User talk:Nlu/archive69

Chinese Educators
To return to our earlier discussion, "Hot Cat," I continue to admire your energy and your record of accomplishments -- there may be need for your help in anti-vandalism at Zuo Zongtang where an editor is stretching the doctrine of "Assume Good Faith." Still, now that I see the results of removing the Category "Chinese Educators" from so many articles and replacing it with Educators By Province, I must confess that I don't see the usefulness of the new category. If for instance, a reader goes to, say, Tao Xingzhi, and wants to find who his contemporaries were, rather than who from the Ming dynasty came from what is now called Anhui, then it would be far more useful to have replaced with the category "Chinese Educators 1911-1949" or some such. Is there now any way to locate who was in the "Chinese Educators" category? But again, much props for your work. ch (talk) 02:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand your opinion and I must say, I had reservations about it myself — but at that time, I felt that that particular tree was so disorganized and overpopulated that it needed subcategorization work. Provincial origin appeared to be the way to require the least subjectivity and serves some function.  Division by province is also consistent with similar organizational schemes for Americans, for example, by state (and then by city, when the state category gets too big).
 * If you think it is useful, I can (when I have time) add an era categorization as well, basically, by "dynasty" (even though the ROC and PRC are not really dynasties). Your thoughts about that?  (The reason I didn't do it is because the modern concept and implementation of "education" is significantly different than the concept of education back in the older times in Chinese history, and therefore anyone we classify as an "educator" is almost always going to be someone who is modern, either ROC or PRC, which means that it's a two-way split that was going to make the category not particularly any more organized than it was.  Still, your opinion would be welcome.)  --Nlu (talk) 03:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Taishanese people
Hey Nlu, thanks much for offering to help split the category, I've finally closed the discussion (sorry it took so long). If you're still interested in helping split it, it's listed here here. If you get sick of it you can of course leave it and it will eventually get dealt with. (I've been splitting Category:Jews in Ottoman and British Palestine--it's kind of insanely boring but kind of weirdly fun.) Peace,  delldot   &nabla;.  01:09, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks for letting me know.  --Nlu (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. --Nlu (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You rule!  delldot   &nabla;.  05:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 06:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikify has been deprecated
Hi Nlu! Just a friendly note that Wikify has been deprecated in favor of more specific templates. Therefore, I removed Wikify from Yang Yang (musician, orchestra conductor). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:Scientists from ...
Please stop adding "Category:Scientists from ..." to people who are not scientists but who are linguists, historians and social scientists. Also removing "Category:Linguists from China" from articles about linguists from China is not helpful. BabelStone (talk) 09:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * On the latter point, Category:Grammarians from China and Category:Chinese lexicographers are subcategories of Category:Linguists from China; therefore, someone in one of those two subcategories are in Category:Linguists from China already under the principle that a person should not be in a supercategory and a subcategory simultaneously, in general. Please see WP:CAT.
 * As for whether they should be in the Scientists category, I think that should be part of a broader discussion, not with me but with the community at large. As it stands, linguists are in the scientists tree (through the social scientists tree).  If you disagree (and I do think you have a good point), the discussion should be taken up on whether social scientists in general should be taken out of the scientists tree.  (I'm not talking about just Chinese social scientists; the Category:Social scientists tree as well as its subcategories are, through English Wikipedia, part of the Category:Scientists tree.)  I should also note that I am not the person who put the Linguists from China category (before its renaming from "Chinese linguists") into the Category:Chinese scientists tree as a subcategory.
