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Hi, here's the link to CNN closing times: http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/misc/poll.close.html The Chief 00:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking the Alexander Graham Bell and Terry Fox vandals
It's strange...I just ran into the same thing on Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iran&action=history): Three kids all attacking the same article at the same time. Really confuses the rollback button; you keep rolling back one vandal to another one. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  19:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed the Iran blocks! I have no objection; I just hadn't reported them because they all stopped vandalizing after I sent them all a simultaneous blatantvandal warning; it seemed to get their attention. Anyway, in both cases, the edits were interleaved, so I'm sure both situations were three kids sitting next to each other on school computers. It makes for a tricky cleanup if AntiVandalBot (or anyone) reverts only one of them. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  19:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
 Thank you for participating in my RfA discussion! I appreciate you contributing your voice to the debate and its outcome. I hope how I wield the mop makes you proud. Thanks! &mdash; Saxifrage

Chattanooga
Nish,

There's a persistent vandal on Chattanooga - can you take a look? Thanks.--TheOtherBob 23:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. I blocked Ridigaho indefinitely. Hopefully, he won't come back using a dynamic IP and continue vandalizing.  Nish kid 64  23:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help - and for all your hard work on here. --TheOtherBob 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank You
Hey Nishkid I really appreciate the unblock. Once again I apologize for any vandalism I caused on user pages and I have read Wikipedia's user policy. Thank You!!! --Treva 00:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

International Society for Clinical Electrophysiology of Vision
Hi,

I just found that you deleted the article on "International Society for Clinical Electrophysiology of Vision". I don't have a very intimate knowledge of the mechanisms of Wikipedia since I'm only an occasional contributor. Could you point me to a place where I could find the discussion about the deletion? Last time I checked the article, it was short, but reasonably complete and I would have voted against deletion. Furthermore, several other articles linked to that one (some still do). I would be curious to know what the reason for deletion was. Thanks! --Dontaskme 09:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was deleted after it was prod'ded (proposed for deletion). Usually, some editor adds the prod tag to an article, and it can be removed by any editor at any time (for valid reasons). However, if the article is not fixed up in the 5-day prod period, it will be deleted. That's what happened to this article. If you feel that the article should not have been deleted, we can go to AfD and obtain community consensus on the article's status.  Nish kid 64  21:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this explanation. I think I understand the process of deletion now. From what I have read now, there are several ways to proceed. Apparently, the easiest way is to undelete the article without discussion, which could be done by an admin on a reasonable request. Given that there was apparently no reason for deletion (except that it had the tag for five days), I would suggest to pursue this way even though it might not be the most democratic one. If anyone would tell me specifically what was wrong with the article, I would happily try to improve it. The other option seems to be restoring it to my user space for me to improve it. But this would not really help because, again, I don't see what was wrong with the article. The final option seems to be to officially contest the deletion (as you suggested). Before I do so, I would be glad to hear your opinion about the first option, i.e. simply undeleting the article. Let me add that I also read through the policy articles that describe what what type of articles are not suitable for Wikipedia and came to the conclusion that based on those policies there was no reason for deletion. And just in case that this would be relevant: I'm not affiliated with the society that was described in the article in question. Thanks again for advising me. --Dontaskme 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking back on it now, I have some doubts to the initial prod. It does appear that the article is notable, so I will restore the page. Although I would like to go to AfD for this, I think the article follows notability guidelines.  Nish kid  64  17:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you prefer to go through AfD that's perfectly fine with me. It's certainly the most correct way of handling this and I'm looking forward to the discussion. Thanks.--Dontaskme 18:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Lee Smith
Hi. Per your comments at Peer review/Lee Smith (baseball)/archive1, which factual accuracy are you concerned about? —Wknight94 (talk) 17:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Cats and Dogs Portals
Hi, Nishkid64. If you can offer some tips on the respective portal talk pages about how to improve Cats and Dogs up to "featured" quality, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Rfrisbietalk 18:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin Coaching
Hey Nishkid!

