User talk:Nixeagle/Archive/2008/November

Talk:Dancing Dots
The timing amuses. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, it does. ——  nix eagle 01:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Mathematical logic
If you have some free time to write up comments on the mathematical logic article, I'd love to hear them. You're basically the ideal audience for the article. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 22:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Having some problems with searching the archives
Hi, i saw on the AN/ANI search archive page you are the one to contact with any problems, just having some in regard to finding a certain phrase that doesn't show up. If you have a look at incident archive 485 here you will see "Osama bin Laden". Yet when i search for this here it doesn't show up. Nor does the heading here. Why is this so? What i am doing wrong? Thanks Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 02:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The tool has been rendered obsolete due to a change in the mediawiki search software. For example you can now run this search:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=nixeagle+prefix%3AWikipedia%3AAdministrators%27+noticeboard&ns0=1&ns4=1&ns8=1&ns10=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&fulltext=Search
 * Basically you include the word or words you are looking for, and following it add prefix:Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard and it will search all archives for you automatically. ——  nix eagle 03:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks :) Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 03:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

El Vado Motel
I know you deleted it over two years ago, but how is it advertising? My ©2006 Route 66 Adventure Handbook by Drew Knowles states that the motel was in danger of meeting the wrecking ball. Given that it is probably a U.S. Route 66 landmark and not another advertising article, I think one should give it a go. Of course, I didn't see the original article, so who am I to judge? However, I would like to see more in relation to the article and why it was deleted...TheListUpdater (talk) 17:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The full text of the article is as follows:


 * The famous El Vado Motel, passes along the U.S. Route 66. The neon lights of the highly stylized is said to have been "beckoning travelers for six decades". The adobe cabins epitomize everything southwestern and capture the spirit of the "Land of Enchantment." Because of the El Vado's unique character it has been placed on the National Historic Register. It truly is one of the best examples of a classic Route 66 motor court to be found along the Mother Road and is an irreplaceable treasure indeed
 * Built in 1937 by Dan Murphy, former manager of Albuquerque's Franciscan Hotel. In the mid 1980s to the early 1990s, El Vado was run by the very well-liked Ali Hakam, who has was attributed to faithfully preserving the charm and elegance of the historic motel.


 * There was no mention of its danger of meeting the wrecking ball. Also note the article's total lack of sources. Finally note the language used:
 * It truly is one of the best examples of a classic Route 66 motor court to be found along the Mother Road and is an irreplaceable treasure indeed
 * "... El Vado was run by the very well-liked Ali Hakam ..."
 * The adobe cabins epitomize everything southwestern and capture the spirit of the "Land of Enchantment." -- This is not encyclopedic without decent sourcing. As it is it is mere verbiage (This is sentimental, not anything really substantial).
 * The neon lights of the highly stylized is said to have been "beckoning travelers for six decades". -- Again this is an opinion.
 * I suppose at the time I *could* have stubbed it, I won't say no to your recreating it (and fixing the flaws), but I do think the original reason for deletion was valid (the article reads as a promotion), as a stub would merely read that it was a historic place. ——  nix eagle 20:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It does sound like it is very biased, unsourced, and full of weasel words, but it probably wasn't truly considered "advertising". I might recreate the article with a total rewrite and referenced, but for now...it was a bad article. :P TheListUpdater (talk) 20:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Searching and AN and ANI and other subpages
Hi there. I spotted this and ended up at Template:Administrators' noticeboard navbox/Search. Would you be able to help update WP:SEARCHING? I added something there from the wiki-tech mailing list post, but the whole page needs revamping. In case you are interested, I used the new search to generate the lists at WT:BLP, but used the "prefix index" to find the list of AN and ANI subpages at User talk:MBisanz. Would the search method you document at Template:Administrators' noticeboard navbox/Search still find text in those subpages, and is there a way to restrict the search to AN3, AE and ANI subpages (as these are all subpages of AN)? Carcharoth (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: OTRS tag
I don't have access to the OTRS ticket. I asked User:Orderinchaos to check the email for me, because of User talk:Matthewedwards. After looking at the ticket, the images, the pages they appeared on and the user's reply at my talk page, he said I could restore them. I didn't realise there was another step in the process, sorry. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

quick'n'dirty
@ User:Slakr/Temp/sql -- slakr \ talk / 09:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

