User talk:Nick Moyes/Archive 24

Congratulations
Thanks for making youeself available! - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's not count our chickens too early. Six hours left yet - plenty of time for me to make some really irresponsible AFD !votes (LOL). Thank you for your support. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't need to do that Nick, just blank User:Jimbo Wales and replace it with "YOU SUCK" and see if you can ratchet up enough opposition in 6 hours to get into the 'crat discretionary zone. :-) On a serious note, congratulations on your impending mop - a good result, I think. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, and for all your and 's support, and , of course. Maybe, if I got the timing just right, I could create the 6 millionth article based around Jimbo's recent non-wife beating declaration what I got off his and Jeff Bezos' phones the other day. An hour before the RFA closes might make for good timing?
 * By the way, I don't know if you saw it, but I do think this has to go down as my favourite ever interaction with another editor here! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The red banner on the icon above suggests you've missed your chance - unless that actually was your one? Dropped in to offer my congrats, good show, welcome to the mop corps. Girth Summit  (blether)  19:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * We suspect ran off with the crown again.  --qedk (t 桜 c) 21:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your RfA says 0 days, 0 hours right now, so it's probably going to be closed as successful soon. I'd like to offer my congratulations as well. You'll be the first new admin of 2020! Anyways, I know I said it already, but congrats! Clover moss  (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Congrats! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello NM. I want to add my congrats to the growing chorus. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * My ears were burning...congrats BTW...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations!  J 947 &thinsp;(c) , at  00:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Your request for adminship
Hi Nick Moyes, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for both your successful nomination and for your place on WP:RFX100. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! Acalamari 21:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Trouted
You messed up 's signature. See here. I fixed it for you. Interstellarity (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, how weird. Must have happened when I did a Ctrl-C to copy his signature into my reply. Thanks for pointing out my weaknesses with SUCH A BIG FISH! Gonna go and block myself now.... Nick Moyes (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding that you are going to block yourself? Interstellarity (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm ready for the unblock. { --qedk (t 桜 c) 16:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * At least you didn't delete the main page! If it makes any difference, I recieved my first trout recently for linking WP:CP instead of Community Portal. Clover moss  (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah,, but have you ever hit yourself with one? They're cold and wet and slimy, but you do get over it. And yes, , I was kidding. I do that quite a lot. I take Wikipedia extremely seriously, but that doesn't stop me having a gentle laugh away from mainspace. I apologise if my sense of humour doesn't always reach the right place. You're just going to have to roll with it, I'm afraid, my friend. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * started this template that might be useful. I'm fine with humour, by the way, it's a nice break from everything being so serious. I'm just trying to be helpful, since I think you might like the template. Clover moss  (talk) 17:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh - I like that a lot. I might even use it. [just kidding] See what I did there? Nick Moyes (talk) 17:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep! :) Clover moss  (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations on your success at the RFA. I wish you all the very best.  NNADI GOOD LUCK  ( Talk &#124; Contribs ) 22:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Congratulations Nick! May your adminship treat you well. Seeing as you have now been demoted promoted to the rank of swabbie, I think you'll be needing a mop. Thus I present you with your first level 1 mop. The level 60 silver one with a ruby hilt is on back order :) CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * May you take your banhammer Tea-Mop of righteousness! Nosebagbear (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Congrats Nick, seems to be the day for victories. @rosiestep wrote article number 6,000,000. Still busy on Twitter for Women in Red and look back on Derby Museum with pride although sad that Derby did little to exploit having Wikipedia as a partner. They later had posters about the city's support for inventors - with a QR code and an explanation of what a QR code is AND it wasn't a QR code. They should have been a wiki city - they had the chair of wikimedia fly in to see the museum and people travelling from France and Spain just to see the museum, but they had got rid of the guy who saw what could be done. They have a UK wikimedia prize as top glam! but they have never told the public. Miss you up here in Scotland. I'm selling my house in Derby at the mo, so I will be visiting again to close out the deal. Maybe we can do coffee. Admin Nick all the best Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * B**ger the coffee, - this deserves a beer, and I know just who is buying them, don't I,, eh? Really pleased to learn that a long-serving editor like Rosie got the 6,000,000th article. I was all set to go for it myself with this paltry effort, but the wife was due in and I had to cook the dinner. By the time we'd eaten, we were at 6,000,017! Yes, it's sad that Derby didn't follow up, and I suspect they won't with their new Museum of Making when it opens later this year, either. (BTW: In my first role as sysop I've taken the liberty of reformatting your post by fixing the typos.) Cheers to all, and a proper note of thanks will follow. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Congrats on surviving your RfA! signed,Rosguill talk 00:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Nick. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nick...you be a good'un. John from Idegon (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a ritual, Nick, so damn it, you get a t-shirt! Liz Read! Talk! 23:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC) Admin_T-shirt.svg

Rangeblock
Heads-up that I dealt with your AIV request. Also, I didn't know much about rangeblocks, so mostly winging it. Here's what I picked up: Let me know if there's something I should know or if you have questions! --qedk (t 桜 c) 06:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * https://tools.wmflabs.org/ip-range-calc/
 * Blocking IP addresses
 * mw:Help:Range blocks (lesser the number, lesser the worry of collateral)
 * mw:Help:Range blocks/IPv6 (lower green/blue stuff is okay to block mostly, but do a check)
 * Many thanks, . You're a braver person than me! I've not yet had a chance to read and to work through the tests example in the new admins guide. Rangeblocks look particularly challenging to start with, and didn't want to mess things up on my first go. All the very best, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Can I check something with you?
Hi Nick,

You've been kind enough to help in the past, so I thought I'd ask you to check this. I received this today:

"Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Merlin, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Blackbird (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.)"

