User talk:Nlu/archive14

Brentwood School
Hi, I noticed your final warning for vandalism for Brentwood School (Brentwood, England) for User:217.205.48.138. It's happened again, and keeps happening on this page, obviously with bored schoolkids with nothing better to do. As nearly all the edits are vandalism, I wonder if this article could be blocked altogether for a while from any edits.

Tyrenius 17:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me look into it. If it's a single IP, I think it's better to block the IP.  If it's multiple IPs, I may protect the article.  Thanks for your diligence.  --Nlu (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think the level of vandalism justifies protecting at the moment. I issued the IP another warning.  Again, thanks for watching out for vandalism.  --Nlu (talk) 17:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's junior-grade mischief-making but it won't ever stop. How have they accrued three last warnings? It simply devalues the threat. Can't they be blocked from editing particular pages? -- ThwartedEfforts 11:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Right now, the blocking mechanism isn't capable of that level of specificity. If it gets more serious, I'll protect the page, but otherwise there's not much that can or should be done, because there is not way to tell if the same person got the multiple warnings.  --Nlu (talk) 16:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism by User:198.170.191.248
You banned that IP for 24 hr a week ago; user is back committing more vandalism at RAH-66 Comanche.

By the way, which script do you use to generate the "reverting changes by XX to last version by YY" edit changes? --Mmx1 18:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not a script I'm using; it's a button that's available to admins only. There are scripts that approximate the behavior, but I didn't use them when I was a non-admin, and I don't use them now.  --Nlu (talk) 18:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the IP for 48 hours. Thanks for your diligence.  --Nlu (talk) 19:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:CP logs
Hi. I noticed you had deleted Copyright problems/2005 September 29. Please don't. Like all logs, they are sometimes needed to refer to in future. Just because all entries on a page have been handled doesn't make the information on the page irrelevant, and it's not like deleting the logs actually achieves anything in particular. I've restored Sep 29 since it was needed in a discussion; can I ask you to go and restore any others you've deleted? Thanks. -Splash talk 18:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that I did that -- but if I did, it was when I was a newby admin who should have known better. :-) Sorry if that were the case.  I am not aware of my deleting any other.  --Nlu (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You did, because the deletion log says you did! In fact, I think most of the redlinks in Copyright problems/Log are yours... -Splash talk 19:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Restored. --Nlu (talk) 02:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to report a notorious vandalizer
User:Thousandsons have vandalized the NWA page only a few hours later he'd been re-allowed to edit after his first 24hrs-block. Lajbi 01:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not at a place where I can address this right now. Try (if vandalism is continuing) listing it on WP:AIV.  --Nlu (talk) 02:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Could you identify the personal attacks on WP:ANI you are referring to that led you to block SPUI for a whole week? Thanks. — Mar. 21, '06 [05:55] 
 * The attack was taunting Rschen7754 and saying that he needed to be educated about vandalism. IMPO, SPUI vandalized, but I was unwilling to get into a wheel war with regard to unblocking him.  However, upon unblocking, he's taunting others.  That's good reason to reinstate the block.  --Nlu (talk) 05:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So you blocked him for a week, twice, because you found SPUI's opinions unreasonable? Well shit, are you gonna block me next??? — Mar. 21, '06 [06:15] 
 * If you engaged in sockpuppetry, I'd say yes. I don't see why you're choosing to overlook that fact.
 * SPUI has had so many issues here that he should have known better. Blocks are supposed to be progressive in length, and his behavior pattern deserves it.  It's not just an opinion; it's the taunting, it's the utter lack of remorse and the failure to apologize for his disruptive behavior.  If we wouldn't take it from an anonymous IP, we shouldn't take it from SPUI.  --Nlu (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that SPUI is under probation from the pedophilia ArbCom; it says that admins can block him for up to a week. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * However, I must say that I don't believe he violated that probation. --Nlu (talk) 06:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would consider that inappropriate harassment. — Mar. 21, '06 [06:21] 
 * What is "that"? My behavior?  Rschen7754's?  SPUI's?  --Nlu (talk) 06:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Any unnecessarily punitive block that is one attempts to justify by citing the former fiasco. — Mar. 21, '06 [06:34] 
 * I'm sure you'll disagree, but IMO, it's not inappropriate because SPUI should have known better than to provoke. --Nlu (talk) 06:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And actually, upon second reading of that probation term, I think SPUI has violated it. Part of the probation term is "no provocative edits."  I still believe he vandalized yesterday, but if it's not vandalism, it's certainly provocation (and the most recent taunting certainly is provocative.)  --Nlu (talk) 06:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Provocative edits? See SPUI's edit on my talk page. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW thanks... I owe you big time after this is over. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks, but I don't think you owe me anything. I didn't really do you any favors by my position.  --Nlu (talk) 06:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but not everyone is willing to stand up for what is right though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)  06:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry
Thousandsons: I am sorry for vandalizing N.W.A's page, you are mistaken I'm not even sure what I did to the page, I don't vandalize anymore I've spent the last hour working on these two pages Lil Eazy-E & Prince of Compton, please forgive me and let's jsut start over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thousandsons (talk • contribs)
 * No problem. Sorry if I erroneously assumed it to be vandalism, but inserting links regarding Sin City (including interwiki links) certainly makes it look like vandalism.  Welcome to the project, and I see that you're productive in your last few edits.  Keep up the good work!  --Nlu (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Experimenting?
"Thanks for experimenting with the page Chad Johnson on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks."

