User talk:Noraft/Archive 6

For those having problems with the page size script
In order to help you, I need some information. Saying "I followed all the instructions" isn't enough, as sometimes people THINK they've followed them all, when they actually have not. So please answer the following questions when requesting help:

1) What skin are you using? The default skin is now vector.js Go to "Preferences" then "Appearance" and see which skin you have selected. Putting the page size script in monobook.js isn't going to help you if you're using vector.js 2) Be sure you've cleared your cache, and tell me that you have. If you skip telling me you've cleared your cache, I will assume you have not. 3) Please provide a link to your .js page, so I can look at it. For example, I use the modern skin. My scripts are at User:Noraft/modern.js.

With that information I can attempt to diagnose the problem. Post any issues you have in the form provided below. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 04:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Your Username

 * Link: (to your .js page)
 * Describe how you cleared your cache.
 * Anything else you'd like to say.

New copy editor
Hi Noraft! I saw your advertisement for the copy edit drive on my adopter's page, User_talk:PrincessofLlyr :) I thought I'd have a go at it.  Would you mind reviewing my first copyedit, Asymmetric multiprocessing?  I would really appreciate any feedback you might have.  Thanks for organizing a worthy effort!-- &#x03C6; OnePt618Talk &#x03C6;   06:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say that you write very clearly, and did a good job of making the text much more readable. I don't have any critical things to say. Good work! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 07:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Not such a question, but...
I don't really understand what I'm supposed to do after copyediting an article during the backlog elimination drive, so if you don't mind I think I might just use this event to just generally continue copyediting articles. Hope this is OK. Chevy monte  carlo  12:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * People post a tally of the articles they've copyedited. That's how we award the barnstars. If you need some more detailed help setting up your tally, let me know and I'd be happy to walk you through it. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010
Hi Noraft - I tried to to import the script on my monobook.js but think I didn't do something right. The directions say that subsequently, when I go to a random page, if yI look under the Toolbox menu on the far left of the screen there will be a link for Page size. There isn't. Help? Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:42, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm happy to help. Okay, so I took a look at User:Rosiestep/monobook.js and I noticed that the text is all green. That means the program isn't reading it right. I wonder if that's because the prior script is affecting it. I notice that your other scripts that come before that last one all seem to work fine. There's even one from the same user that created the Page Size script. I'd try moving the script up to where your others are. If that doesn't work, please write me again. We'll get it figured out together. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 01:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I moved it up but it still doesn't work. I'm open to any other suggestions... you can tell I'm not a techie. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I can see from looking at it that it is being read correctly now. Did you clear your cache after you installed it? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 00:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm having the same problem with activating the link for page size. I have followed the instructions, but the link has not appeared when I have visited different articles. I'd really appreciate some help - thanks! David Rush (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still not working on my end, and I don't know what to do next. I'm sorry for asking again.  Thank you.--Rosiestep (talk) 03:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know I'm not being addressed here, but I think I can help you out, Rosiestep. It may be because Wikipedia's been through some changes since the May drive, so if you haven't done so I'd like you to try switching out of the new changes and going back to the old. There should a link to deactivate the new features right by your user name at the top of the window. Click it and deactivate the new features. After that, try implementing the script again. Be sure to refresh the cache. That's how I run the script. Good luck.  The Utahraptor  Talk 21:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC) PS if you've already switched back to the old features, let me know and I'll give you a new set of instructions.

Backlog chart
Hi

I just updated the chart the noticed you did it a couple of mins before I did it. I was doing some redlinks I missed at the bottom of the page I was copyediting - I never want to see an article that big again lol- small ones for me for a cpl days :¬)

What is the UTC time that you normally do that - 01:00 or thereabouts ?

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 01:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Midnight UTC is 8am for me (in Manila), so I do it whenever I get to the office, which is usually around 1am UTC, but sometimes not until 3 or 4am. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 01:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!
I'm thrilled to see that the Cathedral made it to the featured list! Amandajm (talk) 07:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! Its the only cathedral listed. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 13:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Clarity on claiming articles
Hi

Sorry to bring this one up and I realise there may be fault from my part, but can you clarify whether it is necessary to claim the article being edited on the Drive lists or by merely placing a GOCE tag on the article page.

If you want to see why then it is here User_talk:Slon02

I thought that the policy was to claim the article on the Drive page and after that one had to start editing immediately.

If it is not the case and simply placing a GOCE tag is sufficient, I cannot see any need for the "working" note being placed on the Drive lists.

I am a little confused and bewildered by the events after losing an hours editing. I understand from the list that this article is the editors first large one and am hoping the matter can help clarify how the "claim" is to be made.

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 21:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC) PS Also looking at the diffs I believe my edits to have been better in some respects and would like to reinstate them without causing offence to the other editor.

I Have a Quesetion Concerning the July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive
I recently copy edited an article for this contest, and the article is about a band. After I finished my cleaning up and wrote it in on my credit area, I decided that the article had notability problems, enough for me to very likely put it up for deletion. What happens when there is a predicament like that? If I put the article up for deletion, is my credit still valid or will the credit have to be reverted if the page does gets deleted? By the way, the page in question is Kitrina Podilata. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 03:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You get credit for clearing the copyedit tag. So it doesn't matter if the article is later deleted. You still removed the tag, which means you still reduced the size of the backlog. Cheers! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 05:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Just a nice little note
I don't normally give out barnstars and don't plan to change that, so I thought I'd drop you a note to say that I was very impressed with your response to the user inquiring about adminship over on the RfA talk page. That displayed a great deal of thoughtfulness and a desire to help. Also, you've done terrific work with the GOCE backlog elimination drives. I have yet to participate, but I may sometime if there are any articles left. Thank you for making WP a better place!  PrincessofLlyr royal court 02:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why that's very kind of you, thank you. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 02:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

reminder
Hi! This message is just a friendly reminder that you signed up to participate in the GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive. I noticed that you haven't logged a single copy edit yet. We'd love to see you participate! The drive runs three more weeks so there's still plenty of time to earn barnstars. Thanks! -- Diannaa TALK 21:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heheheh, thanks for doing this, Diannaa. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about doing this, but then I received news that my cat may have ring worms.... :( The Utahraptor  Talk/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 00:19, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Most referrals
Hi Noraft, I am pretty sure that Mono wins the barnstar for most referrals (12) according to the tally posted here. I have verified the users have signed up. Thanks. --Diannaa TALK 14:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll award him shortly. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, as Mono confirms he got 13 to sign up. Do you have that barnstar in your desk drawer somewhere? Thanks. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 01:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao
Hi, I've posted St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao at the requests page, here. It's usually a good idea to keep track of the nomination in case editors have any questions or concerns about the article. One thing that should be addressed is that the blurb is a little long; Raul usually likes them to be 1200 characters or less. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats on Today's featured article/July 12, 2010 Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 20:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Noraft, I see the article featured today - great job! dtgriffith  [talk] 23:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, mate! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

C/E drive
Since I am relatively new to copyediting, could you (or one of more experienced copyeditors) check if my entries in our drive are correct? Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 11:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have made a correction to the way you posted the articles on the drive page. Do you want the articles themselves checked as well, or just the way you posted them?  Thanks for helping out by the way. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 01:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If possible, both - just so I am sure I am doing the right stuff. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 09:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The articles look good. I am glad you were able to get through World-systems theory and survived to tell the tale. :-)) Thank you for tackling this. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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Discussion at AN/I – editor 75.2.209.226 and socks
There’s an ongoing discussion at AN/I about editor 75.2.209.226 AKA Techwriter2B AKA ....

The Techwriter2B account is under indefinite block (resulting from the AN/I discussion in June), but he’s continuing the same behavior under IP 64.252.0.159 and a new user account (Filmcracker). There’s discussion of a community ban. Thought you might be interested. Best Eurytemora (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Shinan District
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Newsletter draft
Hi, Noraft. A few of us have been getting the halfway-point newsletter ready for the backlog elimination drive. If you have time could you check it over and send it out to participants via AWB? If you are pressed for time and can't help, let me know and we will figure something out. Thanks. You can find the draft here. -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:18, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like it to go out to everyone who signed up for the drive. I don't know if this can be done via AWB or not. -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As you can see, the newsletters were deliivered manually, thanks to The Raptor. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry! I was unexpectedly called out of town for about 24 hours. I just got back. Yes, that can be done via AWB, so I apologize I wasn't there to make that happen. I'll give The Raptor a barnstar. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 10:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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He's/She's back
Please see the message I have posted here and review the links in it. We really need to take care of this issue once and for all. Centpacrr (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Another backlog elimination drive...
Hi! Looking at the recent successful GOCE copyedit backlog elimination drive, I believe we can all day it was successful. I've noticed that there is another severe backlog that, like the copyedit backlog, also significantly takes away from the quality of the article. I have been attempting to eliminate some of the backlog myself, but progress is slow. Since you have experience in organizing such events, would it be possible for us to organize another backlog elimination drive for articles with a promotional tone? There currently is no group of editors dedicated to cleaning up that backlog, so a new group would have to be organized. Please tell me if you are interested. Thanks. Netalarm talk 03:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Backlog elimination
I've begun work, but I don't have a log section. Do I add my own? Also, what happens when I run into an article that is basically comprised of text that cannot really be salvaged?  Enigma msg  18:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, start your own. There are instructions to do so at the top of that section. In the case you mentioned, I'd ask another GOCE member for their opinion. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 11:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing. I installed the script but for some reason, ever since the layout of the site was changed, I can't get any of my special plugins to work. I full-refreshed, etc. Anyway, could you do it for this? Thanks,  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  15:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, could you fill it in for me?  Enigma <sup style="color:#FFA500;">msg  23:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive Wrap-up
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September drive
Hi, Noraft. There is quite a bit of interest in putting together a copy edit drive again in September. I was wondering if you would be interested in helping out again with the set-up etc? Please feel free to say no if you are not going to be very active on Wikipedia in the next while, as we have others who would be happy to help. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can set up a November drive, no problem. I just moved back from overseas to the USA, so have been busy, but my schedule will be clearing up in the next two days. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 17:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You said November but I said September. If you could clarify that would be great! We have already got a page going here. User:the Utahraptor is interested in helping out so he can have my spot on the committee as I will be gone from September 5 to 13. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 18:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, duh. Okay, September. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 19:56, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok perfect. Thank you! -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:06, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Another co-coordinator
Ocean Shores wants to be a co-coordinator for the September GOCE backlog elimination drive. Do you think we should make them one? The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 13:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did this person participate in the last drive? Right now we've got me, you, and two other co-coordinators. Do we need more cooks in the kitchen? Hey, actually, I have an idea. An area that was severely lacking was oversight. Nobody was spot-checking copyedits. Why don't we make this person the spot-check czar? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 01:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, they participated in the last drive. I'll let them know that they're the new spot checker. The Raptor  You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

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Barnstar

 * Very kind, thank you. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 18:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

GOCE drive decisions
Hi, we need to close the discussions on the GOCE drive soon and make our final decisions on the mechanics of the drive. In particular, we need to decide on the rollover rules. I have also noticed that the lifetime totals have already been implemented. This might be problematic for us in calculating any rollover credits as this number lumps together the totals of all drives. We need to send the newsletter out by 14 or 15 August (roughly 2 weeks before the next drive starts). Would appreciate your comments and votes (either way), as I want to close off all current discussions and archive them before we start inviting 300+ editors to participate. Cheers. - S Masters (talk) 01:15, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Newsletters
Hi, thanks for the update, but could you please consider sending the newsletters as collapsible templates like, in the way  that  most  other projects  do? (I have made the suggestion  before). Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 00:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't send out any newsletter. I suggest you direct this to whomever sent you the newsletter, as they are either the user who did the layout, or know that user. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 05:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have done; I  sent  it  to  you  too  because your name was on  it  as an author or contributor.--Kudpung (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Ocean Shores has resigned
Ocean Shores, lead spot checker, has resigned. Please visit the talk page of the September 2010 GOCE Backlog elimination drive and help me work out who will replace Ocean Shores as our lead spot checker. The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 17:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Re a certain "glaring mistake"
I must admit I was somewhat confused to find myself declared a "huge advocate" of AOR ;). In any event, I've now answered your RfA questions. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Our friend from CT is back and causing more trouble
Our friend from CT (Techwriter2B) is back and causing more trouble, this time in ANI here. I would appreciate your comments and/or assistance there. Thanks. Centpacrr (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. Thanks also for your questions - the second one in particular was actually fun to answer! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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Page size
I've tried installing this 5+ times and am at a complete loss. No link to the tool is appearing in my toolbox. --Danger (talk) 21:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's see if I can help. Which skin are you using? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 06:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Monobook. Thank you so much. --Danger (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks from the GOCE
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Goodbye and resignation
I am retiring because I have a lot to work on in real life. Due to this I must also resign from my position as co-coordinator. I understand if you're frustrated; we've already had one user leave. But I just want to let you know, retiring from Wikipedia is one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I've been thinking about retiring since the beginning of this month, in fact. I might return next summer, but I might not. Until that date, goodbye. The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 13:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Real life should always take precedence. Don't worry, we'll be fine here. I generally don't get frustrated over Wikipedia. Be well. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 03:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Copy edit request
Can you please Copy edit Family Guy as i am trying to get it to an FA status and stranded so your help would really helpful. --<font color="Orange">Pedro J. the rookie 19:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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GOCE drive has begun
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Huh?
I think I'm not getting it re: the word count script.......can you look at my page(s) to see if I did it right? I can't find the word count button when I look at random articles. thanks for any help you can offer. Buddpaul (talk) 18:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. Which skin are you using? The default one or a different one? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 02:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning up projects
Hi,

I've come across a number of projects/articles which require serious cleanups specially in terms of grammar and sentence construction. May I help out?

Regards,... Amartya Ray Amartya ray2001 (talk) 00:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go for it! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 02:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

BigDom's RfA
Hi Noraft - was your comment in BigDom's RfA meant to be in the Support section? Just wondering - the wording doesn't quite sound like an oppose. :) Connormah (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

BigDom RfA
Your comment in the RfA indicated support for the candidate but you listed your comment in the "oppose" column - it is currently oppose no. 3 there. Was that a mistake? Nsk92 (talk) 03:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I came here to ask the same thing. Please double-check and then you might want to move your !vote or clarify. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've moved it for you :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Martin. That was an error, and I don't know how it happened. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 01:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Question about backlog elimination drive
Hi there! I'm not sure where to ask this question, so I thought I would ask you personally since you seem to be the main coordinator of the drive. I would like to know to how to calculate the number of words edited for a particular article: Turkmen in Syria. I would like to merge this article with Syrian Turkmen (as they already have merge proposals on them), but I'm not sure how that works with noting number of words edited. Any advice you can offer would be appreciated. Thanks! --Tea with toast (talk) 14:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You do the wordcount before copyediting. Merges aren't part of the scope of the drive. If you like, you can copyedit both articles, and use the wordcount of both summed. If you get called on this, refer whomever is raising a concern to this talk page. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 01:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

GoCE drive questions
Hi, I started doing some copyediting last night, and before I get too carried away with myself, I was wondering if you could check over my work. I started with two short articles: Optic axis of a crystal and Ion Exchange Letters. Thanks for your time!Canada Hky (talk) 14:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. The same as Canada Hky, I'd appreciate an expert review of my first copyedit for the GoCE drive: Teodor Talowski. Many thanks. Tdslk (talk) 21:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Out of retirement
I thought I would let you know that I've decided to return to Wikipedia, only in a semi-retired state instead of completely retired. Life has somewhat settled down for me, and since I'm ditching pre-calculus I'll have a little more free time on my hands. The Raptor You rang?/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 02:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

spot checks
Does the presence of ✔️ means it was not done properly or that it passed? The section at the bottom of the page doesn't make sense in this regard; it mentions a consensus and having to redo stuff but not whether the template means there is something wrong or not or whether the consensus is a recheck after a request for a second try.  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  02:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A check mark means it has been checked. If there are problems, the copyeditor will be contacted. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 00:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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GOCE newsletter
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Research about virtual communities
I am doing a research about virtual communities for my doctorate. I would like to study how the members define norms for the community. I would appreciate your contribution for my research. If I agree to participate, I will send you the questions. Jmbbmj (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd be happy to help. I have a research background myself. If you could shoot me an email (look for the "email this user" link under "Toolbox" in the left-hand column), letting me know your name, institutional affiliation/program, and how you selected me as a respondent, I'd be glad to participate. Thanks! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 16:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

GOCEreviewed template
Hi Noraft - I am working on a sandbox "upgrade" to the GOCEreviewed template because I would like it to express the user and date of the review similar to the GOCE template. Please refer to the discussion at the project talk page. I would very much appreciate your input as a prominent copyeditor :) -Paulmnguyen (talk) 00:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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Huggle - dumb question
Hi, Noraft, hope all is well with you! I finally downloaded Huggle like you suggested way back in June. What fun! I love it. I have a dumb question, though. How do I get the log-on screen to appear? the programme does not show in my list of programmes installed on my computer. Do I just go to the Huggle/Download page and download it again every time I want to use it? Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is self-contained in a single file. I just keep the file on my desktop. Then double click and you're good to go. If you need more help, let me know, and I'd be happy to assist. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 20:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Bix Beiderbecke
Noraft, The reason I deleted that "legacy" sentence in particular is because it did not serve as a topic sentence for the section or the paragraph in the way that the next sentence does. It is indeed a sentence about Beiderbecke's legacy, but it feels added on to me.
 * Considering that the information contained in that sentence is valid, the sentence is in the proper section of the article, and it is properly referenced, citing a good source, I think moving the sentence to a better location is a preferred way to handle your objection than deleting it out of hand. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sentences you added elsewhere in the entry felt the same way; some of them were even out of place in terms of the time line of the material; at least one introduced a grammatical error; and in one case you referred to Beiderbecke's brother as Charles when the entry consistently refers to him as Burnie.
 * As you know, Wikipedia is a collaborative project. If someone adds information that could be improved upon, please improve upon it. I did the legwork to look the information up and add it. If you think there's a better way to integrate it, please feel free to do so. Specifically, put it where it belongs in the timeline, fix the grammatical error, and change the name from Charles to Burnie. Or ask me to do it. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not clear to me why this material needed to be added while the entry was being carefully reviewed for Feature Article -- doesn't that confuse the readers by creating new material to review?
 * I don't think timing matters. The FA process is such that the delegates will not fail an article because someone added some information that needs to be better integrated. They'd hold it open until it was fixed. And new information is added to FACs all the time after reviewers have !voted. It is up to them to continue to monitor if it is important to them. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Regardless, my objections then become a problem, because if I understand it correctly an edit war would disqualify the whole thing. Anyway, I've made my objections clear here, and I hope you know they are made with all due respect. Thanks. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I found the article, as written before I added to it, to be cold/sterile. There was little injection of the man into the article. What kind of person he was. A lot of what I added was to give readers that dimension. He wasn't just expelled for "absenteeism," he got caught climbing a fire escape sneaking back in. That's WAY more interesting and shows another side of him. The fact that he played piano first wasn't mentioned at all. The reason I added the material was so that I wouldn't have to oppose the nomination as it was written, with vague criteria as to what I wanted to see. And I added 4 or 5 good, solid sources which make the article more authoritative.

I think that you're coming close to saying "The article looks good the way it is and we don't need additional details." Maybe not exactly, but you're in that neighborhood, maybe a couple streets over. And your objections were received with all due respect. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 23:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to agree to disagree. Thanks for your response. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've edited the "Early Years" section of the Beiderbecke entry to reflect the following changes. I've done my best to defend those changes with explanations below. If you have concerns, please let me know. Thanks.


