User talk:Nichalp/Archive 6

Goa - materials sending references
hi - I am sure you are fine. I am searching the reference. If I get, I shall send a message to you in 15 - 20 minutes. byeee.--Bhadani 19:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Goa - Reference URL
yes the link from where I lifted the materials is:

http://www.colaco.net/thegoaUdontNO.htm

I hope this will work, or just copy and paste. bye and goodnight.--Bhadani 19:18, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject
Dear new member,

Welcome to the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject!

No doubt you're familiar with what our lofty goal is, and I'm really glad you've decided to help to try and make it a reality. Especially at this point, it's important that articles make good use of references so people know that it is now a requirement that we reference all added material for high-quality articles. Thank you so much for helping out in our noble cause :)

You might find the biweekly special article interesting. Every fortnight, an otherwise good article that lacks any sources is chosen, and the Fact and Reference Check team works collaboratively to add references to the article. We typically follow the guidelines suggested at Footnote3; however, we have used NaodW29-nowiki6958ade7af7bc3300000001 in the past.

If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on the project's talk page. You can also contact me personally.

&mdash;Frazzydee|&#9997; 03:38, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Congratulations
Thanks Nichalp. I'll archive my talk page and update my age (the precise reason I left the "as of" clause is to not have it wrong). :-) -- 04:05, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Re: your question
You asked
 * "I referenced the demographics statistics on the India page from the Times of India newspaper (print edition). The history of the page indicates that I added it on 24 Sep 2004, but I recall that the matter appeared a few days before that. Since the same is not available online (ToI), how do I cite my sources? == 19:25, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)"

Just cite it like a regular newspaper article then, as listed at Cite sources. To be a reference, someone else, in principle, needs to be able to verify the source did in fact say that. That means you need all the information required of a reference. So you may need to search and find what the correct date the article was published and other information or just use another source. Perhaps a phone call to the paper or looking in whatever archives they have would work.

You also asked:
 * "How do I cite matter from WP itself, to address claims such as "Polo was invented in India", matter which is mentioned on the Polo page itself?"

Ideally you wouldn't, ask where they got that fact from and try to reference that. Or research Polo a bit online to find a reliable reference for its origins. - Taxman 19:42, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Just in case you didn't know, this may be useful. -- 04:23, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Map of Maharashtra
I saw ur message on the day u sent, but I was just thinking. The map is OK. But, I would like to draw attention to one point - map also shows the internaltional boundaries of India, including J&K. In J&K, LOC - line of control should be specified, I feel.--Bhadani 05:07, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Can you delete the photo.
Hi Nicholas,

I uploaded a very huge file for page 'Kanpur'. Can you please delete it, so that I can upload a new smaller version.

Thanks, Bobby Awasthi

Thanks
Thanks Nichalp. Concerning about Arunachal Pradesh: Did the Anjaw district ever existed?

And also, can you give a little help concerning about Zanskar? I would appreciate if you could look briefly into the matter.

Mr Tan 21:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Goa
Hello. Could you please provide some explanation for your revert to my change Goa? I don't mean to sound picky; I am just curious, as I don't see any reason the statement was irrelevant. -- M e r o v i n g i a n (t) (c) 11:22, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. -- M e r o v i n g i a n  (t) (c) 20:28, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar
Don't worry about your unknowns, but I critically need your help concerning the article dispute. Like you, I have tried to cleanup the article using the /Temp basis, but it seems to be unaccepted, despite the fact that it was an adaptation of the original version. According to User:Moumine and User:Mel Etitis, they claimed that an article should be worked on its original version and not altered. But what I did was re-working out the article from scratch, as you can see in my best version ( I was cleaning up the etymology) version but the current article seems to me worse in terms of grammar, orientation and vocabulary structure, which I feel that it is too far from the featured article standard.

Tan 10:29, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

About article Bihar
I find that the article Bihar has been edited by some one and changed to Bihar (India), and other articles with the same name has been also referred to there. I feel this is not a wise step. The matter requires assistance and discussions so that the article Bihar gets its former name. Please try to do something.--Bhadani 03:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) PS- I have posted the following on discussion page of article bihar: quoteThe edits of 17 April 2005 by Hottentot has been reverted by me as already there was a section in the article Bihar – Bihar (disambiguation) and as such there was no justifiable reason to change the main character by the name Bihar. The edits regarding Bihar by Hottentot are being placed in the section Bihar (disambiguation). Here, it is also pertinent to note that though wikipedia sets its own standard, but even in Enclopaedia Britannica Bihar has been separately dealt with, and in my humble opinion the case with wikipedia should not be different. The article Bihar represents a state of India and 100 million people reside in Bihar and Bihar has a recorded history of 2500 years. In any case, the position of Bihar as a separate article was already accepted by the community of wikipedians as the legend Bihar (disambiguation) was there along with the main article of Bihar.

