User talk:Nlu/archive5

Adminship
Congratulations, you are now an administrator! If you haven't already, now is the time to the Administrators' how-to guide and Administrators' reading list. All the best, Warofdreams talk 01:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Are you going to be my mentor, or is that yet to be assigned?  --Nlu 01:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, there isn't any official mentoring system (but if I've missed one being set up, please let me know). I'm very happy to answer any questions you may have.  The Administrators' noticeboard is also a good place to start if you're looking for help or guidance.  Just remember, be bold, ensure you can justify your actions, and if in doubt, ask! Warofdreams talk 01:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations from the land of winter. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It's only beginning to feel like winter now for us in California.  :-)  --Nlu 03:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from ... um... California! You'll be a superb addition too the admin caba team. :-) Antandrus  (talk) 03:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Cabal? What's that?  Is that something that George W. Bush wants to wipe out?  If so, sign me up.  --Nlu 03:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) --Ixfd64 04:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Great Job! Just save some vandals for me will ya :-D Knowledge Of Self  |  talk. 04:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, can't promise that -- would you be happy with some Goths or Anglo-Saxons? ;-)  --Nlu 05:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome
Congratulations from the east. Sure you will do a good job and now it will be easier. Thanks-- Dak ota     t     e   05:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
... on your adminship! Thanks for your note. I'm sure you'll do well. And I'm unsure if you're still interested, but the prior RfC I notified you of has concluded with a consensus ... but not with unanimity. Ah well!

I look forward to working with you, as well; let me know if you need assistance. Enjoy! E Pluribus Anthony 05:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating me. But I still want to terminate the other Terminator.  :-)  --Nlu 05:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't help you there, but perhaps you'll awaken one day to realise he's just a(n overly) hormonal automaton like many of us ... present company excluded. :) E Pluribus Anthony 08:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian 07:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I'll add here as well, congratulations I've absolutely no doubt you'll make a fine admin so the vote was an easy one --pgk( talk ) 08:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Knew you'd make it.....
Knew that you'd make it, considering how you handled the HTML Tidy Bug. Any Ranks higher than Admin. ?Martial Law 08:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There are, but I don't really understand them yet... One step at a time.  :-)  --Nlu 11:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

By the way, you're welcome.Martial Law 03:02, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Evan Lee Dahl
The Evan Lee Dahl article was deleted yesterday, and has been re-created at least twice since then (I've marked two re-postings for Speedy Deletion). - Dalbury 11:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's part of the reason why I speedy deleted it.  --Nlu 11:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome and congrats
I'm sure you will do a lot of good for Wiki as an admin. Cheers. PJM 12:54, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ditto. :)  Wikibofh 14:34, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Congrats, it's been great working with you to throw the book at vandals. I look forward to working with you again in the future. -Loren 02:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome and Congratulations
Thank you for your kind words of welcome, and congratulations on your shiney new adminship! Theasus 21:34, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Nlu 21:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

What does the Admin's Edit page look like ?
What does the admin.'s Edit page look like ?Martial Law 03:11, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * To the right of "history," there's "protect" and "delete" before you get to "move" and "unwatch." Otherwise it looks fairly similar.  In histories and watch lists, there are also "rollback" buttons to roll back to the last edit made before the current editor.  On user pages, there is a link to block the user.  --Nlu 06:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Request for arbitration
Congratulations on your adminship. I'd be grateful please for your advice on making a request for arbitration re List of Jewish jurists. - RachelBrown 12:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you explain the situation a little bit? I know that there was a dispute, but not much about how it came about and how the current situation is.  --Nlu 15:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll e-mail. - RachelBrown 21:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations on your adminship! Jayjg (talk) 20:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

User:71...'s year edits

 * Your reversions of his edits was not correct. Each date should be wikified. See: Timeline standards, WikiProject Years. There may be some confusion here because the standards were recently clarified (See: WikiProject Years/August 2005 survey results).I'll be reverting the edits and I've suggested to User:71 that he get a username and use an edit summary. - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 23:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
 * All right. Thanks.  --Nlu 00:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Collateral damage of Splashisgone
''I am sorry that you became the collateral damage of my block of Splashisgone. Please see if you can edit now. If there is a problem, please let me know by e-mail again (or here, if you prefer). --Nlu 00:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)''
 * Hey, no worries. Thanks for unblocking me. I put a tag on the 64.59.144.21 talk page as well.  Oh, and congratulations on your adminship! Cheers. --Bookandcoffee(Leave msg.) 01:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Talk Page
Thanks for reverting my talk page. I would rather however that stuff like that was left there so that it provides a record of vandalism. Thnaks CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:47, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

68.208.188.254
You had given this user a final warning; he vandalized again. Thought you'd want to know. KHM03 14:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi Nlu, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. The spelling of my name is pretty common in the UK, though I had lots of problems with it when I was living in the USA. --GraemeL (talk) 15:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I know. I was just teasing you, in our typical Neantherthalic American way. :-)  Congratulations!  --Nlu 16:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

