User talk:Noah404

Copy-editing a literal quotation
Hello Noah404! In the article on The Kybalion, you copy-edited a passage which literally quotes from the Kybalion. This we can of course not do, even if we think it sounds better, because we would be changing the authors' own words. I've made it clearer that the seven principles as they occur in the article are literally quoted from the book. Thanks and have a good day, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 09:21, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Changing order of text
Hello, I am not sure what you think the point is of making edits such as this and this is, but they really are not considered helpful. TylerBurden (talk) 15:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey. I'll explain to you the point of my edits and why they're helpful. This excerpt is from "Linguistic Sexism: An Overview of the English Language in Everyday Discourse" by Umera-Okeke, Nneka, Ph.D (https://www.ajol.info/index.php/laligens/article/view/107910/97744) "Usually words denoting male sex are put in front of female sex. It is said that in 1553 one person named Wilson insisted that it was more natural to place man before woman, as in male and female, husband and wife, father and mother, brother and sister, son and daughter, he and she, he or she, host and hostess, king and queen. Implicit in his insistence that males take precedence is the belief that males come first in the natural order, and this is one of the first examples of a male arguing for not only just the superiority of males but that this superiority should be reflected in the structure of language."
 * To be clear, I'm not accusing Wikipedia of promoting male superiority through language by always putting men before women in its articles. We're so used to it, most people probably don't even stop to think about it. But though the intent isn't harmful, the effects are. Sexism, regardless of the arena in which it takes place, leads to gender inequality. Something can and must be done about it wherever and whenever possible. Being a "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", Wikipedia is one such arena in which a difference can be made. So I edit articles, just here and there, to place woman before man, as in female and male, wife and husband, mother and father, sister and brother, daughter and son, she and he, she or he, hostess and host, queen and king. The edits don't negatively affect the quality of the articles and reduce sexism in language, which contributes to the abolishment of gender equality, which improves the quality of life for everyone. I hope my explanation was sufficient and that you'll let me make my minor edits. Noah404 (talk) 00:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Noah404, I just want to let you know that I agree and that I also often mention female first and male last, but you should perhaps consider that when this is the only change you are making to an article you are creating a huge overhead for people like TylerBurden and me who are patrolling new changes to articles. Because of this we have less time to check other (potentially disruptive or otherwise negative) changes, and when there are too many we sometimes just skip some changes (potentially leaving articles in a vandalized state) or give up patrolling altogether. A better practice is to make such relatively 'trivial' changes at the time when you are also making other more substantial changes to the article. Even two or more 'trivial' changes combined will make it more worthwhile for patrollers. Thanks for taking this into consideration, ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 15:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining, while I don't disagree with you like Apaugasma said above it can come across as very trivial and the kind of edit that wastes peoples time, espescially if you do not include your reasoning in the edit summary. I agree with Apaugasma that other improvements along with the change would be a good idea, and also try and always include a brief edit summary. Happy editing. TylerBurden (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)