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Perhaps you can help, or guide me
Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria) we have been challenged by the amount of non-free images (although all of them are OK under the fair-use rationale for currency images). I was wondering if you can help me to find out if the Austrian Mint has any copyrights over those images, and if any, if they allow them to be used in Wikipedia. At the end, the article is a good advertising for the mint and every image is linked to their site. I was under the impression that pictures of coins can be used under the fair-use rationale, but the large number of non-free images is what is challenged in the article. Details of the discussion here. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no idea -- but the lack of free images shouldn't really be a problem, if you ask me... — Nightstallion 09:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there are other editors saying that the excess of non-free images is a problem. Did you have same problem when putting together the 2 euro commemorative coin article?  What can be done in this article defense?  One of the editors is even suggesting the complete removal of all images, which for me makes no sense. Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you ask User:Theeuro, who knows a lot about coins and has been able to get a hold of free coin images for my articles. — Nightstallion 09:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did post him the same question, looking forward his answer. Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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Chinese cash
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Faroese update
Gerhard Lognberg, an MP for Javnaðarflokkurin has announced that he no longer supports the Faroese government, leaving it without a majority in parliament. Prime Minister Jóannes Eidesgaard has announced that all options are on the table, including a minority government, new coalition talks and calling elections. Haukur (talk) 10:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks! And why? — Nightstallion 13:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagreement over a proposed tunnel to Sandoy. Haukur (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mh. Well. I'd have considered the political status or civil unions or something like that, but a simple matter like this... — Nightstallion 14:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you can guess which island Gerhard Lognberg is from :) Tunnel-politics are a big deal in the Faroes, they've spent vast resources on tunnels. Of course now we could potentially get a new coalition with different policies on a range of issues. But I'd prefer not making predictions - I was way off last time around :) Haukur (talk) 17:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Refresh my memory, would you -- what did you predict as opposed to we got? And thanks a lot for keeping me up-to-date, much appreciated! — Nightstallion 17:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it would be impossible for them to form a coalition without Fólkaflokkurin - and then they did! Haukur (talk) 17:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I recall now. Maybe we'll get a completely pro-independence coalition this time... ;) — Nightstallion 18:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That seems like a definite possibility. For now speculation seems to be centered on the current coalition limping along as a minority government, possibly by making some concessions to Sjálvstýrisflokkurin in return for them not supporting a no-confidence vote. Haukur (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll continue to hope for independence then. ;) — Nightstallion 18:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Congo Senate election
I'll look tonight and see if I can find anything about that. Everyking (talk) 03:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Nightstallion 12:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

