User talk:NikoSilver/Archive 11

New signature
Evening Niko, do you fancy getting your signature making hat on? I'd like a new signature for when I change my user name to...... User:Ryan Postlethwaite! I'd like something professional looking and not too tacky! Are you up for it? Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 18:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Step inside please. NikoSilver 20:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Lyrics
Well, someone else helped us by adding some of the 300 lyrics in Greek. So it wasn't my imagination. Odysses (&#9756;) 10:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Re
Hehe:). Ta'xei afta to Pasha...! Mono pou egw niwthw san zombie:p Hectorian 12:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because...
... I spent way too much laughing through your page and all the various links: 

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. A good dose of humor is always a good thing! -Bbik 02:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, this (especially combined with the section before it) is hilarious. I added another bit, too.  I hope you don't mind it being semi-revived after so long. -Bbik 06:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I still long for the moment when I will have the time to refactor all this into a nicely put essay for the Wikipedia: space! Jump in anytime! NikoSilver 22:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Casualties of the PKK conflict
Template:Casualties of the PKK conflict has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --denizTC 04:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. NikoSilver 22:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

History of Greece WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - November 2006
20:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Philhellenism Requests Your Assistnace
Γειά σου NikoSilver!!!

Είμαι ακόμα νέος σε Wikipedia, και θα επιθυμούσα να δημιουργήσω τη σελίδα χρηστών. Είστε ικανοί να με βοηθήσετε; —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philhellenism (talk • contribs) 06:25, December 15, 2006  (UTC)

20:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue V (I) - January 2007
20:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VII (III) - March 2007
20:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Many thanks for the signature, hope this helps.....

Thank you for the advice on my sig. I have not changed it yet but I will soon. -- Ra nd om  Say it here! 20:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Please, I need you to support me once again. Call upon other editors. Read my last entry to the discussion. Please help. -- Ra nd om     Say it here! 22:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Niko. It is Random. AO is having elections today. Would you consider voting in favor of him. Here is the link --  Ra nd om     Say it here! 15:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'd visit anyway since I browse RfA's regularly. Kindly check WP:CANVASS for the future. Cheers! NikoSilver 13:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007
21:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi NikoSilver
Unfortunately I don't have the means to get around much. I've been to Germany, Romania, Mexico, the Caymen Islands, and that's about it (except for Hawaii, but that's a United State, despite its exotic appeal). I knew that Greek nightclubs and night life must be fun, thanks for sharing the article! I'd love to go to Athens and stand in awe of the Parthenon (keeping in mind just how old it truly is). There are many other places in Greece I would like to visit too. Did you see that 300 movie? Wasn't that rediculous how they made Sparta look? Like some great Classical Greek city? Hahaha! Not very faithful to the barracks society, I must say.--PericlesofAthens 22:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

RFA thanks
E-mail sent. · AndonicO Talk 01:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

ela file
boris na kano 'keep' εδώ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_2#Category:British_Influenced_Conflict Reaper7 23:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Geia sou NikoSilver
Geia! Ti ennoeis? Apo Athina. Giati? Sthenel 15:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To energopoiisa. Steile email an thes. Sthenel 16:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Μωρέ μη μι κάν'ς να ζ'λέψου! Πρεπ' να του'χ'ς υπόπσ'σ' ότι εδώ έχ' ουλόκληρου ταξίδ' na κάν'ς μέχρ' να γέν' η δ'λειά σ'. --Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ημών, φτάν' κι απού δώθε άμα τη σ'κώσουμι σουστά! NikoSilver 20:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

---''Tha´sai avrio ta mesimer (...16 -17 (ant kios -18) ora Agelados ) aftou? An aftou tha´se. Steil´e´mail an thels... :D Ta leme. --Asteraki 23:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)''

Userbox
Yes, go right ahead. Biruitorul 15:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was afraid it was the Enosis box!
 * Well, I don't mind the metric system being used in certain domains. And when I say I prefer Imperial units, I also have a preference for traditional units in general - Russian, Japanese, certainly Turkish, which I think should be brought back across the Balkans. Here's something I wrote recently for a pro-metric American, regarding my own anti-metricism:
 * It originated in the French Revolution, an event that stood for radicalism, republicanism, rationalism, and iconoclasm—principles that stand in direct contrast to my own ideals of reaction, royalism, mysticism, and traditionalism.
 * Any measuring system is inherently arbitrary—God left us no measures of His own (unless we count the cubit and other Biblical ones). The metre is one ten-millionth of the equator-North Pole distance. How is that any more sensible than the length of a foot, of a pace, a thousand paces, etc? Indeed the latter, emerging as they do from centuries of experience, and being established on a human scale—inexact, vague, complex, mysterious just like man—seem to me to be much more suited for us than such an impersonal, cold, unemotional, alien sort of system.
 * The Imperial [and other traditional] system promotes good arithmetic. Indeed so too did the £sd currency system, sadly done away with in the British Empire in the 1960s and ‘70s.
 * The Imperial system is an inherent part of the Anglo-Saxon cultural milieu. Just like England and by extension the United States would not be herself without common law, so too is the measurement system intricately woven into the cultural fabric. Snatch it away and you tear a great gash across the face of history. A pint of bitter, a pound of cheese, a six-foot jump. What has been inherited from those who came before, our age should try with the utmost care to preserve.
 * So, yes, there are some great arguments from the metric system, but the historical roots of the metric system, along with my sentimental attachment to tradition, particularly tradition that risks disappearing (or has done so), leads me to stand squarely against that godless, radically innovative concoction. Biruitorul 21:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. By the way, what if I replaced the Greek flag with the Kingdom of Greece flag - would that cause trouble? I'm told monarchism is becoming a fringe movement in Greece, but hopefully some still hold this enlightened stance. Biruitorul 21:48, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Copropraxia
Hey, Niko ! Sorry to see you're not around so much &mdash; hope all is well with you. Next time you check in, would you mind having a look at this? Best regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ :-) NikoSilver 13:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy action ! Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cyprus
My compliments. Lovely work (and some hard work too!) Vizjim 13:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it wasn't so hard, I just copied from Greece and clicked on the references to see the rank. NikoSilver 13:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