So I've changed the link to 'blackbird'. I think that solves the problem, but would like to be sure. (Have no idea what Dab solver is). Thanks Nick! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 14:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

PS, hope you're getting on well with your timer.
 * Hi . Yep, another chicken is in the oven as I write this! OK, so DAB means a 'Disambiguation page', which lists similarly named pages so that the user can choose the one most relevant to them. (See WP:DAB for more info. It is very easy to assume you've made a wikilink to the correctly-named page when, in fact, the word means different things to different people. Like Robin does. So you got a helpful message saying "oy, you linked to a vague disambiguation page, did you mean to do that, and can you fix it if you didn't, please?" (To help you resolve it, it linked to an off-site tool - called DAB Solver -which analyses the page and offers alternative links for you. But you've no obligation to use it and, in fact, today it doesn't seem to be functioning, anyway.)
 * Yes, you did the right thing by trying to fix it, but unfortunately, no, you didn't link to quite the best page. It's a very easy mistake to make, but you actually linked to True thrush - a page about the eighty or so different species of that bird family around the world. What you needed was a link to the blackbird (Turdus merula), which is at common blackbird, though I would use a 'pipe' command to make the link look like this: blackbird.
 * I don't know if you've bothered to explore it yet, but the 'Preferences' link at the top of every page allow you to change certain settings. If you go to Preferences>Gadgets, and look in the 'Appearance' section, you'll see an empty tick box labelled Display links to disambiguation pages in orange. If you tick the box and save changes, from now on any wikilink that goes to a 'Disambiguation page' is highlighted in orange. It's a useful colour warning for editors like me who might range across many different articles as it helps them spot these links to vague pages and then to fix them.
 * Oh, by the way, when I went back to your talk page to check the actual message I couldn't find it, then realised you'd deleted it. You are perfectly entitled to do that, though my suggestion would be to wait a while before removing any messages, especially if you expect some follow-up. It's also helpful to keep most messages there so that some weeks later you can nip back to something you might need to know again. There are ways to set up automatic archiving of your talk page messages, but we needn't worry about that right now. Whist on this topic, I probably ought to mention that we have a sort of convention here where it's deemed that deleting another editors' message on your talk page is perfectly OK, though selectively removing parts of it (called refactoring) is rather frowned upon, as it can change the appearance of hat another editor was trying to say. I have absolutely no problem with you having done that with all the waffle and helpful hints mixed up together in my posts I left for you. But it is possible that other editors might not be quite so unconcerned. The better way in future would be to selectively copy the bits you want, move them over onto either your main user page (or some subpage you create just for hints and tips) and then delete the original editors' posts entirely. You could then just leave an edit summary like 'selectively copying over John Smith's useful advice from my talk page.
 * Must go - the oven pinger is calling me. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I expect I'll get the hang of it eventually. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Congratulations!!!
Congratulations 🍾🎉 & thanks for choosing to serve the community in the most prestigious & demanding manner. Salute ! Celestina007 (talk) 23:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Just adding my words of congratulations to so many others. I did not vote but I have seen your help to so many at the Teahouse.  This place is run by a very few so keep up the good work. Eschoryii (talk) 05:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Wield your mop with pride; Thanks and congratulations.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on your successful RFA  D Big X ray ᗙ  18:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Nick Moyes!!!! well done!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Nick on your successful RFA :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 13:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * A little late to the table, but congratulations from me, too, Nick! Well-deserved. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

