User talk:Noclador/Archive 11

Fires Brigade
Noclador, please note that while it is true 75th, 214th, and 41st FiB (Fires Brigade) all are subordinate to III Corps, it is important to note which division or corps the FiBs support. Each U.S. Regular Army FiB is assigned to support a certain division or corps. 41st FiB supports III Corps while, 75th and 214th support 1ID and 4ID respectively. Shovonma17 (talk) 04:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand, but does this mean that the FiBs are part of the divisions or not? As far as I know they are not an integral part of the divisions and therefore should be listed apart from them (not in the same article/graphic). noclador (talk) 04:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Please note that the revisions state which division/corps the FiBs "support." During combat operations, units from the FiB will be attached to support their respective division/corps units. Otherwise the FiBs are self sustaining brigades, just like a regular BCT. I ask you to please leave the revision as it is. As a U.S. Army field artillery officer, I have many colleagues who are assigned to these units and when looked up Wikipedia for a quick reference, they didn't know what division/corps they were supporting. The revisions as they are provides a good reference. Shovonma17 (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, noclador (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What about 212th Fires Brigade (United States)? Which unit does this FiB support? noclador (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * 1st Armored Division, located at Ft. Bliss. Shovonma17 (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

so the 1CD is the only one without a FiB? or would the 41st FiB take on that role? what about the other Div.'s? noclador (talk) 20:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * 41st FiB supports III Corps combat brigades in Fort Hood, including 1CD. 17th supports the brigades in Joint Base Lewis-McChord (which are now under the administrative control of 7th ID, before I Corps). 210th supports 2ID in Republic of Korea. 18th supports 82nd Airborne. Shovonma17 (talk) 05:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Varsei
Dumsinandi.com is not a private blog, it's a not-for-profit organisation for the promotion of regional languages in Piedmont, and the author of the reference I gave doesn't just call the city "Varsei" as he wants it. Believe it or not, there is a local language, and that's how it's said.

Could you please have some respect for my edits? The language of Varsei is not "some obscure local dialect". It might be obscure for you, wherever you come from, but it's not obscure for the people who live in Varsei, whose language it is.

I don't see why you can't value my additions on a topic which I agree is obscure, for people outside the city. It's obscure because it's rarely written down, it's not well known outside Italy, and it's been down-trodden by the Italian government for 100 years. However, it's the ancient, native language of the region, and it deserves a bit of respect for the 47000 people that live there.

Gixz (talk) 01:29, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You do not understand the point of wikipedia - it is not relevant for wikipedia what some people in Vercelli might think or feel, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, whose goal is to collect the knowledge of the world and do so in a neutral way and with sources. I reverted your edits as they are - as you say yourself - obscure for people outside Vercelli. Also you seem to mix up language and dialect - the it:Dialetto vercellese is a dialect of the Piedmontese language, therefore to list all dialect variations of the cities name is overkill. As it was there was Italian and Piedmontese (Vërsèj) and now adding 3 variations of the same (Varsei, Varséi, or Varsej) is just not relevant to an encyclopedia. Also the need to put up three names (not one of which gets many google hits) shows that there is no written dialect name for the city, but just transliterations as everyone who seems to think it most adequate. Therefore it is neither relevant, nor sourceable, nor encyclopedic and also it seems to be original research - all things wikipedia does not allow in its articles. Therefore I will keep removing this information. noclador (talk) 21:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I understand perfectly the difference between a dialect and a language. Vercellese of course is a dialect of Piedmontese, but in some contexts it makes more sense to refer to it as a language, and it's just as much a language as, say, English or Japanese. It's mostly a matter of politics anyway. Flemish can also be considered a dialect of Dutch, and Norwegian can be considered a dialect of Swedish. Italian was originally the dialect spoken in Tuscany. Vercellese, practically speaking, is one of the languages spoken in Varsei. Anyway, there's no distinct Piedmontese language. Drawing a line between Piedmontese and, say, Lombard, is just an arbitrary delineation. The Vercellese dialect shares a large amount of grammar and vocabulary with Lombard. Novarese on the other hand is classed as Lombard (despite the fact that Novara is part of Piedmont), and yet it shares a lot with Piedmontese. Novarese and Vercellese are much closer to each other than, say Torinese and Vercellese. There are gradations of dialects running across the entire region of Northern Italy, and each dialect is mutually intelligible to the dialects surrounding it. It's similar with dialects of German.

If you want to list only one written variation of Varsei, that's fine by me. The one I've seen the most often is Varsei. There's no standard spelling, but there's a standard pronunciation, and the pronunciation is clear from all the three variants I've seen. I've given you three sources for the name Varsei. And none of the sources are from 'private blogs' etc. Wikipedia can't just put it's hands over it's ears and ignore the realities of life because they're not systematic and standardized. If people use different spellings, we can either write down all 3 of them, or just choose the most common. I'll give you the honour of deciding. As long as you don't justify your argument, I will keep reverting your reverts. It's ridiculous to argue that this point isn't sourceable. (Anyway, it might have escaped your attention, but 99% of the article on Vercelli is non-sourced. Are we going to delete everything else as well, or are you just picking on this one fact because you don't like it? That doesn't seem very 'encyclopaedic'.) Finally, the fact that Vercelli is called Varsei in Vercellese is not a feeling or an opinion. It's a plain, neutral fact. There are lots of extremely obscure facts on Vercelli, but obscure doesn't mean the same thing as irrelevant. If you want to argue that this fact is 'irrelevant', you can't just cite its obscurity. You've got to do better than that. Anyway citing the fact that there aren't many Google 'hits' certainly isn't proof. This is a language which is not commonly written down, not officially recognised by the Italian government, and spoken mostly by elderly people, who don't use the internet very much. So yes, it doesn't appear much on the internet. That doesn't mean it deserves to be deleted. Gixz (talk) 22:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Vercelli
The article Vercelli has now been locked until the ongoing content dispute over additional/alternate names can be resolved. I have summarised what I interpreted (having read material on relevant user talk pages) as being the substantive points of contention. Your comments/suggestions/civilised contributions there would be appreciated. Please see Talk:Vercelli. Cheers, Stalwart 111  08:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Italian Divisions
The numerical designator is not consistent across all divisions, and the "th" etc designator is consistent with English usage. German divisions, which used the 4. designator in their German name, are all in the form "th" etc on en WP. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Albanian Armed Forces
I noticed that you changed the structure of the branches of Albanian Armed Forces. I understand that your goal is improvement but that structure was abolished in April 2010. Unfortunately the new structure is not yet updated in the official page of the General staff which remains very poor (at the moment the new structure is under construction). I hope that you can revert yourself your edits. I reverted just one of them. I understand why this may be confusing and that is difficult to provide sources for the new structure. Either way i had already provided an article in Albanian on the matter since I can not really quote persons who are on the forces (not very academic). In any case from a person who cherishes accurate information i thank you for your interest and efforts for improvement.

Here is a link to that article: http://www.gazeta-shqip.com/aktualitet/0dee7528fb5fbc55b0625fb8b487de07.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purusbonum (talk • contribs) 15:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Bulgaria
Thanks. No recent info on Ukraine; you're in a far better position than me to check - military attaches in Kiev?, or the official press office? Please insert the date of your Bulgaria chart into the chart itself. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 08:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Transformation of the United States Army
Sorry Noclador, just had to undo this edit. 'FKSM 71-8' in the edit summary is simply not enough of a reference to meet WP:BURDEN. Please revert me and add the reference this time. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I added a link to the Fort Knox Supplemental Manual (FKSM) 71-8: Armor/Cavalry Reference Brigade Combat Teams which lists the brigades structure as per May 2011:  noclador (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

AFV template
I reverted the redirect of the AFV template. It should never have been redirected because AFVs do not carry infantry Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This conversation is continuing at User talk:Dodger67. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

French Defence White Paper 2013
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/actualites/articles/livre-blanc-2013

