User talk:Niteowlneils/Archive6

Ubeda
Please help me include Ubeda on the first line of the article. Philip Baird Shearer 10:41, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Truck Trails
Yep, that's what they're called. You can see them on Yahoo! Maps if you zoom in a ot on the area north of Mt. St. Jacinto State Park.

-User:Atanamir

Thanks!
I'm glad you stepped in to clean up after SamuraiClinton on that "Aquarius" article. Guy must've been listening to the radio, heard it come on and decided he'd write an article before doing a stitch of research. I'm not sure if we have a troll or a clueless newbie, but this guy is really beginning to concern me. Have a great weekend...signing off! - Lucky 6.9 02:07, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point. I assumed we might be dealing with a youngster when I saw the lack of understanding of a major hit of 1968.  Here's hoping he responds to the offers of help and the advice. - Lucky 6.9 05:40, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tutorial overhaul
Might be time for an overhaul of the Tutorial. Someone commented on Wikipedia talk:Tutorial (Wrap-up and more info) that the Tutorial is a pretty rough ride now, and I'm inclined to agree. It's gotten significantly longer, both in number and length of pages. I think we should try to pare it down a bit, condense some discussion, and maybe remove topics that aren't truly crucial to newcomers (like U.S. vs. British English). The shorter it is, the more people will actually read it. Isomorphic 02:58, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think we cover categories at all, and we definitely should. I shouldn't be the person to write about categories though, because I've never really understood what they're good for.  Isomorphic 03:09, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There haven't actually been any pages added since near the beginning, but we started at only 7 or 8, and I was never completely happy with the jump to 11. It's a tough balance between coverage and brevity, but I think feature creep has pushed us too far in one direction.
 * As for the advanced guide, I could definitely see value in having a Guide to maintainance and cleanup and a Writers' guide. The first could cover things like cleanup, VfD, categorization, image tagging, and so on.  The second could be a more in-depth guide on how to write a good Wikipedia article:  sectioning, spinning off large sections into new articles, appropriate linking, writing style.  If you get started on either one, let me know and I'll pitch in if I'm around.  Right now, I'm off to play chess and then probably to bed. Isomorphic 05:26, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

3RR
Could you take a look at Administrators' noticeboard/3RR at the second subsection entitled User:Neutrality? Snowspinner has unblocked Neutrality, which I think is great--I'm all about mercy. But under the circumstances, including Neutrality's violation of block policy as noted, it does not seem the right thing to do in this situation. Of course, I am biased, but I do not think Neutrality was truly unaware of the fact that "partial" reversions counted; nor should he claim ignorance of the block policy. Thank you. 24.245.12.39 03:30, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. 24.245.12.39 04:29, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Be careful
I assume that you overwrote my para (The Pope, who...) by accident? Please be more careful next time. On another note, please consider moving your old talk to archive. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:41, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

conflicts going on Nation of Islam
There are an active conflict going between 2 writers on the Nation of Islam article. This article is on the outer edge of my interest area, but I have been trying to be a little bit of a referee. The two users are User:Firebug and User:RK. They have has an edit war going and RK is claiming that he/she feels threatened. Can you look at my talk page User Talk:Vaoverland and perhaps give me a suggestion about what to tell him? I can check back here if you'd rather not leave a message there and get caught up in what seem to me like foolishness.

NOI edit war
I think that is good advice. My guess is that neither will take it. At least i can go on record with a suggestion. I didn't read any "threats" as such either, although the edit war is moving toward ridiculous. I am waiting for advice from one other, and then I will probably follow your suggestion. This is not my area of strength, and I will be careful not to get pulled too far in. In describing all this as foolishness and ridiculous, I mean the behavior on WP, not the beliefs that seem to be the driving force for these users. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 21:02, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Sunshine State
Hope you have a nice vacation. Vaoverland 22:20, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Nizoral
Ditto! Hope that Florida is treating you well. As for that Nizoral thing, I see what you mean. In fact, some of the "how-to" found its way into that other article on the medicine itself. I agree it should be a merge/redirect. Off to change my vote. - Lucky 6.9 06:46, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Chicago
Sorry to hear you're disappointed with me. Could you show me the relevant policy article? Without this, I would say that as Chicago is overwhelmingly used for that windy city, there is to need to specify the state. JFW | T@lk  09:19, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Niteowlneils, I really believe, that the article sould be just under Chicago, not Chicago, Illinois. For starters, the peer-review's link to the city article is just Chicago, and, although I am from the Midwest myself, I have never heard it called Chicago, Illinois once. Every time I have heard just "Chicago", it was in reference to the city. Several hundred articles link to just "Chicago". I am aware that the same number of articles link to "Chicago, Illinois", but many of them were linked to there after the name change. Thus I believe this article's name should just be Chicago, and also, the Chicago (disambiguation) page's link to the city is just Chicago. While cities like Fairfield, Iowa for example should stay "city x, state y", cities as famous and large as Chicago should just be "city x". And also, just because its been at Chicago, Illinois for the past four years doesn' mean its imbedded in stone. Past usages aren't always right. Woman suffrage was denied for hundreds of years before it was legalized in 1920. Sincerely, Dralwik 15:00, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC).

From Talk:Chicago, Illinois:
 * I think that's a valid suggestion to move Chicago, Illinois to Chicago, at a certain point a city becomes large enough that its no longer directly associated with the state its in. 'Chicago, Illinois" should probably redirect to "Chicago." --Jleon 02:08, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. Something else that should be considered is the renaming of the City category. Right now that is up for debate. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chicago. Jasenlee 22:32, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Niteowlneils, lets put it to a vote on Talk:Chicago, Illinois: Chicago or Chicago, Illinois? Dralwik 15:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Katie?
Hey, Niteowl! I've put another article on an actress, my Katie Holmes, up as a FAC here and I wonder if you would offer your comments. Thanks to you in advance. PedanticallySpeaking 15:37, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Star trek disambiguation
Please use "(VOY episode)" to disambiguate episodes. See the star trek wikiproject. Cburnett 20:50, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Public_Broadcasting_Service
I have moved the two competing proposals into Talk:Public_Broadcasting_Service you might like to revisit the talk page and take a look. Philip Baird Shearer 21:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[mvd from user page--20050619]

Blomberg-Fritsch-Krise
unprotected. --Vamp:Willow 10:36, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) [end move]

My User Page
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on it. Zscout370 01:36, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

12 inches redirect
Good catch! My impulse was to just speedy it...I guess that's what I get for a metric education. :) --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 03:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Link test
Hey it's me, the guy with the dflash tutorial link. I've changed the filename a bit so it should make it work for you, if you don't mind, please check it here and tell me if it works.Thanks. 

Offer of assistance
You seem to have a lemming-like habit of following misguided stylesheets that condone,even encourage,spaces after punctuation marks.Would you like me to remove them for you?--Louis E./le@put.com/12.144.5.2 20:41, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

welcome back
hope you had a nice trip to the sunshine state. Vaoverland 23:10, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake.
Thank you for fixing the error I made on one of my user pages. Sorry you had to correct it! Dwain 22:20, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

New city naming proposal
Niteowlneils, what do you think of my proposal for the ciy naming convention at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)? Dralwik 01:12, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

FDR!
Why did you revert the FDR article?!?! The older article ("Franklin Roosevelt") had better readability and organization. It contained links within the body instead of in content-less sections. {unsigned from User:Arbales}

Franklin Roosevelt
Thank you for bringing some order to the situation, at least. I think I've been thinking far too hard about nothing for so long. Stupid of me, really. Bobo192 | Edits

I see you are working your way through all the articles I have edited. I have no problems with your edits so far, but I am watching. Adam 01:23, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your work
Thanks for all the little edits you've been doing - adding categories, formatting, etc. From the mass amount of activity on my watchlist lately, I have a feeling you've been through my contributions list or something (some of my articles are pretty obscure), and while that is a little creepy :P, thanks anyway. It's the little things that I always stuff up. 08:01, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

FDR
Adam 01:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * The note you keep placing at the head of the article is on far too trivial a matter to warrant such prominence. This is not an article about the acronym "FDR". I have provided a link to that article, and that is sufficient. It is not as if there is any other common use of the acronym.
 * Nor is this an article about the FDR Memorial. It is mentioned in the text in the context of FDR's disability, but the details of the opening of the Memorial etc belong in the relevant article, not here.