CoI query
Here's one for you; what, if any, would the standard reaction be where a new user seemingly creates a draft article about themselves? I only glanced over it, but apart from the embedded links, didn't seem like newbie stuff. Thx.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 05:02, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . My first reaction was, wow!, an assumedly female editor writing about a woman in a male-dominated sport in male-dominated India, so what's not to like? My next reaction was, oh, a fully-formed article written all in one go by an assumedly new editor - unusual. Then it was to look for a COI / PAID declaration on the userpage, of which I could find nothing.
 * So, not wanting to discourage any female editor, writing about womn in a men's sport in India, I would think about dropping by their talk page in a friendly and supportive manner and explain about COI and PAID, and make some helpful suggestions for the draft article. Most important would be to point out the need for WPRS that talk in depth about her, not just cite a load of race results. It might simply be TOOSOON, if those sources don't exist yet.
 * Whilst my reaction would be to assume this was created by a person with previous editing experience, I might WP:AGF and not make any direct accusation, especially as they're clearly a high-flyer and might well have worked out our methods of page construction by looking at other similar articles. Having done that, and waited for a while for any reply and, getting none, I'd drop a COI template on the draft. But bear im mind this is a woman working in a male-dominated area - I wouldn't want you to discourage them in the way in which you interact with them. How does that sound? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine. My query was that draftspace was involved, and I didn't know if 'special' circumstances were applicable (that aspect I didn't know how to search). I am fairly sensitive to CoI editing - it helps when they self-identify, or suggestively-identify! Here are examples of how I custom-write: User talk:LukeBrackenbury 27 Dec 2019 and User talk:Stephen Fried Egg, 5 Jan 2020 and June 2019 by admin JBW. Just the former example has CoI annotation to mainspace (at Bennetts). I have been growled-at by an arbcom for biting CoI sock IPs a long time ago which the arbcom didn't understand, so in this case I didn't want to presume too much. There's already a Welcome message, so I didn't want to use Welcome-COI below it. I've just noticed the lettering on the rear tyre File:Samantha D'souza Drag (4).jpg. I'll keep an eye on it, and perhaps modify one of my already-used messages. I don't have anything else pressing, presently (apart from the gardening). Muchas.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:32, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well first off, you are going the right way about getting yourself blocked for WP:OUTING if you ever do that again as you did at Luke Brackenbury's talk page! You've researched the person's CV online and published links to it on Wikipedia, which is not on. (I did the same once, long ago, and am much more careful now. The smug feeling I got for being a great detective was counterbalanced by the admin who, off-wiki, told me that he thought I'd gone a bit too far in drawing conclusions on-wiki) So, you really need to be MUCH more circumspect in future, please. Like you, I also sniff around COI's, but assume good faith when engaging with a new user. I draw my own conlusions and then watch as they either fail to make the relevant declrations or feel pleased if I see they've responded to the advice. So, by all means indicate that you've looked online; by all means say you feel there's some possibility of the user being the same name as someone of similar name who appears to be in a PR Role in the company, and then ask them to declare their COI/PAID if they have one, but also hint that, of course, it could just be a coincidence. (Yeah, we know it's unlikely, but we have to play more even handed than you did with LB, so I suggest you go and cut out or reword that bit, and take more care in future, please.)
 * I'm busy right now for the rest of today/tomorrow, so wont read or respond to your other demonstration links, if that's OK - but please check and reword theme if you've repeated the mistake of Outing them.
 * Of course, drafts can be editing by anyone as its a shared space. A polite word to say you're going to make a few helpful suggestions would introduce you as a co-editor and lets you add things like 'needs confirmation' or templates in a spirit of cooperation, rather than criticism.  In haste, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2020
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Thanks for that
I'm not sure if I should be flattered or a little weirded-out, but I tend to doubt we'll hear from them again, and it's thanks to you that those userright categories are a little tidier than they were just moments ago. And while I'm here, congratulations on your successful RfA! I hope you're enjoying the shiny new buttons. :) Regards, –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 18:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Idea for new community workspace
Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved.

You have been very helpful, so I wanted to get your brief input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen. I see a few possible options for making this happen, so I would like to get your input and feedback on this. which of the options below would you prefer? also, please reply to the brief questions below.


 * Would you be interested in an idea of this nature?
 * If so, which option below seems most feasible to you?
 * Create a new page/talk page at the existing WikiProject Council, where members of various WikiProject can gather to offer updates, information and ideas on the latest efforts at each of their own WikiProject, such as WikiProject Council/Town Hall.
 * Create an entirely new WikiProject with an inclusive name such as
 * WIkiProject Town Hall,
 * WikiProject Bulletin Board,
 * WikiProject Water Cooler
 * Create a new collaborative page or forum, but not as a new WIkiProject, i.e. with some name like
 * Town Hall or
 * Water Cooler
 * Create a new sub-page in my own userspace, such as User:Sm8900/Town Hall
 * Create a subpage at an umbrella-type WikiProject that already covers a broad topical area, such as WikiProject History/Town Hall

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options above. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know. --Sm8900 (talk) 05:13, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * hi! by the way, we are discussing this now as a proposal, at the following location. your input would be welcome there. thanks. link: Village_pump_(proposals). --Sm8900 (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

need your help
I need your help with the MfD item below. I tried to contact, but didn't get a reply yet. please advise. thanks.

LINK: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Brianboulton/drafts

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 03:24, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My best advice: Have patience; give people time to respond. MFDs last for 7 days, like all the rest. There's no rush. (I have now since commented there, however) Nick Moyes (talk) 19:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks. I fully agree with you. and your comments there were very helpful, as usual. in fact, I would like to proceed with your recommendation; i.e. let's get consensus to create a shared collaborative resource to enable other editors to work on these pages as a group effort, and keep it in the user space for Mr. Boulton. I think that's a good idea!! thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. actually, I agree with your proposal below. so, since I agree, how do you want to get this proposal started? would you like to submit it at Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians? obviously, I think it's better if you do so, for a variety of reasons; one reason is simply because you are an univolved admin, so this is much better if it comes from you.


 * If you prefer to wait a little before submitting it, that's totally fine. could you please let me know what general time frame you might see on this? thanks!!!


 * QUOTE:
 * Agree. As per initial proposal above, I agree with this suggestion by : "a proposal be put to the discussion over at Wikipedia talk:Deceased Wikipedians to recognise the need for those involved editors to create subpages for each relevant Wikipedian's incomplete efforts to be indexed and worked on, in a shared collaborative manner, and from there each finished page would only be released to mainspace when all issues around respect for the original Wikipedian's work and attribution, plus a desire to see there work utilised are fully met."


 * thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 21:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

My RFA - a note of thanks
I would like to thank the community for giving me its support and putting its trust in me to take on an administrator role. It is a genuine privilege to be trusted, and it will of course be an ongoing responsibility to deliver on your trust.

