User talk:Nobleeagle/Archive4

Articles for deletion/ShivLing of Makkeshwar
You may be interested in this deletion debate. GizzaChat  © 07:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

My Username
NobleEagle, my username actually comes from the words "Da mare in u". I follow horse racing very closely. Thankyou for your inquisitivity. Damareinu 12:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)damareinu

Your box
Hi Noble, this is the text of your user box, as you requested. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 10:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Indo-Aryan Wikipedian
Noble eagle, I wanted to discuss something regarding this. Can you pls email me??.Bharatveer 13:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 13:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OIT
I had a lapse of judgment on the page, thinking it was the "outside of India" theory. Sorry for the mixup.Bakaman Bakatalk 13:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Look Before You Leap
NobleEagle, with due respect to your nobilities, please don't go on reverting before you look at what is blanked. The section I deleted was a frigment of some wild Brahmin-hater's imagination. There are no sources cited, nor any references. I searched for this information on the net and I didnt find this information in any authorised website. Apart from that the information is clearly biased and derogatory. The section was added a few days back and somehow it got overlooked by the regular editors. Please, be careful from now on when revrting pages.

-- N R S(talk to me, mail me   or award me a barnstar) 07:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Great Power
True the "New" user is the same IP that became so nasty in the last edit war on the page. I think we have made our point and there is no sense in arguing any further than this. If they add false info to the article we need to remove it and if they revert back a foruth time-we just report them to the admins. Regards,  Signature brendel  08:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC) PS: I'm currently on vacation but usually check my watchlist about once a day (Yes, I'm addicited ;-))
 * You two really have "issues". What you do is absolutely destroy the credibility of WP.  You should be utterly ashamed.  But I'm sure you will find a way to convince yourselves the opposite is true.  It is really sad that you have to be here plotting how you are going to enforce your POV.  You should bow your heads in shame. JJx2 08:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

A userbox that I found
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What anon?
Who is anonymous? If you are talking of the IP just before me, then thats me. i forgot to login. And i dont find all the sentences in the article wellphrased. so i do think some things need rephrasing. I will do it when i get time. it will be soon. But I dont agree the way it is now. Oneearth 16:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Elder Scrolls articles
Replied on my usertalk, so feel free to delete this if necessary. Just wanted to make sure you saw it. I agree that the articles need to be improved, and to that end, tonight I'm going to use the cheat console to get a few billion in gold and buy every book in Oblivion, at least all books for sale, and then use my character's Stealth and Security skills to steal any I can't find. I'll use the information gathered in the various Elder Scrolls articles. I'll probably do the same in Morrowind. As I've been working on the TES sections, I've found there are a lot of things I THINK I know, but need to doublecheck. Umlautbob 00:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I remembered that site just as I got done gathering all the books and stuffing them into a chest at Arborwatch. Oh, well, I'll just use that dude to experiment with other things. My game lags when I open that chest now, so it's a good thing we remembered that. Umlautbob 15:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thought you might be interested in this, it's a link to a site with every book in the Elder Scrolls universe- http://til.gamingsource.net/ . It'll be quicker than getting the book in game, at least. And I sent the link to Umlautbob too. Morgrim 09:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got Morgrim's link. Very helpful, you should check it out. Also, regarding Holidays in Tamriel, want me to go ahead and start that section? Umlautbob 09:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Oh, and I forgot to mention, if you do want the actual game book, in Oblivion, go into console, type "coc testinghall." You appear in a room with a bunch of doors-one of those will lead to a room with most, if not all of the books in the game. Umlautbob 07:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
See this - raised a smile from me, I must say!

Regards,  X damr  talk 14:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Great powers
That's pretty much me finished for just now. I've rearranged the structure a little, got rid of some of the supposed powers from the table, but mostly concentrated on the historical section. Still all very much WIP at the moment though.

Do you think that we could stand to lose the table? I think that a list or a sub-section approach would be better. The table looks pretty ugly I think. Anyway, I didn't fancy tackling that tonight.

If you could, try and keep an eye out for cases of new material being introduced with flimsy sourcing. That is one way all this work would be lost, flooding the good stuff with the bad - lowering the article generally.