Top of the page disambiguation is fine when it is disambiguating the topic of the article. It is silly when it creates the situation when the first thing people read when they open the Roosevelt article is a line about an extremely minor and trival matter not directly connected with the topic of the article. His name was not FDR. If people want to know more about the acronym "FDR" they can follow the link, which is not an "easter egg," since it takes them to an article about that topic. It is not POV to say that some things are more important than other things. In the context of this article, the other possible meanings of the acronym is an extremely minor matter and does not belong at the top of the article. I find the Wikipedia fetish for littering articles with irrelevant trivia very annoying and am going to insist on this point. Adam 02:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have redirected FDR to FDR (disambiguation) so that people looking for "FDR" are not taken directly to the Roosevelt article. That removes the need for a separate disambiguation in the article. Adam 02:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) (PS Please archive your Talk page)

Sorry
Hey man, sorry for all the trouble. I forgot about the copyright. If there is anything I can do, just let me know. But I hope it doesn't cause too much trouble.

Sarge 01:07, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll redo the articles when I get the chance. Right now I'm sick with the flu.

Sarge 00:21, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Fixing Franklin D. Roosevelt move
Are you the one who repaired the botched history on Franklin D. Roosevelt after the mess created by the move? If so, thanks! JamesMLane 06:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Question about write-ups
Do you want me to go ahead and erase the copyright things on the articles?

Seek Guidance on self-promotional linking
I'm a relatively new user here (username User:Alabamaboy) and I have come across a case of self-promotional external linking and I don't know how to deal with it. On the pages Medicaid, State Children's Health Insurance Program, and Medicare (United States), another new user named KevinPiper has inserted external links to the Piper Report on Health Care. In a broad sense, this link is relevant but it isn't specifically focused like the other external links. I'm also troubled b/c the username indicates KevinPiper is the author of the Piper Report on Health Care. I searched through the Wikipedia FAQs and couldn't find any guidelines on this. Can you provide any guidance? Thanks, User:Alabamaboy 16:30, 6 May 2005.

Thanks for the very helpful information and guidance on this issue. User:Alabamaboy

Blocking a vandal
Can you help me with how to block a vandal who is on a roll? Of course, it's an IP address, and I realize it will only be temporay. Several other users who are not admins (which i am) haver requested help. I have routinely chased and reverted vandals, but never blocked one. Thanks, Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:47, May 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * I am reminded of the frustration of young and confused Holden Caulfield in J.D. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye who was discouraged by all the "F---You" graffiti he found and the hopelessness felt that although he worked fervently at eradicating it, undoubtedly even more was being "created" faster than he could get rid of it. Fortunately, WP seems blessed with the opposite ratio, or at least a balance. I also scan all changes to my 1400 watched pages for IP addresses, and I find a large proportion are vandalization entries. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 21:14, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

User:Niteowlneils/2500 Augustine wheelchair ramp
In User:Niteowlneils you claim that this is verifiable info. How exactly is this verifiable? &mdash; Teknic Talk/Mail 09:21, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Serial comma
Hello. In the past, you've spoken in favor of the serial comma in the WP Manual of Style. Currently, two or three users have been taking out all guidance on that in favor of a statement that the MoS takes no position. They've said they reached a consensus on the talk page. Would you care to comment there? Jonathunder 22:04, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

DC
You've done quite a bit of work on the DC page...Would you mind reviewing my point and offering your thoughts? Thanks. Essjay 10:16, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

University of Cambridge vandal.
Mark, thought you might like to know about the attempts to disrupt Votes for deletion/Tess khoo coming from a number of IP addresses assigned to Cambridge. Information listed under {{User|131.111.8.96}] at Vandalism in progress. I think this constitute significant vandalism. Is this the right way to report someone for this type of behavior on a VfD page? --WCFrancis 04:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I am not sure, but I will send a copy of this to a couple of the good folks on WP who probably know. Mark. Vaoverland 04:43, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hammersmith & City Line
How is what you did to Image:Hammersmith and city line.png a cleanup!? You've removed all the anti-aliasing. Also by listing it for speedy deletion - you've had my version completely delete, which is a violation of the GFDL. ed g2s &bull;  talk  13:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Fortunately I found an old version on answers.com. ed g2s  &bull;  talk  14:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The text could be read on the full size map, and just about legible on the sharpened thumbnail. It also isn't difficult to add anti-aliasing, or use the correct colour (each line uses a distinct colour on the tube map). I hope you weren't using mspaint do to the "cleanup", if you were, you should probably leave that job to people using proper graphics editors. ed g2s  &bull;  talk  10:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

More photo help
Salve, Niteowlneils! Hope this message finds you well. I'm pleased to say Dawson's Creek was listed as featured today. Yay! In addition to pop culture, I've done a bunch of political articles, including ex-congressman Bob McEwen, who is trying to get back into Congress in the special election called to replace Rob Portman. McEwen's campaign site has some pictures and I wonder if you could add on to his article, perhaps the one with Newt Gingrich? That appears to be the best one. (You'd think they'd have a big head shot available for the press.) Thanks again for your help. PedanticallySpeaking 19:41, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[mvd from user page--20050619]

School districts
I'm in the process of methodically adding lists of all school districts in California to Wikipedia--what you see is basically what was already there in Category:School districts in California, and most of those belong to just one county.