Rather than bothering everyone who cast a !vote with an individual ‘thank you’ message, I would simply like to acknowledge the input of everyone who took the time and trouble to comment at my RfA, and to my nominators for their support, too. (Including the person who nominated me without my knowledge last year. You know who you are!)

In coming to this point, I now appreciate that there's still more that I do not know about Wikipedia than I have already learned, thus far. So, if I make mistakes - as I surely will - please let me know in as polite and as pleasant a way as you are able. Should I ever lose the trust of the Wikipedia community, it seems not unreasonable to make myself available for recall in someway.

And if there's any take-away message from the RfA, it must be that I'm ruggedly handsome, hugely trustworthy...   ...and old.

Thank you all, again Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * ...then wanders off to see what all those shiny new buttons do...

Congratulations, Nick, and don't limit yourself to the shiny new buttons. You are also now entitled to a bunch of shiny new bling! See User:MelanieN/Admin bling for details. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . I appreciate the bling info. I have now blung. Or is it blunged? Or blungerated? Or blungified? Anyway, ta. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * What happens if you spill the hot tea on the computer? Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 02:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Who knows! Shall we find out? Here goe....

New article
I just noticed the redirect you created for Stelth Ulvang was replaced with an article several days later. Just mentioning because the coincidence seems odd. Maybe you know more. Otherwise, I will AGF. MB 18:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Warwick University Editathon attendees!
You have two tasks to perform here:

TASK 1 Copy the following three lines of text, and paste them into your User Sandbox. (If your sandbox link is red, it means you haven't yet created and saved any edits there, so you will have to click Create Source, paste in the text, then hit the big  blue 'Publish page' button.)


 * Northern White Rhino
 * The last male northern white rhino died in March 2018.
 * Sir David Attenborough described the imminent extinction of this sub-species as "another catastrophe and another warning signal".

TASK 2 Come back and edit this section, and leave me a message below to say 'Hello'. Start it with an asterisk to create a bullet point on a new line. Then sign your name by simply typing four tildes, like this:  Then click 'Publish changes'. Thank you, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Quick update
Hi. Just wanted to let you know about a quick update. I have provided an update on my efforts, at the talk page section below. I really appreciate your help. thanks.
 * Wikipedia_talk:Deceased_Wikipedians

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 03:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

note re comments
okay, no problem, if you wish to discuss at the project page, that is totally fine. I really need your input on this though. I appreciate any comments. if that is the case though, then I may simply move it to my own talk page if that's okay. to look on the bright side, anything you write on my talk page is likely to have more of an impact on me, right? I really appreciate your insights. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for the video from the Terry Gilliam movie!!! adds some welcome comedy to our usual topics of editing. highly enjoyable. thanks!! hope you're having a good day. thanks again. cheers!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello ,

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
 * Source Guide Discussion

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
 * Redirects


 * Discussions and Resources
 * There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
 * A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
 * A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
 * A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
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Re: WikiProject Invitation
Hi Nick, thanks a lot for the invitation, I joined the project right now. And also thanks for the suggestion about the DAB page orange display. I aleady had it on it.wiki but I didn't think to look for it also here. See you, --Pampuco (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that, and hope to see you around. I'm thinking of having a second go at taking a page I built on the Mont Blanc massif to WP:FAC sometime soon. The only outstanding issue from last time was the order of content, which I think is fine. But if you have an interest in that areas and any feedback you'd care to offer, do feel free to let me know. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Responding from Teahouse
Hey Nick, I got caught up in real life and took too long to reply at Teahouse. Your observation and was welcome, I just took too long... D: Your advice was most helpful, actually. Though considering even that sound help, Ive decided to not reply to anything on AN/I for a long while yet. Im still waaay too new as an editor, only been on a month now as of today. Honestly Teahouse does seem like a better idea. Far less conflict. The two pieces of advice that really made me think was Ian's "if you cant help, don't post," and your line of "The trick is to know when to keep quiet and let others respond, and when to appreciate that one can offer just as good a helpful answer on another topic as anyone else can." Those both make a lot of sense. And no, I do not have enough edits to be a Host at Teahouse, but that seems like a far better place to once in a while help a fellow new editor out or leave a piece of advice, than to over step my bounds and unintentionally end up stirring up more drama by doing the same at AN/I. XD I am trying to take it slowly and learn the ins and outs first. Heck, I still dont know if my problem with my first account was solved... (I accidently made my first account using my real life name... D: Which I then learned was ill-advized due to the possibility of getting harrassed, so I made this one. Ive sent an email to ArbCom already, just no reply yet. I dont intend to ever use that first account. Too much risk, and I just want it removed, or blocked, or mega-nuked. It cant be deleted either though? Which... ugh. Face slam repeatedly unto desk). I think I've blown up your talk page enough, this was suppose to be a simple thank you. Apologies. Ive rambled enough. Thank you, Nick, for the sound advice and kind words. :) Best wishes! SageSolomon (talk) 05:30, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Yes - sensible not to get involved in angst-filled places like ANI. I'm still wary of it myself, even after all these years here. Whilst you cannot delete an account, if you are worried that you posted anything there (or here on this new account) which links to the old one, and you want those links or statements removed (we call is WP:REVDEL for REVision DELetion), then just email me directly. ArbCom won't deal with your request, though they might pass it on to Oversight. See next bit for explanation: Point me to WP:DIFFs which reveal that link or personal detail and I will be happy to permanently hide them from view (except from another administrator). If anything you posted is so revealing (name/address/age/contact details/family names etc) we can go one stage further and get what we call WP:OVERSIGHT on them. This is a special deletion for the most egregious/revealing of edits which permanently removes them. And only admins with special permissions can do this, but they will never actually delete an account. But REVDEL sounds like it might suffice, and I can easily do that for you. I don't know your age (but I conclude you're past college age), but we do take extra care and offer advice so that minors are protected online here. So, either way,  don't reply here, but email me or another administrator if you think a simple revdel of specific edits made by that old account or this current one might be appropriate. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
I'll try to be better about describing about why I'm reverting. Not much of an excuse there.