You may want to draw a diagram, although the pdfs dont say which units. But its quite easy to guess, based on current wiki info and other websites.Phd8511 (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw the White Book, but I want to wait for the Army to release exactly what units will be disbanded and which units might move before updating the OrBat graphic. noclador (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not that hard to guess which.Phd8511 (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Confirming Italian Army
That there are only two MBT battalions/regiments in the whole army? How many tanks per regiment? Thanks Phd8511 (talk) 12:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * After the reform there will be three MBT regiments in the army: the 32nd and 132nd in the Ariete, and the 131st in the Garibaldi. Each regiment should field 4 companies of 13 tanks each, with 2 tanks for the commander and the vice-commander; the total per regiment should be 54 tanks. Additionally the 1st Armoured Regiment in Sardinia - a armoured warfare training unit - will have 1 or 2 tank companies; with the rest of the tanks at the Cavalry School in Lecce. The Army disbanded the 4th Tank Regiment which as every other tank regiment had 3 companies a 13 tanks. These 3 companies are now dispersed among the remaining 3 tank regiments. noclador (talk) 13:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Is the Garibaldi classified as a MBT? Where can I find the defence reform paper?Phd8511 (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The Garibaldi is one of two heavy brigades. Both heavy brigades (Ariete and Garibaldi) are armed with Ariete tanks, Dardo infantry fighting vehicles,Centauro tank destroyers and PzH2000 artillery; the difference is that the Ariete fields two tank regiments and one Bersaglieri regiment (with Dardo), while the Garibaldi fields one tank regiment and two Bersaglieri regiments. However the army is still discussing if they should take these 6 regiments and morph them into combined arms regiments (as with the US Heavy brigade combat teams); then each of the two heavy brigades would field three combined arms battalions with two tank and two Bersaglieri companies per battalion. The best resource for the Army reform data can be found here: - it is in Italian, but it also contains Air Force and Navy. However some aspects already changed (now government in power and they will now disband a bit less of the artillery it seems). noclador (talk) 13:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

British Army Army Reserve/TA
http://www.serfca.org/Portals/0/Images/f/SUMMARY%20OF%20A2020%20RESERVE%20STRUCTURE%20AND%20BASING%20CHANGES.pdf

Do you want to use the above link to update the Territorial Army (going to be the Army Reserve) units and ORBAT? Pretty accurate OBRBAT. Better than Army 2020 in fact. Phd8511 (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I will! :-) but only on the weekend, I am currently fully occupied with work. noclador (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/20130703-A2020_Update.pdf Better Orbat. Take your time.Phd8511 (talk) 23:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done a bit of a Orbat (possibly typos) here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_British_Army#Army_2020. Fee free to edit and draw your chart based on this. Hope you are well.Phd8511 (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Good work on the Orbat!! but wow, this is a hell of a complicated structure!! I will have to think how to create a graphic with all that information included, that is not a optical mess... I doubt that a structure like this makes sense... but then the Brits always had the most ridiculously complicated Army structure! --noclador (talk) 10:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, Army units under joint command, Army units under RM, Army units that can switch between brigades... Phd8511 (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

and brigades with 20 units... this is no way to organize and army... unless you expected to never have to go straight from the barracks to war... noclador (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Largest brigade is the Military Police Brigade. They must be thinking of controlling many POWs and solving crime.Phd8511 (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits esp Italian and US Army
it gives a much clearer view of the ORBATs. Thanks!Phd8511 (talk) 15:39, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

18 German sorties
This is sourced so I expect it not to be reverted again. The logic of your reversal - that each Geschwader had 120 aircraft so the number of sorties flown is too high - does not make sense, especially since the source says some German individual "units" - which could mean staffel, or Gruppe. It does not say they flew 18 missions in Geschwader strength! Besides, no full Kampfeschwader took part in the fighting anyway. If you have a problem with something can you ask rather than revert first please. Dapi89 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The text reads "Individual German bomber crews made up to eighteen sorties daily" - which is a reflect of what is there. All the best. Dapi89 (talk) 13:21, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Muttersprache in Süd Tirol
I see you added a statement to the Graun entry that German is the mother language for >97% of the registered inhabitants. True.

I had previously added the same statement (copied from German or Italian wiki), but then I removed it. I removed it because I noticed that the same information is already contained in a separate paragraph a few lines down the page.

