User talk:NicolasBougaieff

Minimal Techno
Thanks for your contributions, this article certainly needs improving. You added a quote, but there is no reference to the source, if you have it, please take a look at the guidelines regarding referencing: Citing_sources. If you have content to offer from your thesis, it might be preferable to cite the sources you are using, rather than to cite yourself, but this depends. The thesis would also need to be publicly available, it's not really "published" if people can't access it. Semitransgenic talk. 18:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I believe that I entered the reference for the Derrick May quote as (May, B 2007, ‘Techno’, in Burnim, MV & Maultsby, PK (eds.), African American Music, Routledge, New York pp. 331-351.), but I think I did it in a few different edits. First I put in the new paragraph and saved it. Then I couldn't figure out how to enter a reference, and I did it in a second edit. So if you were reviewing my first edit, indeed you would have seen the quote without a reference. The thesis will be publicly available at the University of Huddersfield library, but I am also planning on hosting it on my own website. FWIW, I noticed a bit of a kerfuffle about Sherburne's skeletalism/massification theory. Certainly, those are odd words, but the distinction he tries to describe between the 1990s and the 2000s sound is an important one. Mike Huckaby explains the difference accurately. "The original sound of minimal techno was made by artists like Rob Hood from Detroit, and Basic Channel from Berlin. The minimal sound of today has blended fashion, drugs, and sex into the definition" (Wasacz, W 2010, ‘Detroit State of Mind’, XLR8R, March 17 2010, viewed November 1 2011,  ) --NicolasBougaieff (talk) 08:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * sorry, my mistake, I was indeed looking at the wrong version, ref tag was there, apologies. Ideally the thesis should be available online. Generally, at least in the UK, a university library cannot be accessed by members of the public, they must be students of the relevant institution first. It's just a matter of fact checking, sources cannot be verified if they are inaccessible. The Sherburne stuff (based on what I recollect of that particular essay) relates specifically to the compositional methods employed, skeletalism is a bares bones sound, all the superfluous musical aspects are stripped away, with massificantion there is a gradual layering of simple (minimal) elements to create a denser overall texture, but from a compositional perspective the latter is still quite "minimal" in terms of the musical aspects used (often very simple melodic/harmonic structures, naive in some cases, verging on cheesy if you ask me). The original minimal sound was edgier, funkier, darker. But, this skeletalism\massificantion analysis is only Sherburne's take, it was given prominence in the article because there wasn't much else out there on the topic in published form. Other perspectives would be useful. Semitransgenic  talk. 11:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, you're correct about the distinction, although I presume the article should eschew such value judgements on the artistic merits or lack thereof (i.e. cheesiness). There was some personal attacks in the talk page regarding Phil Sherburne, he's actually well placed to know what he's talking about. He wrote the copy for the Plastikman Arkives boxset, he was living, writing, working and DJing in Berlin for a number of years although I believe he recently moved back to the USA. Perhaps we can find more neutral terms than sketelasim and massificatino, while still referncing his terms. In addition to the Mike Huckaby quote, I have a couple others from other researchers such as Luis-Manuel Garcia and Mathieu Guillien. In my own thesis, I propose a distinction between the early 1990s sound, calling it specifically "Minimal Techno" and the 2000s sound, calling it simply "Minimal" or "Berlin Minimal". Could also call it "Beatport Minimal / Mainstream Minimal". :-) Looks like my thesis defense has been pushed to March 2013 so still a few weeks before I can put the thesis online. I'd been happy to send you an advance PDF copy in the meantime if you like! Lemme know. --NicolasBougaieff (talk) 13:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * the value judgements are my own, no suggestion they would be used in the article : ) I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to techno, I never really got the "Beatport minimalism" thing, very lacklustre compared to some other minimal approaches. I have no problem with Sherburne as a source, I agree re: him being well placed in relation to the subject matter. A distinction between the two eras would be good, if properly sourced, but I think a heading such as "Berlin Minimal" is potentially misleading if you consider the early ties between Berlin and Detroit. "Minimal" appears to be the most commonly used term in fan discourse with respect to the 2000s, so maybe a heading that incorporates that term be better. I'd love to have a look at your thesis, thanks for the offer, send it to my username @gmail.com please. Best  Semitransgenic  talk. 14:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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