the problem is that the area was so remote that there are next to no written records prior to the Iroquois wiping out the Eries and Susquehannocks and whover else was there.

The second question is just an odd software glitch - comments on Talk:Robert Falcon Scott are showing up in the edit summary and you can see them when you edit, but they don't appear in the regular view. It seems nothing since June 8th is showing up, AND if you look at the edit window signatures are still four of these ~ so something odd is going on. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that - it is an ongoing dispute of sorts, and I am not overly fond of rereading it that carefully (or at all). The Eries seem a logical choice - it is not urgent, but thanks for looking, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP in PA
Thanks for fixing the final two lines of the table at List of RHPs in PA. When you get a chance, could you add this to other states' tables as well? I don't know enough about coding to know whether I can just copy/paste the information or not. Nyttend (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And thanks for fixing the others also :-) Nyttend (talk) 00:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Chester County
Since the page is so large, do you think we should try to split out any municipalities? West Whiteland Township has 46 (I think) listings, so it would likely be the best candidate for a split. Nyttend (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's 1/6 of the total, after all; surely it would help a bit? Nyttend (talk) 17:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nyttend asked me to weigh in - would the township be a separate table in the larger article, or would it be its own article? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I am OK with it - the problem I see is that West Whiteland Twp seems a fairly arbitrary division. I looked at the county map and was wondering if it would make sense to divide the county into north and south parts? Or boroughs and cities vs twps? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at File:Map of Chester County Pennsylvania With Municipal and Township Labels.png I was thinking of a line with Atglen, West Sadsbury Twp, Parkesburg, Sadsbury Twp, East Fallowfield Twp, Newlin Twp, Pocopson Twp, and Birmingham Twp and places north. How does this seem? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like a good division line to me. Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:MPS
Do you ever work with Multiple Property Submissions? I've just created a new directory page, WP:MPS, where these can be listed and more information filled in. If you want to edit there, please consider the second paragraph of the text at top. Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

P.O. renames
Hey, first i noticed you're making great progress, if u haven't in fact completed it, with the Philly reorganization. The two parts i looked at look really good, with the included maps and all.

I noticed a bunch of PO article renames, such as from NRIS-based name "U.S. Post Office-Beverly Main" to "U.S. Post Office (Beverly, Massachusetts)". I'm not really enamored of such changes, for one thing in part because it causes need to update the U.S. Post Office disambiguation page that lists them all at their NRIS-based names. If you are moving an already-created NRHP article to a new name, then at least there is a redirect left behind, and the disambiguation page, if not updated to comply with MOSDAB requirements (show actual article name not something hidden by pipelink or redirect), still gets a reader to the desired article. If you are just changing names in a PA or other NRHP-list article, then it disconnects from the disambiguation page entirely. And i am not sure on the justification for the rename. The old name was in fact a name supported by a source, the National Register NRIS name. So, I wonder if you could discuss, including about how the disambiguation pages would be updated.

Hey, also noticed an Indiana total being posted! Yay. doncram (talk) 04:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I would not be opposed to having a general decision taken about what wikipedia shall name post office articles, and would accept a general decision to be that it should use "U.S. Post Office (City, State)", despite absence of specific evidence on what is the common name, as a common-sense type exception for post offices that would over-ride NRIS-based names. (Although I have interpreted names like "U.S. Post Office-Beverly Main" as meaning that is in fact the precise name used by the post office people and others who want to distinguish it from, presumably, some other post office in Beverly.  When i have checked in other cases, this kind of name is exactly what appears in the NRHP application title.  For names like "US Post Office-Stuttgart", it does look like the NRHP nominator's equivalent of our adding (City, State) disambiguation to a name, I agree.)  All the related cases of "U.S. Post Office and Custom House" or "U.S. Post Office and Courthouse", etc. should also be addressed i suppose.  Then i don't know if a bot could help in the related cleanup or not, but it would also not be too much work for a cleanup campaign to address all the post office names in the disambiguation page and in all the list-articles, and in existing articles for individual post offices.  Do you want to propose that?  Notice could be posted wherever article naming convention guidelines are usually discussed. doncram (talk) 15:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Philadelphia
Congrats on finishing the district lists! Do I understand rightly that there's a new listing for Philadelphia recently? I keep track of new listings, but as (1) I don't watch the district lists, (2) you didn't add anything to the alphabetical lists, and (3) you changed the statewide totals, I wasn't sure whether this were a new listing or an error in previous versions of the district lists. Nyttend (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Errors? Who's talking about errors?  I wasn't :-)  Thanks.  Nyttend (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, now I am...West Philadelphia had two links to the Institute of the Pennsylvania Hospital, on lines 7 and 27. I removed line 7 and renumbered accordingly.  Is there any chance that there's a site that belonged there but was omitted?  Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you add neighborhoods for four sites: the Pennsylvania Institute for the Deaf and Dumb (NW) and the Arch Street Opera House, the Thaddeus Kosciuszko National Memorial, and St. Mark's Episcopal Church (CC)? Somehow these were omitted from the district lists, so you weren't able to add anything in the neighborhood column.  Nyttend (talk) 04:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

