User talk:Nishkid64/Archive 30



RfA Q4
Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. I don't consider any dispute simple—if something escalates to a personal attack, however inane, it's ceased to be simple—, hence the "scare quotes". Sorry if I wasn't completely clear, and no need to apologize. Grill me :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Unprotect Trylon SMR wiki
I tried to create a wiki for Trylon SMR, and included a hangon tag, but t appears this was ignored and the article summarily deleted/protected. How can I plead my case?

--Cyberdov 18:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I deleted the article because the article did not assert the notability of the subject. If you want to plead your case, please provide me with links (please make sure they meet WP:RS; examples include newspapers and such) showing why the company is notable per WP:CORP. You can also go to WP:DRV and plead your case there. You'll receive a wider community input if you choose to go there. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 20:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Donut!



 * Indeed! ;) Be sure to eat it while it's still warm! -- Captain Wikify Argh! 20:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

JB's misdeeds
In order to avoid WP:BEANS, I've replied to you mail, dear Nish :) Love,  P h a e d r i e l  - 22:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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Mousepad!
hey; your protection of Mousepad expired, and almost immediately, we were right back into edit kerfluffled with the anonymous IP that is Armando. You can see the fun in the history; the page was left untouched all of May, because when he's not doing his edits, it's a solid, if boring article with little to add.

Anyway, you're external to the issue, but you've dealt with this before and are familiar with the situation, so before I throw it to the wolves...err...the general admin crowd, I thought I'd ask if you would mind reprotecting it, for a longer period, before poor Dickylon gets burned out too badly. --Thespian 21:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Just thought I'd add that there have only been three or four IPs that have vandalized the article since May 28. You should give them proper warnings (WP:WARN), and report them to WP:AIV if they continue to vandalize, rather than protect the article. · AndonicO Talk 21:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Will, sadly, be ignored; there's one person, on an IP address; he is, in point, the patent holder from the late 70s. You can find he seems to have gone, well, rather mad; you can do web searches on the origin of the mousepad and find him correcting people about it constantly. So the IPs change, but its quite provably the same person from the content of the edits. The problem is he can't be blocked, because his IP is so fluid. And he will do this *constantly*; at his peak, he's made these changes over 15 times a day for days running at a time, changing IP addresses every 4-5 changes. Protecting the page is all that seems to work; the page is protected, and he has no interest in anything but claiming that he is the sole inventor of the mousepad, regardless of prior art, and he leaves Wikipedia alone. This is exactly why I brought it to Nishkid, btw, because unless someone has seen this information in the past, they suggest exactly what you did, which unfortunately is not going to work, and is burning good editors out. --Thespian 04:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention to this. --Thespian 05:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

1990's wrestling boom
why did you delete the 1990's wrestling boom articleLopeyter 01:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)lopeyter
 * I deleted the article under WP:CSD. The article that existed before you created it, had a great deal of information, but was deleted by an AfD. In your article, I didn't see anything too different from the information in the pre-deleted version, so I decided to delete it again. IF you wish to protest the deletion, you must go to WP:DRV and plead your case there. I suggest you look at the Articles for deletion/1990s wrestling boom, as there are many cases as to why the article did not meet policy. Nishkid64 (talk) 00:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Recreation of Lelliott coma
User:Goodbye2207 recreated this article, which you had just speedied. --Rrburke(talk) 17:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Disappearance of Madeleine McCann
Hi, I have reverted your edit to the reference list. We have had several discussions on this and the regular editors find the existing format clearer. Though the list is somewhat shorter following the article split it will grow rapidly again. Please raise your views on the talk page if you wish to pursue the matter. TerriersFan 01:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Rfa
Just dropping by to say "thank you" for supporting me in my recent my RfA. I passed the vote, and am now an admin. It will take me some getting used to with the new tools, but I thank you again for the trust. Have a good one, and, as always, happy editing! Jmlk 1  7  04:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit
WP:LOCE has an incredibly long queue. You may be better off at WP:PR or WP:BIOPR. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you put something in at both WP:PR or WP:BIOPR you will almost surely get some feedback within 2 weeks. I have 5 articles in at PR (2 of which are also at BIOPR).  If you put something in at WP:LOCE it could take a year. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ITN
Yea I can see your point of view, but I didn't see it as notable since a "Bartonella rochalimae" search on Google news led me to only one article, which was by the "Qatar times", and a search of "Bartonella" only yielded 3 articles (each trivializing the bacteria by ignoring how fatal it is and trumping up how it is the source of cat-scratch fever). In addition, the article does not substantiate its significance. But you seem to be well-informed on the topic and its importance so I'll yield to your judgment : ) AdamBiswanger1 17:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:WP65.jpg listed for deletion
Just wanted to inform you that the above image has been nominated for deletion at IfD. I had tagged it as orphaned fair use and you removed the tag indicating it was not a fair use image. You may wish to comment on the nomination.--User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: RFA
Hey Nishkid64. Thanks very much for writing that great nom. I'm personally fine with the RFA as it stands. If any of the others who mentioned it want to add a nom later that's fine, but I wouldn't worry about asking them to. I am going to be away from my computer all day tomorrow (traveling to a Wikipedia meetup in fact) but I should be back on Sunday. Therefore I won't start the RFA until I'm back on Sunday if that's alright with you, to make sure I am around to answer any questions that people might post. Thanks again. Regards. Will (aka Wimt ) 00:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

