User talk:Nlu/archive39

Wikipedia:WikiProject Three Kingdoms
... is under construction at User:Ling.Nut/WP3K and there is discussion at User talk:Ling.Nut/WP3K. There is much work needed in the area of listing categories (see the Talk page), and I hear you are the expert in Three Kingdoms cats... if you would like to join/help, the nascent WikiProject would be greatly enhanced.... Ling.Nut 12:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it be Wikiproject Three Kingdoms of China? It could be confusing to readers about the Three Kingdoms of Korea. Good friend100 12:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Could be. I don't have a strong opinion one way or another.  --Nlu (talk) 14:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm leaning on Three Kingdoms of China. Just "Three Kingdoms" is ambiguous. Good friend100 14:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * But the thing is, the ambiguity doesn't kick in unless there is also a plan for a WikiProject for the Three Kingdoms of Korea. For example, Category:Jin Dynasty refers to the dynasty that was from 265-420.  No ambiguity occurs until and unless someone is going to create a category for the other dynasties romanized as Jin.  --Nlu (talk) 14:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Somebody may wish to launch a WikiProject regarding Korean historical articles further down the line. It would be prudent to choose Three Kingdoms of China. Gamer Junkie 14:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a WP:KO Wikiproject Korea that covers this. Good friend100 02:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Anna Halman

 * Please discuss at Talk:Anna Halman why you want Anna Halman to be deleted. It has already been AfD'ed, and the result was loudly KEEP. Anthony Appleyard 16:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I had nothing to do with the deletion issue; I was removing a CSD tag that an anonymous user added. --Nlu (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

71.99.128.25 and Anna Halman and maybe other articles
I do not agree with addying the template to his page only. This user is from Florida, he uses dynamic IP adresses to vandalize several wikipedias (on cs. the range 71.99. was blocked). So take great care of all his edits. See also the history of my and Cinik's userpage/talkpage, to have a better image about it. Thanks a lot. --Aktron (t|c) 16:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * what kind of nonsence you talking here? "cs. the range 71.99. was blocked" really? I dont think so. You russian text does not bellong to english wiki. Keep it for your blog. Stop spaming and abusing this and other users, including me.

71.99.128.25

There is no Wikipedia policy against using another language on the talk page. It is generally discouraged, but not forbidden. --Nlu (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Please look at Talk:Anna Halman (history); there were at least 4 reverts from 71.99.128.25 user. I think this is very serious violation of 3RR. --Aktron (t|c) 16:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Then report it to WP:AN/3RR. This is not proper subject for WP:AIV.  --Nlu (talk) 16:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I understand. However, I thought that one user using multiple IP's is punished in same way, as it was/should be one IP/account. --Aktron (t|c) 16:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * When you make the report, you can note that in your report. --Nlu (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Cris newman
Thank you for dealing with User:Cris newman so promptly and efficiently. TerriersFan 16:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thank you.  --Nlu (talk) 16:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for reverting vandalism on my userpage. And sorry for not realising until now!--Diniz 16:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no problem. Thank you.  --Nlu (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User:207.74.25.66
Just so you know, this user, who I reported to you about 10 days ago for doing similar types of vandalism for day after day (and whom you subsequently blocked for 1 week), is back again, once again editing martial arts articles with WP:GAY type vandalism. The Evil Spartan 22:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessarily the same person, but as whoever it is today was warned today and continued vandalism, I blocked the IP for a month. Thanks for letting me know.  --Nlu (talk) 04:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Jing Province/Jingzhou
Hi Nlu,

Is the Jing Province of the Three Kingdoms era coterminous with the modern city of Jingzhou? Does the Chinese Wikipedia have anything to say about that? Many thanks!! Ling.Nut 00:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Jing Province of the Three Kingdoms era is not the same as the Jingzhou of today. During the Han Dynasty, Jing Province was roughly modern day Hubei and Hunan.  At the end of Eastern Han, Jing Province effectively became divided between Cao Wei and Eastern Wu.  Cao Wei's Jing Province was effectively the parts of Hubei north of the Yangtze River.  Eastern Wu's Jing Province was Hunan and the parts of Hubei south of the Yangtze.  Cao Wei's Jing Province had its capital at modern Xiangfan, I believe, while Eastern Wu's Jing Province had its capital at modern Ezhou.  --Nlu (talk) 01:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Battle of Red Cliffs needs to be changed accordingly, then... thanks! Oh, a follow-up question: do you think we need a reference for this info...? -- Ling.Nut 03:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, ideally, yes. My own source, however, is the Bo Yang edition of the Zizhi Tongjian, which is messy to cite because it's not online and is not in the public domain.  --Nlu (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you feed me all the necessary info, I can figure out how to cite it... or at least come up with a plausible fake ;-) Hey... I think or hope that Battle of Red Cliffs is now finished. I know that you said that the Three Kingdoms era isn't your forte, but if you could eyeball it closely some time to see if anything jumps out at you as needing to be changed/extended/deleted, then I would be deeply grateful. You may wanna read the shtuff on the Talk page too... Millions of thanks for all your help! --Ling.Nut 04:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks nice. If I have time tomorrow, I might try to dig up some references.  Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 05:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the Book of Later Han, vol. 112, might constitute a source, as it described the commanderies that made up Eastern Han's Jing Province. The Xiangfan City Web site contains a very brief summary of its history, which confirms that it was the capital of Jing Province during Eastern Han. This article on the Xiangfan City site is more complete, albeit much more POV.. The Ezhou City Website has a similar type of article. You think these might serve as sufficient sources? --Nlu (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * These websites are in the gray area between "definitely reliable" and "definitely unreliable." They might pass muster for a WP:GA-level article, but I wouldn't want to see them in an WP:FA. A cite from a scholarly book or article would be the gold standard, however, so that should be our goal. I've been looking through de Crespigny's GoS but haven't found much yet... Ling.Nut 18:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

the coords at the top of the page are very wrong.

 * Do you know anyone who's a Google maps wiz? I clicked the coords for Red Cliffs (in the top right hand corner of the article), and the Google map showed it to be not too far from Fankou &mdash; really far northeast of where it should be! Is it near Wuhan? Or farther SW? Either way, the coords at the top of the page are very wrong. Ling.Nut 01:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to deal with Google coordinates. Sorry.  --Nlu (talk) 02:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I figured it out.. never mind... sorry to bother you! Ling.Nut 03:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverting
I'm not sure if I am on the brink of breaking the 3RR rule per this edit. In the history, TingMing added the following sentence: "Also, many local residents have attempted to vandalize, destroy, or spit on the new name plate which prompted the 24 hour police presence." I removed it according to WP:BLP, which stresses that all contentious/derogatory materials, if un-/poorly sourced, must be removed on sight. Also, he had deleted a sentence that is backed up by a valid source without any reason, and I restored it. He reverted my changes, saying that the sentence was an "Unnecessary awkward long sentence- clean up" (which still does not justify the removal of the cited content), while restoring the contentious material back as well. In the diff link above, I reverted his restoring the derogatory content while attempted to copyedit the source-cited sentence. I expect that it might not last long since he would just revert it again (partly attributed to his stubborn stance for his POV), so I'm looking for an input from an uninvolved third person. Any thoughts? Vic 226說 06:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think both of you have decent points. Is it possible to keep TingMing's modification in but neutralize the language?  --Nlu (talk) 06:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He provided the link about the spitting here, but it's only "a veteran" instead of "many local residents" as he have claimed. I don't know how to include the information since only one person doing it is kinda too trivial to me.  Vic  226說 16:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Uploading image
Hi, I'm new to uploading images, and right now I am actually thinking of uploading this realistic portray from The National Museum of Mongolian History, what do you think? Would it be considered as copyrighted under PD-art tag? Eiorgiomugini 16:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't notice this until now -- I think the image would be copyrighted, and since University of Washington is not a federal institution, I think that they would in fact hold the copyright on this. One can argue that it's fair use, but I don't think one can argue it's not copyrighted.  --Nlu (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Goguryeo-China wars
There is a tag on this article and the editors who have put it there claim that the word "China" is POV because Goguryeo could be a Chinese kingdom. However I see no reason as to why it would be POV and the article has been fairly stable before they put the tag. Am I allowed to take the tag off, or am I violating Wikipedia policy? Or are they violating Wikipedia policy? Thanks for helping. Good friend100 20:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is arguable whether it is POV or not -- and with that being the case, I think you have to judge whether there has been a sufficient discussion on the subject. --Nlu (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