your message
hi there,

the only thing that comes into my mind is to use Flickr. I will see what I can find, but this can take some time... Gryffindor 12:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. They needn't be completely free images, I think I found some of Faymann, but I couldn't figure out the precise license... — Nightstallion 12:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just took a look here to find for Creative Commons licenses. There are tons of pictures of Faymann, unfortunately they are not free to use for Commons, see here . It would be a good idea maybe to write to the party centrals and ask them for free images to be used for the Commons. If you don't want to use the Commons, you can always upload them onto the Wiki itself as a press-shot or maybe even use a book-cover (if nothing else works). I started Werner Faymann, sorry if I am not able to help much on the images here. If you have some time, maybe take some quick photos of any election posters (without the face of someone though) and you can upload them here .  Gryffindor  12:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Under what license should I upload images I get from other sources to Wikipedia? And yeah, I plan to take images of as many election posters as I can, preferably all of them. — Nightstallion 12:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, the best would obviously be if they completely relinquish rights, making it a public domain photo that anyone can use. In that case even uploading it on the Commons should not be a problem. Most images of Faymann on Flickr are Creative Commons, which means they are allowed to be even used for commercial purposes, however they do not allow the image to be modified, which is bad. Get a written permission from them, which has to be send to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org, see here . Further options are here Upload. Basically the author/party has to give explicit permission in writing, or use promotional photo from an advertisement, press kit, or other promotional source (which can be difficult though) or use a magazine cover. Which license to use is explained in the upload scrolldown menu that you follow. If you are still not sure go to Media copyright questions. Gryffindor  13:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've sent e-mails to Dinkhauser, ÖVP and SPÖ now. Let's see whether we get some free images or not. — Nightstallion 13:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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Estonian United Left Party
You asked me to see what dates the newspost mentions. Its first sentences can be translated as "On 11-13 July 2008, the Estonian United Left Party organized its summer days (or offsite brainstorm+recreation for an organization, usually in the countryside - Ahtih) on the shore of Peipsi lake in Uusküla, so that the members of two united parties could meet each other. About a hundred people participated from both parties that joined their forces on 28 June". So the 28 June date seems to be correct. Myself I do not follow media much and have not even heard of the existence of either of the parties! Ahtih (talk) 08:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing the date up -- so I suppose that means the merger did take place. Thanks a lot! — Nightstallion 10:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Austrian election
The election seems to be very exciting, isn't it? Many parties, many important comebacks (Schmidt, Haider...)! What I don't understant is why FPÖ and LIF are so low in the polls... I thought that with Haider and Schmidt they would easily surpass the thresholds... In general, what is your forecast as of mid August? --Checco (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Schmidt isn't that well-known among the younger population, and the BZÖ (not FPÖ) and Haider are mostly only popular in Carinthia... I suspect the SPÖ slightly in front of the ÖVP, FPÖ slightly under 20, Greens around 12.5, BZÖ around 5, LIF very around 3.5 and Dinkhauser around 4. — Nightstallion 20:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I wrote by mistake FPÖ in place of BZÖ. I was referring to the latter, off course. Thank you for the information and let me know if something important happens. For now, I would like to help you to improve the article about the election. I posted a message there... --Checco (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Would LIF get any seats at the regional or constituency level with 3.5%? --Checco (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Highly unlikely, they'd need over 20% in Vienna... — Nightstallion 20:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's hope that that 3.5% becomes 4%, then... --Checco (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you upload the symbol of The Libertarians from http://www.die-freiheitlichen.com/ and that of the Union for South Tyrol from http://www.unionfs.com/index.php? Thank you. --Checco (talk) 11:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you did not read the post above... can you upload the two logos? --Checco (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. Sure, I can, but why don't you do it? It's not difficult. :) — Nightstallion 10:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I uploaded many images into Wikipedia, but sometimes I am not able to do it. That's why I ask for your help. Sorry if this bothers you and thank you for your help. --Checco (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't see the two logos in the articles. Where are the images you uploaded? --Checco (talk) 12:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because I meant "yes, I can, but why don't you?"; I've done it now, though. — Nightstallion 12:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Now you know why. I don't ask when I am able to do it by myself. For example I did not ask you anymore of translating those articles from de.Wiki, as I tried to do it alone, using s good Italian source and Google.translate. Thank you so much, anyway. --Checco (talk) 12:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Gladly. — Nightstallion 12:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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EU inclusion in lists of countries
Hey Nightstallion, have you checked out Talk:European_Union/inclusion_in_lists_of_countries since the debate was concluded?72.27.24.167 (talk) 18:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Austrian legislative election, 2008
Could you please remove the posters now- the consensus on the talk page is clear. J Milburn (talk) 12:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd still like to find a compromise solution (like the one I proposed), but if that's not possible, I accept that I'll have to give in. — Nightstallion 12:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Searching for a compromise is fine- the images do not have to be in the article while we search for it. The consensus seems to be that one for each party is fine, and the one that is retained needs to be smaller in size. After they have been removed, we can continue to discuss the possibility of another compromise. J Milburn (talk) 12:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use images
I'm a little alarmed that you're an administrator and so obviously unfamiliar with this (major) area of our encyclopedia, and so I thought I'd just remind you of a few of our policies. Firstly, all non-free media need a fair use rationales- you've uploaded some images without them, such as this. Also note that these rationales need to be fairly detailed, and so, for instance, the rationale you have provided here is pretty shoddy. It's also worth noting that images need a licensing tag, and should be deleted if one is not provided- an edit like this, when not providing a licensing tag and especially when not providing an edit summary is a massive no-no, and I know for a fact that if I saw someone doing that, I would be undoing with an angry edit summary, and if it was done again, I would be on their talk page explaining the issue and threatening to block if they continued to remove tags without addressing the tag's concerns. After taking a cursory glance through your upload log and seeing the awful way that you were abusing (and even trying to defend abuse of) fair use images on Austrian legislative election, 2008 I would, if I was eligible, (I'm not in the category myself) be calling for the recall of your admin privileges, and that's something I've never even considered before. I do not have an issue with admins having no experience in the field (I know and respect a lot of admins who hate dealing with images) but failing to correctly use non-free images on even the most simplistic level is really not acceptable. I recommend you take a thorough read of our guidelines on non-free content and are much, much more careful with uploading and using non-free content in future. J Milburn (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the warning. Let it be noted, though, that the restrictions surrounding non-free images tightened extremely a while after I became an administrator, and as I never really dealt too much with that area of Wikipedia I did not want to have to keep up with the rather rapid changes that seemed (to me) to be coming weekly; as it seems that the guidelines for fair use are set in stone now (not that I necessarily agree with them, but my bad luck), I'll try to keep up. Thanks again. — Nightstallion 20:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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Elections