praxia
Hey, I don't speak fluent greek (heel, speak at all is generous) but I've only ever seen the word/particle "praxis" used to depict the practice of something, so that's why I edited that as I did, but by the link you've provided, I see that "action" is more of a primary work and "practice" some secondarily to that. I'm still learning! Thanks for helping me with that.

-- linca linca  13:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. It makes me feel like I haven't done that poorly on my translation. As to User:Lincalinca, I haven't checked with anybody as to whether or not I should do that, but nobody's mentioned anything till now. I did it because I thought it'd be amusing. If it causes any conflict with namespaces or articles, I'm happy to get rid of it, but until it's requested, I really wasn't gonig to do anything about it. -- linca linca  14:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Μακεδονία
Εννοείτε! Και καλά έκανες να βάλεις την σημείωση. Όπως βλέπεις έχω τραβηχτεί λίγο έξω από τα πράγματα λόγω ατέλειωτων ερευνών (επιπτώσεις της ονομασίας και υπέρ-εθνικιστικές τάσεις στα Σκόπια και άλλού). Π.χ. ο νυν υπέχ της πφδμ, ο κ. Αντόνιο Μιλοσόσκι (ΒΜΡΟ-ΝΤΠΜΝ), αναφερόταν επανειλημμένα στην «νότια (Αιγιακή) Μακεδονία» σε άρθρο του το 2005. Χάζεψε λίγο την ιστοσελίδα επιλογής του και ίσως εντοπίσεις της δικτυώσεις επίσημων ατόμων από τα Σκόπια με δήθεν ιδιωτικές και προπαγανδιστικές ιστοσελίδες. Αλλά όμως υπάρχουν και άτομα σε αυτή την χώρα, και δη ακαδημαϊκοί και πολιτικοί που συγχύζονται με τις διαστρεβλώσεις τον συγχωριανών τους .Politis 11:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Ιδού μερικά αποσπάσματα της Δρ.Μπιλιάνας Βανκόβσκα, που είναι στο Faculty of Philosophy University of Skopje
 * The existence of geographical Macedonia has never been a contested issue as long as one does not try to define the outlines too precisely.
 * In the collective perception of today’s ethnic Macedonians the imaginary ethnic boundaries of the territory populated (or which used to be populated) by their ethnic kin occupies three Macedonias
 * On the other hand, Macedonian nationalists have been complaining precisely because Tito’s policy and Yugoslav historiography allegedly deprived the modern Macedonians of their right to cherish their famous and direct linkage from Alexander III of Macedon (known as Alexander the Great).
 * For decades Macedonians believed that they originated from pure Slavic stock
 * The most extreme version argues that the Macedonians are ‘biblical people’ and today’s Macedonians are a cross between the ancient Macedonians and the Slavs
 * In regard to the Greeks the differentiation is made by negation of any ethnic tie between ancient Macedonians and Greeks.
 * The ‘real’ history of the Macedonians begins in the nineteenth century with the outburst of nationalism and the intensification of national liberation movements among all Balkan peoples.
 * [...]even the name ‘Macedonian’ was used for the first time to determine a separate ethnic identity as late as the nineteenth century
 * According to many witnesses from the time of the Ottoman Empire decline, Macedonians were described as a conglomerate of several nations without ethnic Macedonians.

Οσο για την ταύτισή τους ως Σλάβοι, και με την ‘μεγάλη Μακεδονία' του Τίτο, κοιτά την εφημερίδα τους στην Αυστραλία, 1948 (Etnografskata idea na makedonskite slavijani).   Και την φωτογραφία —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politis (talk • contribs)