What experimenting? The cheerleader in question was a Ben-Gal. That is what the Cincinnati Bengals cheerleaders are named. - 24.33.91.71 (and I intend to register here sometime in the near future)
 * Then it creates a redundancy; if they're known as the Ben-Gals, then "Ben-Gals cheerleader" is a double descriptor. --Nlu (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

But the name of the cheerleading squad is not common knowledge; an unfamiliar reader would not know the article referred to a cheerleader. - 24.33.91.71
 * Then, it should perhaps read something like "a Ben-Gal (a Bengals cheerleader)". --Nlu (talk) 06:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, that works. I'll do that. - 24.33.91.71
 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 06:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan
I'm going to unsprotect this now, since it's been a good length of time since you protected it. Since WP:SEMI is for dealing with serious current vandalism, this seems longer than "current" can really be stretched to, particularly since the 3RR only covers 24 hours. I noted a few other quite lengthy semiprotections by you; they can be hard to remember since they don't expire like blocks, but can I ask you to take a cruise through your protection log and see if you have others that got left protected? Thanks. -Splash talk 22:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, sure. Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 02:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
No problem. -- Rory 0 96 06:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You're blocking me again
I responded, it got saved, and became vaporized. I got a letter, went to talk, and nothing was there, so I blanked it. It's you, your vandalism. I agree with Wiglaf. This wikipedia is a failure, and all economic support for it must be withdrawn (and perhaps Congressionally); in the meantime, I'm doing the non-copy-vio bit stealing articles for another wiki. --FourthAve 07:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at your contribs, all you were doing was pushing your POV. Wikipedia is a complete success if we judge by how well we reverted your edits, since all you were doing was violating the WP:NPOV policy, unless a neutral point of view doesn't exist in your ideal wiki encyclopaedia. -- Rory 0 96 07:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of my articles were geographic and archaeological. I did an enormous bit with 1911 EB project. The current 2500+ edits are actually closer to 3500 after all the EB 1911 annotations (the documentation for which are now all gone). See Range Creek, my last serious article. Wikipedia will collapse upon itself. All those Beyonce articles and people like you. Go away --FourthAve 07:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether you might have had positive contributions, personal attacks and defamatory POV are still no-no's -- that's even if you're the greatest writer in the world. --Nlu (talk) 07:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV
Well, we blocked that user, and then this IP showed up, exact same method. I don't think it's coincidence; maybe I was a bit too quick to judge, but there is probablity at least. M   o    P  07:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Which user are you referring to? --Nlu (talk) 07:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Iamtehc00lies. M    o    P  07:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree it is very suspicious, but without more I don't think we should block. Just keep watch out for it.  Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 07:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, I don't want a blocking spree. But I will watch him; removing the notice though. Thanks! M    o    P  07:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry.
Sorry re that, it was a false alarm and I really wasn't paying closer attention. — NathanHP (T • C • W) 07:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * All right, no problem. Thanks for being diligent. :-)  Better false alarm than no alarm.  --Nlu (talk) 07:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You and I blocked Thorp naga about simultaneously -- I blocked for 24 hours and you indefinitely. I have no quibbles about an indefinite block, but if you want it to stay in place, you may need to unblock and then reblock indefinitely. --Nlu (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will take care of this. Best regards, Hall Monitor 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