that's unfortunate, the only best bet you have is to try to take some pictures (of election posters with no photo of a person) and upload them on the Commons, or try to go to a party events or have a friend or so try to take some pictures. Gryffindor 11:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll try to find people who can take photos, but it's really annoying. sighs — Nightstallion 13:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Mongolia elections
If you read German, you can try. As I understand it, the election results from Khentii (3 seats for MPRP) are now official, but those for Dornod (2 seats MPRP, 1 seat DP) and for Bayangol duureg (1 MPRP, 2 DP, one for Civil Coalition [not to be confused with Civil Will]) still are not official. Yaan (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you've got it exactly right. — Nightstallion 13:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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List of EU states by accession
I just found out that the page List of European Union member states by accession is removed and replaced by sections on Enlargement of the EU and Future EU Enlargement. But I can not find big parts of the original page (the bottom table, much of the text for future prospects and failed enlargements), additionaly I prefer the common page as it was before... I see that there has passed much time after the removal with no action from your side. On the talk page there is no big discussion about it, only 2-4 comments (big, but not much in number). Is there any procedure/policy/whatever that we can engage so that this useful page is restored? (or at least ALL of its contents)? Alinor (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * shrugs I've got a copy at User:Nightstallion/List of European Union member states by accession, but apart from that, I don't really know. — Nightstallion 17:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I restored it and added some comments on the discussion page. Please check if the version, that I have restored to, is the most recent one (or just update it). Alinor (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * uf, they deleted it again... and stating "no information is lost"?!? Anyway, I will try to merge the two tables as described in my post on the discussion page - and I hope that then maybe more people will be happy with the article and stick to non-removal... Alinor (talk) 08:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck... — Nightstallion 08:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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Freedom Party of Austria
I noticed that in the posters the Freedom Party of Austria is described as die Soziale Heimatpartei. Does this reflect an actual change in party ideology since the departure of Haider and his Alliance for the Future of Austria? It is correct to say that it has transformed from a nationalist/national-liberal party into a nationalist/national-conservative party, while Haider's party is a nationalist/national-liberal party? --Checco (talk) 13:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not at all. The "third camp" (drittes Lager, = FPÖ and BZÖ and sympathisants) has always designated itself as patriotic (=nationalist) and social, and Haider continues to do so. You'll find next to no liberal ideas in either of the two parties programs. — Nightstallion 13:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But, is it correct to say that since the takeover of Haider in 1986 the party tried to woo the working class? In a book I'm reading the authors write that until 1986 the party'support was based on the middle class... So we can say that now both parties support a mix of populist and neo-liberal policies. Is that correct? --Checco (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Before Haider, the FPÖ mainly consisted of former Nazis and sympathisants (majority) and liberals/reformists (minority). With Haider in the lead, the reformists left together with Schmidt in 1993 and the party began to reorient itself as a populist "party of the little/simple man" (Partei des kleinen Mannes). Neo-liberal... Well, the BZÖ a bit, the FPÖ not at all, I suppose. The FPÖ is a bit more xenophobic, but all together, both of them want to keep the "big bad globalisation" away from the "simple citizens". — Nightstallion 13:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, that is also my personal view. Thanks and sorry for my frequent questions. --Checco (talk) 14:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad to answer them. — Nightstallion 14:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me please?
On your user page you have made your contents menu disappear, please will you tell me how to do that. Regards Ijanderson (talk) 15:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Use . — Nightstallion  15:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much ;) Ijanderson (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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National Alliance
I'm very sorry for bothering you. An IP continues to revert my edits to National Alliance (Italy), despite I have long accepted many things he asked me to insert (a section about some remarks of AN senior members, more sources and s). Particularly he continues to delete sourced statements and to insert "cryptofascism" as the party's ideology. I'm looking for your help as an administrator. I think that all his last edit is to be reverted, but if you are able to find a better compromise than the last version I edited it's fine for me. --Checco (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Your protection of fascist lies
The National Alliance (Italy) is a fascist party, please stop protecting their lies. To describe this party as "conservative" is beyond a joke given recent statements by its leadership. --84.65.193.186 (talk) 15:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Faroe update
The Faroese coalition government has fallen apart. Future unclear. Haukur (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Over the tunnel issue? What are the most likely possibilities, early elections or a new coalition? Thanks for the update! — Nightstallion 16:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Over a lot of things - the final straw was some seemingly quite petty issue over the use of an office building. I haven't seen early elections discussed - I think we're just going to get the usual poker game where they try to form a new coalition with the existing parliament. Currently looks like a unionist coalition is more likely. Haukur (talk) 18:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. Does that mean the constitutional referendum is cancelled, too? — Nightstallion 08:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question, I haven't seen that addressed. Currently, negotiations are taking place between Javnaðarflokkurin, Fólkaflokkurin and Sambandsflokkurin. Haukur (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that just the coalition which was in office before the election...? That would be a moderately unionist coalition then, as Fólkafl. is pro-independence? — Nightstallion 09:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Catholic social teaching
"Christian social" does not mean too much: in some contexts (Italy) it is a synonim for "Christian leftist", in some others (Germany) it has a more conservative meaning. Catholic social teaching includes all the Church's views about the man and life, notably inclunding opposition to abortion, opposition to euthanasia, opposition to gay rights and so on. I don't know what are the ideological differences between Austrian parties, but it is defintely incorrect to link any party to Catholic social teaching because it is not an ideology and it is probably supported more convincingly by the chirstian-conservative The Christians. I have no ideas about what link we should use instead, but, from a Catholic point of view, it is fairly incorrect to distinguish the three Catholic-inspired parties of Austria on Catholic social teaching. It is probably a source of inspiration for all three. The fact that the Catholic doctrine is labelled "social" does not mean anything more than it is the Catholic teaching regarding society. Esepcially if FITZ is "Christian-social" in the sense that it is to the left of the People's Party, we should use something very different as link because the Catholic social teaching is the traditional (and in some way conservative) teaching of the Church, not its progressive incarnation. --Checco (talk) 14:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