I know the language issue is an important one (I remember the slogans painted on the walls even back in the 1970s...). But I think wikipedia exists to provide information for people who don't know stuff before it is there to confirm information to people who knew stuff already. Do you think we really need to show the same statistic twice in so short a space? I do not, but I am an outsider, and I see - if I understand correctly - that you come from Meran(o) so I will happily defer to your örtliche preferences if you will write that you disagree with me! Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Charles, although I am from South Tyrol I can't stand the whole Italian-German, Italy-Austria, etc. discussions. I keep an eye on all South Tyrol related articles in case someone vandalizes the articles or tries to re-write facts. When I saw your edit on Graun I assumed that you deleted information without checking if the same information is already present in the article or not. So I re-added it to save information which I thought might else be lost. Also I just read the article and found some small errors and fixed them (i.e. that the Val Müstair is geographically part of the Vinschgau, but there Romansh is spoken to this day.). noclador (talk) 11:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Griffin missile on Freedom-Class LCS
Is the Griffin missile really on the Freedom Class LCS? Def not on USS Freedom at the moment.Phd8511 (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * as far as I know the Griffin or a similar missile might be added in a future upgrade, but as of now it is certainly not yet integrated into the LCS ships. noclador (talk) 21:11, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i've seen the USS Freedom deployment. No Griffin Missiles at all.Phd8511 (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

IP Vandal
Sorry for taking so long to respond - I was away from home and didn't log on. I see the vandal has been blocked (but only for 3 days!!). I'll keep an eye on some of the articles. Again, many thanks for the message. Regards Denisarona (talk) 04:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Vandal
Hi Noclador, your warning to the 2601... user probably should just be upgraded to immediate ban on all of "his" accounts. a diff of your revision to Polish Armed Forces. A look at the history page of the Polish Armed Forces articles reveals several bogus edits by users whose username starts with "2601" and then babbles on with something that looks like an Ethernet MAC address. It would be nice if these people could find something productive to do rather than tagging articles. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I just looked at the articles history and saw how much vandalism has been going on. I think a semi-protection of the page is warranted. Also I agree with you that we this guy needs to be blocked on sight, reverted on sight! and I will act accordingly! noclador (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election
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thanks
for the British Army info graph. Did you read they are keeping Warthog under 32 and 47 RA?Phd8511 (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I hear it's 3 deployable Adaptable force brigades
4th, 7th and 51st. Not fully armed of course since there are only 2 light gun artillery regiments--with possibly 2 batteries and not 3 a piece. Rumour is the reserves units will have to bear the full burden of filling the gaps in the normal brigades. Another problem is that there's no fixed signal squadron for all brigades.Phd8511 (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Basically the REME
pairing means that it can work in any of the reaction brigades. The worst is 12th Armoured Infantry Brigade's heavy protected mobility (Mastiff) Regiment. It's not really just Scots Guards--any of the Foot Guards units will fill that role. So rotation after rotation after rotation...Phd8511 (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

2ID hierarchy
your graphic at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2nd_US_Infantry_Division.png incorrectly lists 2CAB being at Cp Hovey. For the last 6 years at least, 2CAB has been stationed at Cp Humphreys. Clown (talk) 04:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Military history additions
I see you've added a great deal of information to a number of military history articles. Thank you! Unfortunately, I do not see that you have used inline citations to verify the information you've added. Inline citations are essential to making sure that the information in articles is accurate and well-sourced. Let me know if you have any questions about referencing. -- Jprg1966  (talk)  07:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Albanian Air Force
Please take a quick look at User_talk:85.201.26.98, and please remember WP:DONTBITE, remembering our decreasing level of editors. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:01, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

82nd Airborne
First, I love your graphics of the US Divisions- I do not have the skill to create something like that.

There is a small correction to the graphic for the 82nd Airborne Division. As of right now, I have seen no indication that 2-508 PIR will redesignate to 3-325 AIR, although the closest thing I have seen to an official notice is the 2nd BCT webpage, http://www.bragg.army.mil/82nd/2bct/Pages/unitcontacts.aspx, which shows 2-508, not 3-325. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82redleg (talk • contribs) 03:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * thank you for appreciating my work; and thank you for letting me know of the error! I fixed it now. cheers, noclador (talk) 08:10, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

March 2014
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 * Do not re-add non-free media to User:Noclador/sandbox or you will be blocked. Werieth (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

RAF getting smaller...
No more no.12 squadron and 617 disbanded until 2018...