Making these lists, which are of entities that aren't subject to rapid change, should make it easier to organise school articles, and also provides a frameworl for intrinsically useful information on the organisation of education in each region of the USA. I've chosen to do California first because I think it's probably one of the biggest and I want to make sure this is a feasible operation. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC) [end of move]

Dawson on the front page
Salve, Niteowlneils! FYI, Dawson's Creek got voted in as a featured article and is to be featured on the front page on May 30. PedanticallySpeaking 18:46, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Theatre
Hi! This is a note to let you know that I have just established WikiProject Theatre. Please come and join us in building up Wiipedia’s articles relating to theatre! Ganymead 17:39, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Cycling
Hi, I've created WikiProject on Cycling. Please come and join us in building up Wikipedia's articles relating to cycling! --Christopherlin 21:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

List of Tanzanian companies
fmt, loc (6 little words almost doubled article size...sigh -- I am not sure what this means - please advise. --McDogm 16:33, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC) I was thinking that the header as it was was looking kind of weird because it was so big, so I would have changed it -- I just don't know what you mean in the comment.  Tx. --McDogm 17:18, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering. I don't know as much computer industry slang as I should, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks for fixing that giant index box. --McDogm 21:52, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Another picture request?
Salve, Nite! Hope this message finds you well. I wonder if you could look at this image and put it on the article David R. Smith. He's tagged it for public release, the photo having "newspaper" in the title. I thank you for your help. PedanticallySpeaking 17:14, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Speedy Deletes.
I've been experiencing problems performing deletes, to such a degree that it has taken up to 20 mins to delete some articles. Have you been experiencing the same problems, or is it just me? Rgds, Rich Farmbrough 22:37, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC) That's the one, although 2 or 3 isn't myu experience, more like 20! I wondered if some kind of edit throttling is in place... Rich Farmbrough 22:52, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you thank you thank you
Many thanks for adding the pictures to the McEwen and Smith articles. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking 14:36, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Re:Old pages You may be interested in Wikipedia's oldest articles and History of Wikipedia, just a couple of the pages I have listed at User:Niteowlneils. In general, questions like that are better posed at Village pump or Reference desk. Niteowlneils 04:10, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * well thanks for telling me, and sorry but id never heard of the "village pump" or "reference desk", but i will use them in future. Thanks! Supersaiyanplough 05:51, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Blue Monday page move
Since your support of the requested page move at Talk:Blue Monday (New Order song) was conditional, I would like to request that you reconsider that support. The article at Blue Monday is now a proper disambiguation page, and there are newly created articles on the George Gershwin operetta at Blue Monday (opera), and the Fats Domino song at Blue Monday (Fats Domino song) (and I'll probably end up creating another article for the Blue Monday graphic novel series).

BTW: I did the same Locks for Love thing, donating approx. 15" of my ponytail at a SF convention several years ago. Blank Verse  &empty;  08:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for reconsidering your vote in the Blue Monday page move survey. (BTS: It turns out I didn't have to create the Blue Monday (comic) article--someone from WikiProject Comics added it.) Blank Verse  &empty;  15:35, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

bio-stub
As part of the Stub sorting project, I am currently trying to categorise the articles. You have this stub in your user page. This category is currently very large and removing your page from it would help this effort. Could you please remove the template (or subst it and remove the category link) so that your page no longer appears in the category. Thanks. --TheParanoidOne 18:32, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that. --TheParanoidOne 22:05, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Franco Lombardi
I merged a few VfD listings into just one since it's all the same related cruft. If you want to go move/revise your vote to a "delete all" so we have a clearer vote listing that would be great. Thanks! &mdash; Phil Welch 1 July 2005 21:52 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for fixing several errors I made on new entries. Sorry you had to correct it, but I hope I learn from your fixes. --Tony Hecht 2 July 2005 20:53 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to add my thanks for fixing up some of my errors. Much appreciated.  You are doing a fine job. --Maustrauser 7 July 2005 23:51 (UTC)

Soundgarden singles
`yo im gonna take the notices off so that i can write the articles ASAP Jobe6 July 3, 2005 03:04 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Benmore Peak Observatory 2
I notice that you participate in VfDs and contribute to astronomy articles. What a coincidence. I just nominated an astronomy-related article for deletion. I was hoping to find a wikiproject astronomy. You'll have to do. ;) Should it stay or should it go? Thanks, -Willmcw July 3, 2005 11:21 (UTC)

Jerdavitella
Hoho, you got snookered! Both Jerdavitella and San David are hoaxes; see the Talk pages there, and on User_talk:81.61.186.183. Not quite sure what to do about it if it continues, but am watching it. Best, Bill 7 July 2005 13:59 (UTC)

American Robin
You're right about the nesting, and I've added a few more details. I must say that it goes against the grain having to mispell "grey" and "colour"! jimfbleak 8 July 2005 05:49 (UTC)
 * Yes, we regualarly get Blackbirds attempting to nest in Pyrecantha near our front door. I suppose the advantage is that nest raiders like crows and magpies are less likely to come so close to the house, but I don't really know. jimfbleak 9 July 2005 06:11 (UTC)

verses
Hiya,

you recently voted to delete John 20:16

Uncle G has made a wider proposal covering a much larger group of verses.

would you be prepared to make a similar vote at Votes for deletion/Individual Bible verses, which covers the full list of verses in Uncle G's suggestion?

9 July 2005 16:40 (UTC)

Stop Reverts
Dear Niteo,

As noted in messages to James, STOP reverting the Crapsey article and DELETE IT as requested! -- there were no copyvio issues on the page since it was created. You folks seem intent on engaging in a Revert War and wasting my time and yours.
 * I put this reply at User talk:4.156.192.79, but since that anon seems to come in on various IPs, I'm posting it here, too:

"This edit clearly shows that the first version was a copyvio. Please leave the article and /temp page alone (unless you want to contribute to the a non-copyvio version at the /temp page--that would be great) and let the copyvio process run its course. Niteowlneils 04:21, 11 July 2005 (UTC)" Dear Niteo, Your edit link shows nothing of the sort. Moreover, as noted, your colleague's hasty labeling was incorrect. There are only so many facts one can put into a bio stub without it sounding like countless other entries for that person that might be somewhere on the web -- i.e. born, childhood, educated, work, marriage, children, personal tragedies, publications, died, etc. There's nothing "original" one can do with stark facts. There's no need to let the Copyvio process "run its course" -- I wrote the article, and since you and your colleagues seem intent on tainting it with a Copyvio label, then Speedy Delete mine as I've asked and write your own. Then I can return the favor by combing through your version(s) for Copyvios, which will certainly be there. Btw, contrary to the "Don't let it bother you" assertion you make above to fellow contributor who similarly complains about your reverts/rewrites, one always takes the suggestion of plagiarism personally!! I fear you and some of your colleagues are a tad overzealous. This is a disincentive to contribute, and I heartily encourage others to complain loud and long to Wikipedia's executives about such behavior. What you may regard as "doing my job" actually has a chilling, stifling effect. 22:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion for Smizmar
Hi! I've noticed you rv my speedy deletion suggestion for Smizmar. It does not seem to have anything to do with Futurama, so why keeping it? Thanks! Nova77 22:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

