User talk:Nihonjoe/Archive 33

An editor I need help with
I found you through Wikiproject Japan. I was wondering if you knew someone who maybe could adopt User:Electric Japan. I don't speak Japanese, and he doesn't speak English very well. It's difficult for me to explain things to him. He has conflicts with other editors about material he's been adding to various articles. Let me know. Thanks,  Enigma  message 16:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can try, but there may be others who may be more helpful in this. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU
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Proposed deletion of Shōjo (disambiguation)
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Blade of the Phantom Master
You've edited the article, so I come to here your help. I think you already saw the dispute and WP:RFC at the page, but I don't know why you're calm on this. ocn.ne.jp ISP user(s) has vandalised the manhwa article earlier several times and keeps removing Korean mention in the lead at Blade of the Phantom Master along with the banned. The article originally mentioned the Korean manhwa, not manga until last June. Besides, an obvious sock of the anon appeared at the article as User:Jazz81089 after his long break 8 months, so I need your input on this. Thanks. --Appletrees (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It was originally published in a Japanese magazine by a Japanese publisher, so I would call it manga. Besides, "manhwa" and "manga" are just two words with the same meaning (for all intents and purposes). Fighting over it is stupid. Did you expect me to go berserk on someone over this? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did not expect much from you because of too obvious reasons in the past. You have not helped me at all, but always give me an insulting comment. You did not see the edit history, and my version of the edit. The anon and sock account removed "Korean manhwa artists" exclusively. That the creators are Korean manhwa artists is a hard fact. Besides, the work is not purely manga. It can be manhwa as well. Therefore, my version is compromised version to please the each side such as "a cartoon and animation series drawn by Korean manhwa artist... specialized as Japanese manga published by Japanse manga magazine. Besides, the Japanese publisher just translated the original draft from Korean to Japanese and then published it. Well, I also did not remove the Anime category at all and the mention of manwha and Korean nationality was not inserted by me first.


 * Of course, the two share only the same meaning in the different language along with the different pronunciation. That's why manga/manhwa/manhua articles exist independently. There are all Japanese/Korean/Chinese cartoon and animation is original translation in English. The term, manga, manhwa are all recent neologism. Maybe visiting talking with you is really a stupid thing and wasting my time. --Appletrees (talk) 04:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, the only edits I've made have been extremely minor, and had nothing to do with the actual content. And don't get all huffy just because I'm not willing to do what you want. I couldn't care less about this article (as is obvious from the amount of time I've spent editing it). I don't know much about it other than the little bit I read to respond to you, and I don't care to know any more about the subject. If you have an issue with the content being changed on the article, I recommend working out your differences with the other regular editors of that article rather than attacking someone who has barely touched the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only reason I come to you is you're an admin who have edited the article. If you're not in the "two" condition, I would not really spend my time here with no gain. You can say you have no intention to help me, that is totally fine. But you added the unsuitable comment. Attacking was started by you, not me. I response the same to what others do. However, I appreciate your last advice. --Appletrees (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Where did I attack you? I asked you a question because you told me (and I quote), "I don't know why you're calm on this." I've only edited that article a couple times, but you came here acting as if I should be incensed that some editors (including you) were edit warring over something as small as whether or not to include a few words. Again, how exactly did I attack you? I'm willing to help where I can, but you obviously don't believe I'm impartial, so I find it somewhat absurd that you keep coming to me when you don't believe anything I write and don't trust anything I do (no matter how irrational those beliefs may be). Again, I'm willing to help where I can, but I don't feel much inclination to do anything for you given the reasons listed above. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I admit that I don't fully thrust you because whenever I really needed a help from you, you ignored or gave absurd comments against me. You're the only admin having edited anime-manga articles that I've know of. Regardless, I tried to thrust you again but always feel bitterness from your improper comments. You don't seem to realize that your way of speaking is not really kind to me, or others. Sorry to say I tend to have a high expectation from admins. Fighting over it is stupid. Did you expect me to go berserk on someone over this? --> This is a clean personal attack. Editors here come to edit what they believe is right or helpful to develop articles even though it looks stupid to you. The sentence says I was acting crazy as fighting with the anon. No matter how irrational those believe may be? Again, you just prove yourself. All these conversation is nothing but confirming impossibility to communicate with you. If you can't help me, why don't you just simply say "no" and end it? --Appletrees (talk) 06:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A personal attack would be, "You are stupid." Stating that "fighting over it is stupid" is not a personal attack but rather an opinion that a particular action is just plain dumb. And my question was already explained. Yes, editors come here to edit and be helpful in developing articles, but edit warring as you have done on this article—and on many others—is not helpful in the least and shows only that you are unwilling to work out a compromise with the other editors involved. The only way things can change is if you stop edit warring and start trying to wok things out with the other involved editors. You'll accomplish a lot more by dong that, too. Again, I strongly urge you to take your concerns to the talk page in question and work things out with the other editors. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is pretty sad that you do not listen to my saying at all. I particularly presented a compromised version to the japanaese anon, and have participated in discussions unlike the other. I already took the matter to the talk pages and got no answer at all. So your so-call advice is a cliche. If the thing can be resolved in a discussion or even get a single response from the other except edit summaries as him reverting, why would I come to here? This conversation is a wast of time. Regarding edit warrings, you can't be so sure about that. Of course, POV pushing and edit warring are generally not good, but just condoning or giving up disruptions does not help to develop articles at all. I witnessed that you made edit warrings several times, even one case of which drove you to be in ANI. So have a good night.--Appletrees (talk) 07:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you make a good faith effort to discuss things, and the other editors do not participate, then that's a different story. You never said that was the case before now. Another thing you can do is open an RFC in order to get some outside comments on the topic. If you get consensus for the controversial material, and people keep reverting it, then we can discuss what can be done to prevent that. As for your other comments, the English is too broken for me to understand what you are trying to say. I don't edit war, and I have no idea what you mean by "one case drove you at ANI". ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I already filed a RFC on this because I thought that third opinions from many people would help to resolve this thing. But unlike my thought, I also got no answer from the side. Except going to ANI, I've done everything to resolve it, but nothing. Sorry for my broken English, but "one case drove you to be at ANI" is your edit waring on some Japanese magazine or book. I don't think any further description on the case is even needed.--Appletrees (talk) 07:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I still don't recall any books or magazines over which I've edit warred. I guess I'll have to take your word for that. Perhaps posting at WT:JAPAN and WT:KOREA would help get more people interested. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Support
Please show your support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Japanese_Supercar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spell123 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply at Articles for deletion/Japanese Supercar
Regards, tgies (talk) 00:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. Thanks. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Naruto character reception
Per the comments at the peer review for List of Naruto characters, I was asked to check with the magazine library to determine whether there was any critical reception on the Naruto characters. As you own a plethora of various anime and manga publications, I was curious whether such reception was present. Thanks, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect there are, but I don't have the time to look through hundreds of books and magazines to try to find references for you. If you can point me to a specific book or a specific issue of a magazine that has something you need, I'll be happy to get the information to you. Have you looked at the What links here page for Naruto? If there are references in cataloged books and magazines, there will be links to that page. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did a quick glance through the linked pages, and didn't see anything right off. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's probably the case. I was thinking Newtype USA, as since the article is being prepped for WP:FLC, it would be nice if there was reception from printed sources. If there isn't anything, don't worry about it - I'm pretty sure the article can pass without them. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are articles, I just don't have time to hunt through several years' worth of issues just to find articles unless someone points me to a specific issue. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Liancourt Rocks
I suggest that you revert yourself. You did not discuss the major change at the talk page first. If just an ordinary editor did the same as you, he or she might have been indefinitely blocked already (how fair) per the ArbCom rules. The infobox has been one of the contentious subjects of edit warrings along with Sea of Japan (East Sea) and Dokdo/Takeshima, lamest edit warrings, so by consensus, it was deliberately taken out from the article by Furf. --Caspian blue (talk) 10:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