List of Jewish jurists
You wrote (at RfM):
 * I am late on the scene, and I don't understand all the intricacies involving this article and a former "competing" article (List of Jewish lawyers) that is now awaiting merger and currently at List of Jewish jurists/temp. However, it appears to be escalating (the edit summaries are getting nasty), and I think someone needs to step in. The parties are RachelBrown and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (and, to a much lesser extent, Poetlister). One of the parties asked me by e-mail to intervene, but I am not sure that I have the skills to at the moment, so I am making this RfM. I've posted notice of my request for mediation on all of their talk pages. --Nlu 16:35, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Here is the sequence of events:


 * 1) An existing page, List of Jews in law was placed on AfD
 * 2) Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (LotLE), and also RachelBrown and Poetlister, voted "keep" on the AfD
 * 3) While AfD voting was underway, LotLE decided to be bold and move List of Jews in law to the name more consisten with WP naming standards, List of Jewish jurists.  No one has ever complained about this name change, AFAIK.
 * 4) LotLE also copied the AfD votes on the prior name over to the current name and redirected the original AfD to the new name.  All the votes on AfD were preserved.
 * 5) LotLE created the analogous article List of African American jurists, and started to populate it with annotated names.
 * 6) LotLE began editing List of Jewish jurists.  In most cases, these edits consisted of commenting out names of individuals whose WP articles and obvious linked bios either did not say they are/were Jewish, or did not say they were jurists.  In fewer cases, names were left and supporting external links were provided to verify the list inclusion.
 * 7) RachelBrown complained of the removal of names from the list.  She claimed that she knew some individuals to be Jewish by "personal acquaintaince" (and equated their removal with endorsing the famous racist text Protocols of the Elders of Zion).  LotLE stated on the talk page that included names should meet WP:V standards, and the ethnic/religious background of listed individuals should be consensus on the corresponding WP pages and/or cited in linked external references.
 * 8) Poetlister vandalized List of African American jurists by removing the name of Johnnie Cochran with the spurious edit history claim that Cochran was not evidenced as African American (despite such evidence on his WP article).
 * 9) RachelBrown and Poetlister changed their "keep" votes on the AfD for List of Jewish jurists to "delete", stating that they wanted the article kept, but didn't like LotLEs edits there.  While they have every right to vote on AfD in whatever manner they wish, it seems suspiciously close to WP:POINT to vote on an editor rather than on an article.
 * 10) RachelBrown created List of Jewish lawyers as an exact copy of an earlier version of List of Jewish jurists.  Some uninvolved editor nominated that new one for AfD, changed to speedy delete; some other uninvolved editor moved it to List of Jewish jurists/temp.

Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating me. Again, I am not a mediator nor do I have the skills (yet, hopefully I will develop them later) to mediate, and that's why I referred it to RfM.  I do not mean to cast any negative light on you or your edits.  --Nlu 18:26, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I took no aspersion from your polite notes. Btw. as you've probably seen, I copied this sequence over to Talk:List of Jewish jurists.  I didn't think it was good manners to link uninvolved people over to your talk page... actually, I probably should have just written it there first, and given you a pointer.  If you prefer to edit your talk page to do that, I'm fine with that. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 18:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
I'm just trying to get a hang of all this. It's quite complicated for a newish user. ..like how I always forget to sign my messages --JHMM13 06:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. :-)  Welcome.  --Nlu 06:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Poor user 24.27.65.22
Nlu, I think your undefined and undefined warnings on 24.27.65.22's page are unwarranted. I reverted all of those changes after I warned him for the Michael Jordan edit, but if you check the timestamps my warning was the same time as the Paul whatever edit.

Ergo, he couldn't have reacted to the warning by the time of the changes you are warning him about. :) --Syrthiss 21:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I personally have a policy to put multiple warnings for multiple vandalisms (unless undefined or equivalent thereof has already been posted) to let whoever goes after to see that this user committed multiple vandalisms, not just a single instance. I can see your point, but I respectfully disagree with it.  --Nlu 21:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Your view on it does seem to fall on the side of biting the newbies, but you are the admin and I am not. --Syrthiss 21:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. :-)  Well, again, I can see your point, but I respectfully disagree because there's nothing in WP:BITE about not going after intentional misconduct (other than to do it with some courtesy, which I think the standard templates already do), and in that case, it's clearly intentional misconduct.  WP:BITE mostly governs not going after newbies for making genuine mistakes, which these are not.  --Nlu 21:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Heheh. Ok, we will just have to disagree. (not to say I dont see your side as well) :) --Syrthiss 21:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA. I'll heed your advice and keep my sometimes boisterous wordplay in check. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you!--MONGO 08:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Emperor naming conventions
Since you've been doing an awful lot of work on the emperor bios, you might want to take note of the discussion here that took place a while ago. --Jiang 10:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I've just read that discussion and added my own comment.  --Nlu 10:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Wu State/ Eastern Wu
Thanks for the comment on the story of exiles to Japan belonging to the earlier Wu State. The photograph however belongs to the later, Eastern, Wu I think: in the Shanghai Museum, it is labelled "Jar with modeled figurines, Kingdom of Wu, 222-280 CE". Best regards PHG 10:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Right; I realized that after I reverted, so I re-reverted back and left the photograph in. --Nlu 10:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Replied
Just wanted to let you know, I replied to your message on my talk page. Not sure what the covention for who's page to reply to where is around here, I've seen it both ways ;] Have fun ;] -=> Vile Rage  ( Reply  |   C  |  Spam Me!   *   ) 14:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Bosnian singers
I created this category for the article on Silvana Armenulić. Soon afterwards, Dijxtra moved the article to another category, covering Herzegovine singers as well. (S)he also marked the Bosnian singers category for speedy deletion. I have no objection to this, if that's what's holding up the process.Bjones 05:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * All right. Thanks for letting me know.  I'll go ahead and delete the category.  (The reason why I asked is that we're not, by custom, supposed to delete empty categories until they're three days old -- which this is now -- but I still want to make sure.)  --Nlu 06:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
I responded to your comment in my talk page. I am offended that you are accusing me of vandalism. 203.122.225.241 09:28, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again
Ah, they weren't abusing me...just pointing out their concerns I guess. I love mangos, but they are soooo expensive here in the middle of the U.S. so I'll now at least enjoy the view! Thanks again and see you on RC patrol.--MONGO 09:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of your admin role

