User talk:Nonviolence

Re: Correct
The point I agree with you on is that MTV is unreliable. I base that not on the inaccuracy of this or any other information, but on a few factors around their personnel and consistency. The personnel issue I have is that for all intents and purposes they choose their correspondents, VJs, and all other staff based not on any expertise in the field, but rather how well they will appear and act on camera. They look for actors, not experts. The consistency issue I have is, obviously, that MTV is constantly inconsistent. MTV has a habit of saying something one week, and reversing their opinion the next. MTV also has a habit of jumping for fad to fad, furthering their inconsistency. You probably haven't noticed, but I've never used MTV as a source while I've been on Wikipedia. I personally would only used MTV as in source in the context of: "so and so from MTV said _____."

The first point I disagree with you on is that there are no reliable sources, or, to use your verbiage, credible sources. The idea of a sources credibility or reliability is based on their experience, education,and expertise in the area, the factor that separates MTV personnel from writers from such groups as Rolling Stone and All Music Guide. Another thing that can be used to establish reliability is the style of publishing. One thing that appears to add to MTV's inconsistency is that what they publish is not published in a permanently accessible form of media. We can go and read both physical and electronic copies of both Rolling Stone and All Music Guide. This permanent availability means that organizations such as Rolling Stone and All Music Guide have to stand by their opinion, rather than just being able to let it fall down the memory hole.

The second point I disagree with is Slipknot belonging to heavy metal. I think that you have narrowed the concept of the genre only to include a much more select group. The term applies to all sub-genres of Heavy Metal, which includes Nu-Metal, Slipknot's primary genre. Using your two term definition from the Slipknot Talk page, even the majority of the work by progenitors Black Sabbath is not heavy metal, because they do not have operatic vocals is most of their music, and in fact that majority of heavy metal bands did not use operatic vocals until the NWOBHM.(I assume operatic vocals is the term your looking for, since "orchestral vocals" is a non-existent term that would imply an orchestra of vocalists.) Using the definition on the article Heavy Metal, the only factor that Slipknot appears to lack is solos, the lack of which is one of the defining characteristics of Nu-Metal. Ideally, I'd list only the sub-genre Nu-Metal, but I will not do so unless I get a source saying such exclusively. I have some more stuff to say, but as you can see, I've just typed ALOT, and I don't want you to have to end up reading something that could rival War and Peace in length.--Wildnox(talk) 19:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Err maybe I will say one more thing. Since we are creating an encyclopedia, our job, whenever possible is to catalog and summarize information rather than write information. --Wildnox(talk) 19:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I see your point to an extent, but I think that Slipknot is closer to Heavy Metal than Hardcore. I'm surprised that you see Metal: A Headbanger's Journey as disgraceful. I understand not liking the inclusion of Slipknot interview, the mallgoth girl interview(I think it was Headbanger's Journey that had this terrible interview choice, I'm not sure though), and the mis-classification of Judas Priest, but other than that, I thought most of the documentary was alright. --Wildnox(talk) 23:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Please keep your comments to yourself. These bands ARE heavy metal, to me. They sure as hell ain't pop! Dark Executioner 22:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

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If you're the one who deleted the thrash-metal genre on Slipknot's 4th studio album, please stop. Jim Root himself said that he's going to play thrash-metal riffs on the album. If you want a source, you'd have to watch reruns of FUSE, cuz they interviewed him and he said that.Dark Executioner 21:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner