User talk:Nkon21/Archive 5

DYK for I Know (Seo Taiji and Boys song)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Come Back Home (Seo Taiji and Boys song)
 Schwede 66  00:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Hello (Cho Yong-pil album)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 10 Minutes (Lee Hyori song)
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Meri Kuri
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

About moving draft articles
Hi, I'm Hatto. I recently found out that you are moving Draft:Ive (group) to Ive (group) like this on December 10 after the submission on December 5.

Considering that it has been moved from the draft article to the mainspace in just 5 days, I hope that other draft articles will also be moved to the mainspace by you.

I submitted Draft:Nemophila (band) on November 15 and Draft:Band-Maiko on November 19. If you don't have any problems, could you please move these draft articles to the mainspace like Ive's article? --Hatto (talk) 13:13, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for moving the draft articles so much! By the way, I found out that you are a K-pop listener when I see your userpage. I believe that was also the reason you moved Ive draft article to the mainspace. There are two Iz*One members in Ive. I have found the following draft articles created for Iz*One members and other Korean related issues. I have draft articles, both submitted and not, do you think there are any draft articles that you think deserve to be moved to mainspace? --Hatto (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Kang Hye-won
 * Draft:Kim Chae-won (singer, born 2000)
 * Draft:Lee Chae-yeon (singer, born 2000)
 * Draft:Kep1er
 * Draft:Running Girls


 * Would you check Kep1er draft article because it was submitted? --Hatto (talk) 16:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey there, I'm not sure if these articles meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, with the exception of Kep1er. The articles about the singers don't show they have significant notability outside their respective groups, and Running Girls seems to be a minor TV program that may not need its own article. Kang Hye-won seems like she almost meets it, but her work needs to chart on the Gaon Digital Chart before it can be published. After Kep1er debuts, me or someone else can move the article to mainspace. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  04:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply! By the way, are you willing to not only move to mainspace, but also to participate in editing the above 5 draft articles? --Hatto (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Kep1er draft article was submitted, reverted repeatedly and was currently submitted. I think that you move it to mainspace if you think it's no problem. --Hatto (talk) 13:22, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have moved Draft:Kep1er into mainspace now, as they debuted and have significant coverage in South Korean media. Best, ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  03:19, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for moving the article! Also, what do you think that Draft:Kang Hye-won was submitted on January 13? Do you think it would be ok to move it to mainspace? Please check it out. --Hatto (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Candy (H.O.T. song)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Your edits pertaining to discographies
Hi Nkon21, I see that you're replacing individual source for China sales to saoju.net one, however previous discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Archive 21 (asked by me) and also on Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 17 with multiple editors suggesting the source as unreliable hence shouldn't individual source from the respective removed music streaming website be better even though still not as good but at least they're kind of official one rather than sketchy looking one. Your thoughts?  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I was not aware that there were discussions that it was deemed generally unfit, and I see several editors seem to agree that the individual network sources are better to use. So I've undone my edit. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  02:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No prob, thanks  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

In My Darkest Hour
Thank you for moving Kang Hye-won draft article to mainspace so much! Megadeth song Draft:In My Darkest Hour, which I helped edit, was also submitted. I think this draft article deserves to be moved to mainspace, and I've asked another user to help edit it to move it to mainspace, and posted it here for you to check it out. What do you think about this draft article? --Hatto (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply– I have one question though, did this song chart on any official charts? ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  02:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * According to Megadeth discography, apparently this song is not charting. However, there's no doubt that it's one of their most prominent songs. Does it have to be a charted song for you to move it to mainspace? --Hatto (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
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Twice 4th world Tour III
Hi, I am looking at Twice 4th World Tour III and noticed that you edited it. I also noticed a couple other people changed the vcr/ments and you reverted it. Not sure why they are unnecessary when the main tour page has them. Could you elaborate on this?

Cokaki7927 (talk) 08:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Le Sserafim
I've submitted it for review, do you think that it's fine? Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:51, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I've accepted the AfC submission given their large coverage in Korean media ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Napal Baji
Why did you redirect it to Chiljip Psy-da? —- Sinsyuan (talk) 00:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I merged it into the album article because generally stubs should be merged into related articles. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

