User talk:Nick-in-montgomery

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The Old Bell Museum
Hi. I reverted some of the changes you made to this article... You should provide references from reliable sources when making any change to an article, especially when the information could be seen as positive, such as awards etc. You should not include words such as 'excellent' in your prose as this constitutes puffery. You should also keep detail down to that which is useful to the reader of the article, as opposed to someone who might be wanting to visit - Wikipedia is not a directory of company information but an encyclopedia first and foremost. If you've any questions re: any of this please do let me know! Cheers,  Nik the  stunned  12:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, I have tried to remove the "puffery" you identified.


 * The scope of the museum's collection is of importance as it gives anyone who is researching something like Montgomery Castle the knowledge that the finds etc, from the castle's excavations hare held at this museum, the same goes for information on the rail crash at Abermule. I think that it is important that the entry says more than just the museum exists. What is the point of an entry which says something like "The British Museum, a big museum in London"? I am at a loss as to why my picture of the entrance to the museum was removed?


 * The Old Bell Museum is an "accredited museum" which to anybody who knows about museums means that it has the same legitimacy as The British Museum or The World Museum in Liverpool albeit on a much much smaller scale, it is not a commercial venture touting for visitors.


 * I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia so very much a novice but I have been supporting the encyclopaedia financially by a bank standing order for several years, initially today I began to wonder why I bother until I read your explanation as to why the text was removed. Surely the way to encourage contributions from new editors is not to just delete their entries but to engage with them and suggest amendments, which I admit you have done to some extent.


 * The information I entered was provided by the museum custodian, Dr Ann Welton.


 * I hope my latest attempt at information providing was more acceptable.


 * Best regards, :-)


 * nick-in-montgomery


 * Hi Nick. Firstly, if you're new to contributing, you might find Wikipedia a more amenable place if you talk with the experienced editors first before re-instituting changes you've already had reverted. Secondly, as you have now declared a conflict of interest, you shouldn't be updating the page at all (though feel free to make suggestions on the talk page). The specific information you added is only notable enough for inclusion in the article if it's verifiable through reliable sources (note, this does not include self-published sources such as the one you were using). This is especially true of anything which could be construed as positive or promotional. Also, the source provided for the 'Accreditation' doesn't even mention the museum? Lastly, galleries are usually avoided in articles; Wikipedia is not an image repository; and this article isn't really long enough to warrant multiple images at this time. I did link to a commons category in which I placed all of your images. Cheers  Nik the  stunned  09:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Nick. I give in. I didn't add the "gallery" that was done by another "experienced editor". I tried to remove the "puffery" (either a wikipedia jargon word or an Americanism not generally used in British English which uses the word "hyperbole") but obviously not well enough. There is no "conflict of interest" as I don't really have any interest whether the museum has an entry in Wikipedia or not, I was not trying to promote the Old Bell Museum I was just trying to provide useful information as I live close by and know something about it. May I suggest that you visit the Old Bell Museum and update the entry. I have found howling errors in Wikipedia recently so this information, which I know to be accurate, I can only assume has been subjected to a level of verification which is unusual. Yes I can dig deeper and find the verification you feel is necessary but very little of it is on the internet and to be frank because I don't have an "interest" I not minded to do it.


 * I have spent hours mulling over the wording of this entry (I even drove over to Montgomery to take the photos), I have spend more time trying to find verification for stuff I know to be accurate and yet my attempt at providing information is obviously not good enough. I feel like some first year university student watching as his first essay is torn up in front of him by some pompous academic, fine, but in this case I don't have to write a second essay.


 * Nick.
 * Me visiting the place wouldn't change the above - it wouldn't make extra sources available with which I could expand the article. Also, yes, your additions got specific attention as I'd only just created the page and was pretty sure I'd added all the (scant) information available online. Which articles do you feel are full of howling errors? I'd be willing to help you fix up some of those, assuming the sourcing is available there also! (Might want to avoid words like 'pompous' though, even if used in an indirect way - we're all volunteers here after all...)  Nik the  stunned  11:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Nick,


 * So you created the original page, enough said. The internet does not contain the entire extent of human knowledge and Wikipedia is often out of date and on occasion is erroneous which is why many academics roll their eyes when it is mentioned, how on earth can "The Lonely Planet" be quoted as a reputable source? I am a volunteer and financial supporter too but obviously not one worth encouraging. Now I know how Wikipedia works and have looked at pages I know stuff about rather than using it as a resource I've decided it is not an encyclopaedia maintained by everybody it is one run by a small group of self-appointed editors who don't like their work being amended.


 * I retire.


 * Nick
 * Lol no, it's more that I don't like having my hard work shat upon . Enjoy retirement!  Nik the  stunned  14:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

First off,, you misread what said - they've been donating to Wikipedia, not the museum. So there is no COI. Second, you should consider being slightly nicer to the new guy. Third, you don't own the article. While I do agree that the exact layout of the building is unnecessary, the Accredited Status of the museum is relevant to the article (and thus I've added it back in). I highly suggest (to BOTH of you) that any further issues be discussed on the talk page (in a CIVIL manner) to avoid edit wars, hurt feelings, etc. Remember, we're all in this together. Nick (in montgomery), I do hope you continue helping out around Wikipedia! Primefac (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I may have been a bit harsh in the above, apologies. Having the changes you make "provided by the museum custodian, Dr Ann Welton" is a 100% definite COI. I also looked into any mention of this place and the art council accreditation in RS but couldn't find any, so didn't add it back in. Also, I'm pretty sure that most article created are still watched by their original creators, doesn't make me applying policy to them in future a problem.  Nik the  stunned  08:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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