User talk:Ninnette

My name is Ninnette Aquino and I work for Effective Media Group ("EMG"). EMG is a public relations company representing National Society of High School Scholars ("NSHSS"). On April 13, 20111, NSHSS was deleted from Wikipedia. I am trying to appeal this process as circumstances have changed, but am very confused with the process. Can you walk me through, the appeal?

Ninnette (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC) Ninnette


 * We need to understand why the article was deleted in the first place. I'm seeing from Articles for deletion/National Society of High School Scholars that one of the main concerns was that every source in the article was primary. That is to say, every fact was tied to something published by the NSHSS itself. In order to have an article on Wikipedia, a subject must be Notable, and that notability must be documented and verifiable through the use of multiple Reliable Sources independent of the subject. From looking at the deleted article, I also note that it reads as if it were advertising copy; it's almost lauditory when complimenting the NSHSS's activities, and includes a long list of award winners. Articles on wikipedia must be Neutral in tone. Finally, as you've self-acknowledged a working relationship with the subject, you're going to want to have a look at our Conflict of interest policy.


 * My advice, at this point, would be to find news articles or the like that discuss NSHSS and its activities. If you cannot find these, it is unlikely in the extreme that the article could be resurrected. That's step one. Good luck - Hope this helps. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 16:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have userified the article to User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars and you may work on it there. Please note Wikipedia's WP:COI, WP:ARTSPAM, and WP:NPOV and take note that even if you are a public relations representative for the Society any article you write about them must follow those guidelines (I know I'm hammering this in multiple times, but you'd be surprised the number of people we get in this situation who just don't understand them). I would also recommend getting the article reviewed by either someone in or me (you can contact me on my talk page) before sending it back into mainspace to lessen the possibility someone will claim it is biased due to your conflict of interest. All the best and good luck,  Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 17:04, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Never thought I see this article again (I was the nominator for its deletion). See also this cautionary essay: WP:PEW. Phearson (talk) 08:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Phearson (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Further to email
Hi.

OK, so, where we're at is, we have User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars - and you can edit that as much as you like; and there's no deadline.

The important bit
(ie, the minimim needed to have a live article)

What it mostly needs - the most essential thing of all - is, to show evidence that the NSHSS is "notable" in the Wikipedia-sense of that word; and that means, showing significant coverage in independent reliable sources.

That's the key to the whole thing; that is all that is required, for a live article. For example, imagine I wrote this;

 Somebody is a pop singer/whatever from someplace. They had a hit single with "something" in 2010. Somebody appeared at Some Festival in 2010.

Assuming those three refs were good reliable sources, then that - just that - would be a perfectly acceptable article.

So, the key to acceptance is not the length of the article; it's a matter of satisfying "notability". Three or so newspaper articles about the thing, with more than a passing mention, should do.

That is, by far, the most important thing.

The other important bit
Now - moving on from that, we come to the issue of verifiability - that is, the reader should (in theory/if they want) be able to check the facts all true.

That means, all the claims need a good reference. Please have a look at WP:IRS.

So, it says, "founded in 2002 by Claes Nobel". And the reference given is,.

That reference does indeed talk about Mr. Nobel, but it doesn't say when it was founded. (Unless I missed it; if I did, my apologies)

At this point, I need to say something about "Primary sources".

A "Primary source" - such as the institutions own website - can be used, with caution; there are 3 caveats; For more info about that, see WP:PSTS
 * It can be used as a reference for a neutral 'fact' -for example... ChzzCo is based in London. -that's OK
 * It canNOT be used for any kind of claim -for example... ChzzCo has over 9000 customers per year. -that is NOT OK
 * Primary sources do not help show 'notability' - because all articles need to show "significant coverage in independent reliable sources"

So. All the facts should have a reference to a reliable source.

The not very important bit
I could offer other advice; it could use some pretty pictures, prettier references, an infobox, and all kinds of other bells-and-whistles.

But, as you've probably gathered by now, none of that matters; only three things really matter.

References, references, and references.

There is no deadline; no hurry. So feel free to work on it. Also, it'll help lots if you work on other things - because a) you'll learn more about Wikipedia, b) you don't get labelled as a single-purpose account, c) you'll probably meet other people who can help you, d) - most importantly - it's good fun editing. At least, I think it is.

I hope that helps a bit, and hope to speak again soon.

All the best,  Chzz  ► 18:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars
User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Ninnette/National Society of High School Scholars during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Phearson (talk) 02:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I currently working on rewriting this piece. I have contacted several people through wiki that have explained all facts must be backed up with facts. I am currently in this process. Please contact me for draft.

--98.203.82.41 (talk) 13:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Ninnette

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