 * (As an aside, I think that among the social sciences, linguists are among the most arguable "scientists" because they generally (these days, at least) involve themselves more with mathematics, genetics, and archaeology. Certainly I consider it more than a science than computer science (as a computer science major myself in college).  Again, I see your point and it may very well be a very valid one — I admit that it would not immediately come to my mind to think of linguistics as a science — but it belongs in a broader discussion on whether social scientists are scientists.  The consensus on Wikipedia appears to be that they are.)  --Nlu (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Some linguists who study the physical mechanisms of speech production, etc. may be considered scientists, but all the Chinese linguists who you recategorised as scientists are or were old-fashioned scholars of language and literature, and in no way should be considered as scientists. I have looked at some random non-Chinese linguist articles and none of them are categorised as scientists, so I dispute your assertion that there is any consensus that linguists are scientists. BabelStone (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently, Category:Linguists is under Category:Social scientists, which is, again, under Category:Scientists. I do not necessarily disagree with you that the categorization may not be correct, but I think there should be a broader discussion, because that categorization certainly applies throughout Wikipedia.  --Nlu (talk) 18:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree there should be discussion of whether it is appropriate for Category:Social scientists to be put under Category:Scientists, but even if there is consensus that this is correct that does not mean that it is correct to classify individual linguists as scientists. BabelStone (talk) 20:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you want to open a discussion? --Nlu (talk) 21:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Armbrust The Homunculus 03:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit notice (help needed)
Hello Nlu, it has been a long time since we last contacted each other. Well, I guess you're probably aware that many Three Kingdoms-related articles have been facing these problems caused by misinformed users: mixing up fact with fiction; addition of unreliable birth and death dates taken from games such as Dynasty Warriors etc. Anyway, long story short, Deadkid dk and I have thought of adding edit notices (see User talk:Deadkid dk) on the Three Kingdoms characters articles to reduce the trouble of having to revert non-constructive edits all the time. However, we cannot create edit notices for articles in the mainspace, so is it possible for you to help us? LDS contact me 14:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC) See here for a draft of the edit notice we've come up with. Thanks. LDS contact me 14:57, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help. I must say that I've never done an edit notice, and WP:EDN was not particularly illuminating to me as to whether they could be created en masse based on category (e.g., automatically put on any article that is within Category:People of the Three Kingdoms).  Assuming that it is not, can you folks go ahead and finalize the coding of the standard edit notice, and then give me a list of articles to put it on?  (And if you can figure out a way to do so automatically by category, that'd be even better. :-))  --Nlu (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (Or, I guess, a list may not be necessary; I can just go down the list by going down the category tree.) --Nlu (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've asked at WT:EDN, by the way, and let's see if we can get an affirmative answer one way or another. --Nlu (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The response I got is that it does have to be manually transcluded. With that being the case, please finalize the wording and then let me know.  I'll make a template, which I'll then (slowly) manually transclude.  --Nlu (talk) 19:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your help. The last draft we have is here. Let's wait for Deadkid dk's response first. If he's ok with it, then we'll proceed.   LDS  contact me 05:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Pray proceed. _dk (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Placed onto Three Kingdoms (Three Kingdoms notice). Please see how it looks. Please feel free to continue editing if language needs refining (if you are allowed to; I don't know if non-editors are allowed to edit the edit notice template). I'll start adding it to other articles as well. --Nlu (talk) 15:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What I may also need you gentlemen's help on is to let me know when you become aware of new Three Kingdoms-related articles, so that I can add them then. --Nlu (talk) 15:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help. One suggestion, I feel that the notice will capture more attention if it has a colour background instead of a plain white one. Some editors might just ignore the notice, but if there is a colour contrast, it'll stand out more. Yes, we'll notify you if there are any new Three Kingdoms articles.   LDS  contact me 17:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Any suggestions on what color and how to code it properly? --Nlu (talk) 03:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yellow? I'm not so sure about the coding and technical details.   LDS  contact me 04:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As it turns out, I can't find a proper color parameter in Editnotice. For now I am leaving it white unless I found out how else to play with it. --Nlu (talk) 05:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Request translation
Translation of the Chinese TV series zh:白蛇后传 to create English article Tale of The Oriental Serpent. Please?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 21:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may think about it -- to be honest, fiction, particularly television fiction, has never really been my passion as far as writing about it is concerned. If I decide to do it, it make take a week before I can get to it.  But again, let me think about it.  --Nlu (talk) 23:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Edit notices needed
Hi, I just created a Qin Yilu article, so you might want to add the edit notice to the page. I also spotted Chronicles of Huayang, another Three Kingdoms-related article that doesn't have the edit notice. Thanks. LDS contact me 15:32, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, and a happy Chinese New Year to you! LDS contact me 16:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Happy New Year!  --Nlu (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Zhang Chunhua also doesn't have the edit notice. Sorry to bother you again.   LDS  contact me 16:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Got it. Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 16:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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