 * To discourage his interest in jazz,
 * [My concern here is that historians have begun to doubt this version of events. You cite Leonard Feather, who actually uses these exact words: "To discourage his interest in jazz, his family sent him to Lake Forest Academy …" But Feather did not know about Bix's arrest, an event that suggests, at the least, that his being sent away from Davenport was more complicated. Jean Pierre Lion puts it this way: "The reaction of Bix's father at the end of this disastrous year in school will remain unknown, and we have no information regarding his behavior during the April incident. He apparently decided that his son had to be sent away from Davenport and surprisingly, he left it to the women of the house to find a solution for his problem child" (p. 26). Lion, in other words, is suggesting that we don't know for sure why Bix was sent away other than it was his father's decision. I think that cutting the claim of why Bix was sent away (and not substituting a competing claim) makes the most sense.]
 * Generally, when sources disagree, a note is made that sources disagree. Something to the effect of "While historians have traditionally noted that his parents sent him to Lake Forest Academy to discourage his interest in jazz (Feather, p. ?) some historians have begun to doubt this version of events, believing that he may have been sent away in response to his arrest (Lion, p. 26)..." That's what I'd like you to do here, please. I'd do it, but if I do it, it may look like an edit war is beginning, so I'm giving you the chance to make the changes, since this article is going to pass very soon. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to do that. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * … Beiderbecke's parents enrolled him in the exclusive Lake Forest Academy, north of Chicago in Lake Forest, Illinois. They felt that a boarding school would provide their son with both the necessary faculty attention and discipline to improve his academic performance. It didn't work. Within a week of his arrival at school in September, he wrote his brother to report that he had already managed to make it to the South Side and talk his way into three different black clubs on 35th Street in search of what he called "real jazz niggers." "Don't think I'm getting hard, Burnie," he wrote, "But I'd go to hell to hear a good band."
 * [My concern here is that you cite Geoffrey Ward and then quote him very nearly exactly, too nearly in my opinion. Ward writes on p. 83: "It didn't work. Within a week of his arrival at school in September, he was writing home to tell his brother that he had already managed to make it to the South Side and talk his way into three different black clubs on Thirty-fifth Street in eager search of what he called 'real jazz niggers.' 'Don't think I'm getting hard Burnie,' he wrote, 'but I'd go to hell to hear a good band.'" I have an additional concern about Ward as a source; he gets the facts of Bix's arrest wrong and even mistakes the age at which Bix dies. These sorts of errors call his expertise into question, although I realize that is a judgment call. (No source is perfect!) Beyond that, though, the insertion of information about Bix working his way into South Side clubs comes before the following sentences about "taking the train into Chicago to catch the hot jazz bands at clubs and speakeasies." In other words, the insertion makes what follows redundant.]
 * That's probably my favorite line in the entire article, as it shows his passion and excitement about hearing authentic jazz while he was still developing. If you think the unquoted material is too close to the source, then make it a better paraphrase. If it is redundant to the next line, let's drop that one. I think this one is better: it makes Bix roll and have life. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I do think the unquoted material is too close to the source. It is very nearly exactly the same words setting up exactly the same quotation. I don't believe that's appropriate, and I don't believe it ought to be my responsibility to fix it. As such, I deleted it. Part of my concern here is motivated by the fact that during the GA review process, I was told that the article was too long and that I needed to trim, trim, trim. Interesting material could be added ad infinitum, but there comes a point where condensing is a good thing. Perhaps new articles can be written on Bix's early years or his playing style, etc. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I added a portion of the quotation in Ward to an appropriate spot in the paragraph. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that it is not your responsibility to fix it. Like everything on Wikipedia, if an editor sees something out of place, they can address it or not. That's the beauty of volunteering. However, you've put this up for FA, which means that just slapping a close paraphrase tag on it will be detrimental to your interests... but anyway, thanks for going back and editing.  ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * … Not surprisingly, at Lake Forest Academy his grades did not improve, and his interests remained limited to music and sports. In pursuit of the former, Beiderbecke continued taking the train into Chicago to catch the hot jazz bands at clubs and speakeasies, including the infamous Friar's Inn, where he listened to and sometimes sat in with the New Orleans Rhythm Kings. He also played regularly with the Ten Foot Band.
 * [This may be true, but I'm not convinced it's important. The NORK were an important band; the Ten Foot Band are barely a footnote. Their mention doesn't add to any substantial understanding of Beiderbecke.]
 * Fair enough. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * … [add: On campus he] He helped organize a band on campus [add: the Cy-Bix Orchestra with drummer Walter "Cy" Welge] and almost immediately got into trouble with the headmaster for performing indecorously at a school dance. He had also already begun to develop the "spare cornet" style for which he would one day be remembered.
 * [This last sentence strikes me as useful information that is misplaced. The sentences preceding and following are primarily about misbehavior, not about his musical style.]
 * If it is useful but misplaced, why don't you place it where you think it should go? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did. I was simply showing you the edits that I made. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * … Beiderbecke often failed to return to his dormitory before curfew, and sometimes stayed off-campus the next day. In the early morning hours of May 20, he was caught on the fire escape to his dormitory, attempting to climb back into his room. The faculty voted to expel him the next day, due both to his academic failings and his extracurricular activities, which included drinking. The headmaster informed Beiderbecke's parents by letter that following his expulsion school officials confirmed that Beiderbecke "was drinking himself and was responsible, in part at least, in having liquor brought into the School." Soon after, Beiderbecke began pursuing a career in music. While still at the academy, he formed the Cy-Bix Orchestra with drummer Walter "Cy" Welge.
 * [The information in this last sentence is out of chronological order. Presumably this is the band Beiderbecke helped organize on campus; it should be named above.]
 * Okay. So you moved it instead of deleting it wholesale, right? ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll forgive me if I've clogged up your talk page with this. In light of our disagreement above, my hope was just to be clear and fair with you about my revisions. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 14:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, no problem! My talk-page is auto-archived, and besides, I don't believe in the concept of "clogged" talk pages. I'm not too lazy to scroll. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, its looking pretty good. Couple things, which I'll separate so you can respond:. First, I thought you were going to move mention of the Cy-Bix Orchestra as you wanted it in chronological order. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did move it, but I forgot to erase the original mention of it. That's done now. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Second, this line: ''His grades did not improve, and his interests remained limited to music and sports. In pursuit of the former, Beiderbecke continued taking the train into Chicago to catch the hot jazz bands at clubs and speakeasies...'' bothers me a bit because of the use of the word "continued." It is my understanding that he did not start regularly going to the South Side until the proximity of his school provided him easier access. This version makes it look like first his grades were low, then he went to Chicago. My version, which mentioned that within a week of enrolling he was already in Chicago, shows clearly that his priorities were not academic, from the start. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That "continued" was a vestige of an earlier edit and has been changed. Regarding his grades, I meant his grades from high school. I have edited that part of the sentence out to reduce confusion. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Third, the "real jazz niggers" line shows a couple things: 1) it is a sign of the times; 2) it shows that he was consumed with finding organic, authentic, cutting edge jazz as it was coming into being. So I think the article is better with it included. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ward is not clear if the "real jazz niggers" comment comes from Bix's letter to Burnie. I do not have the proper books with me at the moment to double-check, but if memory serves, he made that comment in a different letter referring to riverboat musicians. Either way, it may have been a sign of the times that some people used that word, but people continue to use that word today. I'm not sure what it adds, although it will inevitably offend some readers and/or raise the question of whether Bix was racist. While I don't think that the possibility of giving offense is reason in itself for not using the word in a situation such as this, there ought to be some compelling reason. And because the article does not address Bix's attitudes toward race, I'm not sure raising the question makes sense in this situation. (By the way, there's no reason to think that Bix was, for his time, especially racist, but an interview attributed to him in which he spoke admiringly of African Americans recently has been shown to be plagiarized. Absent that, we don't know much at all about his racial attitudes.) Bottom line, taking out the "real jazz niggers" quotation solves the problem of needing to paraphrase Ward while preventing the problems I've mentioned above. I added this, instead, right before the letter quotation: "He also traveled to the predominantly African American South Side to listen to what he called 'real' jazz." It strikes me as a fair compromise. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for working with me on this! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Margo&amp;Gladys (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

