User talk:Nihonjoe/Archive 12

Stray character
Sorry about that stray character. I should have previewed my changes before I submitted my comment. I think i must have accidentally pasted that macron up there. I had that macroned "O" copied because I was using it in my prior question. Wow, you like Japan and you use Mac OS X Tiger on a G4 Powerbook, just like me! Ja Mata. Jecowa 08:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and then I accidentally clicked "rollback" on your entry rather than edit on your previous entry, accidentally deleting your comments and then had to rollback my rollback. ;-p ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  08:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So, is there anyone on the Japan trains project who DOESN'T use a Mac? :-)  Neier 06:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we're all cool that way. (^_^) ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  06:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Query
Could you please advise those who pass by exactly why you are so pompous and are an Administrator on the English Language Wikipedia? I mean, why don't you just stick to the Japanese version? How would you like it if we all piled in to the Japanese version asking for Administrator rights and then started postulating on this and that and Japanese Law? Naturally you'd be mortified. 213.122.8.65 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, considering my native language is English, I'm not sure why I should "just stick to the Japanese version." Perhaps you should stop hiding behind an anonymous IP and actually create an account, then do a little research before accusing someone of something when you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  21:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, if you have a specific bone to pick, please do so. It seems that you're upset about something, so perhaps you could be more clear on what has upset you, and I'll be happy to discuss it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  21:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha, I understand now. You're one of the several anonymous supporters springing to the aid of Sussexman over on this page. I've already said everything I need to over there. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  21:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Train DAB
The Station Name (Prefecture) style for disambigging stations pre-dates my time on Wikipedia, but afaik, Prefecture after the name of the prefecture has not been used until now. Having thought about it, I'm not able to convince myself that one way is any better than the other (Yamanouchi Station (Hiroshima Prefecture) versus Yamanouchi Station (Hiroshima)); but, I think that consistency is a good thing to strive for. Are you gearing up to make an ammendment to the style page of the project?


 * I was just translating the title of the Japanese article on this one. If the standard is to not include "Prefecture", then I'm fine with changing it. In fact, I'll go do so right now. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  15:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Another thing I noticed is that on the Geibi Line articles, you haven't been adding the stations to Category:Railway stations in Hiroshima Prefecture. I know that Category:Geibi Line is a sub-cat of the prefecture cat;, but, it is also a sub-cat of Okayama's prefecture cat. I planned to add the categories to the new articles, but since I'm already harassing you here, I thought I'd go ahead and check if you have a method to your madness. Neier 10:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To me, it would be odd to have the article in both a parent and child cat. Since I'm going to be doing all of the lines in Hiroshima Prefecture, there will eventually be several lines under that cat, making it more obvious that people should look there. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  15:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the solution is to split Category:Railway stations in Japan, kinda like the Japan WP has done. It would have two (or more) categories: Category:Railway stations in Japan by prefecture and Category:Railway stations in Japan by line.  Not sure if those two names are the best choices, but, you get the idea. Neier 22:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Should we be bold and do it, or propose it first on the TiP page? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  23:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Normally, I would be bold; but renaming categories is a pain, so I'll see if there are any better names first. :-) Neier 00:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you delete this page please?
Can you delete this page please: Talk:User:Nihon?/Sandbox. It was mistakenly created by a bot and it's clogging up my precious Category:Unassessed anime and manga articles. --Squilibob 10:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed the project tag. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  15:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

User:General Tiger
this user is applyby stock puppets —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dufvi (talk • contribs).
 * What proof do you have of that? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  05:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