hey man
yo how's it goin??? thnx for revertin my userpage. and as you might know. i filed an arbitration against you guyz. but i mean you're not really such a bad editor. i mean you're a pretty good wikipedian, i respect that. so anyway do you think there's anyway we can settle our difference mayb thru another way??? i mean all i want is for jiang to remove dat image from his userpage (not his talkpage). and uhh...this isn't personal attack so plz don't block me again. i'm juss tryin to communicate. lol i always get scared of being block when i post a comment on ur talkpage. you kno wut?? juss forget it and mayb we can start over. anyway hit me bak okay???--Freestyle.king 07:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I still say: don't mess with his image. He isn't inserting POV into articles, and neither should you.  He has already repeatedly told you that he does not agree with the statement that the man in the image was making.  Nothing more needs to be said.  Further, even if, aguendo, Jiang does agree with the message that the man in the image was depicting -- well, he is allowed to have a negative view of President Chen.  --Nlu (talk) 07:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

then maybe i didn't personally endorse the big black image on my userpage and you shouldn't had blocked me for a week. the block wasn't justified.--Freestyle.king 08:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The block was for this; I stand by it. I doubt that many people on the ArbCom will find the block to be unjustified at all.  --Nlu (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't confuse me!
 Sceptr e  ( Talk  ) 12:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Doh!. Sorry, thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hanging
G'day Nlu,

I appreciate that Hanging is probably a textbook case of the need for fullprotect at the moment, but I was kinda hoping to use it to ferret out more sleeper accounts. Ach, well. G'night, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 17:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to move it back to semi-protection? --Nlu (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nahh, no point. I just wanted to let you know why I hadn't gone for full protection as soon as the socks showed up &mdash; and why I'd not recommend it in the future. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 09:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Spam?
Where did i post a span link? --Jordantheking 21:47, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is my opinion (shared by a few other admins) that this site constitutes spam. If you disagree, feel free to try to bring it up at WP:AN or WP:ANI.  --Nlu (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello
The reason I used possible thret was because he was actually creating his vandalism page user talk: Never mind see history and I never knew you liked the han Dynasty. Do you play Dynasty Warriors by the way? Whopper 17:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Information about SockPuppets
Good Day. I have noticed from your posts to CheckUser that you are interested in chasing down sockpuppets. I wanted to let you know that users having a sockpuppet is not a violation of Wikipedia Policy. Please read SockPuppets to learn all about them. I would not want you to waste your time trying to fix something that is, in fact, not wrong. I hope this helps. Good Luck! HereIsFIVE 16:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi, sorry to see you're not well, and I hope you recover soon. I've just reverted T.S. Eliot after edits and was going to leave a test template on User talk:65.125.82.250, but that editor is a consistent vandal, and has been blocked before etc, so I thought I would bring it to your attention.

Best Tyrenius 15:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. In this case, though, 65.125.82.250's edits appear to be good faith edits -- the links that he/she removed are arguably excessive, and there was no content defacement.  There was also a poor attempt at sectionalizing -- which, however, actually suggests that it was good faith.  Further, this is a shared school IP, so whoever the editor this morning is not necessary the vandal in the past.  (I justed added a sharedip to reflect that.)  Therefore, no action will be taken at this time, but thanks for your diligence.  --Nlu (talk) 16:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi! I saw that you've recently reverted some changes on Patrick. This page was modified again today and all its content was deleted. Could you revert it to its previous form or teach me how to do it? Thanks. Lujanjl 17:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look in a minute -- but if you want to do it yourself, you just go to the page's history (by clicking on the "History" tab) and select the last version before the vandalism, and then select "Edit", but don't actually edit it -- and then put something like "rvv" in the edit summary, and click "Save page." That would get rid of the vandalism.  --Nlu (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

