User talk:NickCT/Archive VII

Sabra/Shatila introduction
Regarding the above article introduction, you undid my edits, citing formatting and content issues, and invited me to comment on the talk page. Since the edit summary does not permit a long enough explanation for you to really explain fully, I do not feel I can start a discussion because I do not understand the substance of you problems with my edit. I have therefore put my version back up (with an extra source). I would be happy to discuss the edit with you on the talk page if you would like to lay out your concerns more fully for me. Stonewaters (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tammy Duckworth
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COI tag on Golden rice
I thought that the "connected contributor" tag would be adequate explanation.

Please also see this listing at WP:COIN.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask. I'll watch your talk page for a couple of days in case you reply here, or you can leave me a message on my talk page, whatever you prefer. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 23:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Commandline
 * re "I thought that the "connected contributor" tag" - It's a little hard for someone to make the connection between the COI tag at the top of the article and the COIN listing. Generally, if you're going to put aggressive tags on articles, it's good etiquette to leave talkpage explanations per Tagging_pages_for_problems.
 * Having glanced over the COIN discussion, some of the concerns your expressing appear legitimate. Could we not simply go through Golden Rice and eliminate any of the IRRI references Sophie put in? NickCT (talk) 12:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken, she's actually done that already (uncharacteristically for PR folks, in my experience, but fine by me). I still think the connected contributor tag is worth keeping, but i expect she will request edits on talk pages from now on. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 12:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * re "she's actually done that already" - I'm not sure she has (though I haven't looked at this too deeply, so I may be mistaken). Sophie has been editing this page for a while. Take a look at these series of edits. As far as I can tell, all the references to IRRI currently on Golden rice can be attributed to Sophie. NickCT (talk) 12:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah. She did revert some of her content, and appears to be making an effort to interact more on the talk page. Perhaps replacing the COI tag is appropriate with a note on Talk about IRRI? -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 21:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd support that. But I'd also support just eliminating all mention of IRRI in the article. NickCT (talk) 01:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, you're much more familiar with the article. I did make some attempt to remove some of the more egregious promotional content before she started doing that herself, but i'd rather leave content that might be useful up to people like yourself who edit or at least patrol the actual article. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 01:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See here. NickCT (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Trayvon Martin
I'd appreciate if you would take another look at the RfC discussion on the Shooting of Trayvon Martin. In your 8 August post, you said that your recommendation for the RfC would depend on what additional information was presented. I proposed specific text for consideration on 16 Aug in the discussion thread that I hope you will comment on. Dezastru (talk) 20:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request
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Please comment on an RfC about Living members of deposed royal families and the titles attributed to them on WP
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Discussed on Talk Page?
I agree it was discussed here, but that went the other way. Where is the pro-"many" discussion, and does it also concern the wordy "stated that"? InedibleHulk (talk) 23:03, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey InedibleHulk,
 * Thanks for the note. The conversation regarding the lead wording took place a couple years ago. There were several relevant discussions, but Talk:Fox_News_Channel/Archive_24 might be the most relevant. I appreciate there are POV concerns here, but the last time consensus was tested on this issue, consensus seemed to be that "some observers" was not sufficiently reflective of the soruces. NickCT (talk) 02:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, didn't look that far back. Might be time to revisit the issue, given the more recent complaints raised in December 2012 and 2013, as well as Arzel's points about "many" being an unattributed weasel word in the discussion you linked (and in another from May 1, 2007). I'll leave your revert for the meantime. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:28, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey InedibleHulk,
 * I'm not opposed to a revisit to see if consensus has changed. I'd prefer not to spearhead that, as this conversation if obviously one fraught with WP:POV issues and consternation.
 * My position remains largely the same as 4 years ago. If you consult RSs on Fox New's political orientation, the gross gross (two gross's for emphasis) majority support the idea that it is conservatively orientated. Using "some observers" would seem as though it doesn't duly reflect that.
 * Frankly, I think the language should be even stronger than it currently is.
 * If you do want to spearhead a "revisit" here, I'd suggest it take the form of an RfC. Let me know if you want to work together on it. Be warned though, you should be prepared for shouting and WP:Wikidrama. Best, NickCT (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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An exciting month of wiki events!
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I am pleased to say that April will be a very exciting month for Wikipedia in Washington, DC. We have a lot of different events coming up, so you will have a lot to choose from.

First, a reminder that our second annual Women in the Arts Edit-a-Thon will take place on Sunday, March 30 at the National Museum of Women in the Arts.

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Oscar Lopez Rivera
I have entered a Dispute Resolution regarding the above cited Puerto Rican prisoner. I noted you also had concerns about the article. Your input could be helpful.