 * Sorry, your comments on my user talk page are a totally inappropriate use of your admin role, Nlu. Jiang's accusations are bogus, which you'd actually see if you looked into it (e.g., he's counting reverts to other articles outside of the issue he and I were squabbling over!), and I consider them vandalism to my user page; as such, I will handle them as I see fit, notwithstanding your ban threats. I recognize (from your talk page entries, and from the common interests the two of you share) that you and he are friends, and I believe that you need to recuse yourself from this discussion, rather than "pile on" with more threats. PKtm 04:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Special note for users Jiang and Nlu
I will continue, methodically and diligently, to remove vandalism and/or personal threats from my user talk page when those occur. Threatening me, or bizarrely lumping me in with vandals when I myself remove vandalism from my own talk page, is completely out of the spirit of Wikipedia. When I've repeatedly ask an individual to stop vandalizing my talk page, and he persists, that's justification enough. You can call it bad form, but I'll live with that.

If you want to "pile on", exercise some kind of "good old Wikipedia boy" influence, and get me blocked in your zealotry here, so be it; I won't exactly lose sleep over it, and will consider it an egregious example of the explicitly prohibited "use of blocks to gain advantage in a content dispute". I'd also point out the following (especially note #2 below):

Vandalism states:

Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change to content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia (such as swearing, deleting letters to make inappropriate words, etc.)

That establishes three criteria that must be met for an act to be considered vandalism:

1. The act must be performed intentionally 2. The act must cause harm to the encyclopedia proper (as opposed to the community SURROUNDING the encyclopedia) 3. The act must be performed with malicious intent

Sorry, nothing I've done (and I'm massively offended by the suggestion I've done otherwise!) fills criteria 2 or 3, and you're well aware of that. PKtm 05:02, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Shtickless
Your first week on the job, gotta take a hard line, look like a big man, I know how that is, broseph. And your dedication is admirable. I'm sure you'll make a fine administrator down the line. You just need a little practice distinguishing between the "good" and the "not so good." For example, poison the substance is a "not so good" thing, while Poison the band is a "very good" thing. Similarly, Shtickless is a "good" thing, while deleting Shtickless is a "not good" thing. Keep your head up, though, you screwed up this time, but you'll learn from your mistakes and get better. I know this guy who's big with webcams...he made some stupid mistakes early on, but now he's great with getting anything he wants all over the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.43.244 (talk • contribs)
 * Went ahead and signed that for ya buddy ;] -- Vile Rage  ( Reply  |   C  |  Spam Me!   *   ) 08:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping back from your threat

 * You can see the entire discussion yourself, at WP:AN. But any suggestion that Jiang has asked me to step in is ridiculous.  As it stands, the consensus is: you can edit your own talk page as you want to, but it is still viewed as a breach of etiquette.  As it stands, I am going to be washing my hands free from this (after all, I am not involved in The Stanford Axe dispute).  If you want to continue to behave in this way, though, that's your perogative.  --Nlu 05:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, thought so. I appreciate the link to the discussion.  Thanks for having the sense and grace to recognize your error and to now step out of this matter. I will be deleting this thread (since it was initiated by vandalism and threats) from my user talk page. I'll live with the bad karma. -- PKtm 06:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Emperor Wu
I've put Emperor Wu of Han up for peer review at Peer review/Emperor Wu of Han/archive1 because I think it's almost ready for a fac. There is a comment regarding the lack references. Can you add your references to the article since you're the primary contributor? Thanks, --Jiang 14:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Will do.  --Nlu 17:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I'd just like to thank you for helping to clean up the vandalism on my user page. Geez.Bjones 15:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. My pleasure.  --Nlu 17:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)