For similar reasons, as conservative Christianity is a theological current of Christianity and not an ideology, I would replace Christian conservative with Christian conservative, Christian conservative or Social conservative. All these links are not perfect, but they are far more precise than the one which is currently used to describe The Christians. --Checco (talk) 14:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good points, okay. — Nightstallion 15:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for listening to my remarks. I like the changes you made to the article, even if I would have probably chose Christian conservative for The Christians, but I understand that religious right can be misleading American. What do you think about it? --Checco (talk) 08:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gladly! — Nightstallion 08:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Great! If you have some time I would like to ask you about the election itself. Looking at the polls it seems that at least six parties will enter the National Council. In that case, with these poll numbers, what would be the most plausible coalitions? --Checco (talk) 08:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not all that sure the LIF will make it, but I hope so. Either way, the only possible coalitions are either SPÖ-ÖVP (highly likely), ÖVP-FPÖ-BZÖ (possible, but unlikely) or SPÖ-FPÖ-BZÖ (very unlikely). The Greens will never work together with FPÖ or BZÖ, SPÖ-GRÜNE-LIF doesn't have a majority even if LIF makes it into parliament. An SPÖ minority government could also happen, but I doubt Faymann would choose that over a grand coalition, so I expect we'll get more of the same. — Nightstallion 08:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. A grand coalition is a very strange outcome, also because the last one failed, leading the country to the polls again. Anyway, I understand that with that rise of the extremes (I noticed that Haider experienced a rise in the polls) it is very difficult to form a government. How are so popular Strache's and Haider's parties? Austria is well-know for its consensus-oriented policies, but now also for having the largest far-right...
 * Regarding the other issue, would you accept Christian conservative ? --Checco (talk) 08:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Austrian preference for grand coalition stems from the time after the war, when the socialists and the Christian democrats (= the employees and the employers, the so-called Sozialpartnerschaft, "social partnership") had to work together to rebuild Austria and establish its place in the world. Especially in wage negotiations, the result was often negotiated before the political parties even started to get involved, as the employers and the unions presented their compromise result to the parties.
 * The rise of the right is mostly attributable to Haider's brand of xenophobic populism, which Strache has copied perfectly. The grand coalition parties are doing little to argue against the idiotic tirades of the right that foreigners are destroying Austrian culture, are all criminals, steal our jobs, ... (slightly exaggerated, but very much along those lines). People who're afraid tend to vote for parties with simple solutions (there was a study about that recently -- people were shown frightening images; those who were less afraid were more likely to vote for liberal and social parties, while those who were more easily scared tended to vote for conservative and nationalist parties), and people are disillusioned with the two big parties due to the failure of this coalition (mostly due to the ÖVP's obstruction, if you ask me) so that's where the ~25% for the right-wing parties come from. — Nightstallion 08:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding the link... Maybe you're right, fair enough. — Nightstallion 08:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand. I'm often sick of Italian politics, but in this case I feel lucky that Italian mainstream centre-right and centre-left parties, with all their highs and lows, are very good at avoiding the rise of exremist parties... Coming back to Austria, I think that the best would be a government coalition with only one of the two big parties. In this way the extremes could loose votes (as actually happend with Haider's party in 2002) and a sort of bipolarism could emerge. Do you agree with me? Do you think that Austria need some electoral reform? --Checco (talk) 09:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the rest of Europe would argue that both communists and AN/LN are extremists, but I know Italians tend to see that differently. Either way, I'd prefer a coalition with only one of the two big parties, too, yeah. I don't think electoral reform is necessary, but I would like a chance to a system in which voters can actually decide which candidates from a party they'd like to see elected -- while Austria currently *does* have a system of preferential votes, it's never had any effect so far. I also wouldn't be opposed to MMP or another mixed system, but I don't think it's necessary. — Nightstallion 09:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I personally think that the electoral system is part of the Austria's problem since it does not make easy for alternative parties/coalitions to compete for government. In this sens I feel that a new grand coalition is a sort of failure of the system. In what sense Austria has a system of preferential votes but it has never had any effetc so far?
 * The difference between AN/LN and Austrian far-right parties is that AN/LN are not only perceived as mainstream parties, but that they have a coherent set of principles and policies and in fact especially LN tends to be very popular in government and thus to gain more votes thanks to incumbency. As a slogan, I would say that Austrian far-right parties are protest parties uneasy with governemt, while AN/LN (although very different between them) are government-fit parties.
 * There is a system of preferential votes for the regional and state constituencies, but due to the high amount of preference votes required for it to have an effect on the order of candidates, it's never had an effect as far as I can remember.
 * Well, that may be the case, yeah. — Nightstallion 09:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for your precious explanation. We'll see what happens next Sunday and after... --Checco (talk) 09:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * nods — Nightstallion 09:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Agrarian parties
C mon and I started the list of agrarian parties. If you feel that some important parties are missing, add them! Moreover I would like to ask you what do you think about moving Nordic Agrarian parties to Nordic agriarian parties (I will start soon a tak in talk page). --Checco (talk) 11:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. — Nightstallion 12:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you mind to state your opinion in Talk:Nordic Agrarian parties and Talk:List of agrarian parties, thank you. --Checco (talk) 12:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Images' licensing
I have some problems with images' licensing. A bot removed the symbols of Liga Veneta and Lega Lombarda from Lega Nord's article. The problem is that the images of the "national" (=regional) sections of the party are both owened and used by the "national" sections and the federal party itself. Do you know how can I explain this in the images' pages and to fix the problem? --Checco (talk) 08:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You have to put another fair use template on the page explaining that it's also used in the LN article, not only in the LV/LL article. — Nightstallion 08:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this correct? --Checco (talk) 08:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, exactly. — Nightstallion 09:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I don't know what I would do without you, dear friend... --Checco (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help! :) — Nightstallion 09:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Austrian legislative election, 2008
I was just wondering why the above-referenced article refers to the poll having "closed" when the election is scheduled for this coming Sunday. I changed it "close", but you reverted me, so I figured you could tell me. -Rrius (talk) 09:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a big thing, it's just that the article is already written looking onto it from after the election (to save me the prospect of having to go through 250 KiB changing all the tenses from present to past), but if you prefer to have that one sentence in present tense for now, I've got no problem with it. — Nightstallion 09:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Elections, shmelections...
Hey, 'stallion, apparently there's an election or some such going on in Austria. Heard anything about it? :->. No, seriously, nice work on t'thing, tho' you'll have your work cut out tidying it up after all the fuss has died down (how big is that page now?). Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * More than 200 KiB, I think.
 * And you can't imagine how upset I am about the result. — Nightstallion 10:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Know what u mean...international finance is in meltdown, far-right parties have over 30% of the seats in Austria (ouch!), the Irish are nitpicking Lisbon to death, the House Republicans just shat on the bill because - hey - it's not like it's important or anything, the third biggest bank in Iceland just flatlined, and Paul Newman just died. It's usually the sign of a cultured mind to start quoting Yeats at this point ("...things cannot hold..."), but I find impersonating Egon from Ghostbusters ("...basically, all the worst parts of the Bible...") works just as well (altho you have to do it very, very, deadpan). Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * nods — Nightstallion 07:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Iraq flag
Hi, who told you the contest closed and 50 designs were submitted? Moko123 (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Associated Press. — Nightstallion 17:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Glad to hear it! :) — Nightstallion 17:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Collapsing templates
Could you help me out with Template:ElectionsCA? It’s gotten quite long and I would like to have it be collapsible, but I have no idea what to do. – Zntrip 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mh. I'm not sure that's possible with sideline templates... If it is, I'm not good enough at wikimarkup to do it, I'm afraid, sorry! — Nightstallion 19:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Too bad, thanks anyway though. If you know of anyone (other than Chochopk, who seems to be away from Wikipedia) who might be willing and able to help, I would appreciate it. On an unrelated note, I think your opinion would be welcomed at here. – Zntrip 20:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If I can think of anyone, I'll let you know. — Nightstallion 07:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Reminder RSM
As asked, I remind you of the deleted images of Sammarinese parties' logos. See User talk:Checco for the list. --Checco (talk) 08:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Something's fishy with Image:Logo PPDS.jpg (you'll have to reupload that one), but it's all done. — Nightstallion 08:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. --Checco (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Tsvangirai
Sorry, I can't keep up with this stuff very well because I don't use a watchlist and sometimes I forget to check on things. No, he's only designated as Prime Minister; hasn't been sworn in. It's not even 100% clear that the deal is going to hold and his swearing in is going to happen, considering the difficulties they're having in deciding on a Cabinet. Everyking (talk) 19:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * nods Just wanted to check. I'll try to keep other users from prematurely swearing him in. — Nightstallion 19:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Dublin by-election
No idea, I'm afraid. You'd need to aske a regular editor of the Fianna Fáil article, I suppose. --Red King (talk) 19:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. — Nightstallion 07:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