RE Personal attack
Nlu, that was in no way a personal attack. I said quote " How about - Nlu,Dlyons493,Deville and moreover Golfcam, you sicko - let's create threads for the 468 people in front of Ms. Knatchbull" If you are offended by the sicko comment, that was not to you, it was for golfcam who wanted to see a picture of her. I was highlighting the fact that you, dlyons493 and deville should think about filling up the threads before her instead of deleting her which would defeat the point of having an online encyclopedia. The whole idea is that the material is useful. Let's say someone wanted to find out who she was, they could come here to find out.

I am also quite offended by the fact that you think it was a personal attack. Let's get this straight, I've not got a harmful bone in my body. The suggestion was in my opinion, maybe not yours, not offensive and was never intended that way and has left me rather bemused. how was I attacking you, my job is to stop that article being deleted and I am making an argument. if you have got wound up about it then I'm sorry, but I fail to see how it was offensive. Please e-mail be back because obviously I don't want to be blocked. Thank you and God bless, Jonathan.

Wikipedians engaging in debate is an essential part of the culture of Wikipedia. Be civil and adhere to good wiki etiquette when stating disagreements to avoid personalizing them and try to minimize unnecessarily antagonistic comments. Disagreements with other editors can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks. It is important not to personalize comments that are directed at content and actions, but it is equally important not to interpret such comments as personal attacks. Specific examples of comments that are not personal attacks include, but are not limited to:
 * QUOTE - Examples that are not personal attacks

Disagreements about content such as "Your statement about X is wrong" or "Your statement is a point of view, not fact" are not personal attacks. Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks. Stating "Your statement is a personal attack..." is not itself a personal attack—it is a statement regarding the actions of the user, not a statement about the user. There is a difference between "You are a troll" and "You are acting like a troll", but "You seem to be making statements just to provoke people" is even better, as it means the same without descending to name-calling. Similarly, a comment such as "responding to accusation of bad faith by user X" in an edit summary or on a talk page is not a personal attack against user X. A comment in an edit history such as "reverting vandalism" is not a personal attack. However, it is important to assume good faith when making such a comment—if the edit that is being reverted could be interpreted as a good-faith edit, then don't label it as vandalism. UNQUOTE.
 * Whether it was directed at me or not, the "sicko" comment is a personal attack. Don't do it again.  --Nlu (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I understand that you part of the counter-vandalism team but please remember that I am not a vandal by any means. Also you could say 'please, don't do it again.' It's much nicer and I appreciate politeness. Rest assured I will never personally attck anyone. If its a debate, I am entitled to write my arguement acccording to the wikipedia guidelines, posted in my previous attachment. Please remember Nlu that I am not the enemy here. I'm merely doing my job, i.e. protecting a page. And if people want to keep her just for a picture then they are the ones who should be targeted for irrelevance. Thank you, 11:02, 28th March 2006 QwentyJ.
 * Ok, since I cannot accuse him of being a 'sicko', I still think he is sick for wanting to see a picture of her. And the arguement for that is it was completely unrelated to the debate about the page, since he said that she should only be kept if she was hot and had a picture of herself.

P.S. The sicko comment was in actual fact a joking statement, not a personal attack, though I should remind him that his point was irrelevant.