Incidentally, I've been finding [] pretty useful as a guide for the historical aspects. It has some good pointers for further reading. Trouble is that it uses Harvard referencing, so we'll have to find the file which has the main source list in order to decipher the references.

X damr talk 03:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * re. the useful pdf above, I managed to get ahold of the other chapters, TOC, notes etc. For some reason they were all up on the site in http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/.  Look for the series of pdfs whose titles start with 0472112872.  I think that this could be an outstanding source, both in itself and as a guide to other main sources.


 * I've purged one or two sources which I felt were absolutely useless. I'd appreciate your views on them:


 * http://www.thegreenpapers.com/Vox/?20030228-0 - Wouldn't the French have been a superpower?
 * http://www.data-archive.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=4492 - Great power wars.


 * The first quite simply doesn't seem to have any kind of academic pedigree. I have no idea who these people are, but it seems to be nothing other than amateur conjecture.  The second is the abstract of some paper or other, which seems to refer to some nations (eg. Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Ottaman empire) as Great powers.  Given that this is only an abstract, I don't think that it is valid as a source.  We don't even know what definition of 'Great power' the writer is adopting; it may vary from that which we have now managed to source in the article (Congress of Vienna, etc).


 * Anyway, it's good to see the article finally shaping up.


 * Regards,  X damr  talk 00:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do read and respond
Your post on Talk Hindutva- "Just because it is right-wing doesn't mean its fascist! Are all conservatives fascist in your opinion? This topic is not on it's right-wingedness, it is on fascism. And nothing Haphar has presented proves that the Sangh Parivar are fascist...Far right is fascist, Ultra-leftism is communist. It seems that Haphar is labelling all right-wing organizations as fascist and all left-wing organizations as communist, leaving only centrists as decent people. It could be simply my misunderstand of what he has written, in which case I hope he clears that up for me. By the way, if you want you can go to [www.politicalcompass.org Political Compass] and find out whether you are right/left. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC) "

-Since you have made these claims- please show me where I have said that :-"Just because it is right-wing it means it's fascist!" You further state "It seems that Haphar is labelling all right-wing organizations as fascist and all left-wing organizations as communist, leaving only centrists as decent people. Which "All right wing" have I labelled fascist ? Which " All left wing have i labelled centrist ? Where is any comment on "decent people" or that left wing/ right wing is indecent ? I think the post is based on jumping to conclusions, please do take the pain to read through the whol discussion and my points- in case it eluded you - was that :-

1.-Hindutva is right wing as all right wingers talk about it

2.-Said that all elemsnet of the Sangh are not the same and have differnt degrees of distance from centrist positions.

3.- Since a user disputed that the Sangh is right and asked for proof I showed links to show that the Sangh is right wing.

I think you owe me an apology for ascribing words to me that I have not used. Haphar 08:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

3.-

Fascism
Nolbeeagle, regarding your last point on "Accusations", it seems it is you who does not entirely understand the origins of Fascism. As I have stated, and will state again...Fascism derived from Christianity, and later to Catholicism. You are a Hindu!...obviously you do not understand this concept, and are ill-informedly preaching to others that they do not know what Fascism is.

soz...lapse of judgement on the fascism thing...i thought u were calling the person who called u a fascist doesn't know what fascism is...but even after re-reading ur point...u should read to see that i in fact said that u are weird because ur a hindu following catholic doctrines/governmental techniques.

Out of India is a theory?
Explain something to me....Most Aryan evidence is around the Indian & IRanian area....no evidence is in Europe....Every Aryan text was written in the INdian & Iranian area....No text was written in Europe....In every Aryan text there is no mention of an invasion, of wars with "inferior" people, and there is no mention of being supreme over other human beings....And your telling me that OUT OF INDIA is a theory? 71.107.54.199 07:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Look u can debate anything in life....I mean you can make a case that America never went to the moon...there are people who believe that....But if u believe that Aryans came from India, just like I do, then dont call it a theory...Its not a theory...A theory is something that has holes in it......And Aryans coming from India doesnt have many holes....All evidence is there...All texts were written there...and the texts say nothing that disproves it....So its not a theory man 71.107.54.199 07:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