List of people born in the Kaaba
I didn't remove the VfD tag, Striver did. Zora 01:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Murdock-Portal
The school is big enough (or at least has enough information) to warrant its own page. You should have left it as it was, and not changed to a redirect, for it was still under construction. (I have fixed this.)
 * At the time, it was a redirect to an article that didn't exist, making my other option to simply delete it. (I'm only replying here, since the message is from someone that appears to visit on multiple IPs.) Niteowlneils 21:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. At that time, I didn't know much about wiki then. ςפקιДИτς 00:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.
Thank you for doing the great editing work on this free encyclopedia. I have tried to add to the Children of the Mushroom page as best as I can. Just getting what info I had up was, for me a great feat. I just do not think I understand quit how to get up to the proper standards. Any help would be greatly appreaciated. Dennis Swanson, Children of the Mushroom. English was not my subject, as you can already tell. {from User:204.126.64.254}
 * I left my reply at User talk:Dswanson, as it looks like you may visit from multiple IP addresses when not logged in. Niteowlneils 21:33, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Block votes
I am positively appalled by people who campaign to gather up all the wounded ducks who ever visit the site and persuade them to activism. In the name of liberty, they will vote en masse without reading, much less regarding, the contents of an article. One feeb gets his WebComixIllustrated "article" (advertising) listed on VfD, shows up to fight and fart, and then he stays there, fighting and farting constantly because he's not done being offended by non-fans voting on his article. ("Unless you're an expert in web comix, how can you vote on it?") He sees another article like his, for some niche product of the 10-12 year old appeal, and farts melodiously to the tune of "Can you believe these trolls who want to delete valuable content like yours?" Then someone else who just plain disagrees with there being deletion guidelines at all starts up a "Watch" page, and the next thing you know, we have a swarm of parasites killing the host, as they reliably show up, and magically, only when there is an offensively weak article being considered to vote "Keep." They then also begin systematically attacking the nominations of VfD's, thereby ensuring that new users don't dare make VfD noms. Next, we see cat:csd overloaded with things that should be on VfD, because the newbies don't dare nominate on VfD (even if they could understand its increasingly arcane procedures). Try to tell old timer admins about it, and they all say, "I used to pay attention to VfD, but I never look at it now."

It's pathetic. The only actual solution is to abuse the rules for speedy deleting just as much as those folks are abusing the rules by voting "keep" on things that demonstrably fail the deletion guidelines, so we're faced with a "two wrongs don't make a right, but not having the two wrongs allows one to destroy everything." It's impossible, because those who behave ethically and legally lose every time in a hypothetically democratic forum like VfD.

Add to that some of the radical inclusionists who volunteer to close out VfD's and clear the backlog, when none of the moderates or deletionists can be persuaded to stop vandal fighting long enough to lend a hand, and you get some massively peculiar undeletes and decisions that 8 d and 2 k = keep.

Add to that the fact that a single day's VfD load is never less than 150 articles, and it becomes impossible for the most virtuous to keep an eye on things.

It's an untenable condition. We all thought that Wikipedia would be crushed by its own weight, that the circulatory system would fail, and it would die of edema and heart failure. It's happening right now.

As for real life, it has been improving after a plunge into the abyss. Geogre 03:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Marvel Database
Sorry, don´t saw it.--ThomasK 02:15, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Re: (-linkspam--from that page "Girl Eating a Corndog--Aspiring for Top Google Search Results")
Hey Niteowlneils --

I saw that you removed my link for "Girl Eating a Corndog," and I can understand why based on the title of the story it links to. I'll respect your decision, but I just wanted to let you know that I wouldn't post without reasonable assurance that the link in question went to a site with high relevance. The title is a bit misleading, and is a bit of a joke. The story was written during National Corndog Month (I wish I was kidding), and it outlines the history of the Corndog between the old San Francisco beach fairs and the boardwalk in Santa Cruz two hours south. While based in humor, it is founded on a trip with my girlfriend to the Santa Cruz Boardwalk to get a corndog.

Anyway, that's all -- I saw the title of your edit and felt bad, realizing that you must have thought the worst, given the "Google Search Results" portion. On a lighter note, we long ago attained top search placement for the most worthless phrase of all: "Girl Eating a Corndog."

I'm glad there are folks like you out there policing this thing to avoid it becoming a haven for spammers. It's a great resource, and I was only trying to add to it honestly.

Best,

dfettinger

George Powell
I know it's frowned upon to have a link to user namespace, but Bishonen has been working on some classic era London theatre company articles. I planned to ask her to go ahead and move some of her articles into Wiki space tomorrow. Since User:Bishonen/Casting_Vanbrugh's_Relapse is a source for a bit of data in George Powell, it should be referenced somehow. It'll be better when Bishonen moves her article into the Wiki space. Sorry for any inconvenience. Unfocused 03:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Miss Universe Article
Why did you get rid of the Trivia section i added? You also only deleted one link from the page. Why are you removing certain links and leaving others????

