User talk:Njwsu1

Welcome! And a note on your username.
Hey there, welcome to Wikipedia! My degree's from John Moores, so it's cool to see related topics getting some love!

It looks like your username doesn't comply with Wikipedia's username policy that usernames should be for an individual, not an organisation. I'm sure you created the account in good faith, but this policy can sometimes be enforced quite strictly. Can I suggest you take a look at asking for a change of username by completing this form, or creating a new account for editing.

Please do give me a shout if you need any help with your editing! Alternatively, check out the Teahouse or ask the Help Desk. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:49, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created John Moores Students' Union, and I noticed that your username, " Johnmooresstudentsunion ", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, service, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are permitted to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you individually (not your role), such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87", but not "SEO Manager at XYZ Company".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, service, or website, regardless of your username. Please also read our paid editing policy and our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please request a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, choosing a username that complies with our username policy. Alternatively, you can just create a new account and use that for editing. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. Shadow311 (talk) 16:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If you do not reply to this notice in 1 hour and continue to edit without replying to this notice, you will be reported to WP:RFCN . Shadow311 (talk) 16:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

January 2024
 Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because your account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must: To do this, post the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked.
 * Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement; and
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked; and
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked; and
 * Provide a new username.

Please note that the new username you choose cannot already be taken and in use by another account. You can go here to search and see if the username you'd like to choose is available. If the search returns that no global account with that username exists, that means it is available to be taken.

Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Please keep new posts at the bottom, for proper discussion flow. Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID and tell what will be different about your editing in the future, as well as tell any other topics you might edit about as a general contributor. Someone else will review your request. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I am not getting paid to make any contributions to Wikipedia. There is no conflict of interest other than to make sure that the details are correct about the Students' Union. We are a charitable organisation that relies on exposure and we have lots of students' joining each year, at a leading UK university. I am in no way editing the page to gain any form of money or mean to cause conflict of interest. How can an organisation have a site on Wikipedia but can't update its details with out it being conflict of interest? In my edits, all I have done is update the photograph, change the location and address as the previous one was wrong and out of date. The information about sabbatical student officers was wrong (it was showing trustee members names from 2021/22.) This is clearly out of date and we have new representatives. This changes each year, as we hold elections that happen nationally, at each Students' Union. This will need revising each year so that if our future students want to search for us on Wikipedia and use it in the correct way it was intended, to be an encyclopaedia to the world, surely the data needs to be up to date and correct. If I need to edit this separate from the Students' Union please tell me how I can, as I don't want to lose the page nor the right to edit. This is important to us to keep this page constantly up to date as it has not been up to date for so long. Johnmooresstudentsunion (talk) 12:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You said you "work for" the union. If they pay you a salary, or give you anything at all as compensation for your work(it doesn't have to be money or even anything tangible), that counts as paid editing and triggers the Terms of Use required need to disclose.  If you receive nothing from the union, it is not paid editing, but it is still a conflict of interest.  A conflict of interest does not mean you are absolutely prohibited from contributing about it, but it must be done in the correct manner.  In this situation we usually like to see what the editor at issue wants to edit about other than their organization, so that they can demonstrate their understanding of relevant Wikipedia policies before being permitted to contribute about their organization.  We often find that allowing such people to dive right in to COI related contributions wastes everyone's time(including the editor) as they don't usually understand our content policies.  If you can demonstrate here and now that you understand relevant content policies and things like conflict of interest, I have no problem with the reviewing admin unblocking you.
 * You misunderstand some things about Wikipedia. Organizations do not "have pages" here- Wikipedia has articles about organizations.  An article subject does not have exclusive rights to the article about it any more than it could dictate what The New York Times or CNN decide to write about it.  Your union has no more special rights to the article about it than any other editor, though its input(through you, its apparent representative) is welcome. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I would add that Wikipedia has no interest in increasing your union's exposure. That is a promotional purpose. 331dot (talk) 12:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi there, thanks for you response. I would like to confirm I understand the conflict of interest prohibitions and the paid prohibitions of the site, and would like to confirm I in no way want to infringe on Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * I have not done this before, so I am still coming to terms with how I can edit 'articles' that are incorrect. If I have an account, I will adhere to making any amendments of any kind towards articles I'm familiar with, for example other companies or notable figures in Liverpool that I am interested in, and will make edits like this in future - if I am aware of any misinformation on the articles.
 * However, I hope you can help me with this. I am really struggling to see how articles can be published in the first place about organisations, and then aren't able to be edited by those who are directly linked to the organisations, without there being conflict of interest. If the information is wrong on an article, how can one edit it without it being an infringement on guidelines?
 * I understand you may not have interest in the exposure of the Students' Union, that's completely fair. But, this page is on Google. It ranks high in SEO. So, I have an interest in correcting the mistakes on an article on Wikipedia that was written years ago, and is now out of date. The information needed changing, that's all I wanted to achieve.
 * I do hope you understand where I'm coming from, I can lay out all the edits I have made in order for this to be resolved. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do in order for this to be confirmed, as mentioned all I wanted to do was simply update an article that was incorrect. Thank you for your assistance thus far. Johnmooresstudentsunion (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic, who take note of significant coverage of the topic in independent sources and choose on their own to write about it, summarizing what those sources say. A less formal way of putting this is, people typically see coverage of a topic in a book or in the news and decide to write about it.  They might also come here for the expressed purpose of improving coverage of a topic(like heads of state/government, science, history, etc.) and perform research to see if a subject warrants an article.  Organizations writing about themselves is not absolutely forbidden, but it is highly discouraged, because organizations(and people) naturally write favorably about themselves; they also tend to be too wrapped up in their own organization or in marketing jargon to be able to set what they know aside and only write about what independent sources say about the topic.
 * I again stress it is not absolutely forbidden for a representative of an organization to contribute about it, they just need to do so consistent with the conflict of interest policy(and the paid editing policy, if applicable). In most cases we want such editors to propose edits according to a process(click for instructions) instead of editing articles about their organization directly. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, that makes sense. Thank you, I will have a look over those and make sure to adhere in future. thanks for your time. Njwsu1 (talk) 13:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've carried out the rename of your account. 331dot (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will I be able to still appeal the blocking? Njwsu1 (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Your request is still open. Someone will review it. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, no problem. thanks again. Njwsu1 (talk) 14:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, after reading WP:COIEDIT, what will you do in the future so that you're in compliance with our guidelines? Unlike many other websites, when Wikipedia says to do something, we truly do expect you to do it.  That means reading the entirety of 2000 word page full of rules and regulations.  On Wikipedia, you can't just blindly click "accept" and ignore whatever you're agreeing to.  That way ends with blocks.  If this sounds like too much work just to join a dumb website, I understand.  Wikipedia isn't for everyone. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm prepared to review the entire article if this means I can edit it. The article was made years ago, I was simply updating information to make sure the article was correct and up to date. I understand this may be frustrating, and in no way do I see it as a dumb website. The information on the article was incorrect. If someone were to read the article, they would have outdated information. I can remove anything deemed 'promotional' in order to keep the article. I've not done this before, as I've explained and apologised for, I just wanted to chance the information for an outdated article. Njwsu1 (talk) 14:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I hesitate to unblock an account used by someone who can post text such as "Organising year-round events for students to get involved with the union, the make friends and experience opportunities whilst studying at university. They hae a dedicated EDI projects coordinator to ensure representation is ingrained in all activity across campus" and apparently honestly believe that they are not editing in a promotional way. Do you have anything to say about that? JBW (talk)
 * I hesitate to unblock anyone to edit within their conflict of interest (with promotional edits). I think updates should go on the subject's website, and not the encyclopedia article about it. For the most part, "all content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking."--  Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK to decline? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 07:47, 20 January 2024 (UTC)