Something strange is going on over at the Admin coaching page. User:The Transhumanist recently created an "Admin School" which was supposed to do...well, basically the same thing as Admin Coaching: prep editors for Adminship, though it was run by non-Admins. It appears this was quickly rejected by the community. Now, a few users, including Transhumanist, have posted to the Admin Coaching talk page. They want to change the name of the program. They also want to change how the program is run, with proposals for multiple levels of "trust", etc. Since these folks aren't admins, and since The Transhumanist has only been with us for a few months, these proposals are a little strange: their new "Virtual classroom" talks about what browser to use, but doesn't address anything that an Admin trainee would need to become an admin. It's alarming, because these nice folks have had no experience being admins, and in Carcharoth's latest post he proposes revamping the entire program, with a system of levels through which users would have to "graduate" (which is, I assume, where the Virtual School comes in). Since you are an admin coach, and these many proposed changes will affect you, please weigh in on the discussion here. Thanks, Firsfron of Ronchester  19:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA Co-Nomination Thanks!
 Thank You Very Much! (Open your card) → → →  Nishkid, thank you for your co-nomination. I appreciate going all out for someone whom you know mainly from a short request on your talk page. I've already written how pleasantly surprised I was - well, I still am! As you may know, my Request for Adminship is over, successfully, and I'm sure it's not least due to your not only supporting, but co-nominating, and your very kind and extensive statement.

I hope to make it have been worth while. I will try to start the admin thing slowly, and not delete the Main Page for at least five minutes. If I mess up, make sure to come to my talk page and give me a good yell. Email also works, and is more private, but talk page will often get a more immediate response. If even that doesn't work, I am, of course, in Category:Administrators open to recall, though I would hope you give the yell route a try first. AnonEMouse (squeak) 22:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Design from User:Phaedriel/Rfa thanks, which amazed me when I got it. GFDL.

Vandalism?!
Why was my IP blocked I never committed vandalism?-SacredVisions 23:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Vandalism
Do you know what the nature of the vandalism is?-SacredVisions 23:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I was looking over the log from the 7th and couldn't find anything that would constitute a block-SacredVisions 19:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Examples
Sorry for the delay:

I don't use Wikipedia that much anymore. Here's a list of companies that have bios or some sort of information that I would consider similar to our company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraCade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraCade_Technologies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_Accessories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Catz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_shark (which one of our employees designed the interface)

Anything that says X Arcade, X Gaming, Ultracade, Chicago Gaming, Dream Arcades, Dream Authentics, Ultramarc, or Arcade Legends (just to name a few) should be taken off the website. If I see any mention of any of those companies in an article, I will simply add our company to the list. It's only fair.

In articles such as:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Axe

Competitors add themselves onto "platforms."

You may not know of our company, or feel it to be noteworthy, but we are well known in the retro-gaming community. To exclude us from wikipedia.org is to exclude a vital member of the retro gaming community. Please check sources such as newsgroups or google "Quasicade" In fact, we own the universal peripheral patent that companies like MadCatz, Pelican Accessories, X Gaming, and other peripheral companies use.

Currently, you can find one of our products at Sam's Club: http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=348198

Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot, but Wikipedia does need to change, but if you delete our article, you might as well delete every small company article out there that no one can find on the web. We have a retail network of over 250 locations, but we're just getting started with the internet. You'll find that is the case with a lot of specialty retail companies.