 * WOW! Μπλοκάρισε το μυαλό μου από την υπερπληροφόρηση! Δεν ξέρω τι να τα κάνω όλα αυτά που μου έδωσες! Έχεις λίνκ για τη μελέτη της καθηγήτριας στα Σκόπια? Πολύ ενδιαφέροντα όλα αυτά! Τα αποκόμματα των εφημερίδων αναλύονται σε κάποιο ακαδημαϊκό κομμάτι? Συγχαρητήρια για την έρευνα! NikoSilver 12:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Τα αποκόμματα έχουν εκδοθεί στο pollitecon.com και είναι για τους ετζίαν μασεντόνιανς, και βεβαίως, ‘δερ αρ νόου γκρίκς ιν μασεντόνια’ - με κάτι λίνκς που σουτάρουν ολόκληρη Ελλάδα έξω απ’τη Μακεδονική της γη, πάνω από τον Όλυμπο και... μέσα της Λαρίσης το ποτάμι που τον λένε Πηνειό… Αλλά το κάνουν με μεράκι και πέφτει δουλειά, είναι χρυσοχέρες στο να κεντούν με χρώματα και εικονίδια την προπαγάνδα τους με την οποία σφετερίζουν την ιστορίας των γειτόνων. Μακάρι εμείς, που κατέχουμε σε πολλή πιο αξιοσέβαστο βαθμό την αλήθεια, να είχαμε τέτοιους καλητέχνες του διαδικτύου.Politis 14:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Με ενδιαφέρει ιδιαίτερα η Βανκόβσκα, η οποία μάλλον είναι η φωνή της λογικής από αυτά που διαβάζω. Έχεις λινκ για αν τη βάλω στο μόντερετ ποζίσιον ακαντέμικς της άλλης πλευράς? NikoSilver 14:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Τίποτα το ιδιαίτερο, γκούγκλαρέ την καλύτερα. Κοίτα (λίγο επιφυλακτικά?) και Πέταρ Ατανάσοβ (Σκοπιανός) στοκαι με παραπομπή στον Brunnbauer¨...
 * [...]The first important shift in tracing the myth of origin was the attempt to find the origins of the Macedonian nation further back in history, namely in the Middle Ages. ‘Now, the medieval empire of Czar Samuil and his successors (969-1018), whose capitals were Prespa and Ohrid in Macedonia, was re-evaluated as a Macedonian state although existing scholarship had regarded it Bulgarian’ (Brunnbauer, 2004: 179). The Macedonian historiography separated the Macedonian ethnogenesis from the Bulgarian one. During the second historiographical shift in the early 1990s, efforts were made to include the ancient Macedonians in the national narrative."

Εξηγεί και την αντιπαράθεση αναμεταξύ Σκοπιανών κομμάτων στο θέμα της ιστορίας τους...
 * [...]While the SDSM stuck to the left-wing version of the national narrative, excluding the rest, the VMRO-DPMNE tried, from the pre-socialist period right-wing perspective, to present to the public other ‘forgotten’ national heroes. Efforts were made to re-open questions from history and consequently to re-think parts of the national narrative.

And there are a few more. Politis 15:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Mod Help
Ooops, ekana mia malakia. I made the article Massacres during the Greek revolution but I accidentally did not capitalized "Revolution." As a mod could you go about fixing this? Evharistw, AlexiusComnenus 17:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A "mod"? Bah, we would never make a person like NikoSilver a "mod". He's cruel, selfish, and a braggard. But I fixed the revolution for you. By the way, you don't even need to be an admin for doing that, just use the "move" button at the top of the page. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed naming conventions for Republic of Macedonia
Hi Niko,

I'd be grateful if you could have a look at Manual of Style (Republic of Macedonia-related articles), which is intended to establish a consistent basis for naming RoM-related articles across Wikipedia. I'd appreciate your views on it. -- ChrisO 19:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Macedonian Literary and Scientific Society
Why i cant edit Macedonian Literary and Scientific Scoiety"? Everything i write there is truth and it is neutral, Laveol the vulgar is vandalizing it calling us Macedonian Slavs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Strich3d (talk • contribs) 20:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Sfages stin epanastasi
Signomi yiati sas peirazw, alla enas mod. blokarise enas malakas yia to artho yia sfages stin epanastasi kai molis ksanagirise kai paizi ta eidia paihnidia. Mporeite na kanete tipota, mallon na klidosete to arthro i kati, kserw ego. Evharistw, AlexiusComnenus 02:18, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Note
Please remember, when you come out of this nationalist stupor of collective self-pity, that Wikipedia's policies of following English usage work both for and against the Great Idea; they also keep Tenedos and Alexandria so named. If you want to implement WP's policy, and serve the Greek cause, why not make a move request on Kızıl River? our policies support you.

