User talk:NocturnalFlesh

A tag has been placed on The Falling Skies requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Moonriddengirl 12:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. -- Finngall   talk  18:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Music Notability
Hi. I got your note on my talk page. I see that your article on The Falling Skies has been deleted twice by speedy deletion criterion a7 for failing notability. Since the articles have been deleted, I have no way to access the text as it was at the time the administrators decided to remove them. I can't say at this point specifically how they failed, but I can say that the primary guideline controlling articles about musicians and bands is Notability (music). That guideline sets out the sort of thing that Wikipedia editors look for in terms of notability when evaluating articles. Being influential on other bands or a local music scene may be sufficient according to "Criteria 7 for musicians and ensembles", but such assertions (like everything on Wikipedia) must be verifiable by third party reliable sources. All Music Guide qualifies; Myspace does not. An official band website qualifies only as support material if third party sources are available. It can't be sufficient to establish notability, since without back-up it can't be verified. (As for this part of your question, "If they can keep their pages, I was just wondering how they were able to do it"--sometimes its just luck. Wikipedia is a large project and it takes a while sometimes for editors to notice questionable articles.) In a nutshell, to make an article on a band that will survive, you need to be able to say, "This band is important because of these criteria, and these are the third party sources that prove it." The stronger your sources and the stronger the claim of notability, the better the odds. But even bands that survive the speedy deletion process may still wind up facing deletion. Coyote Bones, for instance. Do you have any third party sources to support an article at this point? I'd be happy to comment on specifics. --Moonriddengirl 19:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)