sub rosa
Hey, I've recently manually table-ized List of RHPs in PR with some help from others at the end, and found it quite hard to do a non-state (where Elkman tables are not available AFAIK). So I appreciate your having table-ized National Register of Historic Places listings in American Samoa, the Marianas, and others a lot more now. You did good work! :)

Hey i am still hopeful about pulling off a 4th of July date for getting the NRHP lists all table-ized, despite faint interest expressed for a public campaign at wt:NRHP. But maybe there is personpower for a secret campaign. Could you possibly take on finishing some of the remaining non-state ones (Guam, etc.) at List of RHPs? I can't tell u who else is in, but i could update you on how likely it is to work based on what i hear back from others though. doncram (talk) 02:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, it looks very feasible, the (secret) campaign is ON. (Shhh) It would be great if you could do those miscellaneous ones as a United States Minor Outlying Islands collection.  That's a CDP, right?  Corresponds well to population-based counties and in Puerto Rico municipalities that NRHPs are organized into elsewhere.  Please do go ahead and rearrange how they are mentioned at List of RHPs, and at new close-out tracking started up by Lvklock -(I can't say) at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressNRHPlistsByState.  Put a comment note there on ones you are doing, perhaps?  I tried to mark the ones there that i knew you did.  Doing Puerto Rico, which had 289 NRHPs in the end after identifying that the NPS NRHP site was missing 8 new ones, was really a long grind, it's not a small matter to do these non-state ones.  Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, how did u add coords for Guam? Same needs to be done for Virgin Islands unless u got to it already.  The only way i knew how to do it for all of Puerto Rico was to look up each one in Elkman individual infobox.  Elkman table generator would not work for non-states.  And, coords not visible at any NPS website, AFAIK.  You're working so fast u must have some other way.  Please tell! doncram (talk) 00:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing the end-of-sortable-table fix at National Register of Historic Places listings in Puerto Rico and elsewhere. I wonder about the formatting in that, do the duplicates have to be bolded?  I would rather not emphasize them, in fact perhaps those rows should be smaller font.  It is certainly an improvement to fix the sorting.


 * In the Puerto Rico list, i am aware that many of the coordinates are off, at least by the significant difference due to the 1985 coordinates datum change, because I used the coordinates in the Elkman system (from the National Park Service, but their old data). I would be very happy if you cared to go through and replace coordinates using the better NPS coordinates source which you used in Guam (which reflects their contracting out of geocoding work, to get modern, correct coordinates for at least all the sites having house number and street addresses).  I suppose this kind of coordinates updating applies to many state lists, but Puerto Rico is arguably more important because it is at an extreme.  In the 1985 datum change, the center is at Chicago where there was no change;  the greatest change and hence remaining error in using the old coordinates at the 4 corners of the U.S.  Also i happen to notice from satellite view that a sequence of the coastline properties seem to be systematically off, and also i am hopeful about the PR NRHP list being received well there. :)  Anyhow, thanks for the other fix on PR. :) doncram (talk) 19:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * if you're on today and could help out, it would be great if you could make a dent in table-izing of the smaller counties in the NC list. Lvklock will try to address today, and there is a coordinating order of proceeding, per discussion at User talk:Sanfranman59 and User talk:Lvklock. doncram (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

