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Ugye viccelsz?
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Norden, én adtam hozzá mert eléggé nagy káosz volt/van a nevével kapcsolatban, úgyhogy várom az elnézésedet, hát csak látnod kellett hogy én voltam...(KIENGIR (talk) 11:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC))

Bajnai
Kérlek ne cseréld vissza a képet, maga a szócikk alanya preferálja a másikat. Köszönöm (Zsofimagveto) —Preceding undated comment added 09:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Attól még jogsértő kép, ha csak nem tudod bizonyítani, hogy te készítetted a képet. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * A családom tulajdonában van. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zsofimagveto (talk • contribs) 09:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * De ez esetben a készítő személye a fontos, ő rendelkezik a jogokkal. Nincs esetleg a család birtokában egy sokkal jobb minőségű (felbontású) kép, ahol az egész fej látszik? --Norden1990 (talk) 10:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Andrew Báthory
A segítséged kérném. A GA review közben felmerült, hogy 2 képnek nincs jelölve az US copyright státusza. Meg tudnád nézni, mit lehet tenni? Előre is köszönöm. Borsoka (talk) 06:11, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Kész, mindhárom kép jogilag tiszta, nem kérdés (a reviewer az infobox képénél is sablonbővítést kért). Sok sikert a GA jelöléshez! --Norden1990 (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Köszönöm a gyors segítséget! Borsoka (talk) 07:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Re: Communist parties in Hungary
Hello! I just wanted to implement exact party color templates, and use variations of red to distinguish various "incarnations" of Hungarian communist parties. These are templates in question:


 * Template:Hungarian Communist Party/meta/color
 * Template:Hungarian Working People's Party/meta/color
 * Template:Hungarian Socialist Workers' Party/meta/color

Also, this template can be counted as well, since the party in question is the "successor" of the communist movement in Hungary:


