User talk:Nixeagle/Archive/2009/February

East West schism still an edit war
Lima is still edit warring. His last edit is a violation of wikipolicy. Since Lima has now starting posting scripture instead of sourcing.
 * Salvation in the East, is not salvation from the wraith of God, On the "wrath of God" see, , etc.

It is almost impossible to post with multiple Orthodox sources into the section since mutiple other editors keep deleting the comments that they don't like and forcing in Roman Catholic apologies. I have information and sources that are not just speeches but books by theogians specifically addressing Western Christianity. As far as I can tell not one of the editers has posted a specific Roman Catholic response to the specific Orthodox criticisms. Instead what has been posted is just frgaments from the Pope not addressed at all specifically to the Orthodox. Scripture now taken out of context. Nonsense not worthy of a wiki article. All just the continuation of Limas edit war first against User:Gubernatoria and now me. LoveMonkey (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Brackets
The below is copied from Template talk:Dyktalk. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  08:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let someone know that when dyktalk was added [[Talk:Other BBC Sports Personality of the Year Awards
 * here]] it placed "...%28pictured%29..." instead of "...(pictured)...". Not sure if this is a DYKadminBot or a template problem but I thought that I should make someone aware of this. Many thanks, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the bot. Gary King  ( talk ) 20:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

SPI bot
Please see WT:SPI. The bot is listing non-CU cases briefly, then delisting them and placing them in /queue. Mayalld (talk) 12:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

SPI
Hello, I just wanted to alert you of this change that I made to an SPI case, and ask about it, as, before I made the change, the TOC on the main page was listing everything as under the Nrse case. Although, I Still do not think this was the best edit to make, as now the other sock cases, along with this one, are not listed in the TOC, so I'm sorry if I screwed things up further. This message shall be delivered to the others working on making the main SPI page work.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  23:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK late
I sent you an email. The bot is 40 minutes late with the update.  Royal broil  16:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You fixed it - awesome! Thanks.  Royal broil  16:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the last seven updates (23:50, 05:40, 11:30, 17:20, 23:10, 05:00, 10:50), there's an obvious pattern: they're all exactly 5 hours and 50 minutes apart. The intention was to have them exactly 5 hours apart so either my math (3600 x 5 = 18000) is wrong or there's something else causing this consistent tardiness in the update. Any thoughts? - Dravecky (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And while you're at it, here's something else you might like to look at :) The bot is still not handling the archived image strings properly, as you can see here. Gatoclass (talk) 06:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And, not to pile on, but it's still not tagging articles that have parentheses in their names (like KSGF (AM)) so I've had to do some manual credits for these. - Dravecky (talk) 07:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * These are on the list, I have other issues and priorities to deal with first. ——  nix eagle email me 18:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Clerkbot again
Sorry to land another on you, because the Bot seems to do a great job with run-of-the mill cases, but it is definitely having trouble with CU cases. It is difficult to see exactly what the cause of this is. At first glance, it seems to be somewhat random, but in all probability we are looking at a regex that is slightly too stringent in what it is looking for. Mayalld (talk) 13:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Self-endorsing doesn't appear to work (where a clerk adds and endorses a CU tag that the requestor didn't). Such cases sit there as awaiting clerk approval
 * 2) Ordinary endorsing doesn't always work either. Several times, I endorse a case and it goes nowhere. It looks as if the bot is more sensitive to format than RFCU is.
 * 3) Completed CU cases (RFCU with a "Checked" parameter should go into the ordinary "Not requested/Completed" queue, but more often than not, they return to the "awaiting clerk approval" queue.
 * Ah, perhaps I have the answer!
 * The bot is set up to allow admins to endorse, but doesn't cater for a non-admin clerk Mayalld (talk) 10:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mayalld, if you encounter these problems yourself, it is by design as you are not on the bot's clerk list. (We allow admins to endorse cases by default). Non admins need to talk to the clerks (User:Tiptoety would be a good start) and they will add you to the bot's list provided they see you are not messing things up too badly :). Let me know after you talk to tippy if you still have issues. ——  nix eagle email me 17:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers, will do! Mayalld (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mayalld, I am speaking with Nixeagle as I type and am attempting to resolve a few of the issues we are having. Tiptoety  talk 17:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to join the IRC channel on freenode.net if you wish. The bot sits in there and passes out alerts so that checkusers and clerks idling there can respond to them quickly. ——  nix eagle email me 17:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Botfix
Thanks! -- Avi (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I have read Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerk and checkuser procedures, but if you think it's better to let solely clerks archive for now until the bugs are worked out, that's fine too. Thanks again! -- Avi (talk) 18:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okey-dokey. Please let me know when you find the magical missing page, though [[image:face-smile.svg|25px]] -- Avi (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Schneider spamming sockpuppet case
Thanks for replying to my comments in Wikipedia_talk:SPI. I'd already received some feedback that it was just too big a case to investigate, and am already working on ways to reduce the number of accounts to be investigated as well as finding just alternative approaches to handling the problems.

