User talk:Nicrlove/sandbox

The fat feminism article could elaborate more on body positivism and it's connection to fat feminism. The article could also use more detail in illustrating where fat feminism originated and how it has made it's journey to where it is now. Overall, there could be an improvement in the flow of the article from one piece of information to the next. It is very choppy and sometimes all over the place.Amjfish (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

My article talks about body positivity in woman, and how we need to be more accepting when it comes to female body types. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:C.bernard23&action=edit#

NIC LOVE EDIT IDEAS AND SOURCES

 * Hey! I'm thinking of doing my edits over the intersection of race and fat politics/feminism. I've discussed how fat body politics can be a method of decolonizing the black woman's body in other gender studies classes, but we've never used scholarly sources in those discussions (only blogs and anecdotes). I wanted to challenge myself to see if I could find research on the topic and write about it here!


 * Fat People of Color by Apryl A Williams. (2017). Department of Sociology, Texas A&M University. Posted to SoSci MDPI. I have the PDF for this, but I cannot find a stable link. Link: http://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/6/1/15


 * This is a blog post, so I know it's not allowed. But might help with adding perspective: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/sized-up-fat-feminist-queer-disability


 * The Embodiment of Disobedience: Fat Black Women's Unruly Political Bodies by Andrea Elizabeth Shaw. Link: http://www.jstor.org/stable/23019963


 * Hey Girl, Am I More than My Hair?: African American Women and Their Struggles with Beauty, Body Image, and Hair by Tracey Owens Patton. Link: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4317206


 * Whiteness and the Return of the Black Body by GEORGE YANCY. Link: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25670583


 * Have not read any of these in full yet, but the abstracts look promising! Nicrlove (talk) 06:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

How Fat Ties to Feminism
There are many reasons why people consider fat to be a feminist issue. First, the marginalization women feel simply due to their gender can affect their eating habits in a negative way. Second, the intersection of obesity with race and socioeconomic status represents concerns in regards to environmental policy issues. Relating to this second reason is the idea that women, particularly women of color, are generally more likely to be obese than men because of things such as child rearing and a lack of access to fresh produce and goods. In addition, the mere idea of becoming fat has caused many women to develop an eating disorder that is sometimes detrimental or life altering. Moreover, women may over eat in an attempt to avoid being an object of the male gaze by making them more invisible to men's desires. Lastly, the intersectionality of being fat and being a woman is at the heart of fat feminism because discrimination and prejudice often occur as a result of gender and body type. The points above that connect fatness to feminism revolve around the varying experiences that body type can produce when combined with socioeconomic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, and many other identities.[1 ] Amjfish (talk) 01:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC

Amanda, I think you do a wonderful job of making sure this sounds like an unbiased encyclopedia article! I would suggest expanding on the second point in the second sentence, as it seems broad but with little supporting details. Nicrlove (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I also believe that what Amanda wrote will fit into the article very well and is written in a professional way. You connected the concept in your article very well to our topic. C.bernard23 (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2018 (

How Fat Ties to Feminism
There are many reasons why people consider fat to be a feminist issue. First, the marginalization women feel simply due to their gender can affect their eating habits in a negative way. Second, the intersection of obesity with race and socioeconomic status represents concerns in regards to environmental policy issues. Relating to this second reason is the idea that women, particularly women of color, are generally more likely to be obese than men because of things such as child rearing and a lack of access to fresh produce and goods. In addition, the mere idea of becoming fat has caused many women to develop an eating disorder that is sometimes detrimental or life altering. Moreover, women may over eat in an attempt to avoid being an object of the male gaze by making them more invisible to men's desires. Lastly, the intersectionality of being fat and being a woman is at the heart of fat feminism because discrimination and prejudice often occur as a result of gender and body type. The points above that connect fatness to feminism revolve around the varying experiences that body type can produce when combined with socioeconomic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, and many other identities.

Acceptance of Different Body Types
People view being fat as a real issue, and especially an issue that ties to feminism. First of all, body image is different from a woman’s actual body type. This is a perspective of someone’s body. Women, in general, struggle more with their body image than men in today’s society. This is stemming from adolescence. Girls at a young age now judge each other in such harsh manners that it is inevitable that they will grow up to have body image issues. Now a days, being fat is like committing a crime. The way people look at someone who is overweight is sometimes enough to push someone over the edge. As a society we are not accepting enough of different body types, especially with women. Fat feminism is accepting of all body types and encourages women to be body accepting no matter how they look. C.bernard23 (talk) 21:48, 27 February 2018 (UTC)c.bernard23

Caitlin, I made some minor grammatical changes and helped with a title subsection for your article. You make a very relevant critique of the article in that it should definitely be much more inclusive and detailed. I would work on being a bit more neutral in the way you convey the information. It is obvious that this topic can stir up justified emotions, but for the purposes of the assignment we have to stick to Wikipedia's rules of neutrality. Overall, you've focused on an important aspect of the original article that was in much need of improvement.Amjfish (talk) 23:25, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Caitlin, Like Amanda, I would suggest taking a more neutral and professional tone in your section. The intent of calling for a more inclusive approach is needed, but this might read as abrasive to those who might not know much about fat feminism or body politics! Nicrlove (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Fat Feminism and Women of Color
Women of color experience fatness and the body positivity movement different from white women due to their experiences with racial oppression on top of fatphobia. Women of color often do not view being fat as being synonymous with being unattractive (p5). Fat women of color use their weight and personal style as a way to counter dominant beauty standards that have historically been defined by whiteness (p6). Personal styles include having natural hair or dreads for black women as well as embracing larger and curvier figures (p6). Kwan's research suggests that women of color, as well as communities of color in general, may consider more body types as beautiful than white beauty standards (p6). However, because women of color are often excluded from fat positivity and acceptance movements, many have turned to social media as a way of finding inclusion within the fat feminist movement (p6). Fat women of color resist dominant beauty standards by creating intersectional frameworks for accepting fat women of all identities (p7). Fat women of color also work to resist fetishization by the male gaze or by those giving unwanted health advice while also creating positive and accepting spaces for themselves (p12). Note: I used the Apryl Williams source from above! Nicrlove (talk) 09:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Nicrlove (talk) 06:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Nic,

This is really well articulated in my opinion. I think you do a great job of honing in on one aspect of fat feminism and shining a light on it in a neutral way. You give very well thought out examples for the reader to help them understand the points you are trying to make. I think the only thing missing is the little footnote number at the end of the paragraph. I'm pretty sure Caitlin is the only one in our group who has mastered that so far, so I'll likely be asking her for tips on how to add it into my writing! Overall, this is very useful information to include in the article!Amjfish (talk) 15:21, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I believe this would be a great addition to the fat feminism article! In my opinion, women of color are not recognized when it comes to looking at women as whole. Like you said, beauty goes beyond the white body. As a black woman, I embrace my hair, body shape, and skin color; however, I do not feel as though I am encouraged to do so by society. Your addition of the article would really stand out! Chilogan (talk) 00:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)