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Mill House and The Wharf, Sutton Courtenay
Not sure why EH is so mealy-mouthed. The alterations definitely were by Walter Cave. See Berkshire: Tyack, Bradley and Pevsner, pages 553-4. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fascinating group of buildings. I'll expand it this week. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

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List of buildings by William Burges
We're nearly there on this. Although I keep finding new church restorations. Then on to furniture and metalwork. But it'll be a drab list with few pictures. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 23:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your work is sensational! I'm surprised we still have a few missing articles on his buildings. Thank you. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Any idea why Burges appears under L, for List, in the Category, Lists of buildings and structures by architect, rather than B? More importantly, do you know how to correct it, as I can't edit a Category?  Another thing -checking back over Peter Vardy's lists, I see I've omitted any references.  I shall correct this weekend.  Many thanks for all your continued support in getting proper Wiki coverage for Mr B.  KJP1 (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've changed it Categories are always edited from their repsective pages, really. I'll try and write some objet d'art soon. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you help with the references? They should all be linking to Crook's 1981 WBTHVD, Appendix B, but I can't make it work.  I think it may be to do with the table.  My technical ability has again slipped badly in the year since we did Burges.  Many thanks.  KJP1 (talk) 09:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll do it this week :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 00:54, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've actually sort of made it work- but it's a bit of a bodge.  KJP1 (talk) 06:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Much better,many thanks. One more bulding to add and then we can do the furniture.  KJP1 (talk) 21:54, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Tower House
Hi Gareth. Further to Dr B's suggestion that we try to push this to GA, I've done some copy-editing, removed quite a lot of repetition - most of which was mine! - and beefed up the lead, so that it focuses more on the house and its importance. I don't think that I've lost anything in the process of doing so and hope that you're happy with the changes. What do you think about a bit of trimming of the Richard Harris period? I wonder if some of it shades into trivia? Tim R has said he'll do the GA review, so we're in very good shape there. I'd really like a plan of the house. I don't think Crook's got one, and it'd be copyright anyway. Can we include the Survey of London plans? I've a very small plan of the ground floor from The Building News of 1880, I wonder if I could scan and enlarge it. Anything else we should do before it goes to GA? Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Great work. I've trimmed Harris, but I so love the quirky La Rue nonsense. Plans are essential to understanding it, the description of the rooms can become dreamlike otherwise. The "house is not large..." quote is in comparison to what? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Have left a message on my talkpage for Dr B.
 * I like Dr B's re-ordering. You happy with how it's proceeding?  Now, I really think we need some maps.  The Survey of London material is great, especially the elevations.  Do you think we could use these?  KJP1 (talk) 07:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Dr. B - great re-ordering. Looks excellent.  Now hurry it on to Tim at GA before some copyright wallah queries my use of the Survey of London plans and elevations.  They add greatly to the article, but I'm sure they're not pukkah!  All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Nommed! |Review will begin Monday when KJP returns from the city of pornographers, I mean Prague :-] I've inquired into some interior photos too...♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC) Talk:The Tower House/GA1 review has begun!♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Gareth - have addressed Tim's set of preliminary GAR comments, hopefully to his satisfaction and to yours. Let me know how you want to handle the next batch(es).  I can deal with them, or I can pass them over to you, or we can do a double act.  I'm very conscious you did the major expansion of the article.  Just let me know.  Best regards.  KJP1 (talk) 23:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll happily do them in tandem with you, I can't thank you all enough for your work on the article. Tim's suggestions are very apposite, and I'll do my best. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Heaven's we're there already. Many congratulations.  We can do the FA in tandem.  All the best.  KJP1 (talk) 19:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, a minor sh*tstorm over at The Tower House.  But I think things will calm now.  Then back to what I understand to be the purpose of this place:  the creation and improvement of articles on issues, people. places, ideas etc.  which inform the people who read them.  All the very best.  KJP1 (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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I’d like to continue a bit more on this topic:

It is true that Bäckström did not get a medal physically around his neck, if that is what the intended in that last column.

But on the other hand, having won the semifinal match, he had de facto secured himself a medal, and he was stripped of it because of the failed doping test. Thus, there must exist a written document to this effect. Whether that counts as “having won a medal” is, of course, debatable, but in my opinion, the last column in that table should somehow reflect these facts; that the drugs test failure in this case was more significant that if someone from the Austrian or Norwegian team had failed a drugs test, which would not have amounted to much of anything, in terms of consequences, or at least the fate of the medals.

I personally believe that something should be said in the last column, but then again, I’m sure that other opinions exist, too, including yours. Apanuggpak (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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Sinatra
Thanks for the kind words BTW. I hadn't realized you'd opted to improve the Sinatra article for the Core Contest. I'd have helped you out on it. It would be good to try to get him up to GA although really it would be best to get a couple of books on him to ensure it's as good as it can be. If you want me to join you working on it gradually I'd be happy to, the guy had a tremendous aura about him. I was toying with the idea actually of working on Ava Gardner and getting books through the WMUK grant.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:29, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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I am sorry some of my notes on the Piers Morgan talk page were a bit jumbled! I couldn't quite understand your message to me on that talk page the other day, but I assume you meant that when posting comments/queries on a talk page I should put each on a separate line. Is that right?

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I used "Preview" as much as I could, but quite often forgot and went straight to "Save", unfortunately!

I have finished copy-editing Piers Morgan now, but there is one small task that is beyond me. There are a few footnotes to sort out in the paragraph I referred to that was in a terrible mess. I have allocated the footnotes to the right bits in that paragraph and adjusted the footnote code in the text accordingly, but there still remains double-counting of those sources in the "References" footnote list, which is beyond my experience to sort out. Could you take a look at it, please? I have left a small schedule and a note about it on the Talk page which I hope is clear, but please contact me if you need to. Resolved --P123cat1 (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


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Just a request for your views. On the BBC last night there was a report on the various ongoing child abuse investigations, which referred to Operation Mapperton in Tower Hamlets and Essex - mentioned here, and there are other mentions on blogs. We don't have an article on it, and I can't find it mentioned in any articles here. Looking into it a bit further I came across this site, which lists a whole slew of investigations, some of which may be notable, either individually or in total. I don't suggest we use that site itself, but some of its links might be useful. Should we be covering these investigations in some way - perhaps in a single overview article? I'm undecided and in many ways don't want to lead on this, but would appreciate your opinion. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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