SS VHP BD
Sure, go ahead. Mar de Sin  Talk to me!  19:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re
Its on my watchlist. I'm somewhere between you and Subhash_bose on the spectrum. Uh, fighting with editors who have a virulent hatred of the RSS earns you those nice names.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

CfD
You may want to look into the CfD discussion for Category:Hindu mathematicians .Bakaman Bakatalk 00:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Culture and mathematics
Culture affects the institutional structures within which math is done, and a shared language and regional communication make it possible to talk about regional mathematics. Religion was essential to the formulation of mathematics thousands of years ago but the whole history of math has been one of borrowing inventions and creating a global toolkit. Differential calculus is the same in India, Japan, Egypt, France, and the US. Discoveries in Japan (the Taniyama-Shimura theorem) made Andrew Wiles' work on Fermat's Last Theorem possible.

There is no multiculturalism in math. I am SURE. I have two anthropology degrees and also did math up through differential calculus and discrete math. I don't think people who babble about multi-cultural math have done much of it. (Not that I've done that much, really.) Zora 08:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks man. Nice to see an Indian user willing to fight for the little man. Bakaman Bakatalk 01:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Malegaon
Hi, I noticed you reintroduced a statement by B.Raman on the article page for the 2006 Malegaon blasts. I think we can do without it. I'm copying some of what I've said in the matter:

This is what I wrote on the article talk page, addressed to a particular user: The choice of a particular line, out of a long article, by a particular columnist, out of many hundreds, known elsewhere to be sympathetic to a certain POV is deeply disturbing, and your defense of it meretricious. Further, you have provided no reason for rolling back my other edits. I urge you again to attempt to edit this encyclopaedia in the spirit of WP:NPOV. Anything edited not in that spirit will not stand.

This is what I wrote on another user's page: I think its best if we leave all columnist reactions out of it, as ensuring balance will lead to undue bloating. We can concentrate on the reports for now. I think that's reasonable. Also, I have no intention of reporting anyone for 3RR if they simply discuss things on the talk page. I dont want the investigation section of a current news event to have an npov tag on it, and its best to try and avoid that by scrupulously keeping to reporting. I am sorry if I am being a bother.

Please let me know if these arguments make sense to you. I do hope that you are willing to revert your own edit, so as to keep all opinion out of it, for the sake of clarity. Thanks. Hornplease 07:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Gizza
When I said Indian Admins I meant those from India. I thought DaGizza was Australian (of Indian descent) so I did not include him in the Indian admins comment. DaGizza has helped me out as well.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 01:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, DaGizza is a great admin. My comments were aimed at other Indian admins who wronged User:Shiva's trident and tried to dissociate themselves from Hindu users. DaGizza is unapologetically a BJP guy, and I like that in an admin. You should become one: you're not involved in the dirty fighting like the other Hindutva sympathizing users and you're buds with all Indian users.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 01:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * O well I guess thats the lot for "Rss agent, Hindutva fanatic, communal, massacre propagating, revisionist, anti-secular, fundamentalist, islamophobic chatterbots from the BJP headquarters".Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 02:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cricket team
I made the ref section small and encyclopedic. Take a look.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 02:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * One thing could be that history could concentrate on events rather than people and cut down on the number of names mentioned. West Indian cricket team is a good model for this. (I am very lousy writer. That is why I rarely try to rewrite what other people have written). Tintin (talk) 06:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry but I don't have the time to look at the article in so much detail. I can just give a few pointers. Remember to fix all the problems stated by Nichalp, find sources for any stats or information that is not obvious and to ask people not familiar with cricket to copyedit it. I might add {fact} tags if I find some time. I myself am tring to FA Cricket World Cup and I'm about halfway there. Good luck. <b style="color:teal;">Gizza</b><sup style="color:teal;">Chat  <b style="color:teal;">©</b> 05:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

If you have trouble in getting data about the early tours, please let me know. I'll mail you some scanned pages from books. Tintin (talk) 05:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