So, I was told you have "an extensive collection of anime and manga related magazines..."
Someone at the Comics WikiProject mentioned that you had "an extensive collection of anime and manga related magazines", so I was wondering if you might be able to help me out. I'm looking for a copy of ''Toons! The Animation Magazine'' #1. It was an American magazine published in the late 1990s by Wizard Entertainment. It had a picture of Pikachu on the cover, and several articles about Pokemon inside, one of which discussed the episodes that were "banned" in the US.

I realize this is kind of a shot in the dark, but in the off-chance that you have the magazine sitting around, let me know! (I don't actually need the magazine for any anime-related articles. I need it because it might allow me to verify a fact related to The Simpsons. But I can explain that in more detail later.) Thanks, Zagalejo^^^ 08:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, don't have one. Sorry. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks anyway! Zagalejo^^^ 18:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Loss of the Mainichi WaiWai column
Hi, Joe. I'm engaged in a discussion over the recent cancellation of the Mainichi WaiWai column, its implications, and the light it shines on the matter of "notability" for Japanese pop subjects (AV in particular, but it applies as well to other idol-types, which were covered in the column). Anyway, you might want to look in and maybe comment HERE. Regards, Dekkappai (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Need some help
Hi, Nihonjoe.

I have been cleaning up articles on the anime and manga scope. We are trying to match it up to quality standards for FA or GA. Can you give me some advice on cleaning up the articles there? Your comments on this situation would be very much appreciated. :) Thanks and best wishes,  Greg  Jones   II  22:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment
I would like request further comments from you on the WT:MOS-AM discussion. In case you've forgot, I'm the one who started the discussion by explaining the alternate way I arrange the articles I've gotten to GA. I commented to get the opinions of other editors, to see if anyone else (other than Collectonian) had a legitimate objection to "my layout". No one else actually objected.

But Collectonian insists that "my articles" are "violating" the MoS and that they must be brought in line with the MoS. I've never intended for "my layout" to replace the current accepted layout, but Collectonian insists that's the only way they'll be able to stay the way they are. "My articles" may not be WP:PERFECT, but no article is. I tried to explain (see Talk:The Big O), but Collectonian doesn't seem to listen to me.