RPOTD
The Random picture of the day has begun again at User:Presidentman/potd to put the RPOTD on your userpage, add. Thanks. - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 19:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

HDs nationwide
What do you think of filing a bot request to help with Category:Historic districts in the United States? I'm thinking of asking for a bot to add the category itself to all articles with "hd" or "nhld" in the "type" line of the infobox, as long as those articles weren't already in a state-level category. Once this was complete, we'd be able to remove the category from the table without running the risk of missing any, and an edit to add the state-level category to each site could easily include removing the national category. It should be easy: far easier than trying to keep track of which states or letters had been sorted into state-level categories. Nyttend (talk) 19:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've filed the request, taking care to specify that we don't need to have the nationwide category added to any articles already in a subcategory of the nationwide category. Thanks for your opinion!  Nyttend (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Harrisburg city template on Strawberry Square
Hi. I'm not challenging you, I'm genuinely curious - I see you removed the city template from Strawberry Square and I wondered what this was about? (That is, often when I don't understand something here it's because there's a debate or policy which I've missed!) All enlightenment gratefully received ... thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see it's more than that - I'd only noticed SS because I'm watching it (goodness knows why), but clearly you're on a mission here. My interest is yet further piqued - do tell! :) DBaK (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Got you - thanks for the explanation! So it's basically a kind of decluttering - and no, I don't know Harrisburg well enough, nor feel committed enough to Strawberry Square (pleasant enough though it is), to want to argue over it. I think that the general principle of decluttering the template is probably right, and I am sure that locals or those with more specialized knowledge will intervene if they have strong views on the exact content! Thanks very much for taking the time to explain it to me. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 19:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Mummy Cave
What's DYK? I'm afraid: do you mean that this might get on the front page? I didn't work on that article because I wanted someone to READ it!!!

Seriously...thanks very much. Very good hook :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mummy Cave

 * The DYK got 5800 views - nice hook.  Acroterion  (talk)  13:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Northwest CW logo
If that image format works better, then use it. The only thing is that your version is not the current logo. The one I uploaded is the current used on-air and identifies the cable channel. Could you change my logo to that format? Strafidlo (talk) 00:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

New name
I like your new user name - assume it is for the flagship (and the Erie connection)? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If there is anything you want deleted to help with the anonymity, let me know (my email is enabled too). Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Did the Brig Niagara close with the current budget crisis? The Priestley House and three other PHMC museums closed recently, and the Conrad Weiser Homestead closed at the beginning of August. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear the brig is doing fairly well. The Priestley House has a pretty active group of volunteers and they plan to operate it on the weekends from April to October. Thanks for adding the alt text to Presque Isle - I need to do that for a bunch of other articles, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I added alt text for the Geobox maps in Presque Isle. It is good to have examples of alt text for ideas / models, thanks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Splitting a city list
You helped to develop the geographically-based split of the Philadelphia NRHP list. Would you be willing to help decide how to split Denver? I've made an initial proposal at talk. Nyttend (talk) 01:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you very much for your warm welcome! Also, thank you for the resources. They will be very helpful! Diligence 5960 (talk) 03:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Collegiate Academy
Hi Niagra. I think that the Northwest Pennsylvania Collegiate Academy page definitely needs worked. Could we add this to the WikiProjects Erie page as needing worked on? I will definitely be working on this page, but it has a huge section that has several severe issues. Thanks! Diligence 5960 (talk) 05:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Bridge in South Beaver Township
Hmm, I'd not before considered what you said — I've often seen multiple boxes placed, so duplication of data (other than the map) didn't even occur to me. I think that we still need the NRHP box, since the other infobox can't present its NRHP status very well. I just now removed duplicate data from the infoboxes; there's nothing now in the NRHP infobox except for specifically NRHP information — its NRHP name, how much area is included, the MPS, the date of listing, and the reference number. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just curious — could you give me an example of these FA bridges? I didn't know that Ruhrfisch had put together FAs on such topics.  Nyttend (talk) 12:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean now; I thought you meant that the NRHP infobox was somehow transcluded into the bridge infobox, somewhat like how Gibson County, Indiana is transcluded into Gibson County, Indiana topics. Thanks for explaining.  Nyttend (talk) 23:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania stub
Per your request at User talk:Doncram, FYI i created new stub Pittsburgh Central Downtown Historic District in order to support new disambig page Pittsburgh Historic District. Perhaps you'd like to develop that article more. Cheers, doncram (talk) 20:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Also Chester County Courthouse (West Chester, Pennsylvania) just now, to allow dab page Chester County Courthouse to exist. doncram (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Also Thomas Marshall House (Dayton, Pennsylvania), to allow Thomas Marshall House disambig page. doncram (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also Humphry Marshall House (1407 S. Strasburg Road) and Humphry Marshall House (Strasburg Road), and a merger proposal for one of those with Humphry Marshall House. doncram (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also Bridgewater Historic District (Bridgewater, Pennsylvania), which i started per a request of Nyttend, who also has more to add. doncram (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Also Mill Creek Historic District (Bryn Mawr and Gladwyne, Pennsylvania), to which I redirected Mill Creek Historic District (Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania) and Mill Creek Historic District (Gladwyne, Pennsylvania). These seem to be in Lower Merion Township?  in National Register of Historic Places listings in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. doncram (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Am not getting your replacing "nris" source by "focus" in the Mill Creek Historic District (Bryn Mawr and Gladwyne, Pennsylvania) article. The URL given for focus does not work, at least not now, and it was not my source for the info.  I would be interested, of course, to see link to the actual docs for this site if they are included in the Focus system.  Was the URL correct, but site down?  Anyhow, although i deleted it, I won't dispute if you restore it or a corrected version. doncram (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