 * Template:Hungarian Socialist Party/meta/color

I am really sorry if my work here produced any confusion, and I would appreciate to hear your ideas about this issue. If you want to change/correct colors at those templates, your are more than free to do that. My only wish here is to see them used in lists of Hungarian officeholders, in the same way as other party color templates are used in lists of officeholders of other countries on English Wikipedia. --Sundostund (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am very glad to see your response, and your appreciation of my work on lists of officeholders. I can say that I greatly appreciate your work as well, especially on Hungary-related articles... So, I will implement the color suggested by you (#FF0000) in the first three templates in question, and the fourth template (Template:Hungarian Socialist Party/meta/color) will have a separate color (I will probably just leave in place the one which is currently in use), since its a non-communist party. --Sundostund (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Picture of Rakosi
Also, would it be acceptable to you if we start using this improved pic of Rakosi? — File:Rákosi Mátyás portré02.png? I understand why you objected to File:Rákosi Mátyás portré.png, but this new version looks more clearer and maybe we can use it. --Sundostund (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Great! I will use this pic in relevant articles then. --Sundostund (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Arrow Cross Party color
Since I just created Template:Arrow Cross Party/meta/color, I would like to hear your opinion about the appropriate color for it. For its creation, I implemented the color which was used in the Arrow Cross Party article, but maybe you would have some other idea. --Sundostund (talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Sundostund (talk) 23:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Color of MSZDP
I don't mind at all - if you think there's a need to modify colors which I used for color templates, you are more than free to do it. --Sundostund (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Separate article for President of Hungary
I think there should be a separate article about the office of President of Hungary, in the same way as Prime Minister of Hungary separates data about the office of Prime Minister from List of Prime Ministers of Hungary. As you know, data about the office of President is currently within List of heads of state of Hungary, and I don't like it at all - it should be just a list, without data about the current presidential office... Maybe the article from French Wikipedia (fr:Président de la République de Hongrie) can be used as an idea how to do the same on English Wikipedia. --Sundostund (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. So, the most simple solution would be to just translate that article from French Wikipedia... Would you be interested to do that, or should I do it myself, once I have more time to dwell into that? --Sundostund (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't really want to reorganize the entire list of heads of state (I'm not dissatisfied with its current look), my only wish here is to remove data which specifically refers to the current presidential office to a separate article, and lift a "burden" from the list of heads of state (which is already done in the list of prime ministers). Maybe you could use the article from Hungarian Wikipedia (hu:Magyarország köztársasági elnöke)? I have literally zero knowledge of Hungarian language, and I can't rely 100% on Google Translate for an accurate translation. --Sundostund (talk) 19:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Great! And if I have more time, I will start translating that French article. --Sundostund (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I finally translated that French article, and created President of Hungary as a separate article. Now, List of heads of state of Hungary can be just what it is supposed to be – a list of heads of state (I already removed some content from there). Of course, if you see any need for changes/improvement/etc at President of Hungary, you are more than free to do that. --Sundostund (talk) 00:44, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Ban of Macsó
Azon gondolkodom, hogy írnék egy külön szócikket a macsói bánokról (mármint a macsói bánságtól elkülönült szócikket). Mit szólnál hozzá? Borsoka (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Rendben, és akkor a hivatalviselők listáját is át lehetne másolni oda. Megszerezted azóta az új archontológia-kötetet? Mert ha nem, szívesen segítek hozzáadni az 1458 utáni bánokat a táblázatba. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Köszönöm. Sikerült, de nehéz volt. Hiába, jó könyv. Borsoka (talk) 05:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Article for István Friedrich has been translated
Hi. I just finished the translation of the article for István Friedrich, as you requested on my talk page. SpikeballUnion (talk) 20:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hi again. I just finished the translation of the article for Károly Huszár, also as you requested. SpikeballUnion (talk) 00:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will expand it soon. --Norden1990 (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Reflist|4
Hi. Just letting you know that reflist|2/3/4 are all deprecated per Template:Reflist. If you don't know the best ways to format these are:
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Thanks --Jennica ✿ / talk 02:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, Thank you! --Norden1990 (talk) 05:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Battle of Wels
I create an article. You slap an infobox on it. I remove it. Then you have the temerity to simply revert me? Don't believe in BRD? "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article." There is no consensus for one here. There is no consensus that infoboxes should be standard anywhere. Srnec (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, you created an article (thanks), but you do not own it (read this), so I can freely edit it. Infobox for a battle is very useful to summerize key info (date, belligerents, commanders, result etc.) In this current situation, only the strength of force is unknown, which is usual in the case of medieval confrontations. --Norden1990 (talk) 04:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The first paragraph does the summarizing. Date, location, belligerents, commanders, result: it is all there in the first three sentences. What purpose is the box serving? I am familiar with WP:OWN, perhaps you neeed to re-read WP:BRD and WP:INFOBOX? Srnec (talk) 02:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Still, I do not understand your problem (first of all, you reverted my edit at first...). This infobox is useful as it summarize the key info. Thats it. --Norden1990 (talk) 07:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The problem is it is completely unnecessary and useless. Stop edit warring. Srnec (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is not useless, as contains date, location, belligerents, commanders. You reverted twice my edit, you should stop edit war. If you see the wars in this template, the infoboxes of those articles contain much less information. --Norden1990 (talk) 06:13, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Libercsey family
Hey Norden1990. Just a reminder, but when you make brand new articles, try to remember to add the associated WikiProjects to the talk page, so that other interested editors can more easily find the new article and help to improve it. WikiProjects can usually be found by visiting the talk page of a related article, so for example, on the Libercsey article, I visited Talk:House of Habsburg, where I found the Royalty and Nobility project. Otherwise, thanks for helping to improve the project, and keep up the good work! Timothy Joseph Wood 12:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for your remark. --Norden1990 (talk) 12:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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Dear Boleyn, I will develop the article within days, including adding inline references and four additional source. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Brilliant. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Herman
Ha jól sejtem erre gondoltál:

"This clan of Herman came with the Queen Keisla. They are free men from Nurumburg, poor in lands."

- Illuminated Chronicle

Borsoka (talk) 02:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * És ha jól sejtem, másodszor erre:

"The Hermány kindred originate from Nuremberg. They are of quite high nobility and came to Hungary with Queen Gisela."