What you have been striving for is the Sympathetic Point of View] which Wikipedia doesn't do. Wikinfo does; their article is here Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I thought you were out! :-) Nice to hear you here and you needn't prove your detachment. But I expect the same for me! Since you mentioned it, please tell me what the English usage is on the province and its inhabitants. We are trying to set standards for the whole damn project here, and the whole damn project includes them too. You want them dabbed despite the English usage, dab the others too. It's that simple, or it is pov. And the worst pov is the one that chases ghost-nationalists. NikoSilver 22:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to be called nationalist, please stop writing -or thinking- about the sufferings of 2.6 million Greeks and "twisting the knife in the wound". You sound like all too many other editors I could name; most (but not all) of them non-Hellenes. Go out, spend half the evening off Wikipedia, and start over tomorrow. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Gah, it's late and a Tuesday night. "Afters" are closed, and I already got this liquor thing again with you. The fact that emotion may touch me, does not mean that I will break my values as a person though, and I think I've proven that. I want it fair and easy. Now respond. NikoSilver 23:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good; the Niko I thought I knew is back. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * (ec)And who suggested dabbing the inhabitants of the province? Not me. They should be identified as Greek Macedonians or inhabitants of the province of Macedonia at first reference, for the same reason as the Republic of Macedonia is so called at first reference, but thereafter Macedonia. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, if I get it right, our difference lies only on how the country will be named within Greek related articles, right? Who would you quote on their borders? The one concerned or the one outside? (keep in mind that both names are frequent enough in English -this is a fact) NikoSilver 23:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that's the difference. For borders, I would use Republic of M. and Province of M. - because we have to, for clarity. I would not use FYROM; it's unclear to many anglophones, and it's offensive (isn't it?). It would be nice to call them both Macedonia, but that would be impractical in that context. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually only the acronym is cited as offensive (and that only using wp:or, because of the postcards that read "do not fyrom me" on the other side). Another offensive bit is the "Slavomacedonians" compound, but again only for slavophones with ethnic Macedonian conciousness in Greece --c.10-30,000). I am not arguing for the acronym (nor for the compound, despite its limited reported offensiveness), as I've seen the fierce response of ethnic Macedonians in WP for both (if it rings any bell for some other poor souls boo-hoo-hoo ).
 * I'm arguing for the international official spell-out ("former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" -from now on "the fyrom spell-out" in my terminology), which is neither cited as offensive, nor is it proven less frequent in English (see my early nationalistic subpage attempting to count hits), and which is WP:ATTributable to all Greek sources for the Greek borders. The same way the member states of the EU or the UN cannot be quoted to include a Rep.of.M. (IMO), the same must be extended within that little island of its own reality called Greece. NikoSilver 23:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now, despite the fact that e.g. France is calling the country "fyrom spellout in French", I'm not pushing for... French related articles. Yes, it is also emotional (for all Greeks -who are the contributors there- and for me, but I can get over it with alcohol). And yes, it is also practical, as it won't stand (and it won't be me making it not stand). It is a very small sacrifice given the circumstances, and some would argue it is not a sacrifice at all (those that would argue that the fyrom spellout is more frequent than RoM or plain M). But, think about it utility-wise. NikoSilver 23:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Whatever title for Pontic Greek mortal experiences
Niko, You was surprised me with your revert like as two others. I would prefer that you put calmdown message to others like as I did to Garnet. Regards.Happy editing. Must . T C 12:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * All "calmdowns" are in the article talkpage that everybody reads. It is especially difficult to have users calm down when their work is completely expunged without consensus. We don't go WP:BOLD in controversial articles. We discuss instead. I would urge you to participate too, but your level of English will be a barrier in communication (apparently also from your message above). I wonder... do you really understand what version you are reverting to, or are you doing it in blind support of Garnet's position? Do you understand what the deleted parts read, how they are sourced etc? NikoSilver 12:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Niko, I know that you are in Good Faith with you comments(but your some transactions are a little bit militantly like me:)).You are right in "lang.barrier", however my understanding/reading is better than my writings.So I dont want to involve to much in discussions to avoid from possible misunderstandings.I understand what is going on in that article. Who will decide the credibility of sources that is the matter. Lets try to put all sources and POVs in the page.May be this will be a better solution.Oppinion??

Regards. Must . T C 13:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The credibility of most of the sources that Garnet deleted was excelled by third party editors in previous discussions (especially Totten, Jacobs, Levene, Naimark etc). I have been requesting the addition of additional sources (especially ones disputing) for ever. You are more than welcome to expand. (yes, I understand the "reading better than writing" part; it happens to me all the time in French, and Italian and strangely enough also in Spanish and Portuguese). NikoSilver 13:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

TRNC diplomatic missions
Thanks for the response Niko. There is a category already for de facto embassies, and the TRNC article is part of the category. However because there is a TRNC embassy in Ankara and four consulates scattered around Turkey - recognised as diplomatic missions by the Turks (and nobody else) - then the article should fit in the category. Kransky 13:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The category was created by somebody else earlier. I understand that many Greeks are sensitive to this (as I would be if somebody invaded my homeland, invented a country in the territory they seized, and then treated it like a normal country). However I think we would be splitting hairs by having two separate categories for this and other articles (we have a List of Countries receiving snowfall, so should we have a List of partially recognised countries receiving snowfall?). Perhaps you might recommend some words to go in the article that explains no other country recognises the sole TRNC Embassy as a legitimate embassy. Kransky 13:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you very much, Niko. Admitting my mistakes and apologizing is an incredibly difficult thing for me to do, I assure you. But clearly I was in the wrong. I was going to give a more substantial apology than "My apologies" but then I thought a simpler apology would be more elegant, and if I went on I might have started to qualify my apology, which just wouldn't do. I'd hit you with a return barnstar for being so gracious about it, but then that'd look like a barnstar trade. I'll be keeping an eye out on you for the opportunity. Lexicon (talk) 13:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Kalimera
Ti les gia afto? Boris na valis ena heraki se parakalo? -Ego distihos den boro na kano apokatastasi tis orthis imerominias (11 Mai stin Ellada apo tin Elliniki Ekklisia) eortasmou ton Agion, kathos & tis orthis onomasias ton vorion gitonon mas, giati ine klidomeni i selida. :( Efharisto. --90.186.34.188 06:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