OIT
hi Nobleeagle -- I think you are doing a good job on the OIT article. I will be happy to look into Elst's account, and I agree Elst is quotable as part of reasonable discourse. I would ask you just to keep things closely referenced to authors; I think authors like Frawley/Knapp can be left standing just for what they are, partisan authors outside any sort of mainstream discourse, and I won't bother with criticism of those as long as their contributions are clearly identified. I am willing to entertain "OIT" as a reasonable alternative to the mainstream Kurgan model, on similar footing as the Anatolian hypothesis, and I agree that aspects of it may even prove valuable in preventing the Kurgan model from becoming too much of a dogma (but this is only possible if OIT is not allowed to be carried ad absurdum by crackpot claims). I further think you should make very clear that Elst's "emerging model" aims at satisfying various tenets regarding the spread and age of IE dialects and is not based on archaeoastronomy and accounts in Brahmana or even Purana literature! As far as I can see, Elst sees no reason to propose earlier dates than commonly assumed for the Vedas, and your article should make very clear that "OIT" does not equal "Vedic IVC": It appears that in Elst's 'reasonable' scenario, the IVC is Proto-Indo-Iranian (yes, "Aryan IVC"), just like my provisional scenario on the talkpage. Such a Hindutva-kookery free variant of the OIT is orders of magnitude more acceptable than illiterate claims of Neolithic Vedas etc. There are also a few strawmen left (such as the improbability of "Central Asian Sanskrit" - which entirely beside the point, since it is not something that is even claimed by anybody). regards, dab (ᛏ) 08:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

ICT
Hi NE,

I have changed the background of the image for contrast. :D I have changed the logo to 2x size, and wouldn't increase further as fair-use requires the image to be low-resolution. We are already bordering that in the current size.

The article currently is in bad shape. A simple copyedit won't help as the article has to change its focus completely. It seems that the IP must be Nichalp on the basis of conviction in his writing, and I second his view that the article shouldn't go for FAC now. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sports team FAs

 * Everton_F.C.
 * Arsenal_F.C.
 * Chicago_Bears
 * Sheffield_Wednesday_F.C.
 * New_England_Patriots
 * Manchester_City_F.C.
 * IFK Göteborg

Integrate the best section and ideas from each of the articles. Notice how they avoid POV statements and what type of sentences they cite sources for. Fulfil the other requests told by Blngyuen, Nichalp, Ambuj etc. and Indian cricket team should become an FA! <b style="color:teal;">Gizza</b><sup style="color:teal;">Chat  <b style="color:teal;">©</b> 05:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Citizendium
Real fancy format. *shrug* You wrote "I've always through of Wikipedia as a vision and to think that one of the leaders of the community lost that vision" and started talking about "treason". You talk "vision" but from your activity it's obvious that you're responding to dogma, and you like that. It gives you pretext for "us and them". And now Larry is "them" for some reason, so you accuse "Treason!". Poor fellow. I don't think that's what Springsteen had in mind with "Born in the USA!". Try giving your head a shake. I don't think it'll help but *shrug* it's a thought. --BenTremblay 06:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have already admitted that I am embarrassed of that edit which came in the spur of the moment without much thought. Mr. Sanger has an idea and I respect that idea. Again, I am most embarrassed by my comments.  Noble eagle  (Talk)  06:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Tipu Sultan
Thanks for pointing out the ref. I also did a bit of digging and found out that crude rockets were, in fact used by the Marathas (I added some refs to the article) so I stand corrected about the fact that rockets were used. However, I still maintain that to call Tipu the 'father of modern rocket science' is plain absurd so I modified the article accordingly.Hkelkar 07:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting more help on Tipu Sultan