I trust that the position has been clarified.Unquote

I find this article has again been reverted by Hottentot. Please try to do something. Thanks.--Bhadani 04:57, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article Bihar - fresh developments
Kindly also see (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bihar&action=submit) - thnaks --Bhadani 08:04, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article Bihar : Issue since resolved, thanks
Dear User:Hottentot and User:Mel Etitis User:Tony Sidaway User:Sundar User:Nichalp - Article Bihar related issue since resolved. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bihar), section Bihar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani) - Thanks to you all.--Bhadani 14:44, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Images on commons (to be deleted from en)
Hi Nichalp. I've uploaded the following images to Commons. They need to be deleted from en. Do I need to nominate them for IFD or does this count as a consensual delete? -- Brhaspati\talk/contribs 02:23, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
 * Image:Irchnkanngc.jpg
 * Image:Irbgtrack.jpg
 * Image:Chennai.carnatic.concert.jpg
 * Image:Chennai.cmbt1.jpg

just to say hello
so you work (on wikipedai) in the night - as I understand from your user page and "inputs" on Raipur, and your inputs always make the output better. I just dropped to say hello to you. --Bhadani 18:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice to get a query, and nicer was the immediate reply to my hello - the answer of which I will not be able to give, though my mother toungue is Hindi. I will not call a person from Madhya Pradesh as "Madhya Pradeshi", like a person from Bengal is called a Bengali or a person from Bihar is called a Bihari - but a person from Madhya Pradesh can never be called a "Madhya Pradeshi" - really difficult question. Any way, I will continue my search and research. In case, you know the answer or come across one, please let me know. bye now.--Bhadani 19:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Surprise
Thanks, but no thanks. Whilst I'd quite like to be able to edit the front page from time to time, the other functions of being an admin don't really appeal to me. As a non-admin editor, at least I get the opportunity to choose which controversies I get involved in:) All the best, jguk 19:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi. I don't really understand how Commons works and how to link through to it - which is why I avoid it. On the licensing stuff - what do I need to do? As far as I'm concerned, anyone can use them for any purpose (as you can tell, I'm no professional photographer so I'm not wishing a fortune away!). How do I show that. Kind regards, jguk 19:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please take care of this newbie
Hi Nichalp, a newbie had earlier made several changes to India since reverted partly by me and partly by you. Can you deal with him/her as I'm on vacation till Monday? See User talk:Sundar and User talk:Lkkity. -- 11:27, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Warren County Canal
Nichalp, SPUI was able to add a map to this article. I wonder if you'd now be willing to support its FAC nomination at Featured article candidates/Warren County Canal? PedanticallySpeaking 15:38, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Nichalp. Thank you for supporting my RfA. I'll make sure you don't regret it. Cheers. Phils 19:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maps of India
Hi Nichalp. I saw your new maps on the commons and I think there are better then the ones I've done and put on the WP.fr, so I will change for them sometimes. Kind regards, Nataraja 05:35, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

about indian map and the sino-india border
hi, my indian friend. as we know, the frontier disputes of china and india has last for a long time. because of i am a chinese, i found that the border in the map of india and china in the english wikipedia edition is not neutral. i have not any contempt to my indian friends at all!! but we must insist the NPOV principle of wiki. so in the map, we'd better express all about the opinion of both sides properly. my english is poor, so i can't express my ideas commendably.--icywind 05:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

hmm, very good map!!! being a indian people, your attitude of neutral is very uncommon! thank you very much! i hope you can modify more maps to make them more neutral! thanks for your encouragement! --icywind 06:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zanskar
Can you please explain to me about the syntax you mentioned? I'm puzzled and angry at every edit I make to Zanskar.

Tan 19:20, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(Please stay online for a while more) Then why Moumine and Mel is so far reverting every, or nearly every edit that I made? I feel that the article really needs a massive cleanup yet my works are falling on deaf ears. I now understand my mistakes, but even a minor edit they are reverting the changes. If you cannot explain now, then analyse the problem when you come back. Meanwhile, I will leave Zanskar untouched for three weeks as my exams are coming. It's really distracting. Anyway, where are you goingduring your one-week vacation?

Then, am I going to see the Zanskar waste away like this? Then how am I going to improvise the article and delete unnecessary points? If you say like this, it seems that Zanskar will be doomed as a poor quality article. So how I'm going to cleanup? It will really needs massive re-working in that case.

Tan 22:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great Kalimpong
congrats - for Kalimpong--Bhadani 18:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks == 18:50, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

A belated congratulation. :-) -- 04:40, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

My adminship: thanks!
Hi Nichalp. Thanks very much for your vote for my RfA. I promise to be prudent, wise, sagacious and totally unilateral in all my admin affairs. I should say that I am very pleased at the number of people who supported me – it's very nice to know I'm making a positive impact. Cheers again, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 21:05, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Nice software
Appears to be very useful. I'll install it when I go to windows. Thanks. -- 05:35, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the maps of states of India and your good work on Sanjay Gandhi National Park. Keep up the good work. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 09:41, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thanks for your constructive work!
hello&#65288;in chinese"&#20320;&#22909;"&#65289;, thanks for your constructive work!! your map is very good! further more, the maps you drawn is unprejudiced. thank you very much, &#35874;&#35874;(thanks)!--icywind 15:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

expos/nationals debate
There is a major debate going on, and I wondered if you might want to chime in. The debate involves how to deal with franchise moves in baseball. The question is whether Montréal Expos should be its own article or if it should redirect to Washington Nationals. All other instances of franchise moves in MLB redirect the old team name to the new team name, and the history of the franchise is covered within the new team name (for MLB, NBA and NFL examples, see here. Some people are confused and think the Expos and the Nats are different teams. Some people don't want to upset Canadian readers.

