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Xu Ji
Xu Ji had a biography in History of the Five Dynasties vol. 71. So his article on enWiki could somehow be implemented.——Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 03:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, didn't realize it. When I get a chance I'll take a look.  Thanks for letting me know.  --Nlu (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Not at all.——Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Name of Yuzhi Wuti Qing Wenjian
Hi Nlu, Rajmaan! I am wondering whether the name of this article is well chosen after all. As the two of you were the main people responsible for the creation of this article, I would appreciate your input. I would also appreciate expanations of two passages (mentioned on talkpage) by Nlu and if Rajmaan could deorphantize the article, which s/he is probably much better able to do than the two others of us. Best, G Purevdorj (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am open to renaming. As I explained on the talk page, I translated the article from Chinese at Rajmaan's request, but I have no specific expertise in the area.  --Nlu (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

乙弗浑、步六孤麗
这种四不像原来是你发明的？第一步六孤麗根本不见于任何史书的记载，你这样改名纯属原创研究，乙弗浑有使用，却根本不常用. 第二，鲜卑人的姓名都是多音节字，比如乙浑的名字见于魏文成帝《南巡碑》，是步□□（后面两个字风化了）. 陆丽儿子陆睿的鲜卑完整姓名见《于南齐书》，叫做伏鹿孤贺鹿浑，这与《魏书》中他传记中岳父崔鉴所说“平原王才度不恶，但恨其姓名殊为重复”完全吻合，凭什么能确认陆丽的鲜卑名字是单个汉字？据学者考证，文成帝《南巡碑》里陆丽的鲜卑名字可能是伊□（后面这个字风化了），你又怎么说？你这样想要从汉化之后的姓名逆推，却只把汉姓改成鲜卑姓，又留着汉名，说是四不像一点不错. ——117.44.173.253 (talk) 08:31, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * (I am going to write my response in English. You have every right to comment in Chinese, which I can read, of course, but this comment's having been made on English Wikipedia, I do think that I'd write in English to allow more people reading it to be able to understand, and in any case, while Chinese (traditional) was my first language, I am better at writing in English than Chinese.)
 * Please use respectful language. The use of "四不像" is inappropriate.  I appreciate constructive criticism.  I do not appreciate what comes close to, if it is not actual, personal attack.
 * I did not "invent" this, nor was it original research. I was following Bo Yang's lead on this - and while you may not agree with Bo (for possibly good reasons), he is an established source.  Bo believed that the name used should be as close to the name that would have been used by the person himself/herself - a point which I agree with but which is certainly open to discussion and honest disagreement - and which leads to the next point -
 * And, in a related manner, when I write, I have to use best sources that are available to me - which means that I am heavily reliant on pretty much Bo's interpretations of the Zizhi Tongjian, as well as the texts of the Zizhi Tongjian (which uses the post-name change names, of course) and the Book of Wei (the name change conversion table) themselves, which, as you point out, may end up with names that actually weren't the original, because, as I say again, I'm using best sources available to me. (This would certainly be, say, similar to the situation where, according to the Zizhi Tongjian, Hou Jing believed that his father's name was Hou Biao.  There, he himself was not necessarily an 100% reliable source, even, but the name of Hou Biao can/should be used if that is the best source that we have; it certainly would not be impossible that archaeological or other older texts, when found, may give a different name, and, if reliable, can and should be reflected in the article with proper citation.)  If you have access to better sources - archaeological finds (which I don't have access to, or at least didn't, at the time that I wrote), given that Wikipedia is a cooperative project, you can certainly incorporate the archaeological findings into the articles yourself and cite the sources.  (Of course, I was not very good at when initially writing was citing sources; this is something that my writing style has evolved over time about.)  That certainly would be a more appropriate way to go about it than to simply post an inappropriately-worded critique without doing anything to improve the article.  --Nlu (talk) 10:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Li Shaohong
My mistake. Didn't realize Ma Shaohong was also called Li Shaohong. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 00:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 00:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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good point
thanks for your edit - large category areas have been created recently regarding subjects about china with little interest in project tags on talk pages - maybe i should keep to that... satusuro 02:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

中國
Can you give an exact grammatical translation of this passage from the Yuan Shi, including the chapter number as a citation.