NPOV repeat violator
User talk:4.23.83.100 a repeat violator of the NPOV rules, has done it again on the Japanese war crimes article. I left a warning on what I believe is a sock puppet of his/hers, and then he repeated it again in the article. Anything we can do to get him to knock it off? Cla68 10:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Craig Roger Gregerson
I note that you changed the category this article was filed under from "Latter-day Saints" to "Ex-Mormons". If you have a cite that explains that a) Gregerson left the church or b) that he was excommunicated it would be greatly appreciated. - Chadbryant 08:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless Gregerson tells people himself, you won't ever find a reference as the LDS Church doesn't go around telling people when they excommunicate someone. People who commit murder, however, are excommunicated. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  17:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Some very misguided editors who are wholly ignorant regarding LDS Church doctrine are endlessly reverting the article to insert him back into the ranks of Latter-day Saints. Your input on the talk page would be greatly appreciated. - Chadbryant 02:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I made a comment. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  04:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Poll at Talk:Dokdo
Check this out: Talk:Dokdo. The poll appears to be started by a single purpose account/user. There is no ending date and it's not even listed in WP:RFPM. Is it a valid poll?--Endroit 16:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:IFD for Image:Baekje power.jpg
I found another overexaggerated map Image:Baekje power.jpg, and it's up for deletion. This map shows overexaggerated borders for Baekje, similar to we saw on August 29. Please comment or vote for/against deletion there. Thank you.--Endroit 14:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:JMSDF Combatant Ship
Hi, the Openbox user account made this template - am I right to think you're in control of it or something? Either way, I'd like to remove non-active ships (or non-future ones) from the template. I think it's not sensible to have every single post-war class on there. It's just too large at the moment and needs to be cut down - this would happen if bits were cut off. I'll do it myself, I just want to know that it's ok. Please respond on my talk page - cheers. John Smith&#39;s 16:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok and can I change the template name to "JMSDF Combatant Ships", or something? "Combatant Ship" sounds like Engrish.... John Smith&#39;s 16:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you're talking about. I think the only ship I've ever worked on was one from the Japanese Imperial Navy which was sunk before WWII. I've never heard of a user named Openbox, either. There doesn't seem to be any user named "Openbox". ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  18:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha, you mean Open-box. No, I have nothing to do with that account. I posted once on his/her talk page, but that's it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  19:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll talk to him - if there's no response I'll do it anyway. By the way, as I asked can you please respond on my talk page in the future? Cheers! John Smith&#39;s 22:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I like to keep the full conversation in one place, so if a question is asked here, I'll respond here (as it says up at the top of this page). ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yoshiaki Omura
''I don't think I've ever dealt with someone as hard to reason with as Whiffle. He's not interested in working anything out at all, but rather seems to be interested in talking about how much he knows and how stupid the rest of us are. I'm being a good admin, though, and letting him dig himself a hole he can't get out of before I do anything. Any ideas for how to reason with him? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)''


 * I left another note on his talk page asking him to stop insulting the other editors (and reminding him of the 3RR), and I asked the admin who protected the article to do the same. Other than that, I don't think there's anything to be done at the moment. The protection of the article will keep him from reverting further, but you can't force someone to be civil.
 * I was thinking of asking for a checkuser on him, for the reason that his first ever edit was to the mediation page, and he seemed to have some awareness of WP functioning. I decided not to, but we'll see how this plays out, I suppose. - Che Nuevara  19:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he definitely seems to be more knowledgable than a new editor should be. Unless we have another editor for comparison, though, we can't ask for a checkuser. It's not for fishing to see what we can find. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  19:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

New to wiki
So i am really new to making wiki pages, but I was just wonder what considers something as an advert? I tried to create a page on Innes clothing, because I really like the company and on the Flogging Molly page, there is a reference to Innes Clothing and an internal link, but there was no page there so I thought it would help to give the link some meaning. So an explanation about the company's history and how the owner is in a punk band is considered a blatant add? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joey axel (talk • contribs).


 * I recommend reading these pages:
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * Your first article
 * Policies and guidelines


 * These will help you get a handle on what is and is not acceptable. It's fine to discuss the owner's history as long as you can point to articles from reliable sources showing where you got the information. Everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable, so links to reliable sources is important. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  05:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

NIIT Uglies
See what you're saying so what about this approach: Since NIIT has been around for a long time and still looks like an advert, how 'bout I put it in AfD to see if we can stir some editors to take an interest and fix it up?


