User talk:Nightfury/Archives/2016/November

D47817
Hi Nordic, It's probably best not to notify D47817 of SPIs... You're basically telling a sock he's socking, I've removed those notifications - I believe there's an option on Twinkle where you untick the "notify this user" box - The notices are helpful if you're reporting a newbie whom you're not sure about but they're pointless for sock accounts,

BTW Happy Halloween :), – Davey 2010 Talk 22:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - Its a habit... I press the "notify users" every time on Twinkle... Nordic   Nightfury  08:54, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I know it's cool :), We all make the mistake from time to time but figured I'd ask anyway, Thanks/ – Davey 2010 Talk 12:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Jon Asher
Hi there,

I have been working on creating a credible page for Jon Asher but noticed you have nominated for deletion. Can you help here with removing the nomination and assisting in making the songwriter / authors page more credible? I see you do some great work on wikipedia and want to thank you for your contributions! Let me know if we can work together to save this page. What does it need in your opinion? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyofgemini (talk • contribs) 16:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As it is, it fails notability. As he is an upcoming artist, it is worth leaving the subject for a year or two before recreating. I have also moved this off my old talk page - I am not sure why or how you got there in the first place. The page was also recently created (whether by you or another, I haven't the foggiest) however, was recently deleted on the grounds of notability. If you visit the deletion page you will see the first nomination, if you read this you can see the various policies we used to delete the article. The article needs to meet all these policies if it is to be kept.
 * Can I also ask you, having a look at your contribs, we cannot keep articles on the basis of WP:ILIKEIT, I can see that you have been rather defensive regarding the deletion of the last version of the article. Such behaviour wont be tolerated. Nordic   Nightfury  08:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the expansion of information there regarding WP:ILIKEIT - Helps tremendously. We're a group working on this page on behalf of the songwriter, and the main priority is to maintain a truthful and helpful discography, as wikipedia is the best platform for this. We agree that it should be within wiki guidelines. If there was a defensive tone, it was more than likely because the efforts made on this page were treated as if they were not credible at all, based on mere opinion. The songwriter has a large magnitude of credit, it just needs to be supported by stronger sources which can be done. Mere opinion whether a "britney spears" or "aaron carter" song is creditable enough does not seem fair to the author. The content is constantly searched for and asher is credited on physical copies of these albums a la Britney Spears, The Chainsmokers, etc. Would a phyiscal copy of credit of songwriting from a major record label CD be enough? If so, how would we go about crediting such. Thank you again Nordic.

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Declined Speedy Delete Nominations
I just declined a bunch of speedy deletion nominations that you made. You probably should go back and read the policy as most of those I declined had to do with using invalid criterion. The ones I find problematic are: Please be more careful that you are only tagging valid articles with speedy deletion tags. -- GB fan 15:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Capital International Airport, nominated using WP:G6. Two things, first, there was already an inappropriate PROD on the redirect, the policy does not allow the Prodding of redirects, so it should have been removed when you found it. Next, G6 has a very limited range of uses.  It would need to be non-controversial.  A 13 year old redirect is not non-controversial and it does not fit any item under G6.
 * 2) Jaenisch Gambit of the Ruy Lopez, nominated using WP:A7. This is a opening move in chess, that is not an eligible subject under A7.
 * 3) Valdomiro Castilho de Lima, nominated using WP:A7. This is a politician that held a position as a state representative in Brazil.  That is a clear claim to significance.
 * 4) Bombay to Mumbai, nominated using WP:A7. This is an article about a short film.  That is not an eligible subject under A7.
 * 5) List of murder laws by country, nominated using WP:G6 specifically db-disambig. The template you added gives two cases it can be used. Before even getting to the cases, first it has to be a disambiguation page. This is a list.  It fails at that point.  Even if you did consider it a DAB page, it fails both cases.  One requires the title to have (disambiguation) in it.  This doesn't.  The other requires that the DAB page disambiguate zero articles.  This list has 24 entries.

