User talk:Noroton/Archive December 2007 to early April 2008

Thank you
I really appreciate you looking over some of the sites that Art and Social Issues should be added to. I have a list and would like to add it to all of them, but I am realizing that it might be an issue... ArtandSocialIssues (talk) 14:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks
It is appreciated. :-) Double Blue  (Talk) 04:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom.

 * ...that the phrase Dental Hygiene is credited to Alfred Fones who founded the first school and whose cousin was the first qualified dental hygienist? by Noroton OK? It should be on the front page in 3-5 days. Are there any relevant photos? Victuallers (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Lynn valley elementary
I didn't delete Lynn valley elementary, User:Od Mishehu did; it clearly says that at the top of the AfD discussion page. Since I'm not an administrator yet, I can't actually delete pages. All I did was place a speedy deletion tag on it, and an admin deleted the page because it seemed to meet the criteria for speedy deletion (see WP:CSD). The page did not assert notability (see WP:N), so I felt that it was a valid candidate for speedy deletion. As for the page being deleted in only 90 minutes, let's just say they call it speedy deletion for a reason.

Deletion discussions at AfD are supposed to be closed after a page has been deleted. Since User:Od Mishehu deleted the page but forgot to close the discussion, I did it for him. Again, I did not actually delete the page in question. If you think that the page shouldn't have been deleted, please feel free to take it to deletion review, and/or talk to User:Od Mishehu. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's okay, you just made a simple mistake, and I can see how you would think to ask me since I'm the one who closed the discussion. I would recommend checking the deletion log next time, as it shows which admins have deleted which pages. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ron Smith
Hi. Don't you think Ron Smith is an authority on the subject (The Best American Poetry 2003)? If he's good enough to write reviews that are quoted in and linked to from wikipedia, maybe it's just a matter of time before an article on him appears. A redlink in the mean time is no big deal. They're harder to find after the article has been created. Regards, LarRan (talk) 18:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha Ha! Did you come up with all that info just like that? Well done - no, I mean brilliant! LarRan (talk) 21:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Gee, now I know why wikipedia is growing. LarRan (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I more or less guessed that it would have to be someone close. Well done all the same. LarRan (talk) 21:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

List of mammals
Lists of organisms use "of" (on a broad scale. I haven't taken the time to move the IUCN bot-generated country "in" lists yet), be it birds, plants or mammals. See Featured lists for examples. Circeus (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I take Featured Lists as a basis for the names, and the fact that organisms overall are in "of". The only reason that lists in Category:Regional mammals lists mostly have "in" is that they were generated by bots (from the IUCN red list data) into these improper names and nobody has had the courage yet to mass move them to their proper location. As you can see, all the organism featured lists use "of", except for bird of subnational entities, which use a "List of foo birds" format (I'm not sure why, though). Circeus (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Those are Prods, not Speedies
Not that it matters, but those were prod tags, not speedy deletion tags. AnteaterZot (talk) 03:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Category entries
Hi, thanks for plugging the mountain articles I wrote/edited into local categories. If you're interested, a complete list of thse features can be found in Metacomet Ridge with indication of what town they are in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgagnon999 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I'm too humble to nominate any of my own articles. As for the cacti. . .I came across them a few years ago & assumed that they had been planted there as someone's idea of a weird joke. . .but then I found out that they grow as far north as Cape Cod, the northern limit of their range. They're also listed in the recent inventory done by the NPS for the Metacomet Ridge. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Added images to your List of mammals of Connecticut. Again, thanks for all the cat. work you've been doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgagnon999 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the rest-stop you are referring to is the one that abuts the north side of Higby Mountain. Just north of Meriden? That has to be it. Your next exit, #20, should take you to Country Club Road, quite close to the trailheads for north Higby and Chauncey Peak. be well, --Pgagnon999 (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for working hard to get the Metacomet Ridge article featured. I've been plugging away at it too, as has User:Ken Gallager; keep your fingers crossed. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Since it's already posted on the nomination board, it can't be posted on the peer review board at the same time. I say, let's leave it up there & wait to see what kind of response ite generates. It looks like it's in good shape. User:Ken Gallager went over it, and he tends not to miss much. If it crashes and burns, it can always be posted to the peer review afterward. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
Hi, I wonder if you would share your views here, please. TerriersFan (talk) 03:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nowlin Middle School
Hi, I wonder if you would revisit Articles for deletion/Nowlin Middle School please? The article is still rubbish but an amazing range of sources has been found by DoubleBlue. TerriersFan (talk) 20:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A quick note
I was still updating the nomination for Musicals by nationality when you voted. The nomination has been updated and I don't want to be accused of deceiving anybody so if you could, take a quick look at the nomination again here and double check that you wanted to vote for it! Thanks! -- omtay 38  01:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The First Cathedral
I don't have any other contributions to wikipedia other than The First Cathedral and its directly related articles, even those I've had to fight from being deleted. it just seems like its not meant to be.