- Simon of Kéza: The Deeds of the Hungarians

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Nazi collaborator categories
Hi,

I saw your revision regarding Szombathelyi, - as well checked the entire list the IP edited - what do you think, regarding Sztójay it is ok, or should be judged the same as for Szombathelyi?(KIENGIR (talk) 21:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC))
 * Sztójay was definitely a Nazi collaborator, one of the worst ones. --Norden1990 (talk) 04:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Jobb ez így
Miért nem hagyod, hogy elképzeljen téged, mint egy feketebőrű, görbe lábú béresivadékot? Még mindig jobb, mintha kiskorú lányokat vagy fiúkat zaklatna perverz üzenetekkel. Őszintén szólva, én tényleg nagyon sajnálom. Borsoka (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Borsoka és az alföldi balkáni putri kultúra
Mégis honnan tudod hogy én mennyit szerkesztettem, amikor majdnem minden cikkhez kreálok egy új nicket. Honnan veszitek hogy ti többet szerkesztettetek? Borsoka 2008-ban lett csak wikis, én 2006 óta szerkesztek itt különböző neveken. Nem hinném hogy nálam többet szerkesztett. Már akkor a Google Books-on kerestem referenciákat, amikor ti még nem is tudtátok használni a könyvkeresőt. JA, és ráadásul nem szaros adjunktusok és docensek referenciáit használtam (amiből minden országban Dunát lehet rekeszteni) hanem rendes egyetemi tanárokét. Szerintem ez a proli/paraszt sarjadék anno nem tudott bejutni a jogi karra, ezért az alacsonyabb pontszámú bőőőőőőcsísz karra ment. Itthon nem ment jól a sora -szülei nagyszülei primitív emberek voltak szakmunkás-tahók és/vagy alföldi paraszt/pásztorok leszármazottai - és kiment angliába gazdasági migránsként a nagyobb fizetésért. Sohasem lett volna képes elvégezni a jogi kart és a közgáz egyetemet. Dióhéjban ez Borsoka élettörténete.

Miért ne lehetne a Hungarians cikkbe belevenni, hogy az alföldiek balkáni származásúak a genetikai kutatások alapján? Miért ne lehetne belevenni pár alföldi balkáni eredetű népszokást? PL: lföldön a szerbeknél románoknál bolgároknál is divat volt, hogy a csecsemőik száját pálinkával kenegették ha sírtak, és attól mindig elaludtak. Vagy, pl: rábeszélték a család idősebb „hasznavehetetlennek” tartott tagjait az öngyilkosságra. Kereshetek hozzá komoly referenciákat is :)))

Alföld...mi jut eszetekbe róla a ronda lélekölően unalmas tájon kívül? Tradicionális társadalmi gazdasági infrastrukturális elmaradottságán kívül? az Árvácska c. regény világa, Móricz Zsigmond: Barbárok c. novellája, Brummog a bőgő asszony lett a lányból.... lenne itt bőven miről beszélni az alföldiekkel kapcsolatban.--Alsóbbrendű alföldiek (talk) 07:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry!
Sorry for my incorrect move! RileyBugz 会話 投稿記録 18:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve Ladislaus I Losonci
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Artúr Görgei
Szia, Görgei Artúr szócikkét egészítettem ki, de úgy tűnik, hogy a nagyon hiányos infoboxban nem lehet semmit sem változtatni, nem jelenít meg semmilyen változtatást. Tudnál segíteni? És kiszedni a források hiányára vonatkozó figyelmeztetést a cikk elől. Én gondolom, nem tehetem, mert nem vagyok felhatalmazva rá. Köszi. Egy másik kérdés: a 48-49-es szabadságharcról szóló csaták dobozában ott éktelenkedik a Transylvania (már a nevével is baj, van, mert azok a csatározások nem egész Erdélyben, hanem csak a nyugati csücskében történtek) szócikk, amely tele van román hazugságokkal. Azt nem lehetne valamiféleképpen eltávolítani a dobozból? Én egy időben az ezt tartalmazó Avram Iancu szócikken próbáltam változtatni a történelmi hűség érdekében, de mindent kitöröltek. Ha kell, akkor írok egy tárgyilagos cikket az Avram Iancuékkal folytatott csatározásokról, hogy azt tegyük a helyébe. Sylvain1975 (talk) 12:42, 02 August 2017 (UTC)