Unfortunately the editor appears to be denying COI: I assume you already know what I do (and what I requested be redacted from COIN.) --Mr. Vernon (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you - that will help a lot. Yes, I am currently drafting a reply at WP:AN3, but I am not minded to block them at this time as I can see some of their concerns over editing were justified, even if not responded to as best as we might wish for. I see has redacted part of your edit re COI by this editor. I feel there is a middle ground to be found here, in which we ask the  editor to cease direct editing, whilst appreciating their concerns about the over-emphasis of details about a very current/ongoing issue. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:24, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds quite right and the best way to approach it. Your requests on the talk page seems quite right and sensible to me. You say you are a new admin, but you are handling this well. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Putting a frst inline citation on a page as opposed to adding one where multiple citations exist
Hello. Following the instructions in your guide I managed to put an inline citation, number 62, on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky page about a week ago. I just now tried again but this time on a page where no inline citations existed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooton_desk. What I got was not the intended result. Did I do one thing wrong or several? --AlainV (talk) 20:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * here. Hi, you entered the reference correctly, but the article wasn't set up to display inline citations that use the citation template. I added and now it displays. But, you're adding a citation template when the article is already using a different method for citations. You can learn more about that at WP:CITEVAR.  Schazjmd   (talk)  21:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

(Repeating ping because I messed up the syntax)  Schazjmd   (talk)  21:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the good example you just gave me by putting in reflist between the curly brackets. I started that article in November 2003 when there were no inline citations and looking at the revision history I don't see any mention of one of the two methods (parenthetical and ref tags) being implemented at one point. Just where do you find out that an article is one or the other? --AlainV (talk) 21:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , you just view the source and see what method the article is using. There have been some articles I won't edit because I don't understand their citation system. I like the templates. Since you started that article and have written over 75% of it, you could switch the other references to use the same citation template that you just used for this latest reference. Then they'd all show up under the References heading and you could delete the Sources heading.  Schazjmd   (talk)  21:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--AlainV (talk) 21:32, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Stelth Ulvang
I was wondering if you intended to comment further or if you just got fed up with it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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Note re your comment
I have now taken the steps that you requested, at Wikipedia talk: Deceased Wikipedians. On that basis, please remove your statement "clear as mud." based on my extensive and solo work in that area, I'm sorry, but I find it somewhat belittling.I have never before seen a Wikipedian being denigrated by anyone here, much less an admin, for having done work that no one else was willing to do. I respectfully request that you please remove it, and replace it with something more constructive. I appreciate your help and understanding. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I was willing to disregard it, but now that I am being subjected to additional personal comments at that page, I think a little bit of revision for brevity might be appreciated and helpful. I greatly appreciate your kind help and understanding. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm happy to review what I said, as you do seem to be listening. I have no intention to offend or upset you, though some of your actions have been quite hard to comprehend, and I felt I needed to quite blunt to get that across to you. It may not now be until tomorrow that I can review my advice and comments, as I am away from my desktop, and am with my family this evening. Meanwhile, no need to post any more messages for me. Regards. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to say that I appreciated you coming to my page to express your feelings. You've done remarkably well to remain polite, upbeat and responsive in the light of criticism of some of your well-meaning actions. Thank you for taking onboard my suggestions at Deceased Wikipedians, and I have 'struck' my comment on clarity there.
 * I am delighted to see has just offered to guide you via the AAU process. Thanks Cap'n! So please would you now go back to the other editors you approached and tell them you are now sorted? That would be courteous. And do try to think whether you've said all that you need to say in any one edit, and take on board the advice about previewing your posts before publishing. I had so many edit conflicts with you yesterday, and so many notifications about small edits to my talk page that towards the end if the day I simply gave up trying to engage via mobile phone. All the best, and remember: There is WP:NORUSH Nick Moyes (talk) 08:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * that make sense!! I appreciate the info. thanks. by the way, re the other editors, I am going to see if they wish to offer any insight, info or input as well. It only seems fair to the Wikipedia community, to try to get as much info as I can, from as many people as I can. they all can see that I have over ten years here, so some of them have already replied to say they are not sure what help I need, but they are willing to offer any insights. I really appreciate that. thanks.
 * by the way, thanks for your input as well. all of your constructive feedback and pointed comments have now caused me to create a new resource for Wikipedia, one that we needed, that we did not have, and which may last for a long time. So if all of our collaborations, convos and colloquies here have a similar result.... I think that we will be in very good shape indeed!! I look forward to further collaborations together. and keep sending me your blunt feedback!!! seriously, if it always leads to this outcome, then I may find it rather rewarding to try to stay in touch, and try to help out in whatever little projects, unfinished tasks, etc etc may come up from time to time. I hope you like the result there. I did see your last reply to me. I am very glad you like the finished product. hope we can do more things, as time goes on. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * by the way, upon reflection, perhaps based on your comments, I will make Captain Eek my primary mentor, and then seek other insights periodically from the others. As you know, I didn't write to every prospective mentor; only the few that seemed to align with my current activities and interests. So I do appreciate all your feedback and insights. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:32, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * can you please come by WP:ANI? now they are referring to my edits at Deceased Wikipedians as disruptive? I need input from someone who was part of the project at that page, please? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. I have been away for a few days, but have just spent the last three hours catching up and writing a reply for ANI, which I'll post shortly. You might not like all of it, but I felt investing the time to get you back on track was worth it, as I'd hate to see you getting blocked for wanting to do the right thing, but going about it all the wrong way. If you can, try to think through your own plans and ideas in a critical manner before seeking feedback from everyone else. Taking a considered approach is far better than rushing out with half-baked ideas that then just makes work for all the rest of us. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ok. actually I think that colloquy was kind of coming to a close. I'd be happy to hear your feedback, but at this point, I would rather do it one-on-one. I;m really glad you posted your ideas. Could we discuss further on your talk page? I'd be glad to discuss it here, any time.
 * I have viewed your insightful and helpful comments, and have provided my own reply. I really appreciate your help. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:01, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back
Also there have been some updates on a case you were working with me on. Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 14:58, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