Miss Universe Organization
Thanks for your qucik response. How do i suggest the article " Miss Universe Organization " for deletion Most of the info in the article is wrong Mito 00:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Discovery Bay page
Hi there, many thanks for your efforts on the Discovery Bay page. I noticed you deleted some links. I wasn't sure of your decision and have added the links back. If you disagree, discuss in 'discussions' first. Many thanks. --Mintchocicecream 22:07, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanations about the deleted links. I now agree with your decision to remove the links based on the guidelines you supplied.  Cheers.  --Mintchocicecream 13:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/List of musicians that have made guest appearances on Nickelodeon shows
Given your comment at Votes for deletion/List of musicians that are popular amongst Nickelodeon fans, please visit Votes for deletion/List of musicians that have made guest appearances on Nickelodeon shows and provide your opinion. Uncle G 00:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Forgotten Realms
Hello

I see you deleted the empty entries in Winterkeep. There is nothing wrong about it as far as I can create an infobox like for the real countries. I would like a consistent way to enter some information and it seems infoboxes are exactly what I'm looking for but I don't know how to set one up.

Can you help?

Thank you Reply to David Latapie 20:23, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Winterkeep
OK, thank for idea. It is clearly not as good as an infobox, but it still OK Reply to David Latapie 03:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The bible
Firstly let me say that I am sorry to have to bother you.

Secondly, I wish to let you know that a recent VFD that you took part in has closed. The result was that 32 people voted to keep all individual bible verses as seperate articles, and 34 voted that they shouldn't (2 abstensions, and 3 votes for both). This is considered by standard policy not to be a consensus decision (although the closing admin stated that it was a consensus to keep them).

Thirdly, the subject has now been put to a survey, so that it may remain open until there is a clear consensus for what appears to be a difficult issue to resolve. You may wish to take part in this survey, and record a similar vote to the one you made at the VFD there. The survey is available at Bible verses.

18:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Finding hit-stats for a given article
Dear Neils, I noticed in an article-edit-comment of yours at the ACIM_church_movement article, that it appears that there may be some way to determine how many hits a given article is receiving. I just spent the last two hours trying to download the 393-MB file listing all of the hits on all of the articles, but alas, my poor little Pentium III is not up to the task, and crashes under the strain of such a large file. Would you happen to know of any other way to find out how many hits a given article is getting?


 * Thanks kindly,


 * Scott P. 15:50, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Vocal profile controversy
There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music/Notability_and_Music_Guidelines regarding the insertion of vocalist profiles without the citation of credible references. This is the consolidation of several similar discussions taking place in parallel in an effort to resolve this matter by community consensus. At your earliest convenience, would you mind visiting this issue and providing your feedback? Thank you. Hall Monitor 17:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...
... for cleaning up Wilhelm Doerpfeld :) Chronographos 10:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Tom Brinkman
Hey, Niteowl! Haven't talked to you in a while. Hope all is well. I've got another FAC up, for Mr. Brinkman. I'd appreciate your vote at Featured article candidates/Tom Brinkman/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 15:02, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Re: (cur) (last) 15:31, 26 July 2005 Niteowlneils (rv vandalism by User:Rchamberlain)
(cur) (last) 09:59, 25 July 2005 Rchamberlain (It is falsely reported that JPII kissed the Qur'an, if you can back this up, cite your sources. It is NOT the Qur'an.)

I have yet to see any definitive proof that JPII ever kissed the Qur'an. At most, it is an Urban Legend, and Wikipedia should not be used to promote Urban Legends. I would have no problem with it being there if it were true, but it does NEED to be documented and that is something that you did not do yet called my edit a "vandalism". {unsigned comment by UserRchamberlain} Niteowlneils 18:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Try googling Quran "john paul"--more than 40,000 hits, koran "john paul"--68,000 hits. Look at the picture--the Pope is kissing a book in front of an Emir--does it make any sense if that is NOT the Koran?. Niteowlneils 17:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Kinzua Bridge picture
Regarding the image at Kinzua_Bridge_State_Park, yes, I took it myself, but with chemical film. Is this ok? Existent80 18:51, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Why did you revert my addition?
I recently added a section on the "Ainu People" article re: their participation in sports. You deleted it with no explanation. The section I added can be substantiated in Kayano Shigeru, et al., "The Ainu: A Story of Japan's Original People." (2004), p. 31 and William Fitzhugh (ed.), "Ainu: Spirit of a Northern People" (2001 reprint ed.), pp. 364-366. Besides that, I lived in Japan for many years with the U.S. Navy and know this information to be personally true. So please do not revert my addition without doing some research. Thank you.65.54.97.196 02:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I deleted it because it seemed overly generalized, somewhat POV, and not particularly relevant--this is an encyclopedia, not a catalog of all racial stereotypes. Niteowlneils 02:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)