My RfA
Hi Nishkid, thanks for typing up that neutral comment :-). I've posted a brief response on my attitude towards blocking which I think would be of interest to you. Thanks again. - Mike | Talk 03:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Reply is up, if you haven't seen it yet :-). Feel free to add a supplementary question if you like. - Mike | Talk 03:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * IP vandals do indeed see the "you have new messages" bar. I saw it several times editing as an anon early on (about edits, not vandalsim lol). Just ask User talk:68.39.174.238. - Mike | Talk 03:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, well it's been a long time since I've edited as an anon, but I do distinctly remember seeing the "you have new messages" bar, especially when using public computers lol :-). I don't know, I guess you can ask Jimbo if you want to be sure. - Mike | Talk 03:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Kingjeff
My inclination is to let the lunatics rave away on their own talk pages. I have no objection to you going the opposite direction. The only trick is that if you forget to unprotect his talk page, you've made communication with him impossible. Buck  ets  ofg 03:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Block of User:61.88.131.188
Thank you for adjusting the block. The fact that I'm editing from this IP address proves it works. Thanks again for your timely response. Harryboyles 03:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi there Nishkid, here's a plain looking thank you note (I am pathetic with templates) for your Indian support to my RFA:). I came to know that you are Indian only after you joined Wikiproject India and was pleasantly surprised to find another Indian admin.. I think you have been doing a great job with so many diligent deletions, protections and blocks. Do let me know if I can be of assistance anywhere.. -- Lost (talk) 06:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Molag guy
Do what you like with him. I looked briefly at some of his earlier contribs and it looked sort of good faith. But yeah, I wouldn't object to an indefblock. -- Steel 16:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!
You have recently been added to my Respect List. Clay4president 21:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Status button
Nishkid - I'm not sure if it's something funny on my end or on yours, but your "online status" button shows up with something a little...different than what I suspect is intended. --TheOtherBob 21:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorted. Somebody vandalised something.  JDtalk 21:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA:
Thank you so very much for voting support in my RfA. However, I have withdrawn due to reasons that a stressed user would withdraw under. I'm sorry I have failed you & your expectations. Thanks, Spawn Man 09:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your offer on my talk
Back when I got my mop you congratulated me and invited me to contact you with any questions. And my question is this: what is the best next step for this user? Should it be an RfC/user (I don't believe one has been done) or straight to ArbCom? Abusive edit warring is primarily at Biological Value and Soy protein, but also at PDCAAS and Designer Whey Protein. And somehow my talk page has been the site of much discussion here and here. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 15:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's really up to you. ArbCom takes months to decide, so you might want to try to avoid that. And I believe Yankees76 already requested my help on this issue regarding []. I'm not personally familiar with ArbCom or RfC, but if you believe it is a serious enough issue then ArbCom would be appropriate. But if you want a faster and possibly better response, try RfC/user. Sorry I wasn't of much help, but unfortunately, these are two areas which I myself haven't personally ventured off into. Hope the situation works out. =)  Nish kid 64  01:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Why delete my articles
I' am recent user called Professor Sunderland. And I' am heavy contributer to wikipedia and I would like to see it as the biggest information archive in the world. Yet I have to complain. WHY? Delete my articles on the characters of Kung Fu Chaos. I believe the aim of Wikipedia is to get every detail of everything and I personally think with no offense that deleting articles like that will bring it backwards, I had big expansion plans for those articles. Now there's no point in nothing, I would like to have a proper reason on this please Niskid64.
 * I blocked you indefinitely for vandalizing. You CAN NOT make new accounts on Wikipedia once you have been indefinitely blocked. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of the everything; I agree. However, you have to draw the line somewhere. There are notability guidelines on Wikipedia, and I deleted your articles as it seemed that the characters you wrote about were not notable enough in the video game scene, and an individual article was not warranted. I can technically block your account right now, but I am willing to overrule my previous decision granted that you either stop vandalizing as you did on your other account, Molag Bal, and if you can at least show me how much you were planning to write for the articles on Kung Fu Chaos characters. I might overrule that decision as well, and restore both pages.  Nish kid 64  01:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Q
Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere? respond here Deadline is December 15th. AstroBoy 02:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Hi Nishkid64, I am very thankful to you for supporting and comments on my succesful RfA. Shyam ( T / C ) 06:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal found
I would like to note Niskid, that I have found a persistant and Abusive vandal known as, Skymac, which is been discovered an abusive sockpuppet and is continually vandalising user pages. I would like something done about. Professor Sunderland 13:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC), 11th November 2006 at 13:49 pm