United Nations Security Council election, 2008
Any idea how the voting works? See the talk page. – Zntrip 03:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Cactions tool
Nightstallion, just to inform you, I've released a long-overdue upgrade to the cactions tool, which you should be able to see already (Ctrl-F5 if not). The tool should still work just as before, although you no longer need the ctIsAdmin variable; see User:Haza-w/Caction tool for the documentation. If you find any bugs or have any queries or feature requests, please get in touch. Thanks, and enjoy! haz (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

State governments
Hi Nightstallion. Is this correct? Was Haider supported by the Social Democrats? How was that possible? What kind of agreement the two parties had? Reading de.Wiki, I understood that many States are governed by three-party coalition, including the Social Democrats, the People's Party and the Freedom Party (or the Greens or, in the case of Carinthia, Haider's party). Why this happens?

If all of this is correct, Nordsieck's website is completely wrong. We should write to Nordsieck and tell him to correct that page...

Do you know where I can find the composition of Austrian State governments since 1945? --Checco (talk) 18:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it's completely different. Half the Austrian states (five of nine) have a system called Proporz (roughly equals "proportionality"), under which all parties are assigned a number of offices in the state government according to their voting share. This has nothing to do with who actually governs (for instance, in Upper Austria there's an ÖVP-Green government, but the SPÖ nonetheless has to have their share of state ministerial offices). Regarding state governments since 1945, sorry, I don't really know. — Nightstallion 18:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So, Nordsieck is correct (but where did he got that data? how can I understand who is actually part of the goverment and who has only ministerial offices?)... and why in Carinthia, only the Social Democrats have ministerial posts and the People's Party not? --Checco (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nordsieck is absolutely correct, and even identifies the Proporz states with "proportional" in the government line; BTW, Vienna is a special case, as it's de iure proportional, but the non-SPÖ state ministers do not have actual functions.
 * Well, it's quite easy -- those parties which are governing together are the government, of course...
 * Because the ÖVP is barely even in existence in Carinthia. — Nightstallion 18:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, but how can I can distinguish a party is part of the government from a party which simply holds ministerial offices? Nordsieck does not tell that Upper Austria has an ÖVP-Green government... --Checco (talk) 18:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * shrugs They signed a coalition agreement, they are passsing laws together, the SPÖ is railing against them. I think it's pretty clear who's in government and who's in opposition. — Nightstallion 19:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, but for an non-Austrian doing some research in the Internet... thanks, anyway! --Checco (talk) 19:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Italian Social Movement
Hi Nightstallion, I would like to make you think abou moving Italian Social Movement–National Right to Italian Social Movement. Even if MSI-DN was the official name during the last years of existance of the party, no-one in Italy actually refers to the party as MSI-DN but simply as MSI.