But time to clean up the grammar for those pages.

Phd8511 (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

new British Army units
Do you want to start pages for new British Army units? IE the ones created under Army 2020: 1st Artillery Brigade, 8 Engineer Brigade, 1st Military Police Brigade? Phd8511 (talk) 13:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Currently I am spending a lot of time working for Euromaidan PR in Ukraine and have little time to do anything else in my free time. Therefore I suggest that you please find someone else for now; best. noclador (talk) 18:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Just a suggestion, no pressure.Phd8511 (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Royal Signals Army 2020
Hey Noclador, you may want to construct a wiki orbat for R SIGNALs. Their 2020 ORBHAT is out:

http://www.royalsignals.org/files/Wire/PDF/13-14/Dec%2013%20Final%20for%20upload.pdf page 7 onwards

http://www.royalsignals.org/files/RSI/Journal/PDF/RSI%20Journal%20March%202014.pdf page 42 onwards

Cheers

Phd8511 (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

nl:NAVO-hoofdkwartier_Cannerberg NATO War HQ
Do we have any Dutch translators available? This deserves some attention. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of military units in the 2014 Crimean crisis
FYI. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

MILHIST A-Class Cross
G'day Noclador! I'm wondering if you would consider taking on another bit of design work for MILHIST? We have decided to extend the A-Class Medal awards with an A-Class Cross series. You can get a good idea of what we are thinking about at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators. Could you please have a look at the ideas and let us know if you feel you could put together some designs? We are looking for a new cross to replace the blue cross, but with the background features to remain essentially the same. Feel free to email me or get in touch via my talk page as you wish. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I checked and as I still have the original files we can do a new series of medals. The question is to first define clearly what needs to be done before I begin to design them. If you're fine with me doing a version with a new cross similar to the Cross of Valour (Canada) as mentioned in the discussion you linked above, then that can easily be done. How many new medals you need? All with the same cross? and just different colors? or also with different crosses? cheers, noclador (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's brilliant. So, we are looking at a series of four crosses, A-Class Cross, A-Class Cross with Oak Leaves, A-Class Cross with Swords, and A-Class Cross with Diamonds. All with an identical new cross (based on the Canadian one), but perhaps in maroon this time. Feel free to use thinner arms than the Canadian cross, as the thicker arms would probably cover most of the background features. What do you think? Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Will make a series for you too look at and then we tweak it. Will see if I can make it today, if not then over the weekend I will work on it. cheers. noclador (talk) 09:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

WW2 Italian tank stats
Hey Noclador, its been quite a while. I am hoping you can help. I am working towards improving the Italian invasion of France article and have hit a bit of a stump.

I have established that the Italians deployed two independent armoured regiments (the 1st and 3rd) during the invasion and that these were later supplemented by the Littorio division and apparently a tank battalion attached to the Trieste (although I am having trouble sourcing the latter battalion and was completely unaware of them having such a unit until a brief mention in a source I cannot use). Is there any chance you have information regarding the overall tank numbers thrown at the French during the invasion?

Regards EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am sorry I can't help you on that. I have no idea what units Italy fielded during the invasion of France and after checking my sources it looks like I don't know where to find more information too. Although I am wondering how the 3rd did take part in the invasion as it was the main armoured training regiment of the Regio Esercito. best, noclador (talk) 11:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your time. As for the armoured regiment, your comment seems about par for what I have been reading so far: practically every source disagrees with each other. I shall continue to carry on digging.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:09, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your ongoing support to WikiProject Military History