[http://www.xysa.net/a200/h350/23yuanshi/t-139.htm 俄有日本僧告其國遣人刺探國事者. 鐵木兒塔識曰：「刺探在敵國固有之，今六合一家，何以刺探為？設果有之，正可令睹中國之盛，歸告其主，使知向化. 」]


 * This is how I would translate it (note that name is pinyin transliteration, not transliteration from Mongolian):
 * Once, there was a Japanese monk who informed that his country had sent spies to spy on the matters of the state. Tiemuertashi said, "There would be spying between enemy states.  Now, the entire world is under one family.  What would spies be doing?  Even if spying were happening, the spies can in fact see how strong China is and return to tell their lord, so that he would know to follow us."

Also this from the Treaty of Nerchinsk, with citation formatted

[https://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hant/尼布楚條約_(漢文界碑) 一、將流入黑龍江之額爾古納河為界. 河之南岸、屬於中國. 河之北岸、屬於鄂羅斯. 其南岸之眉勒爾客河口、所有鄂羅斯房舍、遷移北岸. 」 ]


 * (Geographic terms might be inaccurate.)
 * The border will be at the Argun River, which flows into the Amur River. South of the River belongs to China.  North of the River belongs to Russia.  All of the Russian houses on the south bank at the mouth of the 眉勒爾客河 (Pinyin transliteration: Meileerke River, but I don't know what the proper rendering should be geographically) shall be moved to the north bank.

And this by the Qing Yongzheng Emperor with a formatted citation.

[https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/大義覺迷錄 《大義覺迷錄》：在逆賊等之意，徒謂本朝以滿洲之君，入為中國之主，妄生此疆彼界之私，遂故為訕謗詆譏之說耳. 不知本朝之為滿洲，猶中國之有籍貫. 舜為東夷之人，文王為西夷之人，曾何損於聖德乎？]]
 * As far as these treasonous bandits are concerned, they falsely believe that Our Dynasty originated as the ruler of Manchuria, but came to be the lord of China. They frivolously believe that there is separation between this territory and that boundary, and therefore spread defamations and sarcasm.  They do not realize that Our Dynasty being Manchu is just like jiguan for the Chinese.  Shun was of the Eastern Yi.  King Wen was of the Western Yi.  How did those facts manage to damage the holy virtues that they had?

I want to use them as quotes on the Sinocentrism and relevant articles.Rajmaan (talk) 02:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hopefully helpful. --Nlu (talk) 03:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Sock account keeps dogging article for years
There is a banned account that keeps returning with new socks for two years now at Prostitution in China. I put the case through Sockpuppet_investigations/Chinese-proti and I'm not asking you to block him since the person at SPI will do that anyway, but to permanently semi-protect the article. Because as you can see at Sockpuppet_investigations/Chinese-proti/Archive, he just keeps on opening up new accounts and apparently watches the article every single day over the past two years to make sure the content he added stays on. It was semi-protected once temporarily due to his constant socks but it expired so he was back to editing again. After his new round of sockpuppets gets blocked, he will just keep on coming back with more socks, he apparently doesn't care that he gets blocked since the usernames are so obvious (some of them using the exact same numbers at the end)Rajmaan (talk) 03:03, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  --Nlu (talk) 03:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I was actually mistaken, it isn't just two years. He has been doing this on several articles for five years, since 2009. He had an obvious agenda from the get go, his very first account Raducanandreea was dedicated to spamming content about Chinese prostitution on multiple articles, and all his other accounts follow the same agenda- trying to spam links about how Chinese prostitutes are everywhere, while trying to delete embarrasing content about Korean wopmen's prostitution and trying to claim foreign women are having sex with Korean men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Raducanandreea

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=121.165.130.100&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_South_Korea&offset=20100504123033&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_North_Korea&offset=20100125034935&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_South_Korea&offset=20120412175756&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_South_Korea&offset=20110820021236&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_North_Korea&offset=20100125034935&action=history

Can you semi-protect all these pages?