Szia! Remélem jól telt. Én egy hét múlva megyek. :) Köszi szépen minden segítséget. Valban, az angol nyelvzudásom nem a legjobb, egy évig tanultam a 8.-ban, akkor is sikerült megutlátatni magam az angol tanárnővel. Azért írok angol nyelvű cikkeket, mert fontosnak tartom, hogy mások is megismerjék a történelmünket, főleg tőlünk, és nem az idegenektől. A korom és az időm már nem engedi meg, hogy megtanuljak jobban angolul, én szívesebben tanulnék oroszul, ha lenne időm, mert professzionálisan is az lenne hazsnosabb. Jó, írok egy fejezetet a Görgei-Görgey névről is. Tervezek hozzá egy, az ütközeteiről és csatáiról szóló táblázatot, olyant, mint a Robert E. Lee szócikknek van, de elég nehéz minden ütközethez és csatához pontos létszámkimutatást (a csapatok nagysága, veszteségek) találni. Épp ma fejeztem be a térképemet a tavaszi hadjáratról. Sajnos egy kicsit túl zsufoltra sikeredett. Annyi jel, évszám és nyil van rajta, hogy nem tudom, érthető-e? Hátra van az útmutató. Az Avram Iancu cikkről beszéltem. Ha lenyítod a 48-as csatákról szóló infoboxot a csatákról szóló szócikkek infoboxai alatt, a többi csata mellet a 2. helyen Transylvania áll. Ha azt kinyitod, az Avram Iancu szócikkre dob át, annak a Conflict nevű fejezetére, amely tele van tipikus román hazugságokkal arról, hogy hogyan verte tönkre Iancu a magyar hadakat (pedig köztudott, hogy azok nem honvédseregek hanem félkatonai alakulatok voltak...), a harcban résztvevő csapatok számát is teljesen elferdítve közli, és természetesen mélyen hallgat a Iancu hordái által kiirtott több, mint 10 000 magyar nőről, gyermekről és fegyvertelen férfiról. És persze Kossuthot hazug demagógnak nevezi, ahelyett hogy megemlítené a világ első nemzetiségi törvényét, amelyet Szegeden fogadtak el 1849 július 28-án. Én annak idején ezeket be akartam írni, de kitörülték. Azt szerettem volna, hogy megkérdezzem, hogy nem lehet-e eltávolítani az Avram Iancu cikkre átirányító Transylvania címet az infoboxból?

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Counts of Somogy
Hi! I added a succession box for counts of Somogy at Dabiša of Bosnia, leaving most of it blank because I could not find the info. Could you fill it, please? I know you too like boxes! :D Surtsicna (talk) 16:49, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Done per Pál Engel's archontology (1996). --Norden1990 (talk) 21:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Norden1990 (talk) 05:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * A year ago, you were recipient no. 1714 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Artúr Görgei copy-edit
Hello, Norden1990 – This was quite time-consuming. You'll see from the revision history the many changes I had to make to put this into standard English. If you don't mind, I'm going to ask a military history expert to read through the article to see if he can make a few improvements and check the vocabulary. But I think the article is much better shape now than it was. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. – Corinne (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

See User talk:AustralianRupert. – Corinne (talk) 02:35, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your hard and diligent work. --Norden1990 (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you very much! --Norden1990 (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thomas of Bosnia and his son-in-law
Hi! I've already asked Borsoka about this, but we could not figure it out. The Venetian chronicler Marcantonio Erizzo, writing in the 16th century, wrote that two daughters of King Thomas of Bosnia married in 1451. One married a Hungarian nobleman named Stephen, who is supposed to have deputized the Hungarian king. Have you got any idea who could this Stephen be? Surtsicna (talk) 07:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hm, I tried to figure it out, but now, I think, the above-mentioned chronicle is not a reliable source. In 1451, Regent John Hunyadi de-facto governed the kingdom, while Ladislaus V was regarded as minor. Until late 1452, he even resided in Frederick III's court, so technically there was no Hungarian king since 1444. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Csány
Jól sikerült a Csány! Igen sok munka van benne.

gratulálok! :)

Alázatos szolgálja --Farkasven (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Köszönöm szépen. Sajnos a 16. sz. utáni állapotok továbbra is homályosak, de amit lehetett, azt összeszedtem. Minden bizonnyal Csány László volt a család legutolsó sarja. --Norden1990 (talk) 16:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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It's ugly. For Hungarians, but beautiful fo Slovaks.
https://spectator.sme.sk/c/20045597/square-in-madagascar-named-after-slovak.html https://www.webnoviny.sk/na-madagaskare-stoji-namestie-morica-benovskeho/ It's ugly. For Hungarians, but beautiful fo Slovaks.