Request for page protection
Hi Nlu,

Would you please be able to semi-protect the Armenian Genocide page? Some anon continues to remove images and information - he/she was blocked for breaking the 3RR but simply changed their IP and continued. On the talk page, all they have really been making is personal attacks by calling everyone "Turk-haters". I'd really appreciate it if you semi-protect the page for now. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 06:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Nlu (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate it. --Khoikhoi 06:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a complete lie, read through the changes and you will realize that the new entries have no purpose other than to provoke the other side. This topic is highly contested, if you decide to temporarely block it, thats your perogative, but to actually revert and block it, I am sorry, thats just not fair because it clearly means that you are not neutral and are siding with a particular POV! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.105.144 (talk • contribs)


 * See The Wrong Version. In any case, I have insufficient knowledge of whose version of the events was correct, nor am I interested in the merits thereof; what I can see is that you've been completely uncivil and unwilling to obey WP:3RR.  In that case, reverting to the version you oppose is a perfectly good solution.  --Nlu (talk) 07:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry but I beg to differ, there have been additions to this topic that are totally unwarranted for and the instigators (Fadix, khoikhoi, Thoth, latinus) have successfully hijacked the topic. By reverting and blocking you are in fact agreeing with thier POV, you therefore cannot claim to be neutral on this issue! The right thing to do would have been to just block it, but you went a step further! I ask you to revert back and keep it blocked. 83.78.105.144 07:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That's what I would have done had you not been acting in this manner. --Nlu (talk) 07:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Point taken, I still ask you to revert, these additions are highly POV! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.105.144 (talk • contribs)
 * That's not the point of protection. What this would allow you to do is to calm down and rethink your position, and also to rethink your own actions.  What I'd say is this: eventually, I, or another admin, will unprotect that page.  When that happens, there should not be a  reeruption of the edit war.  Rather, explain your rationale, in calm, non-attacking language, on the talk page to the article and see if you can persuade others that your proposed edits are correct.  If you cannot, consider filing a request for comment in the appropriate area.  Edit wars are not good for Wikipedia, and what you are proposing is for me to join the edit war as well and to condone your behavior.  This I decline.  --Nlu (talk) 07:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Again I disagree with you, if you were a bit more attentive you would have noticed that I put this issue into the talk page (see PKE) and non of the instigators bothered even to respond, they were busy with a revert war. This 3rr is highly unfair in this case because the other side is ganging up so you have several contributors reverting, thereby avoiding a violation of the 3rr. I strongly suggest that you reconsider the highly POV revert! 83.78.105.144 07:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I ask you again to reconsider your revert, this point was submitted to the talk page but the vandals decided to ignore it and go into a revert war instead. Unless you give me a valid reason for your revert followed by the block, I cannot consider you as a neutral participant in this matter. Do you really believe that your are going to resolve this issue with this attitude of yours? Think again! 83.78.105.144 07:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Let me make this clear: I will not consider your request until and unless you get an attitude change. I've already given my position on this. If you believe that I am being unfair about this, you can bring it up in an RfC (as I already mentioned), or bring it to the attention of administrators at large at WP:ANI. However, again, please reexamine your own actions in this. Meanwhile, until that happens, no amount of repeated requests on my talk page will change that. --Nlu (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * it seems you have not even bothered to read the contents of my posting above. Let me repeat myself, I RAISED THE ISSUE ON THE TALK PAGE before this became a revert war. If you wish to ignore that point, thats your perogative, but if you decide to revert and then block the site, I am afraid thats far from being considered a neutral stance. I dont know if you realize this but with your arrogant attitude and actions you have succeeded in making this matter a whole lot worse. If you were truly neutral on this matter you would have raised the issue with me and warned me regarding blocking the site. You did none of that, a bit like shooting the prisoner and then asking questions. In light of the above, I again ask you to reconsider! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.105.144 (talk • contribs)


 * I really don't appreciate comments like these, just made by the anon a few seconds ago. I am not a "racist Turk hater" nor am I Greek or Armenian. --Khoikhoi 08:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you actually skipped the "friends" part and I insist from the pattern of your posts that you are very much a Turk hater! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.78.105.144 (talk • contribs)