suggest Merger not deletion
Hi Noroton -- You notified me that you had tagged Connecticut Hall (Yale University) for deletion because it duplicated Connecticut Hall. Thanks for identifying the duplication. They should be merged. You can see that there are references in the tagged one that are not in the other. I or the authors of the other page could merge the material, assisted by a merge tag on one or both places. So please put a merger tag on it, instead, and take away the delete tag. I will get to assisting with the merge, but I don't like to have the delete threat over my head. This has happened a few times with NRHP sites before, sometimes I have been the one identifying a duplication, and I have always seen it processed perfectly smoothly by a merger tag. Also, it is not your fault but there are some other delete processes which have been thrust upon me recently that were unpleasant, one being an unnecessary RfD whose outcome was Keep eventually; I don't like to have this one added to what begins to look like a rap sheet on my "record" too right now. It would be more pleasant for there just to be a merge tag. Thanks. doncram (talk) 09:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You replied that you would remove the delete tag and you did, thanks. But then added it back! Could you please just remove it?  The merge tag suffices.  Also, the merger is not too terribly hard but it is not that simple either.  There were other differences between the articles, too, that i didn't see at first and mention.  There was different material in the NRHP infoboxes which needs to be merged, not just delete one of them. Thanks. doncram (talk) 10:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry 'bout that. No problem. I didn't see the delete tag added back. I was just trying to add back the infobox, but had a major distraction offline here. Taking care of it. I'm also merging the info. Thought I'd save you the trouble. Noroton (talk) 11:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Mansehra International Public School and College
Hi, Mansehra International Public School and College is ready for another visit :-) TerriersFan (talk) 23:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Marlboro School
Thanks so much with all the help with the Marlboro School article. This will be an even more interesting lesson for the students, now they can see how things work around here. I'll be working on getting more sources. Your a hero! Maplethelibrarian (talk) 19:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You're Welcome
I see that the librarian properly thanked you as well. In the case of a class project, I hate to see it get taken down, but it was a pretty generic article and I was surprised to learn that it was intended as part of a lesson plan. Your improvements certainly kept it from the chopping block. And as an added benefit, kids in Marlboro, Vermont, will be saying nice things about you this week. Mandsford (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

History of Davenport, Iowa
Do we really need this page? Other than copy the work I did on the Davenport page, and add the list of mayors, what is different?  C t j f 8 3 talk 04:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I didn't say I don't like it, but you just copied what I, and others wrote, and made it look like you did all the work on the new page. If you plan on expanding the new page, then I wouldn't have any problem, but right now it is the same thing. What do you mean by "undo weight"? Isn't the history section suppose to be pretty long?  C t j f 8 3 talk 05:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can Admins do some sort of history merge where it shows who actually added what to the article or not? Personally I think you should request speedy deleted until you, or someone else, adds alot more to it, to make it more than the main article  C t j f 8 3 talk 05:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you by chance live anywhere near Davenport? Do you want to help me expand the new page, I got a big ass book, Davenport A Pictorial History from the library and I suppose I could extend the page a lot.  C t j f 8 3 talk 21:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * this pic would probably be pretty good to show what the city use to look like a bridge pic from here would be good. I dunno if we are allowed to put the google pics. I have had many issues with anti-fair use image people. But if you know some rational for them, that wold be great. Also, if you could find a pic we can use of Antoine LeClaire for his page, and the history page, that would be great...it might be best if you upload, and then tell me what the pics are, so we don't have edit conflicts, since i'm probably going to be adding stuff for a while.  C t j f 8 3 talk 22:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think this page is GAC ready?  C t j f 8 3 talk 04:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look it over tomorrow, and then submit it...all they can do is fail it, which i doubt.  C t j f 8 3 talk 05:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