At Belmont disambiguation i notice that Belmont (Bensalem, Pennsylvania), listed on the NRHP in Pennsylvania, shows currently as a redlink, while there are several Belmont variations in PA that have articles. Could this be the same as Belmont Mansion (Philadelphia) or another? I wonder if a redirect is needed. doncram (talk) 16:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking. I hadn't looked up where Bensalem was, and the Philadelphia one looks like it would be obviously NRHP-eligible.  I guess there is no issue given you see no commonalities.  Thanks! doncram (talk) 19:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Burnside Plantation (Bethlehem, Pennsylvania). doncram (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Homestead Historic District is a new dab, which i created to replace the surprising redirect to Homestead, Pennsylvania. The latter gave no explanation at top of page, but includes infobox and section on the HD, which apparently is not in just Homestead. Actually it is listed in NRIS as being in or near Pittsburgh. And I am creating new article Homestead Historic District (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) to split it out. Feel free to move it to a different name (should it be Homestead Historic District (X County, Pennsylvania)? Actually maybe the dab is not needed, and the HD article could move to the current dab location.  Am not sure. doncram (talk) 18:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Hills
Thank you so much for starting the Stephen Hills article. That was a real find! It was particularly timely since I've recently been doing some work on the University of Missouri architects. I expanded and clarified and also bungled a reference I'm not quite sure how to fix. But again thank you much! That was a real treat! Americasroof (talk) 15:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was getting the PA Capitol ready for an eventual FAC and needing to fix a red link. I was thrilled to find such a good source for Hills. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any good sources for the other architect's article I had to start. I didn't think the Hills article was going to be noticed by anybody, so thanks for the kind words.


 * PS, I fixed the discrepancy in the design competitions, thanks for pointing that out. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 16:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I might be the only other person on the planet who is ecstatic over the article! The arch and the columns are probably the two most iconic structures in Missouri.  It's wonderful to have the info.  Red links seem to have a knack of producing fun adventures.  Thanks for cleaning my bungled reference and cleaning up the capital.  BTW I did a google on your missing architect.  Check out http://cpc.state.pa.us/cpcweb/hist_huston.jsp  It looks the capital folks have done a nice job.Americasroof (talk) 16:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

PR of Pennsylvania State Capitol
Yes, I'd be glad to. I might not get to it until Wednesday. Finetooth (talk) 23:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)