GEIA
Epidi tha lipso to epomeno sarandaochtaoro... Mporis na rihnis kai kammia matia kai s`afto to arthro? Aftos einai o mythoplastis... Thanks. --Asteraki 04:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Καλως σας βρηκα!
Βλεπω οτι υπαρχει πολυ δουλεια εδω, δυστυχως τα λιγα αγγλικα που γνωριζω δεν μου επιτρεπουν να συνεισφερω στον βαθμο που θα ηθελα... Προφανως ενιοτε θα σε συμβουλευομαι, ως -απ' οτι βλεπω- πολυ εμπειρο εδω. Ερρωσο! Helladios 13:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ellino-Tourkiko Polemos
Yiasou Niko,

Do you think you could look over some of the changes I made in the Greco-Turkish War of 1919-1922 articles? I added a sourced section on Turkish massacres of Christians, it would be great if you could add a bit as I'm sure there exists more documentation on extermination of Pontians. AlexiusComnenus 21:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to hand
But its what Nigger says. A quick search on Google Scholar brings up: "... For example, as the word "Nigger" comes to be less and less acceptable in the public conversation characterizing a particular milieu, we would expect it to ... " (Anonymous Expression: A Structural View of Graffiti G Gonos, V Mulkern, N Poushinsky - The Journal of American Folklore, 1976 - JSTOR).

Here is an example, but less academic: "The historic situation at the time of Mark Twain allowed everybody to use the word nigger as an acceptable term in English. Both African Americans and Caucasian Americans used it, but the character of the word depended on how it was pronounced. Depending on the intonation, it may indicate that the speaker is addressing an inferior, often times the Caucasian American being in the superior position."

If you think it needs sourcing better, I could probably find a better source, but it might take a bit more time (as I graduated I no longer have access to most journals and the OED). - Francis Tyers · 21:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually I think this is quite a large problem with the page in general. For example see 'abo'. Not to mention the sourcing issues... - Francis Tyers · 22:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue IX (V) - May 2007
21:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Very nice image!
Perhaps it should be added to the anti-Greek sentiment article? The article anti-Macedonian sentiment clearly defines it, so there shouldn't be any confusion. Thanks. - AimLook 23:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok...
...ευχαριστω για την προειδοποιηση, δεν το ηξερα αυτο. Ομως δεν υπαρχει καποιος εδω με την ιδιοτητα του παρατηρητη ή κατι τετοιο?? Helladios 13:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Where it goes
I think it's in the right place now: Wikipedia talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Miskin/Evidence. I wish the arbs would just get this overwith, the longer this goes on the more opportunity people have to argue with each other. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi
You wrote to me some time ago - I just wanna give it back :) So, Hi. I'd really love to say in Greek, but...not for now...maybe later when I get to studying it.

Hmmm and I was wonering...saw your workshop...sooo...a little tiny insignificant signature for me, pleeeease? When and if you have the time and the mood for such a thing of course. Sorry for the illogical things I write - I'm just happy to get off work and forgot how to use concentration :) --Laveol 17:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please step inside the signature shop where you will find a questionnaire is waiting for you to fill out.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  17:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

WP AN3
Γεια χαρα. Ο χρηστης 217.24.240.72 εχει κανει 3 revert στο Illyria. Θελω να το αναφερω στο WP:AN3, αλλα οπως σου ειπα τα Αγγλικα μου δεν ειναι πολυ καλα και δεν καταλαβαινω πως! Ακομα, το link στη σελιδα http://unitedalbanian.com που υπαρχει σε σχετικα με την Αλβανια θεματα ειναι ανεπιτρεπτο (μια ματια στα history και ethnic albania section αυτου του site θα σου εξηγησει γιατι) και βεβαιως εγω το αφαιρεσα. Helladios 01:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Κατάστημα υπογραφών
Θα μπορούσατε να σχεδιάσετε μια υπογραφή για με? Ευχαριστίες ;) -- Endo (Exo)  22:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I couldn't understand your Spanish. Try saying it again, but in English, please! --SweetCarmen 23:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I know what you're saying :). I learn a little Greek, especially when my father has un poco Grecia en el ;). Thank god I got the letters and words good. I'm adding greek to my Babel boxes. :) --SweetCarmen 23:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Ευχαριστίες, αλλά θα κολλήσω σε αυτή που έχω:). Πάλι, Ευχαριστίες! -- S WE ET CA RM EN ♥  16:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

...
Niko,

I suggest that you make yourself familiar with the writings of one Fr. John S. Romanides. He was probably not only one of the best theologians but also one of the best historians of the past century, especially when it came to the history of the Greek nation. He was a professor at Holy Cross, Brookline, Mass. and then later at the University of Thessaloniki during 1970-84