J. R. Richard
I have started copy editing J. R. Richard. I have left a lot of internal comments with questions inside of the article. Many things I could not fix because of my utter ignorance of baseball or my uncertainty of the article's meaning. Please take time to look at those. Also, please review my changes to see if any of them are incorrect. I did change the meaning of some sentences deliberately (something "copy editing" is not really supposed to encompass). Awadewit | talk  04:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

DYK article Pappu Kalani
Thanks for putting this one up!! I am gradually working through a list of Indian criminal-politicians... and this one was part of the mumbai gang!

Lelliott Coma
there was no need 2 delete lelliott coma, it was perfectly valid and contained important information.

Sustainable development portal
Hi Nishkid64. For some reason, I'm getting virtually no action at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sustainable development. Would you be willing to take a look and weigh in on the nomination? Thanks, RichardF 12:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :-) RichardF 00:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Your sig
I noticed your sig over on WT:RFA, and realized that it could be modified slightly.

Old sig: Nishkid64 (talk)

"New" sig: Nishkid64 (talk)

Just a little less code (134 characters vs. 141 characters), and it drops the font tag entirely (which has been depreciated with the rise of XHTML and CSS).

Feel free to completely ignore this; I'm just a major advocate for compressing code where possible, and dropping font tags anywhere on the site that I find them. :) EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 16:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

talk page
I am well aware of the full consequence of my actions and my behavior. Until people want to stick to the content and not spam my talk page with useless requests, I will blank that page. In the meantime, in an attempt to actually focus on the merits of the site itself, i started a new topic here. That aside, I have removed the site from athletes in the Baseball hall of fame and on the Kevin Youkilis page. I spent a great deal of time reworking the article and that site was not in the EL section before that rework. Any more discussion should take place on the topic that i started. Regards //Tecmobowl 16:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention that I have also removed it from a handful of baseball players pages, in the meantime, there are still over 100 examples of the site in use at wiki. I believe I am being more than reasonable here.//Tecmobowl 17:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but you have done nothing to help the situation. I am shocked to see this from an admin.  This is the third or fourth action from an admin that i have seen that leaves me scratching my head as to how in the heck admins are given out.  Have you seen how many edits he has made to my talk page? Have you looked at the reverts he has engaged in?  He reverts edits simply on the merit that he wants a site included in the EL section, a site he is the main supporter of.  I don't remember which at the top of my head, but one of them even included two links to the same page. Instead of engaging in a discussion focussed on the content of the site, he leaves messages in numerous places and starts discussions on project pages that are more directed at me than the content.  You want to fix the problem, then do something about it.  Otherwise, I don't know what you expect from me. //Tecmobowl