Rajmaan (talk) 03:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Done with regard to Prostitution in South Korea and Prostitution in North Korea. Any others you can see?  --Nlu (talk) 04:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * There aren't any more articles I see. But I have to figure out what to do with verifying the other content he added at [[Prostitution in South Korea. The sources are all in Korean and he has been known to distort what the sources say to fit his agenda, other users have questioned the sources before- .Rajmaan (talk) 04:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Per policy at Blocking_policy I removed his old edits until a third party User can verify the sources. Rajmaan (talk) 06:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * He also edited Prostitution in Taiwan a few years ago but hasn't touched it again.Rajmaan (talk) 00:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Liu Song
Can you check the history of Liu Song to see if they have a list of Emperor Wu of Liu Song's ancestors back to Liu Jiao 劉交? I want to make a family tree.Rajmaan (talk) 03:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I will check later, but if memory serves, it gave very little family history; even its description of Liu Yu's father Liu Qiao was very limited. --Nlu (talk) 03:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

As it turns out, I was wrong. The Book of Song, vol. 1 did give a (partially missing) alleged genealogy. I will relay it in a bit. --Nlu (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

As given there:
 * Liu Jiao, Prince Yuan of Chu
 * Liu Fu (劉富), the Marquess of Hongyi (or, potentially, Marques Yi of Hong, although it would be odd to be rendered this way)
 * Liu Pijiang (劉辟疆), the minister of imperial clan affairs
 * Liu De (劉德), Marquess Mou of Yangcheng
 * Liu Anmin (劉安民), Marquess Jie of Yangcheng
 * Liu Qingji (劉慶忌), Marquess Xi of Yangcheng
 * Liu Cen (劉岑), Marquess Su of Yangcheng
 * Liu Ping (劉平), the minister of imperial clan affairs
 * (name unknown), the magistrate of Dongwu (rendered as 東武城, making it unclear whether this was a county or not)
 * Liu Jing (劉景), the governor of Donglai Commandery
 * Liu Qia (劉洽), who passed the mingjing examinations
 * Liu Hong (劉弘), imperial scholar
 * Liu Kui (劉悝), the commander of the Langye Commandery militia
 * (name unknown), the governor of Dingxiang Commandery for Cao Wei (thus marking the end of Han here)
 * Liu Liang (劉亮), the magistrate of Yecheng
 * Liu Ying (劉膺), the governor of Beiping Commandery for Jin (thus marking the end of Cao Wei here)
 * Liu Xi (劉熈), a secretary to the prime minister (相國 - a rarely given title, suggesting that this might have been Sima Lun)
 * Liu Xusun (劉旭孫), the magistrate of Kaifeng
 * Liu Hun (劉混), who crossed the Yangtze River (i.e., escaping the Central Plains turmoil), who took up residence at Jingkou, who became magistrate of Wuyuan
 * Liu Jing (劉靖), the governor of Dong'an Commandery
 * Liu Qiao (劉翹), a police officer for the commandery
 * Liu Yu

--Nlu (talk) 15:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Taoyuan District
Okay, I consider that Taoyuan District in Taoyuan City is famous than Taoyuan District in Kaohsiung. Therefore, I agree this correctable moving from Taoyuan District, Taoyuan to Taoyuan District.This is  Jeffrey "Taiwania" Jhang  speaking (Let's talk) 09:29, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * All right. I will go ahead and move it, then.  Thanks for getting back to me.  --Nlu (talk) 10:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Something Rouge
Sorry about the delay, but I'm on vacation at the moment.

Yes, it's a true photo: it was a shop in Tokyo (in the basement of the OAZO Shopping Center, across from Tokyo Station) that sold, as I recall, strawberry cake.

- --Calton | Talk 22:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting back to me. Enjoy the vacation!  --Nlu (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)