List of museums
I see you have done great work improving the List of museums in Connecticut. As you may be aware, this article was recently separated from List of museums in the United States. You are encouraged to participate in discussion at Talk:List of museums in the United States regarding formatting of the separated pages. Topics including standardized formatting for state pages are being discussed, etc. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that one had developed -good work. If you can get them all into the tables eventually I;d like to see all of the states look like this. I already put more work into them than I had intended and I hope others will use the iniative to develop them like Connecticut. I've put my share into them -I hope others will format the others like I did to about half of the states. As for where you could find a list of high schools I'm uncertain -perhaps you could google several of the High School districts in the state or something and see if they have any related documents which could be used an an official source to build the list. I'd be more than grateful if you help develop the other museums lists though like Connecticut. It makes wikipedia look rather poor if it only mentions one or two when there are hundreds. Anyway best regards and good luck ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       Talk? 18:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

My god they're gonna make a hash of those museum lists -I thought date founded was important too. What is the point in a list if it doesn't provide some sort of summary or information -wikipedia isn't a directory -I;m glad you agree -it kinda worries me with what some peoples ideas are. Sortable tables. Just start with an empty table and build it up and enter whatever you want (each|| represents a column divide so enter the info between the pillars):

I'll start one or two as an example. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 18:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Like this? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 18:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

All you'd have to do it copy and paste the horizontal divides to how many schools there are. OK? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 18:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Nonono! lol. As easy as apple pie. (well if your're Jim from American Pie anyway lol). Thats quite a detailed list already. Good luck formatting!. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 18:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes thats my Mike Myers humour (humor) coming out - a sort of combination of Dr. Evil and Donald Pleasence as Ernst Stavro Blofeld with emphasis on that frickin volcano in Japan. Glad you approve regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       Talk? 18:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This bald guy ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 19:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice feedback. You've done a tremendous job organizing the museums in CT. I saw the sortable list for Alabama, which is great, although I don't like to pictograms for the type of museum. I agree that County should be added to your table, as well as directions for sorting at the top of the page.

I am working on creating pages for some nature centers in CT, but I often find a link in one place leads me to add links to other places. I find myself pulled in many directions! Anyway, I will also be working on pages for some of the red-linked museums in CT that you have listed. I also keep finding new museums to add! Jllm06 (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You've done an exemplary jopb on the connecticut museums and schools! It s shame the others don't agree and prefer their idea of what is useful. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      Talk? 13:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Mmm, The thing is I'm genuninely very rarely wrong about something on wikipedia - and I'm not the only person who thinks this either -there are many who would agree with me. Well they can do what they want - I just fail to see how removing text which provides a useful summary and is encyclopedic actually benefits this project ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       Talk? 17:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Noroton - I saw you added some thoughts to the List of Museums discussion earlier today. I will read them with great care, but won't be able to until tomorrow...thanks in advance though.  FieldMarine (talk) 22:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Indian Valley Public Library references
Hey, I voted in the AfD of Indian Valley Public Library, an article you seem to be the primary editor of. I support deletion, at this time, but was wondering if there is any way for me to view the references in the article that seem to be locked from view on the article. Warm regards, SorryGuy Talk  04:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I read through them, and still can not get over the feeling that the library's mention in the articles is mostly trivial. However, I have reviewed several library AfDs and see that merging libraries into their town's libraries is somewhat common. I would not be opposed to this and am going to say so on the AfD page. SorryGuy Talk  04:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Metacomet Ridge now a featured article!
Hey, thanks for all your help in bringing Metacomet Ridge up to snuff. It made it!--Pgagnon999 (talk) 00:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Museums
Thats good. The more complete they are the better. Keep up the good work ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       Talk? 10:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