My RfA :)
Thanks again for your very on-topic and relevant question. I hope I can use the tools wisely! Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Tecmobowl
Hi. I left this note on Tecmobowl's talk page and, as you can see, removed your comment. I did this because I thought that it was likely that my note Epeefleche's talk page (exactly the same message) would make him look at Tecmobowl's talk page - and that the AIV posting might cause a very negative reaction, making dispute resolution more difficult. Hope this makes sense, and is OK with you. Cheers TigerShark 17:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nishkid64 - Please look at Tigersharks actions here...this is the essence of constructive progress. Epeefleche's actions have been ridiculous.  I will continue to be bold in my editing of wiki.  Until people can respond with reason, I will continue to act in the way that i do. I have left messages with the cabal on their talk page and tried to move the discussion toward the topic at hand.  I appreciate your efforts, but let's stick to the content and not the people involved. //Tecmobowl 18:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the DYK tip. To be honest, that discussion was so spread out and disjointed, that I have no idea what came out of it.  I left the link on over 100 articles, so I think my actions have been reasonably fair.  I am going to keep it out of HOF articles, significant players, and Kevin Youkilis (for reasons mentioned), until there is a good solid discussion.  I am not going to expunge it from all of wiki, although that's what I'd like to do.  Those are the only articles I am going to keep it out of.  It wouldn't hurt if the other user simply kept out the disputed information rather than reverting entire edits, but that doesn't seem likely so I'll just keep on trucking. //Tecmobowl 18:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The Rfa Sinks
Yes. I look back on the Rfa... Such a spur of the moment choice! A mistake for me, at the moment. I did it on a whim, an ineffable high... But it doesnt matter. It should close now. If you could do that for me, it would be much appreciated. And, as for your opinion? -- do you think my final examination at the end there was in the right direction? Any advice you could give me, at all? It would be greatly appreciated from an experienced admin such as yourself. Thanks again, Anonymous Dissident  Utter 23:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've handled everything. As for your RfA, your final examination was correct. Speedy deletion tagging is always a problem, and if you make mistakes, it will come back and bite you in the butt (it's actually happened to one my RfA nominees). Anyway, I think you need to examine speedy deletion more carefully, and also analyze the criteria again. Remember, if there's any assertion of notability, either leave it alone, prod it or send it to AfD. I think it was your over-hasty tagging that resulted in the opposition for your RfA. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million. Your advice is basically what I garnered from the opposes. So ironic -- I did all of that new page patrolling to get my mainspace count a bit higher at the last minute, and it becomes the catalyst for my RFA's undoing! :p

Oh well, I guess there is always next time. Anonymous Dissident Utter 00:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
Hey. I'm Xihix from RSC, and I think its cool to have a Wikipedia admin on the site! Thanks a lot for what you've done for this great site :) Xihix 02:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Response
Yeah, I understand what you were saying. But the quanity of edits is a factor. I'm not saying it's the most important one but it is still important. RuneWiki       777   21:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Quantity matters sometimes, but when we cite edit counts, we are trying to elaborate why we do not think a particular user is experienced enough for adminship. Edit count sometimes correlates to experience, but that's not always true. For example, see SirFozzie's RfA. He has a very low mainspace edit total, yet he's getting unanimous support, even from me. I usually oppose people based on inexperience, and I use editcounts sometimes to make a judgment call (but usually it's more of an evaluation of the editor's contributions that I look at). Also, see WP:EDITCOUNT. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Warn boxes
Can I copy that box into my user-talk page for my usage, or is warning a admin-only deal? AgentFade2Black 21:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel free to use the warning boxes. Warnings can be issued by anyone on Wikipedia. Good luck, Nishkid64 (talk) 22:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured Portal Candidates or lack there of...
The page mentioned above is practically inactive. I'm new to the whole portal thing, but saw you're name on the page's talk page so decided to alert you to the mini-crisis. It would be great if you could go through the nominations there & possibly promote/decline/weigh in on some? Some have been sitting there for ages & I fear that because my nomiantion is there also that it too will have to wait forever before being promoted. Anyway, whatever you do to help will be appreciated. Regards, Spawn Man 04:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind - CJ has updated everything. Thanks, Spawn Man 05:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC) :)

Tellyaddict
Hi Nishkid64 :-) I thought because I have communicated with you a lot on Wikipedia that I am Tellyaddict and this is my new account, I decided to get a fresh start in early May and created this new account, you can see the detailed reasons on my old userpage. Regards -- The Sunshine Man 12:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Florida
Please unprotect Florida. Laughpick 17:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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Request for comments
Hello, ... About a month ago, we had contact regarding my drafts for protocols to "slow down" the proposed and speedy deletion processes ... I've been busy with other projects since then, and used the time to let ideas percolate in the back of my mind, but I have recently readdressed the protocols from a fresh point of view, and took the time to learn how to make templates.