sockpuppets
Is there any way to check the IP addresses of users? I am highly suspicious that user:Naus and user:JakeLM are sockpuppets of an editor. Their user contributions show that they may be a single purpose account and are also provoking edit warring.

Please note that I am not commenting about them being sockpuppets simply because they are an opposing party. I am just sick of the argument, edit wars, and their rudeness to other editors. Good friend100 01:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a way to check it -- somewhat -- as users may bounce from IP to IP depending on ISP setup. See WP:RCU for more information.  --Nlu (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation
This message delivered: 08:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC).

A question
This goes back to the Afd proposal for the duplicate character pages related to List of characters in Ed, Edd n Eddy. The Prince of Darkness was a big proponent of those pages, which were subsequently merged and no longer exist. He had created a template that linked to them and put it at the bottom of the official page. Now that those pages are gone, he still insists on having the template, now linking to established related pages. Myself and another editor felt that it was redundant, since it merely duplicates embedded links that are already in the article. So, I deleted it, he restored it, and he seems perfectly willing to make this into an edit war. I don't want an edit war, since this article has had enough of that sort of thing. I was unable to find any published guidelines about redundant links or templates, so I am asking your opinion. If his template remains, should the other links be deleted? Why should a reader have to scroll all the way to the bottom of thre page to find links? This seems to be his pet project, and he is very stubborn about it. In closing, he never does any editing of these pages except for the template, and has demonstrated the attitude that he will simply have his way, or else. This is why I want input before continuing the matter. Thanks! -- Elaich   talk 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest that you go through a TfD on this. --Nlu (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Aidez
The person from the following IP Address, 70.19.148.99, keeps on vandalizing my page. I tried to stop this person, but this is already his 10th time vandalizing. It would be nice if you can block this user from editing temporarily. Please. Thank you. Amphitere 22:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like the person stopped after you warned him/her. What I can do, if you wish, is that I can semi-protect your user page.  Do you want me to do that?  --Nlu (talk) 02:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Archiving Goguryeo talk page
Nlu, sorry for asking, but can you please archive the Goguryeo talk page? I'd like to do it myself but I don't know the means. I'm about to present some materials and the page is already too long. Cydevil38 16:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. --Nlu (talk) 16:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

template:History of Manchuria
Sorry to bother you again, but Assault11's persistance of changing the name of the template really sickens me. I'm thinking about doing a RfC on the template, but after reading the RfC page, it seems it's not to be taken "lightly" or with "haste". So I'd like to ask you if it would be appropriate to file for a RfC on that page. Cydevil38 04:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think a RFC is appropriate. --Nlu (talk) 04:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I mean a content RfC, not a personal conduct one. --Nlu (talk) 05:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the RfC process so, I'm not sure what I've done. This is where I've put it. Anyways, thank you for the advice. Cydevil38 05:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It should be on top of the list, and you should add a timestamp . --Nlu (talk) 05:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Empress Wang Zhengjun
Added comment on tone to Talk:Empress Wang Zhengjun.

I've also been carpet-bombing Han Empresses with reference request tags (while providing Bio assessments). I imagine most have similar reference sources, and it is an important objective aspect of an article to have refs. Many of those articles struggle with the same issue of tone-- sounding business-like for an English language encyclopedia-- but I don't think it would be fair to tag all of them with "inappropriate tone" (which is more subjective) before Wang Zhengjun gets resolved. -- Yamara 23:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me. I've been awfully busy in real life the last few days.  I'm hoping that I'll get the chance to add some references, soon, however.  --Nlu (talk) 01:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)