AN3
Hiya Nixeagle. I just wanted to give my opinon there; no worries. GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * PS- As you can tell at Lonewolf BC's talk-page, a growing friction may have been occuring between Lonewolf & myself. As a result, I didn't contact him/her again (at Lonewolf's talk-page). I'll chalk it up to misunderstandings between Lonewolf & I. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

RFPP
Wanna stop copying me? Edit summaries are ok though. :P Just kidding, keep up the good work! Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :)  08:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I replied to you on the requests page; whatever decision you make I'm fine with, really (as long as no harm comes to my loved ones). Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  08:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR bot reports
Hi, I like the new revert monitoring bot - could I make a suggestion?

It would be helpful if, on User:3RRBot/bot reported disruption and 3RR violations, rather than listing the article in question with Article name it was listed with its relevant links i.e.

Thanks. CIreland (talk) 02:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, it should be implemented now, took me all of 5 seconds to change the brackets to the template. Now the titles will be more informative. :D ——  nix eagle 04:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

3RR bot code
I'm interested to read the code for the 3RR bot to see what heuristic it's using, if you don't mind sharing it. You didn't create a talk page for the bot, by the way. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 21:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can probably get you the source code this weekend. I don't want to hand it out right now as the framework I setup for the config files is not completed yet, and more importantly there is a bug in my rc parser which I want to clean up my ugly hack. ——  nix eagle 17:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as the hueriestic, it is basically reading the RC feed with the following "filters" on it.


 * 1) Discard all non-mainspace edits/logentries.
 * 2) Discard all edits by bots/admins
 * 3) Place all edits onto the end of a 300 edit buffer. (Assuming buffer is full do next step).
 * 4) If buffer is full, take the item at the start of the buffer and check the rest of the buffer for an edit that is by the same user on the same article. If the user has another edit in the queue, discard the top edit and wait. (This prevents multiple pointless checks on users doing many edits in a short period of time... we only check when the editor has left the article alone for about 10 minutes).
 * 5) If the edit has not yet been discarded, do a mysql query that returns the revisions that the user has edited the page in the last 24 hours. If there are fewer then 4 revisions returned, discard the edit... there is no way the user can violate 3RR without doing at least 4 edits to a page in one day.
 * 6) Finally if all these prior steps don't cause an edit to be discarded we must check the diffs themselves, load each diff, strip information that will screw up the MD5 hash. (Timestamp, comments etc), and hash it. Compare the hashes.
 * There is a subcheck that is done, if the count of matching hashes is "1" (means no edits are the same change), and there is only 1 edit left to check, we simply say there is no 3RR violation.
 * ——  nix eagle 17:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC) I'll get you the code, but that is the algorithm in english.

3RR report
triggered a bot 3RR report, but it looks like he was just very very indecisive.  MBisanz  talk 13:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

.. 3RR Bot
Hmm .. I just caught this (ending in me semi-protecting it, there are some later edits now). I know the db of the bot becomes bigger, but it would be great if the bot could also catch slower 'edit wars' (on a db of a week or month ). Just a heads up (I don't want you become bored and stop programming ;-) ). --Dirk Beetstra T  C 15:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, I guess we could up the timeframe from 24 hours to a larger number. I'll think about it as it might affect how I do the output for the bot as well. ——  nix eagle 18:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In a way, it would be nice if the format was similar to the formatting of the xwiki reports we have on meta, you can then make sortable tables for the different things, sorting them standard with the worse reports on top, and when a war continues more diffs are added to it. And then 'autoignore' after 1 day of no updates and less than 4 edits, and 'autostale' after 2 days and more than 3 edits or something similar (if you put the parameters in a on-wiki settings file like User:XLinkBot/Settings people can tweak certain parameters easily).  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 10:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

User:3RRBot/bot reported disruption and 3RR violations
Really interesting tool. A couple suggestions:
 * 1) A separate subpage for when the bot detects (possible) 4RR or greater.
 * 2) The bot should remove reports from the page after checking and seeing if the user(s) that are subject of the report are already under a block. (No point in having an admin check the situation out only to see the user is already blocked.) Cirt (talk) 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)