 * thank you Peacemaker67 :-) It was a work I gladly did. Cheers and let me know if you need any other help; noclador (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks again. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Grupo de Operaciones Especiales (Spain)
Multilingualness needed!! Would you please take a look at whatever's most relevant from the various language versions of this article and write a paragraph on what the Spanish Army GOEs are actually *for*? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Dispute_resolution_noticeboard
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Nomination of Order of battle of the Spanish Army in 1989 for deletion
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How do you create your Orbats?
I'm in the process of creating some fictional ones for a potential story I'm writing and would love to know how you make them. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 11:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I just use photoshop. I did start out with it and even though today illustrator would be a better tool nowadays I just stick with the program I know best. noclador (talk) 12:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Middayexpress
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WikiProject Military history coordinator election
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Portuguese Army
I had corrected your mistake last year, yet you changed it back to how you wanted. BrigMec (Brigada Mecanizada) was not disbanded and is an active unit in the army. Campo Militar de Santa Margarida was extinct as Military Region/Military District, nothing else, it was a decree by the government to end the old Territorial Command structure styles (there was 6). The Brigade still houses in the same place.

Its structure is still the same.  Nitronom (talk) 23:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, the AAA group (GAAA) is battalion size not company size. (The picture above show is as only 1 battery) Nitronom (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

-Engineer company in BrigMec is still there... and is its own unit under BrigMec, it doesn't belong to RE1 or RE3.

-There were rumors in a forum I was at that CTOE will move to another place from Lamego not yet decided, if any of your sources mentions it, please tell me. (Attention! I said they would be moved not disbanded!)

-The light blue color on the commandos in your OrBat image confuses people, change it to green as to how it was. They are Elite Light Infantry and aeromobile if needed. Not an airborne unit or related to the paratroopers. 

-The army's website is vastly ignored and not updated for a long time, with only "News" arriving on the frontpage and occasionally on a unit's page, it's not the best source to fish the Orbat from, as some stuff there isn't correct. Also I'd like to know the sources you got your stuff from if you don't mind, I'd like to go over them. One has proven to be completely wrong about BrigMec (White Paper or something? I found 3 different White Paper sites, none related to military). I doubt any will state the new changes in BrigInt and know that the Helicopter group (UALE) in BrigRR is just the unit taking care of Tancos with several subunits including the "ghost" GHE (helicopter group) which doesn't have any helicopters. Nitronom (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

4º Corpo d'armata alpino VS Italian Alpine Corps WWII
Hello again. Is this: the same unit as this:  ?. I dont think so, but my Italian is poor. Thanks Assayas (talk) 15:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * no, the first was one of three Italian Army Corps Commands during the Cold War, which was later renamed COMALP (from 1945- 1997 it was the 4th Alpine Army Corps). The 4th had 5 brigades and was tasked to the defend the Italian Alps against the Warsaw Pact. The other corps was a formation created in July 1942 with three Alpine Divisions as part of the Italian Army in Russia, which was destroyed in January 1943. The only connection between the two is that after the war the Italian Army took two of the division names (Julia, Tridentina), which fought to the last man in Russia and awarded them to two of the 4th Corps's brigades. noclador (talk) 22:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help.Assayas (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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Montenegro
Military Montenegro got new organization since 31 december, it has moved from brigade to battalion level of organization. So it would be nice if you could make new organization scheme for it, and edit wikipedia: I got official goverment document with new organization its on Montenegin, but i will translate:

Here is that document in jepg (five pages only): http://postimg.org/gallery/2ya15wrce/451ad286/

Now translation in English (only structure of units, i will write my opservations between borders):

1. General Staff - Podgorica (dont think its necesary to write down its sections)

2. INFANTRY batalion: 1. Command (HQ unit) 2. First infantry Company (motorised) 3. Second infantry Company (motorised) 4. Mountain Company 5. Fire suport Company (D30 howitzer, Plamen S MLRS, 120mm mortar) 6. Engineer Company 7. Signal Platoon 8. NBC Defence Platoon 9. Service Squad (I think this is logistic unit)

3.AIRFORCE - Golubovci Aribase (battalion) 1. Command (HQ unit) 2. Mixed Sqadron (Gazelle helicopters, Utva75 airplane, G4 airplane and Mi8 helicopters(last not operational)) 3. Support Company 4. AirDefence Company (Strela 2M SAM, Bofors 40mm AA Gun, Giraffe Radar) 5. AirBase Security Platoon