EdJohnston confirmed this, and we have started to discuss it a bit here: User_talk:Ronz. Could you comment there, or should I move it to the SPI talk page? --Ronz (talk) 22:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

User:SPCUClerkbot error
The bot has been trying to add Sockpuppet investigations/Chris (クリス • フィッチ), but has instead been repeatedly adding Sockpuppet investigations/Chris (ã¯ãªã¹ â¢ ãã£ãã), which doesn't exist – presumably a problem with Katakana symbols (on this occasion it's an incorrectly named and probably invalid WP:SPI case, but similar problems could probably occur with valid and correctly named cases). — Snigbrook 23:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting, should be fixed... ——  nix eagle email me 20:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Roy Ward
Hi [Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roy Ward]

You accidentally moved the Report date February 1 2009, 10:29 (UTC) which was not decided either. Please restore it (I don'tknow how to do it).

Siru108 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siru108 (talk • contribs) 07:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

No DYKtalk template at SS Irma (1905)
SS Irma (1905) was just displayed in the DYK section together with SS Henry in a double-DYK, but Irma didn't get a template. Is there something wrong with DYKadminBot? Manxruler (talk) 20:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an existing bug on that bot, I will fix it when I have time to fix. For the time being anything with 's will not be updated correctly. ——  nix eagle email me 14:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKAdminBot problem - Queue 1
Hi Nixeagle. The Queue 1 hooks (starting with the Flora of Saskatchewan hook) did not make it on to the main page. The stage in the process where the bot copies them to the main page and leaves the edit summary "Adminbot automatically updating DYK template with hooks copied from queue 1" seems to have been missed. All the credits and everything else were done. This was at about 13:30 UTC. Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!)  13:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd, let me know if issues continue for queue 2, I did a small change. ——  nix eagle email me 14:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have retrieved the unused set of hooks from Q1's history and placed them on Q2. I hope the bot will actually post them on MainPage this time (in <2 hours). --PFHLai (talk) 19:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Testing
May I ask if there is a problem with the bot that I need to know about as you were doing some recent testing. Thanks. ——  nix eagle email me 19:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think there actually might be. The thing that I'm working on is trying to get Twinkle to properly submit sockpuppet reports.  The issue that I'm having right now is that to get Twinkle to properly post to the report page, I have to include a non-blank edit summary.  I tested and saw that because of the way that TW is doing it, I don't have to worry about the edit summary being turned into a level 2 header.  I thought to myself, "fantastic!", but it was short lived.  Have a look at this bot edit, or simply the deleted page history if that link doesn't work.  It looks like something triggered the bot to remove headings, but it wound up removing the entire contents of the page.  I have a feeling that the trigger was the edit summary.  Could you help with this?  Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 19:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yoy! thats a bug! I'm the developer of said bot! You can leave the level 2 and 3 headers and just let the bot remove them as normal.... I need to figure out why the bot went beserk in this case regardless... Can you link me to the twinkle diff (eg what twinkle put up)? ——  nix eagle email me 19:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

SPCUClerkbot: Still having Unicode problems?
Hi Nixeagle, did you try to fix your bot after I blocked it the other day? I'm afraid it still seems to be mangling Unicode characters. See this pair of diffs:. It's only one small bit in this one, but the problem is still there: look at Collectonian's signature towards the end of the page; your bot turned " Collectonian (talk · contribs)" into "Collectonian (talk Â· contribs)". At some point in your code, you are apparently converting something to UTF-8, but then at some subsequent stage it is not recognised as such and converted a second time. If you are using Perl, I believe the solution is *not* to use Encode::encode('utf8', ...). If you have that line in your code, or if you are using Perlwikipedia, deactivate that line, or add Encode::_utf8_on(...) afterwards. See for an explanation of what is happening.