His writings are availible here: http://www.romanity.org

I highly recommend these short articles: http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.16.en.romanity_romania_roumeli.01.htm http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.21.en.the_ethnic_cleaning_of_roman_history.01.htm http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.02.en.the_cure_of_the_neurobiological_sickness_of_rel.01.htm#s1


 * Yes, that's why I referred you to names of the Greeks. The name you are using is old, and it is for the Greeks. In the modern context in modern Turkish, Rum means Greek, and Rum Kibrislilar mean Greek Cypriot, Roman Empire is called Roma Imparatorlugu. No anachronisms please. NikoSilver 18:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps in the modern colloquial usage, "Rum" is interpreted as to mean "Greek." But etymologically "Rum" comes out of the word "Rome." I think Romanides makes this clear, not mention the similarities between the two words, plus I checked with several Turkish friends. For me, either words have real meanings or they do not; I believe it is important to state the correct meanings. If we must state the colloquial usage of a word, we should state the historical etymological meaning as well.

And where is the word "Orthodox" in the phrase "Fener Rum Patriği?" "Fener" clearly means Phanar, "Rum" either means Roman or Greek (depending on your preference for the etymological meaning or colloquial usage) and "Patriği" clearly means Patriarch. Where is the word "Orthodox" in that?

If there is two Turkish legal names "Greek Orthodox Patriarch of the Phanar" (English format) and "Fener Rum Patriği" (Turkish format), and the two do not mean exactly the same thing we should not claim that they do (or at least admit that English is only a loose translation).

Facts are facts, we should not mislead people...

Btw, you wouldn't happen to be the same Nick "Silver" Asimenios who works at St. Nickolas' church in Scarborough, Toronto and also studied at TOTA?


 * No, I'm not him, and "Silver" has more than one translations in Greek. The other stuff has already been responded to where applicable. NikoSilver 15:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Greek help
Niko, if you're around, can you work some of your Greek magic at Palilalia? Thanks ! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 23:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Is there something in the water? It must be the -lalia week. Someone just did something to echolalia that needs attention. :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ Anything for you Sandy! NikoSilver 23:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Gosh, you work fast for free !! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ the edit was good. It copied the definition of lalein from the other article. I just made some cleanup and added a reference for echo. NikoSilver 11:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again :-) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Slavic place names of Greece
Help needed in this article(Slavic toponymes in Greece)! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places. Very strange article that doesn’t uses any sources. Please check the talk page, Plese advise and help. Regards (Seleukosa 19:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

No you may not
So don't. KP Botany 00:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, but now you are turning away from your friends also.[1] No problem, I can take it. NikoSilver 00:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, my, do I owe you an apology. Although I disagree with what you said, you have never acted towards me in a way that merited what I said to you above.  I did not snap at everyone who disagreed with me in the fracas, only those who were relentlessly pursuing me, or personally attacking me, with one exception, and that is you.  I am sorry that I spoke so unkindly to you, when you have never behaved in a way that merited that response from me, no matter what you said, as I personally know you to be able to disagree with content without disagreeing with the person or agree with content without agreeing with the person--you deserved better from me for having never acted so badly towards me, and for having an intelligent sense of humor.  KP Botany 22:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course I didn't notice. Have I ever given the impression that I pay attention to details?  I hope you did a roll-over on the coffee I offered up.  KP Botany 14:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll consider the user page reversion--but, since David ShankBone is still calling me a troll, I'm not sure. Oh, go ahead, I owe you one.  KP Botany 15:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey mister navigator...
do you think Fournoi and Fournoi Korseon should be merged? But under which title? They both seem to be about the same thing – Fournoi is ostensibly only about the principal island, and links to Fournoi Korseon as being the name of the settlement on the same - but Fournoi Korseon is in fact not about that, but about the whole group of islets. Confusing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm funniest thing is the translation: "Corset Ovens" lol! I'll check my maps next weekend. However, typically in Greece when we add a locale in genitive after the name, we do it for disambiguation purposes (i.e. there must be other Fournoi in other Greek provinces). So I expect Fournoi and Fournoi Korseon to refer to the same thing. Only problem is I've never heard of Korsoi, Korseoi or whatever... NikoSilver 18:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Γεια σου Νίκο
Hi Niko. I see you are very active on Wikipedia and since I'm relatively new here I wanted to ask you about the Aromanian article. I happen to think it's a well-written and well-sourced article. Despite some negative comments from Greek users on its talk page, I think the Greek Wikiproject ought to submit it for review. What do you think?Zambetis 11:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Talking about Aromanians or about Aromanian language? Forget the negative comments if they are not productive and bring it up in WT:GREECE for group discussion. NikoSilver 12:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Niko - are you getting harassed by IP socks or something? Anything I can help with? - A l is o n  ☺ 19:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

What is the problem?
With the term Grkomani? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jingiby (talk • contribs) 10:57, June 26, 2007


 * The fact that it is completely unsourced for the whole group, the fact that it is pejorative (see Macedonia (terminology)), and the fact that it is a minority pov within a specific country. NikoSilver 11:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Jingby 15:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