, these were tagged through the Page Curation tool, which did not really label them up correctly - I apologise for any inconvienience. I think, I should label them up using Twinkle than the PC tool in future. Ta for now. Nordic  Nightfury  15:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You are responsible for the use of the Page Curation Tool, do not blame it for your misuse of it. -- GB fan 15:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And thankyou for the edit conflict. I have just lost what I have written, regarding Jaenisch Gambit of the Ruy Lopez..... 15:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, if that is the best explanation you have for those speedy deletion taggings, it might be best for you to not have access to the page curation tool right now. Pinging  who recently added the new page reviewer right to your account.  I am not sure what your last sentence is supposed to mean.  -- GB fan 15:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * , Regardless, all of my edits should be assumed as good faith, I may have mistakenly tagged some for speedy deletion, but others I tagged and checked, such as HST:Health Smile Tree and Rauno Nurger were deemed to be the correct actions. As such, it takes time to learn, so leave it for a few weeks and see what happens. Nordic   Nightfury  15:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I assume they are good faith, but that does not mean they are correct. The incorrect tagging of articles with speedy deletion tags can be very bitey to new editors and that is one of the reasons the use of it is restricted. I am not sure who told you that your review of Rauno Nurger was correct.  There is no credible claim to significance.  Also there should have been additional maintenenance tags added to that article as there is only one primary source on the article and that is not appropriate for a biography of a living person. I have tagged it for A7 speedy deletion.  -- GB fan 15:52, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm an experienced driver and was driving my car downtown in good faith and couldn't  decide whether I wanted to turn left or right at the intersection. While I was making my  mind up, I had an accident. That's what  it sounds like to me.  is one of our most experienced admins on deletion policies and guidelines and what he lists above is correct. Even Twinkle does not have a catch all for cases where there is no direct CSD criterion - so please don't blame the tools. You are patrolling too fast. We have made it abundantly clear that a backlog is better than fast, superficial patrolling. Please review WP:NPP to see everthing one single patrol is supposed to encompass (it ain't a whack-a-mole), and do take your patrolling a lot slower. Above all, don't hesitate to ask for help or advice if you're not sure what to do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Rough translations
I see you tagged Jaenisch Gambit of the Ruy Lopez as being a rough translation from Spanish and that the original article is under "español" in the "languages" sidebar. There aren't any articles for any language in the languages sidebar. Can you tell me the Spanish name of the article so I can link it? -- GB fan 16:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I also see that you tagged Bollywood galiyara as a rough translation. Where is the original page it was translated from? -- GB fan 16:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Help Request
What is the meaning of tagging an article as an orphan, does it mean there are no incoming links from articles, or no incoming links at all? Thanks Nordic   Nightfury  10:18, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * According to WP:ORPHAN, an Orphan article "is an article with no links from other pages in the main article namespace". So if you find a page with no links to it from other articles. that's when you tag an article as an orphan. Hope this helps! Class455 (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Hope you are well! Nordic   Nightfury  10:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm good thanks mate. Just a little cold after going out. Hope you're doing well too :) Class455 (talk) 10:33, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose you can probably see for a few small mistakes you end up getting grilled for something......... Nordic   Nightfury  10:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I was grilled back in February for making a mistake on New Routemaster by reverting someone's edit. I was going to make comment agreeing with your point on the fact that everyone makes mistakes at some point, but now you've brought it up here, i'll say it now. Don't stress too much about it! Class455 (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not... what happens has happened. I've got more pressing matters, fixing industrial boilers!! Nordic   Nightfury  10:41, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