CL image
It's better to use jpg images instead of png images because the png images have really bad quality. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 18:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I reuploaded the image in jpg. I don't think the picture needs to be changed as the new version has good quality too. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the other image I have would be good to use, like I mentioned on the talk page of the CL article. It should be changed because I don't think the lead image should be of her advertising beer. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖉</b> 18:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I changed the image to the one you uploaded. <b style="color:#00BFFF; font-family:magion">Btspurplegalaxy</b> <b style="color:#50C878">🗩</b> <b style="color:#9D9E9E">🖉</b> 18:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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Blackpink page Artistry section
Hi thank you so much for collaborating on my new added section on blackpink's main wikipedia page, but please i've already added reliable sources to back up the statement i wrote, so i would like you ask you to not revert it, it's wikipedically correct and accurate, it does follow the rules and its very neutral. Moonlight Entm (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Some stuff that you wrote including They also have recieved widespread media acclamation for the styling and visual representation of their music videos" is not neutral. Please format references correctly, the title of the publication goes in the "website" parameter not "publisher", date of publication goes in "date" not "access-date", and you need to add authors when available. Pay attention to spelling and proper English syntax, proper nouns should begin with capital letters not lowercase, you should not add spaces before commas, and references goes after punctuation not before. Don't expect other editors to always clean up after you like I have on Blackpink's article, as you should know these things yourself if you want to edit Wikipedia. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, however if you read the sources you"ll see that if totally says what i wrote in the statement, i"ll edit properly, i simply put it like that cause i wanted to edit it simply so it doesn't look messy, also the references can be made like that too, that's how i learned to edit here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonlight Entm (talk • contribs) 21:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes I read the sources, and they don't mention the words "acclaim" or "trend". In order to comply with WP:VERIFIABILITY, those sources need to say the exact things that you write. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  22:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

The image is not copyrighted, it was uploaded by a user who had a license from youtube. Moonlight Entm (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes it is copyrighted, as there is not indication of a free license in the original video source. If you don't understand what images can or cannot be used on here then I advise you to please refrain from uploading any images to Wikipedia. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  19:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

[|Le Sserafim Music Show placings]
What are your thoughts on modifying that information to better suit the page? I was looking for this information earlier, and couldn't find a collated list anywhere. Providing a list for future visitors might be useful? Interested to discuss further. WebSoftDrink (talk) 23:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * See Fearless (Le Sserafim song) ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  23:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hm, bit hidden away. Can we add a link from the main page to that? WebSoftDrink (talk) 13:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Girls Generation
Hi there, girls generation do not include solo members sales or whatever, did you even read the sources? Both of them clearly stated "digital and physical records" making them the second girl group in history to achieve that, can you please stop trying to abuse of your power and stop nitpicking/inventing every single little thing to justify your biased actions and reverting my editions. Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Plus OneHallyu is not a source for wikipedia, it's literally a kpop fans website where everyone can publish what they want even if its inaccurate and goes live on the internet that just contradicts the wikipedia rules of reliable references that you editors want to always advice to others, i provided articles from the prestigious magazine Seventeen and one of the most prestigious newspaper in China, South China Morning Post. Moonlight Entm (talk) 04:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The SCMP article states that they got that figure from Koreaboo, who most likely themselves obtained it from fans. Yes OneHallyu is not reliable, but where do those sources get the 100M figure from? Combining everything from subgroup and solo sales into one giant figure seems to be the most plausible explanation. When you add up all the sales on SNSD's discography page, it doesn't add up to 100M are anywhere near it for that matter. Its pretty clear to me that this figure is from combining all solo and subgroup sales and therefore it should not be added to Wikipedia. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  05:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

The scmp article never stated they got it from koreaboo, plus koreaboo is more reliable than OneHallyu would ever be, it doesn't add to that figure cause the sources are from 2012, literally 10 years ago since their sales are not updated, Girls Generation superpassed the mark of 100M physically and mostly digitally worlwide, its more than correct and accurate to add it here, plus this sales do not include sub-unit or solo members sales, it's very clear, 8 of them combined don't reach even 2 million, only Taeyeon can and this figure of course do not include her sales. Moonlight Entm (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you read the article than SCMP stated that the figure is from Koreaboo. OneHallyu and Koreaboo are both very unreliable sources. If you look at that forum it makes perfect sense that fans would say that SNSD has sold 100 million records, but that's when combining all subgroup and solo sales too. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Those sales are mostly digital, they've sold an impressive amount of downloads worlwide and even if it really counts sub-units then the figure is still higher than 34.4 million, please remove girls generation out of the list until a new source confirms their sales even though seventeen and scmp already did it and koreaboo's calculation are not wrong either, but since its impossible to put it here without an editor reverting it, be fair cause their source is from literally 10 freaking years ago, every old source has been removed except theirs, it's unfair, remove until a new confirmation. Moonlight Entm (talk) 21:26, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Stub-class versus Start-class articles
Hello Nkon21. Regarding your categorisation of your own article Im Nayeon as start-class late last month, the article still, several weeks later, is only a stub, at least according to the WikiProject Albums criteria laid out at WikiProject Albums/Assessment. The example of a stub given there is this revision of the article Breaking Sensation, which Im Nayeon currently pretty closely resembles. If I created an article like this, I would struggle to consider it start-class, and whether the lead section as such is much of an overview at all. Please bear in mind the example the Albums WikiProject provides. Thanks.  Ss  112   08:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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Pop song article
Hi there, you have to revert your own edit, there's already an article called "Pop (song)" and they are too similar, the correct name is "Pop! (Nayeon song)". Moonlight Entm (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * There's a British group called Pop! without a "(British group)" identifier or something similar to distinguish it from normal Pop, so to me this seems fine. But if you gain a consensus among other editors that it should be moved back, then I'll happily do so. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  17:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
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