User talk:Noisetier/archive 1

Not assuming good faith
Hi, I wonder why you are slandering me across many user pages without contacting me first. I am not removing the name. This war consisted of two stages, the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine which lasted until May 14 1948, and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War after May 15, 1948. I'm just using the name of more specific campaign where applicable, instead of the broader name, in accordance to the sources. This is a simple matter of providing specific and accurate information. And if you have any problems with my edits, why not contact me? Marokwitz (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is your notification: Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. It does not need to be done by an admin. It is not acceptable to attempt to recruit people who you agree with simply because you do not agree with someone else. If I have misread the situation then it is great since you will then be happy to take it to the proper venues. If you need more clarification please do so but any attempts to circumvent standards in the topic area will be met with either a request to have you banned or tons of "fuck yous".Cptnono (talk) 06:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I take note of this, Cptnono.
 * This is your notification too : Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles.
 * I have the feeling that you are currently involved with some other editors in a team-work consisting of covering some pov-pushers by a diversion strategy.
 * Marokwitz is involved in an agressive campaign of pov-pushing on wikipedia. This is in complete contradiction with our standards. He made more than 500 reverts yesterday in removing the references to a specific article that he proved he WP:IDONTLIKEIT. In coming suddenly on my talk page, harashing me and used such a unacceptable vocabulary (see here above), you just try to upset me and to give me an image of bruiser.
 * You, your friends and your so-called enemies should not import on wikipedia the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Wikipedia is not the place for this. In proceeding that way, you harm both the encyclopaedia project and your own image, the one of Israel and the one of your community.
 * I hope you understand the consequence of you behavior and you can come back on a more appropriate climate.
 * NB: contacting good faith editors to notify them about what I consider to be a problem and to ask their mind about this is hopefully not an issue. Noisetier (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Noisetier, you are guilty of incivility, lack of good faith, disruption and personal attacks. What are these "our standards" are you talking about? It is your edits and canvassing that have clearly reduced the standards around here. If you have a lot of time on your hands, I suggest you find ways to use it constructively, rather than badmouthing editors who are dedicated to making Wikipedia more encyclopedic. --Yespleazy (talk) 08:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I take note of this, Gilabrand.
 * This is your notification too : Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles.
 * I have the feeling that you are currently involved with some other editors in a team-work consisting of covering some pov-pushers by a diversion strategy.
 * Marokwitz is involved in an agressive campaign of pov-pushing on wikipedia. This is in complete contradiction with our standards. He made more than 500 reverts yesterday in removing the references to a specific article that he proved he WP:IDONTLIKEIT. In coming suddenly on my talk page, harashing me and used such a unacceptable vocabulary (see here above), you just try to upset me and to give me an image of bruiser.
 * You, your friends and your so-called enemies should not import on wikipedia the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Wikipedia is not the place for this. In proceeding that way, you harm both the encyclopaedia project and your own image, the one of Israel and the one of your community.
 * I hope you understand the consequence of you behavior and you can come back on a more appropriate climate. Noisetier (talk) 07:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not implicate me in your ridiculous battles. I advise you to stop this badmouthing of anyone who criticizes your behavior. You have attacked me for no reason and I demand an apology. You are clearly spoiling for a fight. You are a new editor. May I ask what name you edited under before? --Yespleazy (talk) 08:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Gilabrand,
 * who is "spoiling for a fight" in coming here on this talk page ? If you respect me in answering to my questions first I will be very pleased to answer yours. And I really suggest you think about what I told you about the image this group of Israeli people gives to Israel and to your community.
 * Noisetier (talk) 12:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have every right to come to this talk page if I notice problematic behavior that needs commenting on. You don't know who "my community" is, but I certainly have a hunch about yours, looking at the long list of talk pages you went to, to recruit support for your infantile war. You have not answered me about your previous identity. I am waiting.--Yespleazy (talk) 12:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Gilanbrand.
 * What do you think about this ?
 * It is obvious that these people are not good for the project wikipédia but don't you think that these people harm the image of Israel and of your community ?
 * What is funny is that being aware of what was said helps very much to find them... Take nice nickname... Congratulate each other with nice "medals" on your user pages... Work as a team and cover each other... Who is infantile ?
 * Noisetier (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Noisetier, I think you should take a break. You are clearly losing it. I know who you are, and remember some good collaboration between us. Too bad you have stopped using your intellectual abilities for constructive purposes and joined the wikiterrorists. I had a good laugh over your conspiracy theories. Your imagination seems to be working overtime.--Yespleazy (talk) 05:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * For sure. But what do you think about this ? Noisetier (talk) 09:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up and conclusions of the discussion

 * Discussions between Marokwitz and Noisetier.

Email
Please check your email - thanks! FT2 (Talk 14:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Question
Hi, your behavior is quite atypical for a new user, (for example, participation in the Arbitration Committee elections, deep knowledge of various policies, canvassing specific editors based on their known views etc.) I noticed that you were recently asked this question and failed to respond. I wonder, did you use another username in the past? Marokwitz (talk) 05:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Marokwitz, the way you write this question shows that you, on the contrary, doens't understand most important policies.
 * The "known views" of people do not matter at all. Nobody minds them. What is important is the way they work here. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedic project. What matters is contributors ability to write articles in a fair English and to give all (most of the) points of views of the recognized specialists on a topic. The one they like, the ones they don't like; the ones they discover in their work, ... Reading your edits, WP:AGF is not possible. You are not here for that kind of work. You are here to defend the so-called "Israeli rights" and blame their "so-called enemies" as proven by any of your edit and your recent abuses : it is a funny great victory to have removed the links to 1948 Palestine war in all articles just to reduce its google referencing : as shown here.
 * I didn't "fail" to answer any question. There is no reason that I answer to questions asked to me if you guys don't answer questions they were asked just after coming on this page. You know, you can write "100 times" on this page that I would have canevassed anybody. That will not change facts : your edit history talks by itself.
 * What do you think of these people, their impact on wikipédia, the image they give of Israel ? Noisetier (talk) 09:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Your question at PhilKnight's candidate page
Please note that questions may be no longer than 75 words. In addition to being 221 words long, your question was unsigned. I have moved it, and the candidate's response, here, so you can reconsider the wording. You are welcome to re-post it when it is compliant.


 * 1) Question: Dear PhilKnight, the issue of the I-P articles was discussed here above. I have the feeling that one problem is due to contributors who think that npov means "giving both the Israeli and the Palestinian points of view" when in fact it means giving "all the admissible points of views from scholar and academic sources". Equivalent problems on other topics made some contributors think Citizendium was a solution. It proved false. But the current situation on wikipedia is not better. These articles, their titles, their categories, their deletarious atmosphere have a very harmfull impact on the quality of wikipedia in this area. Reports from outside wikipedia indicate groups gather and organise to influence the content of wikipedia. "Bad" (what means bad ?) editors understood the way to circumvene the "protections/securities" and learnt to use important principles such as wp:civil, 3RR, 1RR, AGF, WP:RS (from google) as "weapons" and not as principles to develop constructive collaboration. I think that all the editors who are here to develop an encyclopaedia would like to know what is the mind of the ArbCom on the way to solve this. My question is : could you give me all the solutions you think appropriate to try to bring solutions to this issue globally (not for specific case), from the most soft to the most coercitive ?
 * A: The various options were recently discussed at WikiProject Arbitration Enforcement/Israel-Palestine articles, which I set up and subsequently closed.
 * You are right. I had not noticed this. I wanted to ask this question to other candidates and I've just realized that if was not recommanded. So, we can keep it this way. Noisetier (talk) 09:57, 19 November 2010 (UTC)