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Javítás (Fix)
Szia! Köszönöm hogy kijavítottad a cikket. Láttam hogy te is magyar vagy, én is magyar vagyok, és én is tudok angolul! További szép napot és szép szerkesztést kívánok neked! --R3GZ54 (talk) 17:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Jobbik
Just a head's up, you are on the limit on 3RR yourself on this article; I see no vandalism, BLP violations or other exemptions, so please do not revert the IP but start a talk page discussion or you may well be blocked yourself. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:27, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve Job, Archbishop of Esztergom
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Is this a thing now? 'Cause I normally see family members listed on the surname page.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:25, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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Rezső Nyers
Hi Norden1990. Rather than revert your restoration of uncited material on a living person, I wanted to stop by and ask what you feel the benefit of adding a template to the uncited information in the Rezső Nyers article would be? The information that was removed from the article was uncited since you created it - nearly eight years ago. That is more than enough time to cite POV statements like "The inclusion of Nyers, the architect of the NEM, gave the reformers a large measure of credibility" and "After the failure of the reforms (because of the orthodox Marxists' strengthening), he largely went into eclipse." You've also re-inserted uncited material on his non-notable family members (the personal life section), which treads into WP:BLPNAME category. I admit that sometimes I am overzealous when it comes to removing material on the basis of WP:BLP, but here I do not feel that that is the case here. The examples above I think qualify as information that should have been cited within the last eight years and I left enough alone that I think it indicates I took a critical eye towards what is contentious and what probably is not.

As you are a long-term editor, I assume good faith and want to understand your thinking here more than your edit summary could divulge. But as an administrator, it is among my responsibilities to take WP:BLP very seriously, and in this case I do not see the benefit of merely adding a template to material that has remained uncited for the better part of a decade. It could always be re-added with proper citations. Canadian  Paul  15:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * About family members: Rezső Nyers, Jr. was Managing Director of the Hungarian National Bank, he is a well-known economist in Hungary. Your statement is false, the article is well-sourced, based on mainly three biographies (see Sources sections). So your problem could be the limited number of citations, but nothing more. --Norden1990 (talk) 08:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)


 * You didn't answer my question. You reverted my edits claiming that I should add citation needed templates instead, and I asked what benefit that would bring when that material hasn't been cited for eight years and you were the one who added it in the first place. Regarding your other comments, by removing the material did, I was challenging the material as contentious and POV per WP:BLP, which means that it requires a proper citation, not for the reader to sift through three different sources listed at the end of the article to find out where it might be located. Per the policy, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." I assume good faith that it is among the general sources, hence why I did not remove material that I felt was not contentious, but the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth and it is the onus of the individual who adds the material to ensure its verifiability, again per WP:BLP. So yes, my problem is the missing citations, but I see no reason to add a template given how long it has already remained uncited and when removal of the material is the prescribed course of action. Canadian   Paul  18:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I answered your question: the article is well-sourced, there is no reason to delete sections from the article, especially without discussion. But I will add more citations into the article to avoid further misunderstandings. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, statements like the ones noted above require direct citations. Since those statements have lacked direct citations for eight years, it was absolutely appropriate to delete those sections based on WP:BLP. Adding citations to the material, however, would satisfy my concerns regarding WP:BLP and would prevent future removal of the material. Canadian   Paul  18:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As it has now been over a month, which in addition to the previous eight years this remained uncited, is more than enough time to add a few inline citations, I have removed the material once again. Please do not re-add it unless you provide inline citations to reliable sources. Failure to do so could be considered a disruptive violation of Wikipedia's policies on the biographies of living people. Canadian   Paul  14:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Győr
Elnézést, de valami miatt elfelejtettem válaszolni. Borsoka (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC) "The next to come was Pot of Lébény, also known as Ernest. he entered Hungary with many warriors. Count Conrad of Altenburg traces his origins from him."

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"The clan of Poth is descended from the Emperor (sic!) Conrad of Altinburg, and he came to Pannonia in the time of King Salomon, son of King Anreas. At this time he was called Hernistus, but received the name of Poth because he acted as messenger between the Emperor Conrad and the Kings Andreas and Salomon. In the German language Poth has the same meaning as the Latin nuntius."