 * OK, it is clear that you're not getting my point. WP:NPA is just that, no personal attacks, period, and since you're not listening, you are getting a 24-hour block in just a minute.  I hope, again, that you use this time to cool down and reconsider your actions.  --Nlu (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I really don't think that you are being impartial here, the anon despite being disruptive has a clear point: he raised the issue in the talk page and you are ignoring this. The conspiracy allegations might be a bit far fetched but its true that several of the users band together. Lutherian 11:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This anon was clearly someones sockpuppet, so is Lutherian. --Eupator 13:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I am nobodys sockpuppet, stop attacking me just because I subscribe to a particular POV. Lutherian 15:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Attacking you? I entirly agree with Eupator, and that you agree with the anon user that has been hijacking other articles like Adana and slandering a number of many users is much telling who the trouble maker is. You even supported him for the inclusion of a racist site which specifically has a text which says Armenians to be the lowest forms of life. You can start registering under no matter what alias you want, even the 'Englishman,' you will only decieve yourself. Talking of Hijacking, one has to pay attention to what happened to the Armenian genocide page starting with mid February with the huge amount of new aliases and so-called neutral people like you landing there, starting with Shelby28. Or another member who still denies having used two other socks when the evidences are clear. cut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fadix/evidencepage This is what hijacking means. Fad (ix) 16:10, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please take the underlying discussion elsewhere. Meanwhile, I don't really care about whether the anon's edits were right; his/her actions were unacceptable (particularly personal attacks), and that's what I blocked him/her for. I stand by the block. --Nlu (talk) 16:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you don't mind I have added other IPs to your checkusers. There are other, many other, cases to submit, since since mid Feb., many suspicious users have all appeared all together. One members two other socks have been exposed recently during a poll. Fad (ix) 17:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, I don't mind, but what would be more helpful would be to add registered users that you suspect of being sockpuppets, since IPs are, naturally, going to come back as not of the same IPs themselves. :-)  --Nlu (talk) 17:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing is that a registered user should go against the policies for me to be able to add it for a checkusers, some of them I suspect to be socks, but have behaved OK, only when they vote for an Rfa or a Poll can I request a checkuser if beside that they are behaving. It is still a possibility that my other submitted checkuser with user Tommiks, Karabekir and OttomanReference could have a link with yours, but I doubt, since Tommiks doing is a professional one, while this anonymous beside knowing how to use proxies is ammatorish and is only good at slandering. Fad (ix) 17:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage (and blocking the vandal). It is greatly appreciated. --TeaDrinker 23:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you for your diligence.  --Nlu (talk) 23:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

croation historian
Hey, can you space my NPA warning at the bottom out of Rory's warning deletion warning? Thanks. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  15:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of hesistant to do so right now after what I just wrote, and I think it's clear enough that they are distinctive warnings. --Nlu (talk) 15:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) I couldn't tell where one started and the other ended.
 * 2) They're both inappropriate and heavy handed, so far as I can tell. I may have missed some, but which genuine warnings (not placed mischievously by editors who are in conflict with him) did he remove? --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Rory096's warning was mischievious. Whether you felt it was appropriate or not, it was not mischevious, and therefore should not have been removed. --Nlu (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Do not edit a protected page
Do not edit a protected page. Editing a protected page may lead to your admin privileges being withdrawn. Croatian historian 16:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Since I protected the page, I am well-empowered to edit it to clarify my warnings to you. As I wrote, take another action like this and you will be blocked.  --Nlu (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you blocked this user on the basis of comments like the above? If not, could you provide evidence of the genuine personal attacks which justify the new block? --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 16:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd call and these personal attacks, would you not?  We are not his opponent's friends, and he knows that or reasonably should know that.  He's been warned repeatedly (and I felt that my initial message was neutrally-worded) not to call them vandals, and yet repeatedly does so.  Those are personal attacks.  --Nlu (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I've provided diffs of his personal attacks up on AN/I, including the one where he tells me to shutup, and other ones showing an uncivil tone. Nlu wasn't the only one to warn him about npa. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  16:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Nlu's examples don't really count, no &mdash; and ceriantly don't justify a forty-eight-hour block; Swatjester's are no better. I've unblocked him unprotected his Talk page, and reported this at WP:AN/I.  I hope that you'll leave this user alone until other admins have had a look at the case.  I must admit that, though I'm happy to take your word that you're not allied with his other attackers, he's not unreasonable to suppose that you are; your actions have been hasty and lacking in care.  He's now experienced poor behaviour at the hands of a string of admins, and although at least one has had the grace to apologise to him, he's justified in feeling a bit jaundiced about Wikipedia admins in general. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 17:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Why don't they really count? And I am distressed at how you feel it is not unreasonable for him to assume that there is a vast anti-Croatian historian conspiracy from whichever wing of the politics there is.  Your unblock is inappropriate.  Maybe you should leave this case alone until other admins have had a chance to look at the case.  You're condoning and fanning his behavior; that's not a good thing.  --Nlu (talk) 17:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Most of them are not personal attacks.
 * 2) Even those that are (generally mildly) uncivil are in response to what he sees (and I see) as unreasonable behaviour.
 * 3) With regard to what you imply is his paranoia, I can only point again to the events of today.
 * 4) I do condone some of his behaviour (the removal of abusive templates from his own Talk page), and I understand his reponse to the behaviour of those who apply heavy-handed sanctions without having taken the time to understand the situation.
 * 5) I intend to leave it alone until other admins have looked at and commented on it, as long as others do the same.
 * 6) I find it very odd that anons are excluded from an admin's Talk page, incidentally. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 20:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * See WP:RCU with regard to User:PoolGuy's sockpuppets' recent behavior, and check my user talk page's history. After all, you're interested in getting the whole story, aren't you?  --Nlu (talk) 06:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