note re your items
Ok, I have now adopted all of your excellent and highly insightful ideas. I was glad to do so. As you will note, I have now deleted almost all of my prior sub-pages. I had one question, if I may. just wanted to ask, why did you link to our discussion at Deceased Wikipedians? Was that, or was that not, a page where you and I had achieved a fully positive resolution, in regards to the new resources that we set up together? I am truly interested in your feedback, and would truly appreciate your thoughts on that. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OK - glad you feel that was helpful. But, sorry, I'm not prepared to go in to details, justifying every little thing that I do here. I'd prefer you to draw your own conclusions and move forward. It's the nitpicking that can potentially irk people who are trying to assist you. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * okay, I appreciate your reply. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Funny
If you stole a painting from the Gallery but made an anonymous donation of the painting back to the gallery, and you left no evidence of your dna on the painting, for how long could you get away with it (assume you control the security cameras and you had a mask on) I am wondering... LOL -- Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 03:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You know, that's weird, because I've been pondering a roughly similar conundrum of my own. I ask myself: if a tree falls in a forest and lands with a thump on the head of a passing Wikipedia editor, would there be anyone around to care? I suspect the answers to both questions are roughly the same, and have equivalent import. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)8

Edit notice
A suggestion for User:Nick Moyes/sandbox/textblocks: how about changing  to   to make it more visible? —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 11:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks -for that suggestion, . I think if that were notice were to be added (hopefully very rarely) to an article, rather than its talk page, it shouldn't be so visible that ordinary users are distracted by it. Yet, it needs to be seen by editors. So I suspect the visual balance is about right. Thank you for showing me that other template, which I've never used before. Obviously one can choose other colours, too. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh. Right. I was assuming it was for talk pages. I use the yellow divbox when I'm trying to be more hand-wavy than bear-pokey. Parm 2 is for a bolded/centered title, too. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 11:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Doh! I just realised I'd got the wrong end of the stick in that we're talking about Editnotices which only appear when someone tries to edit the page. So my comments above were somewhat off beam. Nurse!...is it time for me to go home now? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Easyrefbegin
This is very helpful--I hadn't known about it. I added an alternate method in parenthesis which I think is more intutitive, and it would be nice to have a briefer memnoic shortcut, perhaps EASYREF. I'd like to add a line or two about what fields in the templates usually need to be filled out--this is a common place for errors. Of course, just remove what you don't like.  DGG ( talk ) 16:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Glad you like it - yes - please feel free to make improvements. It's still a bit of a 'work in progress, and began life from my frustrations at the Teahouse when trying to point beginners to a help page that even I couldn't make sense of! It also has another shortcut (WP:ERB), but maybe WP:EASYREF is a sensible one to create, too.  Nick Moyes (talk) 17:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Shortcut now created. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advise
I am starting to help with the content of Wikipedia. I understand your advise as to articles of regarding politicians; which warrant to carefully use adjectives in order to avoid accusations of biased. I believe that an accurate article must include controversies in which the politician was involved, as well as achievements. I try to cite accurate sources like newspapers in which to base the information that I include in an article. As of this moment, I have only collaborated with one article but expect to help with many more. Hopefully, this exchange with more experienced users will help my collaborations be better. Thanks!! Rickyfortuno (talk)
 * Hi thanks for dropping by to respond. It's great that you appreciate the concerns I mentioned, and the best editors here are those who manage to stay neutral and get balance in what they write and the sources they use. As I said, all politicians, including Carlos Saavedra Gutiérrez inevitably attract controversy as well as praise. The trick is not to put Undue weight on one part of their achievements. (I am not suggesting you have any connection with this person, but if you think you do - and I notice the same surname appears oin the article - we have some guidance to help editors declare any so called 'conflict of interest' they might have. See WP:COI if you think this might apply to you). If ever you need any help, please come to The Teahouse where we help new users with problems they might encounter whilst editing. All the best, and remember to use an article's talk page if you feel you need to engage another editor in conflict over content. Just avoid getting into WP:EDITWARs, as this just ends up being disruptive for everyone.  Oh, and you've not yet created a userpage. This is not obligatory, but I always think it helps to write something to show other people your interests and rationale for being here. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

User:HeeheeYogen8 is apparently back
User:HeeheeYogen8 is apparently back again.