I think it is the typical case of Wikipedia:Most common name: in fact many Italian political parties have or had complicate and long names, but they are or were referred to simply with the shortened name. Examples? For current parties: the Italian Radicals, whose complete name would be "Italian Radicals. Liberal, Liberist and Libertarian Movement, Constituent Member of the Transnational Radical Party", Union of Christian and Centre Democrats, which should be "Union of Christian Democrats and Centre Democrats", Democratic Left, whose complete name would be "Democratic Left. For Socialism", and Lega Nord, which sould be "Lega Nord for the Independence of Padania". For former parties/coalition: The Olive Tree, which was actually named "The Olive Tree–Together for Italy" and Republican Left, whose complete name should have been "Republican Left–Republicans for the Unity of the Democratic Left". --Checco (talk) 10:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mh. Maybe...
 * BTW, regarding the above: The ÖVP does have one member of government. — Nightstallion 15:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, even I noticed that the People's Party has a member of the Carinthian government. Thanks.
 * Regarding the MSI, what does "maybe" mean? Is it something we can discuss and decide together? --Checco (talk) 17:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking about it; I suppose you're right. — Nightstallion 22:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, there is no hurry about it... think! --Checco (talk) 14:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. --Checco (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Gladly. — Nightstallion 17:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Iceland/EU update
Latest poll shows 68.8% in favor of applying for EU-membership. I still think the current parliament has no mandate to apply for membership and will not do so. The next elections are scheduled for 2011 but early elections are certainly possible and have been discussed. Haukur (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks! — Nightstallion 11:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote up some more on this at Talk:Iceland_and_the_European_Union. There's a lot of polling data if someone wants to make graphs. Haukur (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thanks. Maybe we'll really see Iceland and Denmark, possibly even Sweden, make some moves in the next two years... — Nightstallion 16:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

SNK European Democrats
So how many seats has SNK European Democrats got in the 2008 Senate? Is it 2 as per this, or 1 as per this...:-) Sorry to dump this on you BTW, but I've tried to reconcile the figures and my brain exploded. Apols, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is with the identification in the caucuses or by nominating parties; after a bit of research, I think I've corrected it. — Nightstallion 09:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Politics
Hi Nightstallion. I just saw the Macedonia box you have; Nice :-D. By the way, what do you think about freeing Europe's last dictatorship? Cheers,  Balkan Fever  09:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, though I'm not sure it'S Europe's last. (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Russia...?) — Nightstallion 09:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I think Belarus is in a much better position to improve than the others, especially compared to the Central Asian dictatorships.  Balkan Fever  10:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope so, but I'm sceptical... — Nightstallion 10:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, but aren't you sceptical about Burma and Tibet too? Ukraine have had their revolution; Belarus' time will come.  Balkan Fever  10:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True enough, yeah. — Nightstallion 16:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, could you elaborate on your Macedonia views? Balkan Fever  10:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Greece is being a bit ridiculous about the name issue, and I condemn the Greek government's attempts to neglect the existence of Slavic-speaking minorities in northern Greece, but at the same time I don't see what big damage is done if Macedonia calls itself Northern Macedonia instead if it's such a big deal to the Greeks. — Nightstallion 16:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with "Northern Macedonia" for the country name either, but Greece does not recognise the existence of the Macedonian ethnicity. If "Northern Macedonia" were the name of the state, I guess the citizens in general would be "Northern Macedonians", but the majority ethnic group must remain "Macedonians" (or "ethnic Macedonians", even "Slavic Macedonians" if disambiguation is really needed) as this is what they call themselves. Similarly, the Macedonian language cannot become "Northern Macedonian" (who speaks "Southern Macedonian"?). That is where the problem lies.  Balkan Fever  06:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell, country: Northern Macedonia, citizens: Northern Macedonians, main ethnic group and language: Slav(o)Macedonian(s). I think Greece would accept that. Why won't Skopje? · ΚΕΚΡΩΨ · 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Parts of the Macedonian political scene are willing to accept the compromise... — Nightstallion 12:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Only for the country name. Not for the language and ethnicity.  Balkan Fever  02:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I think. Tito saw that he had to do something to make sure the Bulgarians in southern Yugoslavia wouldn’t try to secede. So the Macedonian identity was created along with a wealth of pseudohistory about a Slavic Macedonian identity. To the Greeks it really comes down to protecting their own cultural identity. The perception is that an entire country is attempting to historically align itself with an ancient Hellenic state, which is had nothing to do with. – Zntrip 01:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, that may well be the fact, but it is also a fact that the Macedonians now largely self-identify in that way, and seeing as how nearly *ALL* historic reference-taking is utter bullshit, I don't really mind who claims to be descended from the Macedons of old... ;) Protecting cultural identity is nice and all, but I don't really see where the big problem lies with having two regions with the same name (see Luxembourg and Luxembourg, for instance, and loads of similar examples). Either way, Northern Macedonia seems to be a viable compromise for the country name. — Nightstallion 09:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! :) — Nightstallion 12:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Deletions in it.Wiki
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South African Democratic Congress
Heya Nightstallion. I'm confused. Why was my (I admit, awful) early morning stub deleted? doktorb wordsdeeds 20:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a longer article with a descriptive title (2008 proposed split from the ANC, something like that), and Toussaint had redirected your stub to this longer article; I moved the longer article to the currently proposed name and only saw that I'd be moving it over a redirect with some minor history, so I had no problems with deleting the redirect out of the way... Hope that's okay? — Nightstallion 08:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. I spotted the news story that morning so tapped out what I could before getting the bus =). Cheers for the info doktorb wordsdeeds 17:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Gladly! — Nightstallion 17:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Am I allowed to canvass support for a DYK? Specifically, this one? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you ask me: yeah... ;) — Nightstallion 08:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