Honestly, I just feel like she's harassing me in an attempt to drive me mad so I'll just stop editing articles altogether. I'm not saying that's what she's doing, I'm just saying that's how it feels. So, if you have anything to say in this matter, anything at all, please comment at Talk:The Big O or WT:MOS-AM.--Nohansen (talk) 00:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

date auto-lemon
Hi, saw your conversionaion on Jimp's talk page. You do admit, don't you, that a system created only for logged-in WPians is actually worse than useless: it damages our ability to see what our readers see (often inconsistently formatted within an article). I think it's one of the worst examples of computer programming ever, and should be dumped immediately. Tony  (talk)  02:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you read what I wrote? I'm not sure what you want me to admit here since I certainly didn't advocate the position that we should create a system only for people logged in when it comes to date formatting. I'm not sure how you read that into what I wrote. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

poor editing from you again
Care to explain why you placed a fact date in the hiroshi fujiwara article, when the links provided mention such a statement? Now these links are written in English and easily verifiable (if they were in Japanese, it would be understandable, because it is obvious know you don't actually read Japanese) maybe you should try quality over quantity editing! 220.253.63.51 (talk) 00:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. External links do not qualify as references. They are meant to point a user to related sites outside Wikipedia. If you meant to use one or more as a reference, then you need to use  , preferably with one of the cite templates. And again, please remain civil when working with others. Your condescending tone does nothing to encourage others to help you or answer your questions. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I neither created, nor added the links to the article (which you are assuming) anyway, if you could provide your citation in regards to the HMV article, that would be great! 220.253.56.52 (talk) 03:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You asked why I added the tags, so I gave you a reason. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats fair enough, although I would like you to answer my question. In addition, your behaviour regarding the IP talk page is most inappropriate. 220.253.56.52 (talk) 03:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly how is it inappropriate? IP talk pages are very often marked like that so that people who are using the IP and get a talk page message will know what's going on. Did you think you were the only customer of your ISP? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was inappropriate, because the talk page was information written to me (and you know it) and other users of the IP shouldn't need to read it. I see no validation from your edit, apart from spitefulness. 220.253.56.52 (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you refuse to create an account, there's not really any way to know for sure, is there? For all I know, "you" are actually a group of people working together. Regardless, you may not remove comments from another IP user's talk page, even if you claim to be that UP user. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from further access as editing Wikipedia is not a right. You must abide by the rules of the site, and one of them is that you may not remove other's comments. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * As for the HMV links, all of the ones I checked had the "Top 100" list on the right side. The links were exactly what they said they were, so your removal of them was incorrect. The links were necessary to support the claim that they made the top 100 list at HMV. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like you to cite where in the article it states it is a list relating to sales, which is what you claimed many times. I read the whole thing, and found no such information, but I could of overlooked it. The list is the personal preference of the website operator, and his favorite artists. It is not being used to cite any useful information to wiki-articles, even though it provides a short biography of each artist. In fact, the same sentence added to every wiki-article is creating an "X is superior to Y" situation, which is not what the wikipedia is about. Moreover, it is not what the HMV article is about either. Now if it is in fact a list of best selling artists at HMV, please show me! If you can't, then please answer the original question, on how this is providing useful information! 220.253.56.52 (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're picking at nits here. When it comes to music artists, popularity necessarily translates into sales. The way music charts rate popularity is by how many sales an artist has. Therefore, someone at the top of the HMV popularity chart is going to be the one selling the most at HMV stores. Adding chart position information (even chart positions for a huge media sales chain) to artist articles is certainly encyclopedic. As I wrote above, it's the chart on the right of the article, not the article itself, which is making the claim to support the information added to the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It mentions no such thing, not anywhere. It has nothing to do with popularity of artists at HMV, not according to what is written. Even if it did, how is that information important to an encyclopedia? You do not read Japanese! You are fraud mate! 220.253.155.6 (talk) 05:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you can't seem to maintain a civil tone, I'm through discussing this with you. You've been nothing but arrogant and condescending throughout all my interactions with you. You are not worth my time. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Doi
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My head met wall repeatedly. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 06:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lists of basic topics
I've replied to your post at WP:VPR.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   20:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!
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Persistent vandalism by 124.104.*.* user
For the past several days, four anon IPs,, , , and have been vandalizing pages and are possibly the same person. Each of these addresses attacked a lot of articles lately, with several of the common denominators (not by all) are as follows, leading me to suspect that these four are the same person:
 * (including its talk page)
 * (including its talk page)
 * (including its talk page)
 * (including its talk page)
 * (including its talk page)
 * (including its talk page)

In fact, there is some range hopping going on with vandal edits by, , , , , , and many others on this range. Again, I suspect that this is the same person who used these address on his vandalism.

Can a rangeblock be applied on this case because this vandal or must I report the range to WP:ABUSE? Or do you have any other thoughts? Whoever he is, has gone chronic. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 02:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

PS: The vandal used the IP, but since this IP belongs to a school, maybe that user studies there.

(I've typed this same report on WP:AN/I hours ago, but no one has responded to it. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 02:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC))


 * WP:ABUSE is the best place to report it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was already tinkering of that idea. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)