Indeed, the Washington Nationals are not a new team - the Montreal Expos franchise has moved to Washington, and the old franchise name should redirect to the new franchise name, just like the 20+ instances of this occuring in Wikipedia. For example, Brooklyn Dodger history resides in the Los Angeles Dodgers article. New York Giants history, including the Shot Heard 'Round the World, resides in the San Francisco Giants article.

If you have the time, maybe you could chime in on the conversation there, Votes for deletion/Montréal Expos. Kingturtle 23:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Map of India
Hi Nichalp, your help is needed in mediating a dispute over the map of Indian states that you uploaded to commons. Discussions are at User talk:Amitroy5 and Image talk:Indiastates&utnumbered.png. Thanks! -- ran (talk) 19:27, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

RfC
You might like to post an opinion on Requests for comment/Mr Tan. JMBell° 11:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes u r missing - welcome in advance on ur comeback
Hello dear Nicholas, I saw "missing since 23 April 2005" - I am also missing you, and several others must be mising you. On behalf of me as well as all other, I extend you a Warm Welcome as and when you comeback. Welcome Back !!--Bhadani 01:29, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oooo u r still missing - I feel you are now "absconding." I am happy to see Goa on the main page to-day. Congrats.--Bhadani 08:32, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hi, good to see you in action. Welcome. -- Sundar (talk &middot; contributions) 04:23, May 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the welcoming == 04:25, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Server load
A small suggestion. Consider using Nichalp instead of the template itself. You can use subst for any template which is not bound to change often. Doing so'll reduce the server load for wikipedia. -- Sundar (talk &middot; contributions) 04:48, May 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * How does the new template reduce the server load? == 05:13, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

is no usual template. It simply inserts the contents of foo into the current page at the time of saving the edit and not everytime when someone fetches the page. See User:Xiong/TC for more information. -- Sundar (talk &middot; contributions) 06:00, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Brochures & poetry
"Isle" is only used in modern English is place names ("Isle of Dogs", "Isle of Man", etc.); otherwise it sounds rather self-consciously poetic. Similary, terms like "nestled" and "untouched scenic beauty" have an air of the tourist brochure about them. It's not a serious problem, though. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 11:11, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Welding FAC
Hi, I believe I addressed all of your objections on the welding article, so if you could, please let me know if you see anything else that needs improvement. --Spangineer &#8734; 23:26, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Wee Kim Wee
I have been extremely unhappy and frustrated about the actions of three guys: User:Moumine, User:Mel Etitis and User:JMbell. While I have a lot to say about their actions in Requests for comment/Mr Tan by stating about my behaviour, I see no reason why they have been continouusly reverting my edits. Also, like you, I have decided to add the /temp sign on Wee Kim Wee on the page, as I want to do a major edit like you on Maharashtra, I don't see why they have stubbornly removing it, and many more that I have yet to state in RfC. I need your comments.

Tan 21:18, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


 * In response to Mr. Tan's one-sided statement, I, on behalf of User:Mel Etitis and User:Moumine, would like to present our side of the case.


 * We, User:Mel Etitis, User:Moumine, and I, are having a small problem with User:Mr Tan. You see, Mr. Tan has been diligently editing many articles over the past few weeks. Now this isn't a problem in itself, but Tan does not have adequate knowledge of English grammar. This, too, shouldn't have been a problem, but (here's the catch) although Mr. Tan accepts that his English is substandard, he does not let others fix it. That is the cause of this whole dispute.


 * Over the past few weeks, Mr. Tan has repeatedly disrupted the project; for example, he persistently kept changing the grammar of some articles to match his own standards, and in doing so lowered the overall quality of the article; he added unnecessary templates to articles which needed no copyediting (e.g. Zanskar); verbally attacked the three aforementioned users.


 * Aside from this, he would do large-scale edits on articles, repeatedly replacing perfectly good phrases with his fractured English, adding questionable facts and the like. It has come to the point where reasoning has no effect on this user. With no other option (Mel had already blocked him once), we opened an RfC, hoping to enlighten him.


 * However, it didn't stop there. Mr. Tan gladly seized the opportunity to accuse us of doing various things, including vandalism, personal attacks, poor grammar, bad faith, and the like.


 * Please give an opinion at Requests for comment/Mr Tan. Your views will be much appreciated.


 * More information under Requests_for_comment/Mr_Tan and our respective talk pages.


 * Most sincerely, JMBell° 15:20, 11 May 2005 (UTC)