RfA thanks
Thanks for the congrats Nish. :-) By the way, do you know how do you tell the difference between a static and a dynamic IP? Anyway I guess that I'll stick to 24-hour blocks for vandals that disrespect the last warning. Do you usually block for less than 24 hours? Regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  01:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Dynamic IP's are constantly changing. It's usually hard to tell, but sometimes looking at page history of certain shows users with almost completely similar IP addresses. It's usually from that, that you are able to establish if a user is using a dynamic IP. Static is just never changing, so it's not really hard to tell (since they will usually stay vandal if they are always a vandal; or good if they are always good). Also, regarding blocks...I just have to tell you that I am one of the hardest blocking admins on Wikipedia. For new users who vandalize more than 5 pages, I automatically indefblock them. For first-time vandals, I usually deal out a 31-hour or a 48-hour block. After that I go to either a 99-hour block or a week block. If I see a repeated abuser, I usually deal out a block ranging from 1 month to 6 months. Also, keep an eye on collateral damage which can come from blocks to shared IP's like that belonging to school and other institutions.  Nish kid 64  01:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the valued advice. I was intending to be rather firm against vandals as well, with +24 hour blocks. I have just blocked my first user. For just 3 hours, a courtesy for the first served. :-) Best regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  01:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for bothering you again Nish, but could you please have a look at this and tell me if it would be adequate to salt this page? If so, can an admin have the initiative to protect from recreation or that would have to be discussed somewhere? Thanks. Regards.-- Hús  ö  nd  04:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and salt the page. It's been recreated multiple times, and it seems at this point, that there is no need for the article. Discussing the protection for the page is not necessary in most cases. Just as a tip, if I see an article has been recreated more than 4 times on Wikipedia in the past 6 months, I will protect the deleted page. If I see an article recreated more than two times in a month, then I also will go ahead and recreate the page.  Nish kid 64  14:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oi Message
Niskid 64 I found the user Skymac when I was searching through the history of the article dexters laboratory I entered his article, found it was vandalised, reverted it, and found the vandal was a sockpuppet who had been continually abusing his page. That's all I know. Professor Sunderland 14:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC) at Sunday 12th November 2006. at 14:45pm

Re: Margaret Chan's text removal
Hi Nishkid64,

I have made some further changes to the Margaret Chan entry. Plus I have create a section in the discussion. Please kindly take a look of both and keep the discussion going as I would like to hear what you think of my discussion and my new text.

Cheers, – Kempton   "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 16:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nishkid64,

Thanks for your new message. I made some new changes and new summaries. See what you think. Again, it is truly a balance of quotes and my "summary". I don't make it a habit of critizing someone on the news and holding an important role very lightly. But it is a very important matter and that is why I want to make it very careful not to misrepresent or misquote anything.

I would love to have your input on making this entry better. Glad to hear you think this is also very important information, considering many of the information referenced were in Chinese articles which is not that useful for non-Chinese readers.

By the way, it was that "!" that you used at the end of your comment which made it "harsh". I say, positive stuff it is ok for "!". Negative stuff like taking out a whole section, ahhh, may be avoid the "!". Although I understand it is tough to be an admin. (smile) And I also know not to add the text right back without any work.

Cheers, – Kempton   "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 17:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for your changes in the entry. Look forward to see your further work. I noticed a user (just IP address) making some date changes on different entries and I am going to revert them. Is there an easy way to revert to an earlier version?

– Kempton   "Ideas are the currency of the future." - a quote by Kevin Roberts 06:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
...for the Barnstar. Cheers! SkerHawx 19:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

...and from me, too!- gadfium 19:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

RfAs
How do you submit an Rfa? Clay4president 19:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your username
I always wondered but I had forgot to ask, but was the misspelling of your name intentional?  Nish kid 64  16:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The story of my username. (aeropagitica) 20:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

My failed RfA
I deleted the comment that I left here, as I was in a bad mood at the time due to the failure of the RfA and said things that I now regret. I realise this isn't good Wikipedia etiquette, so please accept my apology for that. Walton monarchist89 20:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for accepting my apology. On reflection, I think I jumped the gun by going straight to RfA - I should have gone through an editor review first, to enlist more support from other users and gain more experience of the RfA system. I think an editor review will probably be my next move. Walton monarchist89 10:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the barnstar! It'll motivate me to try harder to stop the vandals. =) –-  kungming·  2 | (Talk ·Contact) 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your input
Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.