Please see User talk:72.75.70.147 and give me your feedback on the templates I have created for boilerplate warnings to be placed on editor's and articles talk pages prior to placing a PROD or CSD on an article. Happy Editing! &mdash; 19:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

J. R. Richard
I will edit after some WP:PR feedback come in. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson
Why is User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson full protected? -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@(Let's Go Yankees!) 22:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm...I can't ask him. That's why I came here :). R is not an admin (yet :)) -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@(Let's Go Yankees!) 00:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Gilbert and Sullivan
I've cut the lead down about as much as I felt comfortable doing. What do you think? Adam Cuerden talk 01:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like Sam just slashed the third paragraph. I'll have another look in the morning as well, though I suspect we're hitting diminishing returns now.
 * Is there anything else that worries you about the article?  Adam Cuerden talk 02:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I do appreciate it: It's good to have new eyes in. Adam Cuerden talk 17:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tulu language
Sir, Looks like this page is seeing revert wars for sometime now. The IP making many of these edits seems to be the banned User:Sarvabhaum. Please consider atleast "soft locking" the article.Dineshkannambadi 13:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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Help with a Page Move
I was hoping that you could help with an imminent article move that I am going to do. The discussion is here. Any input would be advised as a number of articles suffer from the same problem. If we can come up with a good "system", we could systematically fix the problem.//Tecmobowl 03:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughts. I have added a response.//Tecmobowl 09:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank You
It looks like my Request for Admin has closed successfully at (58/8/2). Your support is a thing I'm very grateful for. Looking beyond my (admittedly low) edit count and voting support was a great thing to me. I consider it my duty to try to live up to the trust that you and others have shown in me. SirFozzie 17:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Sivaji
I have been forced to revert all your changes due to the fact that you have participated in no major discussion before mass redevelopment. Please edit after making a discussion about your plans on either the Talk: Sivaji:The Boss page or the User talk:Universal Hero page. Thanking You. Universal Hero 10:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe there were mass changes being made to the page. Please read WP:OWN. People are going to be edit the article, so your best bet is to discuss on the talk page if you think someone is making an incorrect edit. Please don't just revert everyone's additions, and then re-insert them manually, since that is just wasting time. Also, it seems like you added back all the changes I had initially made to the article. Thanks, and keep up the good work on the article. Nishkid64 (talk) 15:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Skin graft
You have contributed a lot Thank you.I found the article about Skin grafting here http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/31842.html Hence put it up.Harlowraman 21:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. Could you please rephrase it when you put that bit into the article? Readers would be confused when you write that Rajini became "white". You should probably mention his skin disorder, and then introduce the Indiaglitz reference, explaining how the film producers overcame that problem. Nishkid64 (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for protection
Thanks! It was getting tiring watching it keep bouncing back and forth on my watchlist. Hopefully this'll help and force them to work it out instead. -Bbik ★ 23:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Be sure to let me know, or report to WP:RFPP when the disagreements are resolved, or the discussion has stopped. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 23:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. Though I'm far more curious to see if discussion will even start. -Bbik ★ 00:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Nish, Thank you for your comments at my RfA. Let me know if I can help you and feel free to let me know if I mess up anywhere. Cheers. Shyamal 03:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Copy of posting on Haelstrom's page
Hi User:Haelstrom and thanks for your e-mail to me directly rather than on wiki. To clarify, I'm not an administrator on this project, or though I like to think I am a relatively seasoned editor. I will review your comments and the actions of User:RandomHumanoid and User:Nishkid64 if you wish, and certainly make a comment here. However I would say that your e-mail address incorporting "randomhumanoidsucks" is not a great start. Please remember WP:CIVIL is a policy that I presonally feel WP:IAR does not apply to. I wish you the best when your block ends, and will add a comment when I have reviewed the situation. I have copied this post to both the other editors for transparency. Pedro |  Chat 09:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

a revert war
Sir, a revert war is in progress in Kannada script. Please lock this page up untill issues are ironed out.Dineshkannambadi 14:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Review of Joshua A. Norton
In general, I thought that this article was quite good. You have managed to write a clear, full portrait of a rather obscure historical figure - nice work. Here are the things that I think you might need to address before the article can become an FA:


 * General issues:
 * The biggest problem that I see in the article is that it has a bit of an "in-universe" feel to the writing. I am not sure that we should be presenting the article from Norton's perspective, as it were. So, for example, I do not believe that he should be called the "Emperor" in the article, I believe that he should always be referred to as "Norton."
 * The lead is not a standalone summary of the article per WP:LEAD: "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources."
 * Is there speculation on what his mental condition might have been? Usually biographers and historians like to try and guess those sorts of things.