I'd appreciate a response, or I'll have to block the bot again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Update: Still acting on the guess that you may have been using Perlwikipedia: it turns out that the download page at http://code.google.com/p/perlwikipedia/ had an outdated link, until today, pointing to a 1.0 version from 2007, which was likely to produce that bug. I had a chat with ST47 and he updated the page and made it point to the current 2.0 version. If you upgrade to that, you should not have any troubles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, first off sorry for the delay in replying, I am replying to you vie cell phone. As far as your mentions of blocking the bot, you may do so if you think the bot is causing harm to the encyclopedia. From what I see though, as this is fairly minor as not many pages seem to be affected. Blocking the bot however is probably counter productive as the process it runs does not work well without it, and no *encyclopedia* articles are effected. I will fix this tomorrow when I have access to my computer to upload a fix. Also for your information, I did not know you blocked the bot prior... Nobody told me (if someone did... I totally missed it, its not out of the range of the possible for that to be the case). In future cases please email me about bot issues, especially if you think the issues are important/need quick fixes. Issues that require a bot to be blocked are by their very nature important. I do like to think that I am responsive to issues within the limits of my schedule.
 * The bot does use perl, but it is *not* using perlwikipedia. When I am at a real computer I will link you to the framework. As it is I'm fairly sure what the issue is now that I have been told of it and given an example. Thank you for reporting this issue! ——  nix eagle email me 01:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, no problem then. By the way, just for the record, I did actually e-mail you the other day when I made the block. Maybe it got lost? Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmm, odd, you used wikipedia's email? I have no record of ever getting an email from you. :S. I did fix the glitch though. I basically double encoded that page by mistake. ——  nix eagle email me 14:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, me again, it seems the bug is still there though. Compare  with. The bot changed "ΔιγουρενΕμπρος!" to "ÎÎ¹Î³Î¿ÏÏÎµÎ½ ÎÎ¼ÏÏÎ¿Ï!". That's still the same "double encoding" problem.

Would you let me have a look at the code? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This bug is fixed, I left one double encoding in by mistake. I thought I removed it and I simply never took the time to check that my changes actually fixed the issue. You can see the working bot edit at Sockpuppet_investigations/Digwuren/Archive. I basically reverted the bot, and had the bot re-archive. The problem you spotted is no longer there. ——  nix eagle email me 19:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Redwater Health Centre
The user Ttonyb1 keeps on saying and putting a speedy deletion tag on the article and it dose not fall under CSD G11 and he has threatened to block me please can you solve this as quickly as possible. Kyle1278 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update No longer need help Thank You. Kyle1278 (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKAdminBot glitch
Just emailed you about a glitch. One other thing I noticed...when the bot successfully updates DYK, it puts the corresponding hook on the articles' talk pages with the dyktalk template. This time, it didn't go through successfully, and it did give credits out, but didn't put the hooks in the credits. Hopefully this will help you debug. Shubinator (talk) 21:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, apparently it did put hooks in most of the credits...my bad. It missed dessert bars and erlizumab; maybe an unrelated glitch. I'll manually put these two hooks in. Shubinator (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Its acting oddly, but it seems to be doing so very randomly... I'll look into it as time provides. ——  nix eagle email me 20:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

SPI
I've tweaked SPI so that it will collapse cases on the main page, but leave them expanded on the sub pages

Instead of;

the bot should now list cases as;

Cheers Mayalld (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done ——  nix eagle email me 21:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Blocking
Based off of Sockpuppet investigations/Sleepydre/Archive, only one IP was blocked by you. The user Troop330 and IP .33.2 are still unblocked (and Troop330 is still editing). Do I need to take my request to ANI or could you do this? Thanks, §hep  • Talk  21:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just did it, apparently I forgot to do the blocks. ——  nix eagle email me 21:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Gracias. §hep  • Talk  21:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Tobimartire
Hi, he's currently using IP address User:24.127.195.148 deleting PROD tags again. JamesBurns (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In the future, just create a case at Sockpuppet_investigations/Tobimartire like I did this time around. Doing so lets us keep track of the history of problem users. I went ahead and blocked that IP, and semi-protected the article for a week. ——  nix eagle email me 22:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKadminbot's messaging
can you have it sign with a date, so that the threads will be auto-archived in case they don't get replied to? most archival bots will ignore a non date-stamped thread. cheers, – xeno  ( talk ) 21:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)