For now the question is simple: I state OLR was convicted of robbery, robbery is a violent crime, therefore, OLR convicted of a violent crime. The opposing side began with stating that OLR was never accused of violence, now they say he was never convicted of violence.Rococo1700 (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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I do no know if there is a way to add you or others to discussion.199.184.122.3 (talk) 23:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Palbociclib
NickCT, I don't get it. Why is version (2) an improvement over version (1)?

(1) In a phase 2 trial reported at the April 2014 annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research, palbociclib slowed progression of advanced cancer, but had no statistically significant effect on extending life.

(2) In a phase 2 trial reported at the April 2014 annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research, palbociclib was shown to significantly slow the progression of advanced cancer, but had no statistically significant effect on increasing the chance of survival.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palbociclib&diff=603148722&oldid=603048742

--Nbauman (talk) 04:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Nbauman,
 * Thanks for dropping by!
 * So couple points.
 * 1) re "slowed" -> "was shown to significantly slow the" - I don't really think this is an important change. The article I read state that the "progression free" time for patients on palbociclib doubled. I thought the doubling in time needed a little more emphasis. If you don't think it reads better, you're free to remove it.
 * 2) re "extending life" -> "increasing the chance of survival" - Saying palbociclib did not "extend life" seems objectively wrong as overall survival for patients given the treatment was extended from 33.3 months in the control to 37.5 months. 4.2 months is an extensions, no? NickCT (talk) 08:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, 4.2 months is not an extension if it's not statistically significant. http://www.aacr.org/home/public--media/aacr-in-the-news.aspx?d=3335 --Nbauman (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @Nbauman - Ah! You have a more authoritative source than the Reuters piece I read, which just stated the 33.3 and 37.5 month numbers. Funny, I'm not a statistician but I would have guessed a 33.3 versus 37.5 month difference in a group of 30 patients would have represented a significant difference. Funny to that the drug could be shown to significantly halt "progression" but not mean survival time.
 * Regardless, I concede your point. I'll try to give it a quick reword.
 * You clearly have a command of this subject. Please free to change my wording as you see fit. I will not take offense. NickCT (talk) 18:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, the Reuters article did start out with
 * (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc's experimental breast cancer drug in a clinical trial nearly doubled the amount of time patients lived without their disease getting worse, but overall survival was not yet shown to be statistically significant, researchers said.
 * Always pay careful attention to the difference between progression-free survival and overall survival. Overall survival means you live longer. Progression-free survival means you die with nice x-rays and lab work. --Nbauman (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @Nbauman - Well, I'm sure dying folks take some consolation in the x-rays.......
 * You know, I've always that "overall survival" was a bit of a misnomer. It seems one might take it to mean "one's chance of surviving a disease", which of course it doesn't. Regardless, thanks for your attention to detail. NickCT (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Oscar López Rivera
We have a similar problem with a similar article at Filiberto Ojeda Ríos where Mercy11 serves as its gatekeeper. He's so passionate about condemning the FBI that the article is left poorly sourced with a severe NPOV problem (it is tagged). At this point the article is in limbo until we can find a dispute resolution forum that he will accept. If you have any success with the Rivera article, please share your approach.

Violent Crime is defined in the federal code as: Crime of violence defined a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or (b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense. This definition would include armed robbery of which Rivera was convicted in 1981. Eudemis (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


 * @Eudemis - Not 100% on the right approach here, but I think it should be either RFC/U or Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. Ultimately I think a topic ban is in order here, but I'm not sure what the best way to go about getting one is. If you're interesting in pursuing this, let me know, we can work on it together.
 * I've met a couple "gatekeepers" in my time, and have pretty strong feelings about how disruptive it is. This guy definitely strikes me as though he's WP:SOAPBOXing. NickCT (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Ping
you've got mail.  Calidum   16:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * - Not seeing anything in my Nick_CT@yahoo.com account.
 * FYI - I'm happy to look at private communications, but my strong preference to keep communications on-wiki and in the light of day. NickCT (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * See it now. Replying. NickCT (talk) 16:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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Two edit-a-thons coming up!


Hello there!

I'm pleased to tell you about two upcoming edit-a-thons:


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 * RfC: Replace existing Nazi gun control paragraphs?

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Happy May!

There are a few meetups in DC this month, including an edit-a-thon later this month. Check it out:
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Wait a bit
Sorry I haven't had time to weigh in and this week is busy. Can we hold off till Sunday eve at least?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * - Would Friday be OK? Sunday seems like a long time. If others request a longer delay, we'll do it.
 * Don't mean to be a task master here, but I'm a little worried that delay will take the "wind out of the sails" so to speak. Also, it seems fair that anyone who was genuinely interested should have had time to contribute by now. NickCT (talk) 13:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)