MakNews, the sequel
Hi Niko, you definitely weren't crazy. The problem with the earlier threads is that we can't block Wikipedia users for comments made off-wiki, since our policies don't apply to other websites, and at the time we didn't have enough on-wiki violations to justify a substantial block. But inevitably nationalist POV-pushers turn to sockpuppetry, open proxies, etc. when they can't get their way, as this guy has, and this behavior justifies blocking him. I'll put some of the articles you mentioned in the ANI thread on my watchlist to see if more trouble develops. --Akhilleus (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just going to ask you about this whole Alexander the Great stuff. I see him attempting sockpuppetry or whatever this is on a number of articles - Kroum Pindoff, Steve Stavro, Steve Staios and José Theodore with his faithful (imaginary?) friend Uuttyyrreess. I know you were involved in dealing with him/them, but is there any chance of him not getting away with all this? Permanently, I mean :) -- L a v e o l  T 16:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Laveol why do you think that I am “attempting sockpuppetry” simply because I am adding sources to articles. If you look at the articles I have been editing “sockpupets” have not been used, just because I am adding factual information to articles you should not make false accusations. Now you seem to want to get rid of me “Permanently”. I question your motives, as there is no reason for me to be banned “Permanently” as I have not broken any rules. You seem to be trying to organize a plot to have me banned simply because I am Macedonian and am adding non-partisan sources to articles that make them more accurate. It is very unfortunate that this is happening as it illustrates the problems that face a neutral and factual Wikipedia. You also keep on feeding the racial lie that all Macedonian editors are sockpuppets. A check was requested by Mr.Neutron and it showed that I am not a sockpuppet of the user you mentioned. Alexander the great1 17:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfB
Thank you so much for your participation in my recent RfB. Though it closed with 72% support (below the required 90%), I'm still quite pleased at the outpouring of support shown by a fair percentage of the community.

I'm currently tabulating and calculating all opposing and neutral arguments to help me better address the community's concerns about my abilities as a bureaucrat. If you'd like, you can follow my progress (and/or provide additional suggestions) at User:EVula/admin/RfB notes. Thanks again!

An additional thanks for emailing me and helping me sort through my own foot-shooting. ;) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 04:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Request
Hello Niko.

Listen. I am not sure if you received my email I just sent today. I need to speak to you for a minute off-wiki about something. If you are not interested, then forget about it. Later. Deucalionite 18:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail re-enabled
I am not sure if I re-enabled my email address, but try to send me an email (my email address is my name plus the number 33 at yahoo). From there, we can begin our discussion once I send my reply. Thank you for agreeing to speak with me off-wiki. Deucalionite 21:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have not received any emails and I don't think my email address is deactivated. Should I create a new email account? Deucalionite 21:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Phra to munhma sou. Deucalionite 21:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:U
No problem, but I don't understand what is meant by the phrase "users with such usernames are requested to help them navigate", so perhaps you could clarify that?  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  10:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd say. There are many parts of policy pages that people aren't blocked for not complying with - the wording could make that clear ("are suggested to..." rather than "must", for instance).  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  12:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Καλησπέρα
Hey, do you like my new signature?

Ka pn is ma  ?

I've practiced all my espionage tactics on your Manhattan Project and after being able to penetrate in SIPRNet, this is the result! What do you think? Ka pn is ma  ? 18:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Haha, congrats on the spy sh**! You need to improve the code too, though, if you want to become an ultra-efficient cryptographer/anti-spy. You don't need three repetitions of "font color" if it's gonna be for the same color. Below is the same sig, with half the communication data, per the cryptology-101 lesson which may help you against possible infiltration by the evil alien forces:

Kapnisma ?


 * There you go. Now go out and fight those bad guys! NikoSilver 21:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I am ready to go! And repel the subterranean homesick aliens who have possessed the bodies of our fellowmen and reveal the Apollonian Light to all mankind!!!!!! Kapnisma ? 21:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol, maybe I should quit smoking... NikoSilver 21:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Niko, it's me again, can you please tell me how can I upload a picture from the Greek Wikipedia, here? I mean, what should I write in the copyright section? Kapnisma ? 18:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Bravo...
lol... Pote ta kanis ola afta re a8eofobe; Ali8ia, prolabenis kai na kimi8is ka8olou; :D Ti arrostia kiklofori... Den xeroun ti tous ginete... kai laspologoun ta malakismena. Kitaxe se parakalo: ca, lt, pt, ro, etc. .... --Asteraki 11:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Touto edo mas prosbali os Ellines, opos kai i anafora peri "episimis" onomasias sto aerodromio ton akatanomaston... Pia i gnomi sou kir-Niko? --Asteraki 11:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Birds of Macedonia
Hi. Do you know where is this List of birds of Macedonia referring to? Mr. Neutron 17:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Easy. Would it contain gulls? :-) NikoSilver 17:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Gulls appear, I dont know how indicative this is. Mr. Neutron 17:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know, I was trying to be funny. The first source does not specify (it says "country or region: Macedonia"), but it is also in the language of the republic among many others. The second source is a(n inaccessible by me) book. I guess we can't know... NikoSilver 17:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * How is this going to be disambiguated: Totò Mr. Neutron 18:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This troll is back on the forum . And it is 100% certain he is behind the recent attacks, see what he is searching in google Canada. Mr. Neutron 18:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Athens Meetup?
I've got two invitations to Adelaide meetups, but I haven't been there in years. :P How 'bout an Athens meetup? It would be probably useful to also meet whoever's responsible for the el version, it seems it ain't going really well. Dr. Manos 12:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Mano don't you think the timing is lousy? Everybody is off to the beaches (including yours truly). I definitely want a meetup, but how about in -say- October? (that is if the global warming allows us even then!) In any case, if you arrange it, I'll try to come, but I'm afraid the attendance will be minimal. NikoSilver 20:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