new page reviewer right
As you archived the thread without addressing the concerns and your only explanation was the tool marked the pages incorrectly I have removed the new page reviewer right. You can at your discretion request it back at Requests for permissions/New page reviewer. -- GB fan 10:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The two pages you posted concerns about were either moved or deleted, there was no question to answer; in that respect. Nordic   Nightfury  10:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You could have looked at the redirected one and given me an answer. You also didn't respond to the last part of the first thread, there were comments from both Kudpung and I.  It seems like you still think it is the tools fault.  -- GB fan 10:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * At no point I thought it was the tool's fault. I may have misinterpreted what the tools said, but even so, as many a person have said. mistakes are very easily made. Nordic   Nightfury  10:33, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The only explanation you ever gave was "GB fan, these were tagged through the Page Curation tool, which did not really label them up correctly". You stated that the tool did not label them up correctly.  You never accepted that you mistagged.  I see to many problems and an unwillingness to explain your actions.  -- GB fan 10:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, say for example I tagged something for poor translation through Twinkle, all I get is this:


 * : article is poorly translated and needs cleanup >

Language of article (if known):___ List this article at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English (PNT)


 * As you can see, there is no stipulation, re translating it from another article, in the language I believe it to be in.
 * Another example, ref the Jaenisch Gambit of the Ruy Lopez article - I don't know that the article is referencing a chess move/strategy, to me it is just a load of characters and numbers. Thus, as instinct, I mark it up as A7 under CSD. I see, that having watched the creating authors contribs that another article was created, again to be a chess strategy, etc to be marked as for speedy deletion, again under A7, albeit not by me. If I find fit, then I am within my right to tag it as such; like I said, both articles had a number of characters with no meaning of what they were, until you came along and redirected them.  Nordic   Nightfury  11:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You said that Jaenisch Gambit of the Ruy Lopez was a poor translation of something from Spanish. Either it is a translation from the Spanish Wikipedia or from a Spanish page somewhere else.  If it is a translation and you are marking it as such you have to be able to tell someone where it came from.  If it came from the Spanish Wikipedia it needs to be marked as such so we can comply with attribution requirements.  If came from somewhere else it is probably a copyright violation and should be deleted under WP:G12.
 * Your instinct is wrong. WP:A7 only applies to articles that fall into certain subject areas and if you do not know that you should not be patrolling new pages.  If you read the A7 criterion you will see that it only applies to articles about a real person, individual animal(s), organizations, web content or organized events.  No where does a chess move fall into any of those subject areas.  You are not within your right to mark an article for speedy deletion with a criterion that is not applicable. Someone else marking a page wrong does not absolve you of your responsibility to do it right.
 * You are not helping me be any more confident that you should have the new page reviewer right. You are though confirming my belief that you shouldn't have the right because you do not understand the speedy deletion criterion even after I explained why you tagged things wrong.  -- GB fan 11:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking more at what you said above, if you didn't know what the article was about then the appropriate speedy deletion criterion would have been A1 which applies to articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. When I first looked at that article I had no idea what it was talking about. It took me all of 2 seconds to figure out what it was about as I just copied and pasted Ruy Lopez in the search box and it came up with an article that made sense.  - GB fan 12:06, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Help Request
Is there a specific template to use when starting a renaming suggestion on an article's talkpage? I am planning on renaming Routemaster to AEC Routemaster, as it is its proper name. Thanks Nordic   Nightfury  14:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There is, you can find all the instructions on how to request a move at WP:RM. There are different templates that are used depending on whether it is a non-controversial technical move or one that needs to be discussed.  This looks non-controversial as there has never been a move request in the past, there is someone else who mentions this on the talk page with no one objecting and it is the official name.  I will make the move.  - GB fan 14:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I would've done it myself, but didnt as I thought with such a higly read article, notice shouldd be given.  Nordic   Nightfury  14:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You couldn't move the article as the redirect had extra edits and needed to be deleted prior to the move. If someone objects to the move I will move it back and then a discussion can be started.  You now have the reference on how to start that discussion.  If you follow through with the suggestion on the talk page about making Routemaster a DAB page, we need to make sure all the links to Routemaster are updated to AEC Routemaster prior to changing it to a DAB page.  - GB fan 14:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)