 * Works for me. It's just not speediable, IMHO. A regular AfD is fine. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  06:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, while I'm here, you couldn't please take a look at Robert Lawrence Kuhn. It looks like a hagiography created by one user using a series of differnt anon IPs. History shows editing by a series of IP addresses, each address has only been used to edit the biography. Author has highly detailed knowledge. If this is not outright autobiography then it's at least someone who knows the author down to the contents of his CV. Mata ne --Saganaki- 05:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I made a comment there. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  06:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So where to from there? A stern warning is probably not very useful if the user uses different IPs. Is this another AfD candidate? Cheers --Saganaki- 06:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * An AfD might spark some interest in fixing it from the India project. If you mark it AfD, I recommend placing a notice about it on the India project page. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  06:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, nihonjoe, last comment referred to Robert Lawrence Kuhn (what a guy!). Candidate AfD? --Saganaki- 06:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * An AfD is fine by me on that one, too. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  06:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Joe Leste
I very seriously disagree with Joe Leste being "non-notable". sure, he may not be as notable as Eddie Van Halen, for example... Gringo300 10:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you disagree, please make your case over on Deletion review. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  15:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

David L. Cohen recreated
Hi, David L. Cohen, which you deleted as a non-notable vanity page, has been recreated. I've tagged it with db-recreated. FYI. - CobaltBlueTony 17:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's been slain and protected. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  17:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Daniel D. Griffin
I apoligize, I am new at this, but I have been following the guidlines as close as possible to create the 'Daniel D. Griffin' page, and before I could finish making more modifications according to Wiki's guidlines, it showed you had deleted the article, despite me putting a tag at the top that I was editing it. I would ask what criteria I needed to modify, but the page is gone. Could you please explain what I was doing wrong?

'confused' DanTheMan1980


 * Sorry for any confusion. Based on your username, it seems likely that this is an article about you, and Wikipedia generally frowns on encyclopedic articles being written by the subject of the article. We generally believe that if a person is important enough, someone not connected to that person will come along and write an article about them. You can read about it here. Please let me kniow if you have any further questions. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  17:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Anand Rajaram
I added the speedy delete tag when it was just a single line, and at the time he certainly wasn't notable. Thanks for looking though. Y control 19:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ozura Mobile
It looks somewhat better, although you might have to change some of the text around a bit, because it still looks quite a bit like the deleted version. --Core des at 20:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was mainly throwing the news coverage in to satisfy WP:CORP as the article definitely asserts notability. The articles show that the news media are aware of the company. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Octarium page deletion
I disagree that Octarium is non-notable. they are new on the scene, but are quickly making quite the name for themselves ... they've also just released a CD that is sure to gain some attention. Could you please be more specific about your issue and/or make suggestions for correcting the problem? I'm new at this. Thanks much. ((subst:unsigned|Lee Heeter}}


 * I recommend visiting the guidelines for music and groups to learn if they meet the notability requirement for musical groups. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  22:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Carsunder10k
chriman17 i do not understand all this stuff, its extremely complicating but i have a complaint, i do not understand why my article keeps getting deleted. Its about the history of carsunder10k.com and its founders. We are asked many times about our history from people in many social communities. I wanted to post it so we could redirect them their and people could find it on the web but you keep deleting it. I do not care to use your service as an advertisement hub. We are our own media hub. thanks George Founder american ad trader carsunder10k.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chriman17 (talk • contribs). 18:57 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It was deleted because Carsunder10k is not notable, and fails to meet any of the criteria for companies to have an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not designed as an advertising channel, and all articles must meet certain standards in order to be here. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  19:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Armand_DiMele as a result of suspected spam
This is my first Wikipedia entry. Much more involved than originally planned.

The post was rejected once because of lack of notoriety. In attempt to prove the the subject of this bio page is noteable, links to books, radio programs and other supporting websites were added as hrefs in the body, which was in turn mis-interpreted as SPAM.

Before it was deleted, links to outside content was deleted (except for a link to the website of the subject of the bio), but the document was protected anyway.

Could you please reconsider?

Link to deleted wiki


 * If you disagree with the deletion, please make your case over on Deletion review. That's the best place to get it reviewed. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  02:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department
Hi Joe, would you translate for me the postal address of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department headquarters in Kasumigaseki?

On the website it is 東京都千代田区 霞ヶ関2-1-1 (I think) Thank you!