3.NAVY - (battalion) 1. Command (HQ Unit) 2. Patrol Boat 33 (Kotor Class Frigate) 3. Patrol Boat 34 (Kotor Class Frigate) 4. Training Ship "Jadran" 5. Auxiliary Boats Squad 6. Marine Platoon (SOF unit) 7. Coastal Surveillance Company 8. Support Company (Logistics)

4. LOGISTIC battalion 1.Command (HQ Unit) 2. Logistic Maintenance Company 3. Logistic Mixed Company 4. Logistic Warehouse Company 5. Medical Platoon

5.TRAINING Center (battalion) 1. Command (HQ Unit) 2. First Subcenter 3. Second Subcenter 4. Teaching Resources Service (servis nastavnih sredstava) 5. Shooting Range 6. Service Squad (Logistic unit)

6.Honorary gurad (Company; I think you dont need to go to detals for this unit) 1. Command (HQ Unit) 2. First Guard Platoon 3. Second Guard Platoon 4. Third Guard Platoon 5. Military Band

7.Intelligence-reconnassance Company (Former Special Operations Brigade) (SF) 1. Command (HQ unit) 2. Command Platoon (Commando Platoon) 3. Reconnassance Platoon 4. Technical Surveillance Platoon

8.Military Police Company 1. Command (HQ unit) 2. First Platoon 3. Second Platoon 4. Military Police Special Platoon (SOF)

9.Signal Company 1. Command (HQ Unit) 2. Stationary Signal (Comuniation, link) Platoon 3. Stationary Signal Hub Platoon 4. Mobile Signal Platoon

If you have any questions please contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CRNAGORAMNE (talk • contribs) 23:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Military of Montenegro
I put my suggestions for graphic yesterday, cheers :) CRNAGORAMNE (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well done! I did some small spelling corrections in the Montenegro Armed Forces article and how you edited the graphic is top. Just one thing - you should have uploaded your graphic over mine to have just one graphic and not two on commons. But that's a minor thing and just for the future. Cheers and good work! :-) noclador (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

4IBCT/4ID wrongly labeled 2IBCT/4ID
Someone in labeled 4th IBCT of 4th Infantry Division (US) as 2IBCT. 2/4 was deactivated. You can this for source: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/01/12/fort-carson-brigade-inactivates-two-inactivations-this-week-2nd-bct-4th-id/21651649/. I fixed the text. Please update your OrBat friend. Shovonma17 (talk) 20:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I know in all divisions the 4th brigades will take the number of a disbanded brigade to have in all divisions 1st, 2nd, 3rd brigade (except for the 1st, 2nd and 25th division - which will have two respectively four brigades). In other divisions this renumbering has already happened. Are you sure the 4th will retain its number after the 2nd is disbanded? noclador (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you please tell me the source of this. It may seem that way because the Army has deactivated the 4th Brigade of many divisions but I don't think any existing 4th brigade is taking on another number. If you have a source (article, official mil-site) that refutes that, please show me. I have friend that currently serves in 4/4 ID - and it is still that. Shovonma17 (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * as first brigade 4th/3rd ID is being reflagged this summer as 2nd/3rd ID & . Other brigades will follow over the course of fall and winter 2015 (at least that is the Army plan now). noclador (talk) 21:43, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

77th Brigade, formerly Security Assistance Group
Is set up with a wiki page that I'm trying to form as accurately as possible. Just thought you like to know.Phd8511 (talk) 09:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:War in Afghanistan (2001–14)
Would you mind taking a look at the merger discussion here? Would benefit from more views, I think. Buckshot06 (talk) 06:28, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Italian Infantry/Motorized Divisions in North Africa
Hi Noclador, i noticed you commented on the 17th Motorised Division Pavia talkpage that the division was an infantry division that was organized as a auto-transportable division. I have made a request to have the Pavia, 25th Motorised Division Bologna, and 27th Motorised Division Brescia articles moved to more appropriate naming. If you would like to comment, please see their talkpages.EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Is it possible that arise Military OrBat Graphics/Egypt?.--RabeaMallah (talk) 00:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, as soon as we get the data how the Egypt military is organized. noclador (talk) 22:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much clear that you have labored much I like you very happy existence with us, God bless you.--RabeaMallah (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2015 (UTC)