In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.

A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").

Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. -- SB_Johnny |talk|books 13:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Abaana
Hi there Nishkid64,

Am not happy with the deletion of Abaana as is not a non-notable organisation - for starters it is an international charity, and gets numerous hits with google, many of them from other charity websites. Have remade the article but want the content back please. I think it was a mistake to delete on basis of non-notable CSD - you should IMHO have investigated further before pressing the delete button. Anyhow if you still disagree, then send it to an AFD or DelRev, and we can discuss further there.

Sorry I have also put up for deletion review, but that was before I found the page to search for past deletions.

Cheers Lethaniol 00:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Right well here you go (the comment on being shot was when I was very cross at the article being deleted and scarring away a noob - especially as you did not leave a message on the users page to tell them why you deleted - which is what we are meant to do. Note quantity does not equal quality):

On this website this charity is merging with Abaana Is listed on a charity directory And mentioned also here

Not just on its (3) websites. Also on Scott Baxter, another article of User:Abaana that I nominated for CSD the User gives extra notability information that I no longer have access to - I think he stated financial info but you will have to check.

Now please put the content back, and if you wish open a Afd or DelRev. I think I have given enough notability info here. Lethaniol 00:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for putting content back - it is 1am here in UK so must get some sleep. If you still want to AFD or DelRev then do so and we can discuss further tomorrow. Thanks Lethaniol 01:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The notability issue is one we could argue over, and will do in the AfD/DelRev, but I think that the one about deleting pages and leaving messages on user talk pages is not. It is a scary place for noobs, and to have your article deleted when you were obviously not vandalising is very painful - and will mean one less Wikipedian and more critic. You obviously pride yourself on dealing with vandalism and deletions - and you see the harsher side of Wikipedia - all the vandalism and trolling. But maybe you step back at think about the noob. They, in good faith make a article only to have it deleted, with no reason why at all given. When I am CSDing in these cases I try and leave a Welcome template and/or test template and also a reason as to why it will be deleted. Considering the amount you delete you could really help by being kind to such noobs. So no it may not be policy to leave messages (maybe it should) but consider more often - WP:BITE Lethaniol 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

decapentaplegic
There are many broken links for this term, why did you delete the entry? The term, used both as a noun and as an adjective, is well established in the literature (note the date):

The decapentaplegic gene complex (2-4.0) in Drosophila melanogaster is defined by a series of allelic mutations affecting imaginal disk development. Decapentaplegic (dpp) mutant individuals exhibit a variety of pattern deficiencies and duplications in structures derived from one or more of the 15 major imaginal disks. Based on dpp mutant phenotypes, we suggest that the dpp gene complex is involved in the elaboration of positional information within developing epidermal tissue. The dpp mutations are recessive and fall into six phenotypic classes. Milder alleles (classes I and II) affect only one or a few disks while most alleles (classes III, IV, V and EL) affect all major imaginal disks. Class EL homozygotes are embryonic lethals; development is arrested before germ-band shortening late in gastrulation. Presently inseparable from EL, is a haplo-insufficient function (Hin-d) associated with the distal (left) end of the dpp gene complex. The dpp gene complex occupies most or all of 22F1--3, three densely staining polytene chromosome bands. A colinearity exists between map positions of the four identified functional units within the complex and the severities of mutant phenotypes caused by disruption of these functions. Most dpp mutations are gross chromosomal rearrangements; they exert polar effects on the decapentaplegic functions that are proximal to the rearrangement breakpoints in 22F. Many structural similarities exist between the decapentaplegic and bithorax gene complexes.