National Union/NRP merger
Yes, I saw that, although only because User:Nudve added it to Moledet and a few other pages. Will be interesting to see what happens to Hatikva (political party), as that was only formed recently. Thankfully, the list is doing badly in the polls. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  18:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the polls are predicting a 60-60 tie between left and right - not sure who that's best for - I suspect slightly for the left, because the two options for coalitions are effectively Likud, Yisrael Beiteinu, National Union, UTJ and Shas on the right and Labor, Kadima, Meretz, Gil or the Greens and the Arab parties on the left. Although Arab parties are never included in coalitions, none of the "left" parties are likely to join the right-wing coalition, whilst Shas or UTJ could join a left-wing coalition for the right amount of money (increases in child support, which many of their voters live off because they don't work). Shas might be difficult due to their objections over Jerusalem, so it may come down to being a minority left-wing coalition supported by the Arab parties.
 * As for Labor, basically they're ideologically bankrupt - Barak is widely regarded as a failure with no scruples (e.g. not resigning after the Winograd report), and there seems to be no socialist edge to the party now Peretz, Yachimovich and Braverman have been largely sidelined. They've also lost some major people like Efraim Sneh (who formed Yisrael Hazaka), and there are rumours that some of their Arab members could break away to form a new party too. If they got rid of Barak, got Ophir Pines-Paz (who resigned from the cabinet over Yisrael Beiteinu being added to the coalition) in charge and brought Peretz et al back to the fore, then they'd be rejuvenated, but I can't see it happening. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  22:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Mh, too bad, I liked Labour most, from what I've read of Israeli politics. Well, no, actually, I suppose Meretz-Yachad is even more to my liking... But you think Kadima will be the ruling party again after the election? I'm afraid Likud might win and destroy most hopes of progress within the next few years... — Nightstallion 23:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Israeli poll
Not sure as to the reliability of the poll you just added, the main reason being that it gives a party one seat, which is impossible according to election rules (the electoral threshold equals two seats)... пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  22:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, and the total is only 114 -- still, we can't pick and choose which polls we want, that wouldn't really be objective, would it? — Nightstallion 22:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Israeli left
No, no more details - its all very vague at the moment - it will be more of an umbrella group, led by Meretz, and including other very small parties - possibly Meimad, and a new Green Party (not the main one) - I guess it will be similar to the old Democratic Movement for Change which was formed around a core of the Shinui party, but attracted lots of others to it. Hopefully it'll do well - in any sane country Meretz would probably be the ruling party! пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  22:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it'll be more successful, yeah... I absolutely agree with you, but as I'm from Austria, I wouldn't really know how people in sane countries vote. sighs Anyway, could you be so kind as to let me know when there are any further developments with NU-NRP, the new left party or anything else? Thanks! — Nightstallion 22:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The new right wing party has a name - and an article - Jewish Home. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  13:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information! — Nightstallion 18:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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PRC faction
The Ernesto is a faction within the PRC and The Ernesto article is about the faction. Unfortunately L'Ernesto is also a magazine and, despite the fact that the article is only about the faction, Soman has twice moved the article to L'Ernesto (Italian name). For uniformity with all the articles about Italian party factions I would like to have the article with the title translated in English. That's why I'm asking you to move the article to its original title. Obviously if Soman wants to create an article about the magazine he's free to do it. --Checco (talk) 18:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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Kubilius
I trust your judgment, but where does your source say he's taking office on 27 November? I can't find it. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It says something like "the parliament will vote on him on Thursday", which is 27 November; the approval vote is the time when he takes office. — Nightstallion 16:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was looking specifically for "27 November". Thanks. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just re-read it and it says, "The Seimas intends to vote for Kubilius' candidacy for the post of prime minister on Thursday. The 15th Government will start working after the Seimas approves the programme of the Government and ministers will make an oath." It sounds like the Thursday vote officially designates him Prime Minister, but his term doesn't being until they green light his Cabinet and swear him in. The headline itself only say the president has nominated him, not that he's the designate yet. This sounds like the similar problem with Barack Obama in that he is the "president-designate" until 12 December when the Electoral College formally vote and he becomes the "president-elect". Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, it's the same as in Slovenia, Haiti and many other countries -- parliament first votes on the PM, who immediately takes office upon being approved in parliament, then the PM has two weeks to get his government together, which is approved in a separate, second vote... PM-designate is not an official title or designation in many countries, so the presence or absence of those words needn't mean anything. — Nightstallion 08:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletions in it.Wiki - DL
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New Israeli party
I'm going to wait and see how it develops - i.e. if they do actually run in the election - you tend to get fringe groups who threaten to run in order to try and get put on a list with a similar political orientation in order to avoid drawing away votes. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  09:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. — Nightstallion 12:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Romanian legislative elections results
I will, but I taught that this time too the legally registered parties in Romania will be euphoric, and that would have enlarged the table more than necessary.