 * MOS kinds of issues:
 * Don't link individual years per WP:DATE unless they are linked to some specific page. Although the policy says "some people feel this way" and "some people feel that way," at FAC I've only ever seen "don't link individual years."
 * I was recently informed that people with dyslexia have a hard time reading large blocks of italics. You might want to consider de-italicizing your blocked quotes. (I had italicized my blocked quotes as well.)
 * All of your footnotes should be cited in exactly the same way. There are some inconsistencies right now. Also, please italicize the titles of all newspapers and books.


 * Sources - not all of your sources appear to be reliable. Can you get this information from other places?
 * Patricia E. Carr. Emperor Norton I: The benevolent dictator beloved and honored by San Franciscans to this day. American History. Retrieved on 23 April 2007. - Looks a little sketchy once you go back to the home page. Not really clear what the page is. It definitely looks self-published.
 * Dakers, Hazel (April 6, 2000). Benjamin Norden (1798-1876). Southern Africa Jewish Genealogy. JewishGen.org. Retrieved on September 18, 2006. - This looks like it might be self-published, too.
 * Kit and Morgan Benson (1 January 2001). Joshua "Emperor Norton I" Norton (1819 - 1880). Find A Grave. Retrieved on 17 April 2007. - This site is unreliable. Here is a quote from their page: "Who is behind Find A Grave? Well, first of all, you are. Thousands of contributors submit new listings, updates, corrections, photographs and virtual flowers every hour. The site simply wouldn't exist without the 200,000+ contributors." Who's to say that they are right?
 * Joel Gazis-Sax (1998). He abolishes Congress. Retrieved on 24 April 2007. - This also looks like it is probably self-published. (You have several citations from this site.)
 * The San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. California Department of Transportation. Retrieved on 18 April 2007. Can you not find this information somewhere a little more reliable? The page, because it lacks an author, does not fill me with confidence, even though it appears to be from the CDT.
 * Examples of Emperor Norton Notes. Wells Fargo History Museum. Retrieved on 19 September 2006. - This site seems to be a conglomeration of self-published contributions - see here. Can you not get the notes form the Museum site itself?
 * Asbury, Herbert (1933). The Barbary Coast. Garden City Publishing Company, Inc. - Please note that the site says "adapted from" the book. I suggest you find the book or make that clear in the citation.

If you want to paste this review somewhere more convenient, feel free to do so. I hope that it helps. I didn't really have that much to say. Awadewit | talk  08:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Tamilnet
I really have to commend you for the arguments you brought out against why Tamilnet is not RS. To be frank, to make Wikipedia to work what is needed is, people with your caliber more than knee jerk editors who really don’t think through their point of view before editing. But that is the flip side of open source editing, we have to take the riff raf with smart ones like you as a group, but I really do have to say thank you for providing the points so that we could discuss the differences civilly. As you may have seen, I kept out of the discussion as much as possible so that truly neutral people can come to a conclusion. Fore example take a look at Sarathambal article and do let me know whether Tamilnet brings value to the article or not in the talk page Thanks Taprobanus 16:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks and looking forward to your point of view. Taprobanus 21:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been trying to get people to talk all along and use the wiki process to resolve conflicts rather than indulge in revert wars and personal insults and exposes. It makes us South Asia specific editors look like children infront of others. I know when reasonable people with an open mind like you take a look at the situation, we can all come to reasonable and fair decisions. That is the essence of an experiment in mass democracy called Wikipedia. It is refreshing to see open minded people. Thanks you for your opinion. Taprobanus 14:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ororiod people
Ha! I was worried when I saw the article that I had just missed it when looking for it earlier; checking the page history though, it was created today, so I can't feel too bad. Thanks, &#10154; Hi DrNick ! 01:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

FAC: Supernature (Goldfrapp album)
I have gone through the article and added individual citations for each release format. These citations now cover the month and year of each release plus the cat. number and country that it was released in. Could you please take a look at the page again when you have time? Thanks :) -- Underneath-it-All 01:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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