- Illuminated Chronicle

Köszi! --Norden1990 (talk) 11:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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But ther was the permittion, and by the other photos too!!! http://www.valasztas.hu/impresszum It is stated by the owner, that it is free to us with marking the source.... "A Nemzeti Választási Iroda honlapján található információk változtatás nélkül, a forrás megjelölésével szabadon felhasználhatók." Translate it you stpd cnt!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalteneckerpeter (talk • contribs) 21:59, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Nembeli
Hi, I noticed there is an inconsistency with articles for persons A nembeli B: Paul from the kindred Balog vs. e.g., Marcellus Tétény. IMO must be renamed, see. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can rename the Paul from the kindred Balog article to Paul Balog. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I am curious why didn't you do it yourself? Staszek Lem (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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Azt írtad, hogy Kán László nem az Apor családból való volt. Ismersz forrást, melyik ezt kifejezetten bebizonyitja? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.15.244.19 (talk) 05:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Karácsonyi János: A magyar nemzetségek a XIV. század közepéig II. kötet, vagy akár Kristó Gyula: Kán László és Erdély. Bár annak idején valóban sokat vitatkoztak László vajda származásáról (egyesek pl. a Borsa nemzetség tagjának tartották), ma már bizonyos, hogy a Kán nemzetség feje volt. A genealógiai táblát 1908-ban Wertner Mór tisztázta. Az Apor család korai (14-15. sz.) származási táblája megtalálható Engel digitális genealógiai táblázatában is, amelyben szintén nincs kötődés az egykori erdélyi oligarchával. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:16, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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Básztély (genus)
Hello. I think you've misnamed your new article on Básztély (genus), but I don't know what it should be changed to. It clearly doesn't relate to a genus of animals or plants, so seems rather confusing as it stands. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hungarian clans were called genus (pl. genera) in medieval texts. --Norden1990 (talk) 11:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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Képes Krónika
Helló. Elég hosszú a szöveg (egy teljes oldal). Meg tudnád mondani, melyik részeket másoljam? Borsoka (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Módosítások visszavonása a Jobbik szócikkénél
Miért vontad vissza a módosításokat a Jobbik szócikkénél? Minden változtatást hivatalos forrással támasztottam alá, enciklopédia esetén nincs helye személyes vélemény javára elnyomni az objektivitást, márpedig te ezt tetted. Más okot nem igazán tudok elképzelni a visszavonásra, az amit végrehajtottál az közönséges vandalizmus. Amennyiben mégis volt más oka, úgy kérlek írd le, és jussunk dűlőre, mert jelen állapotában az angol Wikipédia hazudik az olvasóknak, ami azon túl, hogy etikátlan, egy enciklopédia esetén komolytalan is. --3133X (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * A Wikipédia elsősorban független forrásokkal operál. Te a Jobbik programját jelölted meg forrásként, ami nem feltétlenül baj, de kizárólagosan nem lehet alkalmazni. Attól, hogy esetleg van környezetvédő pontjai, a Jobbik még nem lesz zöldpárt. Elég nonszensz. Eco-szocialista meg aztán végképp nem. A Jobbik releváns, mértéktartó források szerint továbbra is egy szélsőjobboldali/radikális jobboldali párt. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Köszönöm a választ!

Értem az érvelést, de a főbb ideológiai pontok felsorolása mi alapján történjen, ha nem program alapján? Azt külső forrás nem tudja meghatározni, az egy tisztán belső kiáltvány és állásfoglalás. Amennyiben a programot nézzük, akkor minden felsorolt elem helytálló. Nyilván a propagandaforrások elvetendők abban az esetben amikor például egykoron bizonygatták magukról, hogy nem szélsőjobboldaliak, csak nemzetiek és egyéb szartépések.

Az, hogy programjában erősen hordozza a zöldpolitikát, attól még valóban nem lesz zöldpárt, viszont onnantól az egy főbb elem, hogy nem pusztán megemlítik, de teljes pontot szánnak rá. A zöldpolitika magyarán csak akkor sorolható fel, ha egy párt csak ezzel foglalkozik?

A turanizmussal mi a helyzet? Az utóbbi években a Jobbiknak mégis milyen turanizmussal kapcsolatos megszólalása volt? Programjukban sem szerepel, Kurultájon sem képviseltették magukat. Az anti-globalizmus szerintem soha nem volt szilárdan meg, mostanra viszont végképp nincs, globalizációkritikusak, de nem anti-globalisták.