 * Hi, could you help me out on Tipu Sultan regarding my issues wrt original research and unverified claims on several sentences in the article, as well as the issues I have raised on the talk page here. Thanks for your attention.Hkelkar 09:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message
Read and noted. cheers --BenTremblay 20:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Lkadvani
He got a username change a month ago. His new avatar is User:TerryJ-Ho.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 02:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the History of Pakistan
I find nothing wrong with your objections, to tell you the truth. In fact, I do agree with them. Pakistan and Bangladesh are modern post-colonial creations out of the Indian subcontinent. All three successor states to British India were part of a large, continuous Indian civilization composed of inter-related ethnic groups, languages and kingdoms. Most geographers identified this place as "Hindush" (Old Persian) "Hindustan" (Farsi) or "India" (European). In fact, "India" was first used to refer to the are now called Pakistan. Most Muslim historians from the middle ages onwards identify the area as part of "Hindustan" rather than as an independent "Pakistan". Now with regards "Ancient Pakistan" vs "Ancient India" and Indus Valley/Ganges valley thing, this is what I think. Pakistan as it is today, as you might already know, constitutes the bulk of what was historically northwestern India. Thus as a region, it has many distinct features of its own, in the same way South India or Northeast India does, yet it historically had enough in common with the rest of the subcontinent to be part of the greater continuous Indian civilization. In fact, the areas in modern India now called Rajputana, Gujarat, Indian-administered Kashmir, and Indian Punjab are all part of the old northwestern India too, so Pakistan and these areas are identical to each other, not dissimilar in anyway, as the local culture and history of this area is the same. The Indus Valley civilization is if anything, a local feature and the Ganges valley is also a local feature to northern India. It is not that prominent in say South India or northeast India. Both of those areas are not based around the Ganges or the Indus, (obviously :) ). Some modern Pakistanis use this Indus valley thing as part of a nationalist attempt to distinguish Pakistan from India as a separate civilzation, when they fail to realize the similarities right across the border and the fact that Pakistan is no more different from the rest of the subcontinent than South India or Bangladesh is. In fact, Pakistan was not even founded due to regional alliances of Indians in the northwest. Pakistan was founded as a homeland for Indian Muslims in an area where Indian Muslims simply predominated. You must remember that it also included Bangladesh, which as far as I know, is no way similar to the local cultural background of the northwest. In fact, East Pakistan is culturally based on the end of the "Ganges civilization" the very culture some Pakistanis want to distinguish themselves from! This new argument is recent. Thats how I see it. I happen to be Pakistani, btw. So no, I dont understand how you can call citizens in those areas Pakistanis or Bangladeshis prior to 1947 or 1971, unless if those individuals lived beyond those dates or fought for their existance such as Jinnah or even Iqbal (who was its ideaological founder and is considered a Pakistani poet regardless of the fact that he died in the 30's). So yes, you are right. Hope that helps! Afghan Historian 16:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

ps: Nice choice being a sith lord, I'm one too. Also, out of curiosity, why do you say the Urdu/Persian "India Zendibad" when most of your post-partition countrymen (from my understanding) prefer the Hindi/Sanskrit "Jai Hind" or "Jai Bharat"? Afghan Historian 16:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

True True. I guess I agree with regards to Zendibad. If anything, it removes another misconception about India that I had, the lack of Urdu's use in civic culture. Nevertheless, we should cover them according to regional overlap, etc. You know, with regards to Balochistan (particularly western Balochistan), one could talk about that area as an overlap between the subcontinent and the Iranian plateau (Persia) as the Baloch are closely related to the Persians and follow much of their culture, as well as a Farsi-speaking population in the area. Farewell. Afghan Historian 01:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

INCOTW
You voted for Indian Armed Forces, this week's Indian Collaboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Koenraad Elst
Users are trying to promote eurocentric fantasism by trying to censor Koenraad Elst from wiki .`Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 00:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
hard to get lost and hard to hide aint it? its nice being free to edit as an anon.