See User talk:Nick Moyes/Archive 21 above.

It looks your advice on User talk:HeeheeYogen8 lasted for just 3 weeks only. Regards --Uli Elch (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * @Uli Elch Thanks. I've reviewed their edits and tend to agree with you. I have blocked all edits on thei IP's /64 range for a much longer period than normal (3 months) and reset 's block to 6 months from today. I suspect they'll be pretty upset, yet most other admins would probably simply have indeffed them immediately. That will happen next time this occurs, unless they make an unblock request and undertake to edit according to the conditions I explained they would need to meet in future. Thanks for contacting me, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

User:HeeheeYogen8 - 2 new IPs
Good morning. Quite obviously User:HeeheeYogen8 has used another two IPs for new edits, one at a time - see here.

There is something like a range block, a tool to block a range of IPs from the same server. Maybe that would be the only remaining solution to stop him. Regards --Uli Elch (talk) 07:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Uli Elch Hi again. I noticed this last night, but am on a mobile where it’s annoyingly hard to type the /64 at the end of their url to see all their IPv6 edits on their range. Feel free to revert every edit with an edit summary if reverting this user. Hopefully another admin will apply the range block. When I can get access to my laptop I’ll try and sort it(am away on holiday this week). Nick Moyes (talk) 08:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I did it. Hopefully a range block helps, if anybody can install it. Best regards --Uli Elch (talk) 09:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I managed to block the /64 range on my mobile, but can’t view the rest of their ip edits on that range. Perhaps I could leave that to you to revert ? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:04, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative!
Hello Nick Moyes, I was glad to see that you added your signature to the list of supporters of the Sustainability Initiative! Please feel invited to inspire others to do the same – you can also add a user box to your user page. Kind regards, --Gnom (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Gnom Thanks Lukas. It was good to see you speaking at Wikimania. I would be keen to see elements of the Sustainability Covenant pushed out to users who are then able not only to show their support to it, but also be encouraged to sign up to take action as individuals within their own lives. Do I think about how I travel to local events? Do I turn off peripherals at home when not needed? Do I make unnecessary searches, both on Wikipedia or other search engines? Do I even appreciate every search has a carbon cost? I personally think that highlighting these issues to individual Wikipedians would be a very responsible thing to do - let alone those who simply come here as users to browse. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nick, another question. Do you think we could make a change to the opening sentence or paragraph of the Sustainability Initiative page, to make it clear that this is a community-led iniatiative aimed to inspire change at the Wikimedia Foundation, rather than an official WMF programme? Thank you, --Gnom (talk) 06:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @gnom Absolutely! It was not clear to me, so I thoroughly support such an edit. My own view is that, not only should the community be supporting and encouraging the WMF to be sustainable, but we should, as a group of individual Wikimedians, be prepared to show that we will act as sustainably as possible in our own lives. Now, that might be going too far in some  people’s eyes, but to me it seems reasonable to not only ask our parent organisation to take steps to reduce its environmental impact, but to do the same ourselves.
 * Can I ask how many of the ‘community’ have actually engaged with, or are aware of, this initiative? The number of annual sign-ups seems quite low, and if that is all an individual can do to show support, it seems rather limited. So I was wondering what other ideas for active participation and awareness-raising have been considered? Nick Moyes (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added these suggestions in a new section at meta:Talk:Sustainability Initiative - Meta (wikimedia.org) Nick Moyes (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. What I have done is talk to individual contributors who seemed interested in the topic (see here or here), and I have presented the initiative at Wikimedia conferences (see here or here). Happy to discuss other methods! --Gnom (talk) 16:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

sorry
sorry about the problems I am not meaning to cause them.Spaceman6651 (talk) 22:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. A gentle steer at the beginning of one's Wikipedia journey often avoids problems getting out of hand. I'll keep an eye on your edits for you if you like, and let you know gently if there are issues. But give The Wikipedia Adventure a go and get a feel of how we work. It is a serious project, so we have little time for messing around, I'm afraid. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Need Help on Page move
Good day Nick Moyes,

I hope you doing great, I came across your page through a mention you mentioned me in helping me at the Slimcase (singer) page merge which was successful and thanks for explaining and correcting me. Am actually having issues in moving this page to main space and they said it can only be done by a admin meanwhile I have listed a point at the talk page of the article.Draft:DJ Kentalky should be moved to DJ Kentalky --Kikilap4 (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Kikilap4 I am terribly sorry, but I am so busy in real life at the moment that I cannot help you either today or tomorrow. If it's urgent, please ask at the Teahouse where a number of admins are present. Please accept my apologies. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted and thanks for communicating.--Kikilap4 (talk) 00:36, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
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Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