Cell. 1982 Mar;28(3):451-61.

My initial entry wasn't correct --- the noun "decapentaplegic" refers to an entire gene complex instead of a single gene --- but it is definitely something deserving further explication, especially if "sonic hedgehog" has its own entry. Furthermore, as the abstract above illustrates, the adjective "decapentaplegic" refers to the 15 imaginal disks present in Drosophila melanogaster larvae (hence, "decapenta-") and to what I presume are the adverse effects associated with dpp (a well--established acronym, by the bye) mutations (hence, "-plegic").

Akulo 00:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I guessed I jumped the gun here. I deleted the article under CSD A1, which says an article can be speedy deleted if it is short (which your article was). I guess it is appropriate for your article be kept on Wikipedia, but you must expand the article. We cannot have one-line articles on Wikipedia that are not helpful, nor useful. Also, you must write it in encyclopedic form, so no sentence fragments, bad grammar, etc. Thanks!  Nish kid 64  01:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Abaana
Hi there; with reference to this article about Abaana, a lesser known charity, I tend rather to agree with User:Lethaniol. The article appears to have been recreated, and certainly is doing no harm. For either he or I to mark it for AfD is not wholly sensible, as it would imply that we favour deletion, which we do not. Why not just leave it to lie there, and see what attention, if any, it attracts?


 * I agree - lets see what happens over next day or two - cool down and then you can decide if it deserves AFD or not. Right am def off to bed or will not get up to bed tomorrow. Lethaniol 01:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Again I have asked the original writer of the article to find more info - hopefully they will be able to. Cheers Lethaniol 01:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Abaana
Hi there; I spend many hours trying not to offend anybody, not always completely successfully. As is apparent here; if I have offended you, please accept my sincere apologies.

Two points: the article is not my article;I merely found it and it seemed to me worthy of retention. Secondly, the point about age was made not by me initially but by User:Lethaniol. While clearly you are younger than most admins, if the wiki community have judged you suitable for the office, I would not feel it was my place to make adverse comment; nor do I have any reason to do so. I think that his comment perhaps related to the totality of complete life experience, which you can, if you wish, take up with him.

I do feel that the article, rather than being arbitrarily deleted, might well be processed through AfD. It seems to me that, as the person most eager to erase it, you should, if you wish, implement this procedure.


 * Is this the sort of thing you are looking for sokwanele on its website, lists Abaana as an International charity link. So if {Sokwanele) is notable and in its inclusion suggests that Abaana is International (something required of WP:ORG) and it states it works also outside of Africa. What more is required? I could spend longer searching the internet to find relevant links - but it is clear it is International in its outlook and projects, which it is spending £100,000's on - sounds enough!

As you correctly say, Abaana scores 14,000 hits on Google. How many would you like to make it notable? Think carefully here.--Anthony.bradbury 01:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, you quote WP:ORG. This site does not, as far as I can see, consider charities at all.--Anthony.bradbury 01:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I disapprove of the tone of your comments you made on my talk page (which I translate as you thinking that I am incapable of making decisions), I am dropping my case on Abaana. After looking it over, I have reconsidered the deletion, as it seems keeping the article would be of best interest for Wikipedia. By the way, 14000 hits is not a lot. Visit AfD, and you'll see many articles get deleted when they have 50k+ hits on Google.  Nish kid 64  21:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for not nominating Abaana for deletion. I am sorry if the tone of the comments above has been taken the wrong way, I was trying to be civil. The comments left on Abaana's talk page were hasty and I am sorry, I have removed them from the page.


 * If the outcome of this is that we all inform noobs more often on the reasons for deleting their articles, I think Wikipedia will be the stronger - and something positive will have come out of these discussions. If you are interested I am thinking of suggesting a change to WP:CSD to reflect this there to - see User talk:ReyBrujo for the proposal.


 * Many thanks - Lethaniol 00:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
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I found a really useless article and was wondering how to flag it for removal. It the article Zarrinshahr. Thanks for looking into it --Treva 18:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)