User talk:Nmcke

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Hello, I'm having trouble figuring out how to create an account. Apparently I already have a username and a talk page but I am not able to log in because I don't remember my password and don't have an email associated with my username, so how can I can I create an account from this username/ change my password? Thanks 132.156.202.52 (talk) 14:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you can't. You can always create a new account. You could change your password only if you would an email associated with your username. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 15:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but would I somehow be able to merge the information from my account Nmcke into my new account? As in my talk/ user page? 132.156.202.52 (talk) 15:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If you meant just the information, then yes - you can just copy it. If you meant all the contributions, then I think not (You can write down in your new account userpage such info: Before YYYY-MM-DD I was editing under [such and such] username). -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 15:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Draft:Conifer evolution (May 30)
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Your draft articles
Your draft articles have two major problems - one structural and one stylistic. Consequently they are unlikely to pass articles for creation. However you have clearly done a lot of work in creating them, and it would be a shame to lose this.

The structural problem is that the content is material appropriate for several existing articles, and in some case is already present in WikiPedia. This is particularly noticeable for the Picea glauca taxonomy draft, which straddles the scope of the Pinopsida, Pinaceae, Picea and Picea glauca articles.

The stylistic problem is that it reads like an essay rather than an encylopaedia article. (I can't immediately pin down why this is so, but as two of your drafts have been rejected for this reason, by different persons, it would seem to be a common perception. It might be related to the structural issues.)


 * One of the rejections appears to have been spurious. A rogue editor rejected 100 articles for creation in 68 minutes. Lavateraguy (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

(There are smaller problems, such as the taxonomy article containing redundantly two paragraphs on albertina.)

Much of your material would be appropriately placed in Picea glauca, and if that article became unwieldably large split of into a subarticle (but with summaries left in the main article).

If you come over to WikiProject Plants I think that some of the participants would be willing to help you in incorporating what you have written into existing articles.

You might also like to consider whether you would prefer to publish it elsewhere. I think that with some editing it would be good enough for publishing in a journal, if you could find a journal covering the right level and subject.
 * Lavateraguy (talk) 12:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * We appreciate your thoughtful comments and suggestions and would like to follow them but will probably need some more guidance. Our original intention was to take a manuscript written by a late colleague, break it into manageable chunks and put it on Wikipedia with links to and from existing information about white spruce. I am quite certain that the information we have would be an asset to the site. Unfortunately we (my supervisor) were (was) naïve about the process. Aside from pieces you may have seen we have information on botany – crown form, phenology, seeds, seedling development, root system form, stem, vegetative reproduction, grafting, tree improvement; physiology – dormancy, light, temperature, photosynthesis, water, nutrition, phytohormones; constraints on establishment – environmental stress, fire, soil, mammals, birds, insects, fungi, competition; silviculture – management practices, natural regeneration, artificial regeneration, direct seeding, planting, site selection and preparation, tending, release, growth and yield and harvesting. Most of the information is about white spruce in Canada. Can you tell me (us) if there is a straightforward way to proceed? Thanks! Nmcke (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I saw your help request. If you are trying to message Lavateraguy directly, and it appears that you are, you can either click the "talk" link next to the user's name and post at the bottom of their talk page, or you can respond to the user by using the ping template, like this: which I've done on your behalf. You can also use  if that's easier to remember. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) The first issue to address is a legal one. Who holds the copyright in the manuscript? Wikipedia would want a statement that the material is released into the public domain or licensed under Creative Commons or an equivalent license, either from an authorised representative of the estate or the employer, depending on who holds the copyright.


 * 2) That addressed, the normal WikiPedia process would be that material is added to the Picea glauca article, and sections subsequently split off (with summaries left behind) when that article becomes unwieldly. It is not unreasonable for you to attempt to short circuit this sequence of events, but you should be modifying the main article in step with the creation of the subsidiary articles. (Possibly you could include this material in the AfC pages with a note indicating where it is intended to go.)


 * 3) One of the conflicts in WikiPedia is between deletionists, who hold the position that WikiPedia context should be restricted to (their concept of) what is appropriate to an encyclopedia, and inclusionists, who hold the position that WikiPedia is not restricted by the physical limitations of paper (or CD/DVD) encylopaedias and the more information the merrier. (I am a moderate inclusionist.) There is a possibility that some people will take that position that incorporating the equivalent of a review paper verging on monograph into WikiPedia is inappropriate. If you read WP:NOT you will get an idea of the philosophy behind the site.


 * 4) There may be a better home for the manuscript than WikiPedia. Within the WikiMedia empire there is WikiSource and WikiBooks. Google Knol might have fit (unless it had size limits), but that's now closed. However it points us at Annotum. Or you could self-publish through Lulu or the Amazon equivalent or another POD publisher. I also wonder why the manuscript is not being shepherded through to its original intended place of publication.


 * It may be worth discussing this outside WikiPedia. You can work out how to contact me from my user page. Lavateraguy (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, my supervisor and I were not able to figure out how to contact you from your user page however:


 * 1) the copyright holder of this manuscript is the (Canadian) Crown – it was written while the author was employed by the Canadian government. We can provide a statement about public domain if necessary. It is an unpublished manuscript, so not appropriate for library collections. The manuscript is not going through the publication process it was intended for because our management thought that it would cost too much (both time and money) to complete the process. Our hope was to put the content up in as intact a fashion as possible to allow other white spruce aficionados to make changes, add to, edit, etc., the content.


 * 2) If I understand what you are saying in the second point, we should edit the existing Picea glauca article, creating new sections when necessary. The new sections should be created in the Articles for consideration section; the edits to the existing page do not go through the same process.

Thanks Nmcke (talk) 12:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to read the above message I left for you yet? Thanks Nmcke (talk) 12:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Taxonomy has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Taxonomy. Thanks! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: White spruce (Picea glauca) Taxonomy (June 12)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Climate and White spruce (June 12)
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Your submission at AfC White spruce (Picea glauca) Phylogeny and Biosystematics was accepted
 White spruce (Picea glauca) Phylogeny and Biosystematics, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as B-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! JordanKyser22 Talk / Edits / Boxes / Subpages 00:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Plant geography (June 14)
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Draft:Conifer evolution concern
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Draft:Climate and White spruce concern
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Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Plant geography concern
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Your draft article, Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Plant geography


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Your draft article, Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Taxonomy


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Your draft article, Draft:Conifer evolution


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Draft:Conifer evolution concern
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Your draft article, Draft:Climate and White spruce


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Draft:Conifer evolution concern
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Your draft article, Draft:White spruce (Picea glauca) Phylogeny and Biosystematics


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