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In reference to @ProtonEnergized...
...Thank you for your time and attention in this issue. I apologize for my ignorance of the regulations of contributing to the site. I was not offended in this issue, but more frustrated by the lack of communication. I am a professional and view things objectively, however we need to keep the human element in mind focused on positive achievement and not be counter productive to our goals. By being conscious our craft and time to realize the big picture and be more effective with our efforts. I realize the enormous effort and time it takes to maintain such a database, and I appreciate immensely you and everyone for that. My "talk" responses to the reversions were to try to better understand the reasons for the action, and to try to nurture beter communication. Wikipedia is a wonderful resource and again I appreciate it with regard. Time is a precious resource, so are your contributors, all should be revered. Let's work with the best of faith to enlighten others. Perpetuating the site and making it (and the world) a better place. ProtonEnergized (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @ProtonEnergized You're welcome! Just ask at the Teahouse if you need any help. I'll also leave you a 'welcome' message on your talk page with a few extra helpful links to various aspects of editing Wikipedia. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-38
<section begin="tech-newsletter-content"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Growth features are now deployed to almost all Wikipedias. For the majority of small Wikipedias, the features are only available for experienced users, to test the features and configure them. Features will be available for newcomers starting on 20 September 2021.
 * MediaWiki had a feature that would highlight local links to short articles in a different style. Each user could pick the size at which "stubs" would be highlighted. This feature was very bad for performance, and following a consultation, has been removed.
 * A technical change was made to the MonoBook skin to allow for easier maintenance and upkeep. This has resulted in some minor changes to HTML that make MonoBook's HTML consistent with other skins. Efforts have been made to minimize the impact on editors, but please ping Jon (WMF) on wiki or in phabricator if any problems are reported.

Problems
 * There was a problem with search last week. Many search requests did not work for 2 hours because of an accidental restart of the search servers.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg The meta=proofreadpage API has changed. The <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> parameter has been renamed to <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . API users should update their code to avoid unrecognized parameter warnings. Pywikibot users should upgrade to 6.6.0.

Future changes
 * The Reply tool will be deployed to the remaining wikis in the coming weeks. It is currently part of "" in Beta features at most wikis. You will be able to turn it off in Editing Preferences.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The previously announced change to how you obtain tokens from the API has been delayed to September 21 because of an incompatibility with Pywikibot. Bot operators using Pywikibot can follow T291202 for progress on a fix, and should plan to upgrade to 6.6.1 when it is released.

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18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft
Hello Nick. I have written two articles about two Iranian musicians, but they are in draft mode . I want to guide me when they will be reviewed and added to the main Wikipedia space.With respect.Musiban (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Galendalia
Consider this the last opportunity to retract your invective before I report it. The reason you don't call people names isn't just that the receiver may feel hurt but that it reinforces the perception among those who see it that this is an environment where it's tolerated or at best you are exempt from its consequences. You just don't do it because it's counterproductive, no matter if you're in good standing with them or how much fault lies with them. Nardog (talk) 00:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . Thank you for dropping by to express your concerns about my comment made to now-blocked editor, - someone who I have supported both on and off-wiki, as you will no doubt have have seen by comments over the last few months on their talk page. Their blocking for sockpuppetry came as both a surprise and a disappointment to me, and I felt it appropriate to let them see on their talk page that I was disappointed in that behaviour whilst pursuing their unblock. I 100% respect your wishes to hold other editors to account for their comments, and to highlight any intentional or unintentional harm that such comments might cause. In fact, I encourage it, as I believe we must all raise standards and demonstrate professionalism. I am disappointed if you think I fell below that standard, or that my comment would be interpreted as a personal attack. It certainly wasn't intended that way- I should explain that my intent in saying "You silly idiot" in my comment, was my alternative way of saying "you chump"; "you daft ha'p'orth", or "you stupid boy, Pike", and to flag up to them that they'd let themselves down and that, in so doing, they'd also been a disappointment to me. As I see  has supported your concerns - which I didn't see myself - I will shortly strike and change the word to a more affectionate and supportive one such as "chump", as that was definitely my meaning and intent. Thank you for taking the trouble to ensure standards amongst all editors are kept as high as possible. Regards from the UK Nick Moyes (talk) 10:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-39
<section begin="technews-2021-W39"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * iOS 15 has a new function called Private Relay (Apple website). This can hide the user's IP when they use Safari browser. This is like using a VPN in that we see another IP address instead. It is opt-in and only for those who pay extra for iCloud. It will come to Safari users on OSX later. There is a technical discussion about what this means for the Wikimedia wikis.

Problems
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some gadgets and user-scripts add items to the portlets (article tools) part of the skin. A recent change to the HTML may have made those links a different font-size. This can be fixed by adding the CSS class <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * The GettingStarted extension was built in 2013, and provides an onboarding process for new account holders in a few versions of Wikipedia. However, the recently developed Growth features provide a better onboarding experience. Since the vast majority of Wikipedias now have access to the Growth features, GettingStarted will be deactivated starting on 4 October.
 * A small number of users will not be able to connect to the Wikimedia wikis after 30 September. This is because an old root certificate will no longer work. They will also have problems with many other websites. Users who have updated their software in the last five years are unlikely to have problems. Users in Europe, Africa and Asia are less likely to have immediate problems even if their software is too old. You can read more.
 * You can receive notifications when someone leaves a comment on user talk page or mentions you in a talk page comment. Clicking the notification link will now bring you to the comment and highlight it. Previously, doing so brought you to the top of the section that contained the comment. You can find more information in T282029.

Future changes
 * The Reply tool will be deployed to the remaining wikis in the coming weeks. It is currently part of "" in Beta features at most wikis. You will be able to turn it off in Editing Preferences. See the list of wikis.

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22:20, 27 September 2021 (UTC)