Map in Out of India theory page
Dear NobleEagle, I want to draw your attention about the map in Out of India theory article. You have shown IVC area as pre-5,000 BC and then just next door area of Gangetic plains, Central India and Bengal side as post-2000 BC. The same post-2000 BC dates applies to Western Europe. If you really belueve in OIT then Ramayan & Mahabharat are not some Epic stories of central asian aryans.Mention of Kashi in Rig-Veda defies the spread shown in the map.It may be based on Elst. The Sanskrit scriptures are giving places' names and Kingdoms of Gangetic plains and Central India. Also, it is illogical to me that it took more than 3,000 years for spread of Sanskrit based languages from IVC area to just 200-500 Km far areas of Indian plains. Is it possible that Gangetic plains were not habitated before 2,000 BC. If not then why Rig-Veda mentions Kashi ? or my Mithila or Vidarbha point ? If yes then is it possible that they spoke other type of language ( i.e. Non-Sanskritic ). After complete drying of Saraswati ( Gaggar - Hakra ) river around 1900 BC why major people moved to Gangetic plains ? Crossing Hindukush mountain range is more difficult or moving to nearby continuous Indian plains ? I appreciate your work but try to understand my points. WIN 05:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Read Ephemeris.com's History section for more reading about Astronomy's worldwide History. WIN 04:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comment
Thanks for the heads up; I responded on his talk page so we can consolidate the discussion. --Xiaopo &#8465; 06:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Bollywood
Noble eagle , Can you pls add punjabi script in that too?-Bharatveer 06:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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Godse
I am not sure you meant to say what you did. But, I never disputed that Godse was executed for murder. Bakaman did. You should probably talk some sense into him. Sarvagnya 08:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

horse in OIT
How do you think should we be dealing with Horses in OIT. I have one suggestion. Though i am sorry that i will not be able to help you much in the expansion of the article. It is speculated that earlier the word Ashva just referred to Agni. And when horses came to india, the meaning was extended to horses.--nids(♂) 14:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Poland is a Great power
I sourced library of congress, which specifically said Poland great power, it was completely ignored. Tell me how the library of congress is not a credible source. Funny4life 01:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Raja Yoga controversy
Dear Hinduism Project editors,

There is a controversy on the Hinduism regarding Raja Yoga. Please read the debate on the Hinduism discussion page. Your comments are requested on the Hinduism discussion page to help resolve the controversy. Thank you. HeBhagawan 15:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Hi nobleeagle! I'm wondering if you are an administrator. Didn't see that on your userpage, but came here nevertheless, coz you have put up a nice message for newcomers! :)

I want to report these IPs to an admin or someone who knows what to do: [88.108.75.217] changed a few Bollywood actor's birthdates. I edited those to comply with their IMDb profiles, but 88.108.75.213 came along and changed 'em yet again. We could keep doing this... Is there a way to stop him/her? Thanks! Anagha 18:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to WP:ANI! Anagha 19:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

IE template
Nobleeagle, I have to point you to Wikipedia:Undue weight again. I appreciate that you are really into the Out of India theory, and you are most welcome to document it in all detail, such as it is. You have to realize, still, that the hypothesis plays no role whatsoever in Indo-European studies, which is the relevant subject determining due weight here. Heck, the Armenian hypothesis has Indo-Europeanists backing it (like, 5%?). All we have so far to link the OIT to academia at all is Elst, a guy who studied philosophy with Indology (?) as his secondary subject. That's simply not sufficient. Please, maybe I am not aware of some literature: If you do find Indo-Europeanist proponents of the theory, by all means cite them, that's really all it is about. The ranking of notability of hypotheses of PIE origins in current scholarship is very clear: Yes, I said that personally I would consider OIT on equal footing with the Anatolian or Armenian hypotheses, as "useful input" for reconsidering Kurgan. This is not the case in any literature I am aware of, however. My personal ranking of notability would be, Kurgan 80%, Anatolia, OIT and Armenia 5% each, but policy constrains us to go with the mainstream as outlined above. dab (ᛏ) 08:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Kurgan hypothesis (70%?)
 * 2) Anatolian hypothesis (20%?)
 * 3) Armenian hypothesis (5%? probably more in Russian academia)
 * 4) other. mostly not even mentioned in overviews. among them OIT, PCT, Scandinavia, Pan-Slavia, Macedonia, Atlantis.

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History of Pakistan
The article is in my watchlist. Thanks for intimating me.Hkelkar 07:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This Siddiqi guy keeps revert-warring your edits. I have made 2 reverts to the article so I'd better not revert-war myself.Might want to take a look. he has also had 2 reverts.Hkelkar 14:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He's trying the same stunt on Muhammad bin Qasim despite the issues I have raised together with a third party mediator he refuses to discuss and revert-wars instead. Would you like to participate in a joint mediation cabal regarding both articles? If so, then I will file an AMA request.Hkelkar 15:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)