--ES Vic (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the dozen parties are the 18 national minorities parties, and each have one seat. I find including all the 18 parties to be redundant. If there is a request on adding all the 18 parties, I will add them. but still, I find that useless!


 * --ES Vic (talk) 21:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyone know how many seats won by the PSD-PC list are of the Conservative Party and how many seats won by the PNL list are of the Christian Democratic Peasant Party? --Checco (talk) 09:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't know, no... — Nightstallion 17:33, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

New left-wing party
I very much doubt it would be today - Saturday is the Israeli version of Sunday. Tomorrow is a more realistic day for action as it's the first day of the week. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  11:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, lots of parties have their party congresses and founding conventions on Sundays in the Christian-influenced world, too... Either way, have you read anything about the date or is that just an estimate? Thanks! — Nightstallion 11:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I hadn't heard anything about it TBH. The day of rest is taken a bit more seriously in Israel (especially if Meimad are involved - none of their members would be able to travel to the conference on a Shabbat). пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  12:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I figured that Meimad and others of the religious left might have a problem with that date... Thanks! — Nightstallion 12:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this may be what you are after. I'd wait until it has a name before starting an article though. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  02:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, I'd likely have left creating the article to you either way, as you certainly know much more about Israeli politics than I do. ;) — Nightstallion 09:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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Ghana election template
Be very careful in naming the template.

Right now it says

The |Ghana presidential election, 2004| means that the >edit< link you see on pages where the template is links to the 2004 template. You need to put the actual template name there.

It needs to say

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 * Yeah, sorry, that's one of the most common mistakes I make when copying templates from existing ones. — Nightstallion 09:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Next Ukrainian parliamentary election in 2011? Might ass well be 2009...
First thanks for your input on Next Ukrainian parliamentary election! Unfortunately you seem to suffer from logic thinking (hence your last edit there when you claim elections will prob. be in 2011). As a follower of Ukrainian politics since the Orange Revolution I can tell you that Ukrainian politics is anything but logical in fact Lytvyn Bloc isn't even member if the coalition yet (see ) a important fact that most western journalist seem to miss... . If you want to keep updated about Ukrainian politics read http://www.ukranews.com/eng or http://www.unian.net/eng cause Western newspaper constantly interpreted Ukrainian political events wrong too... Most of them can't even write Tymoskenko right... (it's not Timoshenko cause the Ukrainian alphabet get's transcribed differently to Latin alphabet then the Russian alphabet (tell all your friends :) )). Regards, Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. For example see this: article. Only 40 from the Our Ukraine-People's Self-Defense Bloc faction (out of 72) voted to make Volodymyr Lytvyn‎ Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada, without the 27 from the Communist Party faction (who will not be part of the Our Ukraine-People's Self-Defense Bloc + BYuT + Lytvyn Bloc coalition) MR. Lytvyn wouldn't have been elected chairman, hardle a stabble coalition (that Our Ukraine-People's Self-Defense bloc faction + BYut + Lytvin Bloc coalition). If you ask me it would be close to a miracle if they make 2011 without a snap election, but on the other hand that is logic thinking and like I said before in my eyes Ukrainian politics is anything but logic... -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but still, the article should be updated... — Nightstallion 09:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Done :) -- Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Nightstallion 08:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Hi Nightstallion, can you move Venetian Autonomy League to Lega Autonomia Veneta for uniformity with Lega Nord, Lega Alleanza Lombarda, Liga Veneta, Liga Veneta Repubblica, etc.? Many thanks. --Checco (talk) 13:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Same rquest for North League Aosta Valley to the original Lega Nord Valle d'Aosta. Thanks. --Checco (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The same also for Marco Polo Front to Fronte Marco Polo. Thanks. --Checco (talk) 10:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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EP fact sheets
'stallion, hi! I notice you changed the European Parliament election, 1996 (Austria) share of votes. You have now learnt an important lesson: EP factsheets/press releases are riddled with errors (e.g. this gives a composition at 1999-5-4 that doesn't add up to 626, and gives a 1.1.95 composition that includes UFE, which wasn't formed until six months later). The worse one I ever saw was one that got the year of Swedish accession wrong. If you could find a source for the revised FPO Austrian vote figure, then that'd be great. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mh, bmi.gv.at would work -- how about this? — Nightstallion 14:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Goddit, thanx. Rgds, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)