a favor
hi nlu, i was wondering if you could move ice-9 to ice-nine for me, as mentioned on talk. ice-nine is currently a redirect, so i can't move it without sysop privelages. thanks a lot --He:ah? 06:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --Nlu (talk) 06:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks again --He:ah? 06:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

What?
What's with the warning? First you put it on my page and then you erase it? I would appreciate it if you didn't do that. Once you put something on my talk page, leave it there, and if you think you've made a mistake, explain your actions. -- Boris Malagurski  ₪  07:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason is that initially, it looked like vandalism -- you were editing his user page apparently to add something. Then I saw that it was on the last version that he himself edited, and you appeared to be restoring something that someone else removed.  --Nlu (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't sound like an apology to me. Try harder. -- Boris Malagurski  ₪  07:09, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not an apology. While that warning might not have been itself appropriate, your conduct has been undeserving of an apology.  I don't condone Croatian historian's behavior -- and that's why I blocked him 48 hours for personal attacks, but your use of language isn't much better.  --Nlu (talk) 07:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

But still, you have to admit that you reverted my edits the moment you saw my name. You must've been 100% sure that it was vandalism... Probably didn't even see what I edited. I was trying to help, and you wanted to block me. Doesn't that make you feel bad even a little? -- Boris Malagurski  ₪  07:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Editing another person's user page is rarely a good thing, and I did check what the diff was.  --Nlu (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing another person's user page is rarely a good thing. But, you edited a user page as well. AND you vandalized it, by reverting my good edit. I did the right thing, while you were just so busy with making me look bad... Oh, Nlu, be nice... -- Boris Malagurski  ₪  07:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC) No response? Why are you walking out on a conversation? Have no more arguments? -- Boris Malagurski  ₪  07:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not worth responding to. --Nlu (talk) 07:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

PoolGuy socks
Hi, you might want to keep an eye on, another apparent PoolGuy sock. Angr (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

User:62.25.109.194
Just a quick note to say thanks for the quick intervention on the guy editing Scandinavian towns; I'm one of a few editors who are keeping an eye on him given his past record, but I wasn't looking forward to doing another fifty without a mop! I'll leave another message on his talk page regarding sources and hope for a response. Thanks again! Aquilina 17:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for your diligence.  --Nlu (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Brent Corrigan
If you want to play friendly with the hit-and-run throwaway accounts and IPs that repeatedly hit this article (removing the name, blanking sections, etc) and not just block them, please put the article in your watch list so that more editors watch for the problems. SchmuckyTheCat 18:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't appreciate this attitude. Without a further explanation, there's no justification to block, and WP:AIV isn't the appropriate place to put the report anyway.  --Nlu (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no attitude about it, this article is under attack by trolls and there isn't any reason the project should suffer for courtesy to them. If you don't want to take action on it, then ignore it and let another admin do the right thing. SchmuckyTheCat 18:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)