re Nice name
no grudges, certainly. i tend to be 'curt' in my edit summaries, indeed, but grudges are pointless. thanks for your comments. Anastrophe 22:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * actually, under the 'fundamental facts' on my main user page is my real name, which is even "greeker"....Anastrophe 23:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * i sure wish wikipedia had a better way of having this sort of conversation. it's so disjointed to have half on one user's discussion page, half on the other...Anastrophe 23:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOSMAC
No, I don't think MOSMAC can fairly be read as you would read it; the clause to which you appeal was justified as requiring "former Yugoslav Republic..." in articles like Eurovision Song Contest, where there is a clear subhect with clear usage.

You have now appealed to official usage, which we do not follow; if we did, Tenedos would now be at Bozcaada. You have also, and in the same edit, denied its importance.

Enough; please go have a nice cup of tea; and if it has some Tobermory in it, I'll never know. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummm Tenedos/Bozcaada is a relevant example indeed, because neither uses the name the country occupying it suggests. Therefore, I'm not appealing to official usage of the sort. Once more, "Accession of RoM to EU" is a factually incorrect title, which foresees something (highly unlikely). It misinforms for the present, and is a blatant POV for the future. "Accession of RoM to EU" should direct to why it isn't so; not to what is (because it isn't). And, yes, I'm drinking again, having returned from an exhausting day-trip to Sofia... NikoSilver 21:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Macedonia_barbed_wire.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Macedonia_barbed_wire.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

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If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Bleh999 01:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ The rationale was there, it only needed a little polishing with the relative template, which I did. The image was originally uploaded by admin User:FrancisTyers, and was only minor-edited by me. NikoSilver 10:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

the same things again
Please, take a look here.

Kapnisma ? 09:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Question
I recall that, once upon a time, you linked to an edit war between two users edit warring with eachother from the same IP. Do you by chance remember the article? (Alternately, am I confusing you with someone else?) I'd like to use it is a humorour example of something. No rush. :-) Picaroon (Talk) 23:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, funny it was. You remember the discussion here, and the article I was talking about was Odorheiu Secuiesc. This is the exact bit of history you're interested in. Have fun! :-) NikoSilver 00:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I found the following edit summaries particularily hilarious:


 * "on second thoughts I'll revert myself, I don't want to be a vandal any longer"
 * "rv myself, bad me!"


 * LOL, the second guy had a great sense of humor! NikoSilver 00:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks very much! Happy editing. Picaroon (Talk) 18:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Debate on the correct adjective for Kosovo
Hi! Based on your interest in the Balkans, you may be interested in the currently ongoing debate on whether we should be using Kosovo or Kosovar/Kosovan as the adjective for Kosovo. — Nightstallion 15:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

You got mail
...@gr. Duja ► 10:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Narodno Osloboditelen Front
This seems to be blatant ethnic Macedonian POV related to Greece. Should it be offered for deletion, as it cannot possibly be sourced. Mr. Neutron 16:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

National Liberation War of Macedonia
The topic was locked in confusional situation after vandalisation from two annonimous, probably FYROM - Users. Please could you help, i thank you in advance! Jingby 18:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Niko
I'd be interested in your input on Talk:Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. I renamed the article Northern Cyprus per WP:COMMON, but it was named back immediately. It doesn't look like many Greek(-speaker)s have much to do with that article, but at least there ought to be some discussion of the name. Regards, Pro hib it O ni o ns  (T) 08:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

image of Alexander
somebody erased Alexander's image from the page with the Greeks... ok- it's back

XAIPETE
tora den exo Ellhnikous xaraktires ara tha to anexteis afto... fysika tha voithiso opou mporo alla tora apo xrono den exw poly diathesimo, eidika afton ton kairo... pantws aftos pou evgale ton Mega Alexandro apo tin eikona me tous Ellhnes me evale se skepseis...oraia...aftoi na meinoun. mhpws omws prepei na kanoume tin eikona sti selida Greeks 2x3 i 2x4 gia na valoume ton Platwna kai kapoion vyzantino aftokratora opws ton Manuel Komnhno i ton Vasileio ton B ton Voulgaroktono ? vevea gia gynaikai ti tha ginei? i monh anagnorisimh einai i Kleopatra alla mhh gemisoume arxaious... ki ystera, den exoume kai polles eikones ths

Fair use rationale for Image:Apogevmatini Macedonians.gif
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