Az euroszkepticizmus sem állja meg a helyét mikor nemrég még a bérunióért gyűjtögettek. Az ultranacionalizmus sem aktuális már legalább 2, de inkább 4 éve, lassan már a nacionalizmus is teljesen kiveszik a kommunikációjukból.

Ezek jelenleg olyan felsorolt pontok amik nem állják meg a valóság próbáját, és az euroszkepticizmus esetén egyenesen ellentmond a néppárti Jobbiknak.

Ökoszociális gazdaság is szerepel a programjukban, arra is hivatkoztam. Azon túl, hogy a Jobbikot a médiából is sokszor baloldalisággal vádolták gazdaságilag, maga a párt is szociális, nemzeti néppártként hivatkozik önmagára, és a gazdaságpolitikai tervük is egyfajta szociáldemokrata felfogást követ. Progresszív adórendszer például egyenesen szembemegy a jobboldali gazdaságpolitikákkal, az arányos újraelosztás szintén, a szociális háló erősítése szintén, a multik nagyobb teherviselése szintén baloldali elem. Ezért tettem pont oda, hogy syncretic politics, azon túl, hogy a harmadik utasságot vallja a Jobbik alsó hangon 2006 óta, még a gyakorlatban is jelen van.

Az un. mértéktartó források szerint is a Jobbik moderálta magát, igény esetén erre felmutathatok forrásokat, de akkor ugyanezen alapon akkor a Fideszt határozzuk meg szélsőjobboldaliként, miután már a nemzetközi sajtó jelentős többsége ezt teszi és még az EP is így vélekedik? --3133X (talk) 19:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Csak egy másik megvilágítás: A Görög Hajnal egy programjában sem szerepel, hogy neonácik vagy újfasiszták lennének: mégsem kételkedik egy nemzetközi kutatás sem abban, hogy azok. Ma már valahol minden valamit magára adó párt ír valamit a környezetvédelemről. Ettől még a Jobbik nem képvisel zöldpolitikát. Hovatovább, a paksi bővítést is megszavazta, hogy egy példát említsek. A teljesen átlagos szociális programjuk pedig ma már egyáltalán nem bal- vagy jobboldali, hanem minden párt által képviselt tézis (Magyarországon nem létezik gazdasági értelemben jobboldal). A Jobbik szerintem is moderálta magát, ezt nyugodtan meg lehet jeleníteni. A turanizmus, vagy ultranacionalizmus szerintem soha nem is volt mérvadó. A többi azonban továbbra is releváns (még az euroszkepticizmus is). A Fidesz más tészta. Mindennek dacára továbbra sincs elkönyvelve szélsőjobboldalinak. Hiszen még a EPP tagja. Az, hogy a személyes véleménye kinek mi, más kérdés. Szerintem a Fidesz egy ideológia nélküli bűnszervezet, amely kleptokráciát épít, de nyilván nem fogom ezt beírni az infobox-ba, pedig arra is lehetne találni forrást. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Az Arany Hajnal esetén a családfavizsgálat és emlékeim szerint a gyilkosságok egyértelmű bizonyítékokat szolgáltattak a fasizmusukra. :) Viszont ott egy hozzáadott, nem elvett ideológiai elemről van szó. Jogos a zöldpolitikai észrevétel, annyira mélyen nem követem a Jobbikot, csak szemet szúrt a szócikk elavultsága, és próbáltam sorban összeszedni azokat amik központibb helyett foglaltak el a programban. Gazdasági jobboldal valamennyire azért jelen van Magyarországon, Momentum, Liberálisok, de a Fideszt is inkább idesorolnám, miután teljesen leépítik a szociális rendszereket, az más kérdés, hogy korrupciós és hatalmi megfontolásokból. Viszont akkor mit lenne érdemes feltüntetni gazdasági irányvonalként a Jobbiknál, hogy ne azt a képet sugallja a szócikk -- önhibáján kívül --, hogy ideológiailag echte jobboldali párt? A mérséklődést milyen formában érted, hogy meg lehet jeleníteni? Sima right-wing, ultranacionalizmus és turanizmus nélkül? A harmadik utasság feltüntetésének van értelme, vagy felesleges sallang? --3133X (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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please check on the recent edits and their validity of the following articles regarding the Coat of Arms and symbols:

- Coat of arms of Hungary

- Árpád dynasty

- Principality of Hungary

the other issue is that a user started to introduce the term of the Old-Slovak designation for people (from the 8th century) and Old-Slovak language (from the 10th century), that seems fringe:

- History of the Slovak language (here is as well a Slovak source added that I cannot read it properly, please verify and supervise it's content)

- Bojná (Old-Slovak people)

- Palatine of Hungary (here an alternate origin theory is added, with such reference: ...??