Chris 17:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Tōkyō-to, Chiyoda-ku, Kasumigaseki 2-1-1. That's what you have written above. However, on this page, there's this address: 東京都府中市朝日町3-15-1警視庁採用センター, which translates as: Tōkyō-to, Fuchū-shi, Asahi-chō 3-15-1 Keishichō Saiyō Sentā (Police Headquarters Center). What's the URL of the page where you got your address? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  19:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.keishicho.metro.tokyo.jp/foreign/submenu.htm and thank you again! Chris 00:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Whiffle
Where is the policy to which you refer posted and defined? Whiffle 20:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Could you be a little more specific? I refer to all sorts of policies all the time. A link to the instance where I referred to it would be useful. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You just posted indicating a user blanking a user talk page without archiving was not within the user's prerogative and violated policy. Where is this policy posted and defined? Whiffle 20:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It is generally agreed that users who receive such warnings should not remove them from their talk page if they are valid. There's no one pace that discusses this; rather, it's split across multiple locations in the policy and guideline pages (as well as associated discussion pages). ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  00:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In other words, it is not formally defined policy, correct? Whiffle 02:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Policies do not define every last instance of something as that would take insane amounts of space and time. Just be aware that this is considered disruptive, and that your actions on Wikipedia are catching the eyes of several administrators. I strongly encourage you to be more civil and move more toward compromising with those with whom you have disagreements. If you can not learn to work well with the other editors on Wikipedia, it is likely that you will attract unwanted attention. So, in order to avoid anything like that, please straighten out. I'm sure you have many useful contributions you could make, and I look forward to seeing more positive interaction between you and other editors here. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  18:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * As I interpret your statement, then, it is not in fact defined policy. Rather, your interpretation, of what constitutes 'disruptive' behavior. You are, of course, entitled to your interpretation, as I am to mine. If, then, it is not in fact, policy, I will proceed to blank my page, as I prefer it that way. Notions of this being an attempt to 'hide' something, are ludicrous, as any Wiki has a 'history' function. I would suggest you follow your best interpretation of appropriate conduct, and I will do the same. Reasonable enough? Whiffle 19:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Feel free to believe that, but there are hundreds of administrators who interpret it the way I described, and if you wish to battle all of us on this, that's your choice. Please be advised, however, that we will not tolerate continued disruptive behavior on Wikipedia, whether it's on your talk page or elsewhere. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It is your statement that there are hundreds of administrators who interpret this as policy - yet you have nowhere to point to where it is policy, and it is WP to be bold in areas of ambiguity. Does this strike you as analysis and evidence or a statement of your stylistic preferences? Whiffle 21:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you're talking about, and I already explained that every instance of what violates a policy is not and can not be written down. That would be absurd. As we are only going in circles now, I'm not going to respond to any more of your comments here. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  21:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

So I'm accused of violating an unwritten policy which you will not further discuss – one can well appreciate your preference. Whiffle 22:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

"Delete and merge" violates GFDL
Articles for deletion/Meido - Just a note...I've been told numerous times that "Delete and Merge" was an invalid AFD vote because it violates the GFDL. The GFDL apparently has a requirement that the history of authorship for the article needs to be preserved. The article should be redirected after the content is merged or the history of the article needs to be noted on the talk page. --Kunzite 20:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a little difficult since the merge "votes" were for three different articles. It's impossible to redirect to three places. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed it to be only Cosplay, and redirected it there. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
please to do not remove the tags that I have put in the articles for deletion. If you would read the discussion page, you would see why I went through all of this trouble. --Monkeyheadster 20:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There were no discussion pages when I was removing them. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You deleted my tags while I was writing it. Please rollback your edits to re-include my tags. Here is the discussion page: Articles for deletion/Abe Katsuyoshi


 * Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Monkeyheadster (talk • contribs).


 * I already did, before my first reply to you. You need to list every page you've listed for AfD on that discussion page, too, or the AfD will be invalid. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  20:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * thanks, I was not aware of that. I will do it now. --Monkeyheadster 20:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Choronzon (Band) discussion
Thank you for giving me a hard time and forcing me to prove empirically that the band was non-notable. Had I been able to axe a somewhat detailed and lengthy article without debate, I would have been somewhat unnerved at how easy it is to get an article deleted. ジョーさん ありがとう. EvilCouch 02:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I had misunderstood some of the information I had found, so thanks for pointing out the error. I don't think it will be a problem getting it deleted now that all the facts are straight. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  02:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)