MfD
Like I said on the MfD over at Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Don't-give-a-fuckism (3rd nomination), I'm not sure exactly what I said that was so rude it warranted a verbal slap on the wrist followed by a patronising "try leading by example". Maybe it appeared my comment was a little close to a personal attack? I could see that being your concern at a stretch, but your response was patronising and laconic -_- Delta Trine  Συζήτηση 16:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion
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What kind of previous trades are you referring to?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We traded on FA reviews. I did some theatre in Chicago or something for you, and you helped me with St. Michael's Cathedral, Qingdao. We did another one too, but I can't remember anymore. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 23:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Carlos Celdran
Hello! Your submission of Carlos Celdran at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize for not having better news and hope that none of my nominations at DYK are similarly troubled. Feel free to look any of them over.  If you do, please start with the oldest dates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I replied there. Its not an expansion. Its a new article, moved to mainspace on Sept. 30. ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 02:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Issues remain.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 15:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks good now. If you could look at my 9/26 Princeton basketball nomination that would be great.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 21:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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Invitation to edit
Hi. Thanks for your comment at Village pump (proposals). For your info', I've suggested at WikiProject Medicine that I start a single article trial in the next day or so. Anthony (talk) 11:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be very interested to see how it goes! Thanks! ɳorɑfʈ  Talk! 15:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)