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Please see this AE request. Cealicuca (talk) 16:14, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Lol. I have no time for this idiocy. --Norden1990 (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hihetetlen ez a fazon! Ki sem kell lépnie az utcára ahhoz, hogy átrobogjon rajta a déli gyors. Pedig dolgozott, mint a güzü, hogy összehordjon minden apró potyadékot. Alapvetően sajnálom. Egy ismerősöm egyik szomszédja meg volt győződve arról, hogy úgy mérgezik, hogy autókat szerelnek a felette lévő (3. emeleti) lakásban és olajat szivárogtatnak hozzá. Többször kihívta a rendőrséget mielőtt elvitték és mókamiki tablettákkal tömték meg, hogy kiüljön az állandó békés mosoly az arcára. Borsoka (talk) 18:00, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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 * I have no problem with these edits. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:48, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

köszönöm
Dear Norden1990! Can you make an article about Hungarian Russian movie Fizetés nélküli szabadság (Отпуск за свой счёт) 1982 and find Hungarian poster? Köszönöm (Thank you)! —-178.67.182.121 (talk) 20:13, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * I will expand the article in the following days. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:34, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Benedek
Bishop Benedict ... collected a sizeable army on the king's command and was about to march to his aid when he heard that the Tatars had destroyed the city of Eger... . Encouraged by the fact that he had a few days before attacked and defeated a minor group of them, he dismissed the troops and pursued the Tatars in order to recover bits of it lest they be lost. The Tatars, foreseeing that, feigned retreat and halted. Because they had many horses but not enough men, they devised and arranged this: they made pupets and many monstrous figures which they sat on the riderless horses as if they were warriors; then they lined up the horses at the foot of a hillock with some servants. They ordered that when they engaged the Hungarians in battle, the servants should lead the horses in battle line marching slowly towards them. They waited on the plain for the Hungarians. When these arrived, ispán Both and a few others ... who were in the bishop's retinue, dropping the reins of their horses fought with them a tough battle. Since the Tatars were fewer in numbers, they feigned retreat and began to move towards the hillock. Then, when the ghost riders appeared from below the hill in battle line, as planned, the Hungarians thought that they had fallen into a trap, turned around and ran away fast. The Tatars now turned around, pursued them, struck them down and slew them, committing as much cruelty as possible. The bishop, however, returned with a few men to [Várad], stayed there a while to collect some troops, then crossed the Danube and escaped. [Master Roger's Epistle (ch. 27), pp. 179, 181.]

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George Martinuzzi
Hi,

an IP added an information about Hungarian ancestry, I updated it with a better source. You may check it, and expand or improve it. Especially I don't know yet if Fráter from Dobra genus is the best way to say it, but you dealed many article including genus, so it's up to you from now on.(KIENGIR (talk) 10:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC))
 * I agree with your edit. --Norden1990 (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Košice
Hi,

check this edit, in the talk the user claims that number is for all inhabitants, not just Hungarians, and deleted from the long standing version...did not provide inline citation that I asked, couuld you verify it?(KIENGIR (talk) 13:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC))

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Heder
"..., Volphger, who was descended from the counts of Hemburg, came with his brother Hedricus from Alemannia with three hundred armed horsemen, to whom Duke Geysa made a gift of Mount Kyscen and an island in the Danube near Iaurinum that he might dwell there for ever; here he built a castle of wood, and on the same mountain he founded a monastery, where he is buried. From him and his brother springs the clan of Heder,"

- Illuminated Chronicle

"... Wolfger and his brother Hedrich come to Hungary from Wildon with forty knights in armour. Wolfger was given Mt. Güssing to settle in. There he built a wooden fort, and later a monks' cloister, where he was buried after his death. The Héder descend from him."

- Simon of Kéza: The Deeds of the Hungarians

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Thank you! --Norden1990 (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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