US Museum discussions
That's great that you are adding to the museums in Maine and Rhode Island. I think the sortable columns layout offers more information and is flexible so that visitors can sort the way they like it, so I feel that the ME page is more useful than the RI page. I really like the blue-headed table at the bottom with links to all the states. What is that kind of special table is that? Jllm06 (talk) 15:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Defunct museums cats
Thanks for taking a look at the Defunct Museum cats issue. I probably jumped the gun by drilling down on those cats. I also think adding the defunct museums on the bottom of the state pages as you have done is a good spot. Right now, I don’t support a separate page for them though. I think users would be better served if they were incorporated in some way with the main lists of museums. Thanks & I appreciate your dialogue on the museums. I have learned a few things from those discussions. Semper fi, FieldMarine (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Museum lists inclusion criteria
Your rewrite of the inclusion section looks good. See what you think of the General Information section I added to Talk:List of museums in Alabama and the last paragraph on defunct museums.

What about aquariums, planetariums and zoos? If we do not address this, they will be added over time. This was an issue we faced before. I know it should get some more comment on the discussion page, but guidance should be added one way or the other.

Lastly, I think “regions” in many cases is unclear & very subjective, potentially opening up the page to issues going forward unless we clarify what the regions are in advance. Counties are more definitive. I don’t have a strong opinion on this, I’m just war gamming out how I think these pages will develop over time & anticipating problems.

Thanks again for leaning in to this project. I hope we can wrap this up soon because I think some editors are standing fast on updates until we get this ironed out. FieldMarine (talk) 04:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, keeping museums on the list & adding "closed" in the column is only an option. We can also go with the separate section as you did on the FL page. FieldMarine (talk) 05:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with all you points, so I say lets go for it. Here where the links used before in case you need them: List of aquariums, List of planetariums & List of zoos.  Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 23:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll start doing it then. By the way, as to the regions: I'd like to try them out. If there's a disagreement about regions, it seems to me it can be solved simply by listing the counties that are in each region. If regions are vague, I don't see that as a major problem, because I don't think it will cause major confusion. Any reader really confused can look up the town link, which often comes with a little map (at least they do in Connecticut) or maps are available on the web. The "region" is named just to give people an idea that certain museums are in the same general area. If needed, it wouldn't be too difficult to list the Alabama counties that we could put in each of the regions I name in that listing. My intention is to leave the "region" column empty in most states and maybe someone from that state would fill it in. I might fill in the equivalent of "Birmingham area" for major cities in a state, but again, I don't see vagueness as a problem initially, and if it becomes a problem I think it can be worked out. At least, I think so. Noroton (talk) 00:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Connecticut Museums
I found this website you might find interesting: www.ctmuseumquest.com  This is one guy's quest to visit all of the museums in CT. There are over 300! He's written some very entertaining articles about his trips so far, along with great photos. (Most of these museums should post photos like his on their sites!) There are several little-known museums there we can add to CT, although often his information is much better than the official sites. Jllm06 (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Museums Lists
I have no preference for regions anywhere but in CT where people are familiar with counties, so please use whatever system seems best to you. Each state has its own way of grouping areas that I am unfamiliar with. As for photos in the museum listings, I like them because they add interest to the article, but they are not necessary and can go if they take up too much space. Let's leave them in for now. Jllm06 (talk) 19:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:WilliamMeredithPoet.jpg
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Old Jail Museum
It seems redundant to add a List of jail and prison museums when the Old Jail Museum disamb basically served the same purpose (disamb's are lists). It seems to me that Old Jail Museum could have been modified to serve whatever purpose you were looking to accomplish. I created a series of redirects to the Old Jail Museum page to ensure it encompases all jail and prison museums. IMHO, creating a separate article only complicates the situation by making two separate lists. I recommend merging them. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 07:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I reformatted Old Jail Museum to serve as both a list & disamb. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Let me take care of merging the pages & when done, it will look like the table currently on List of jail and prison museums with a few additions. Since the page is not US specific in the title I don’t see why we shouldn’t add museums from outside the US. Seeing that the list employs a sortable table, I see it as being easy to use & useful to readers. Let me knock out the merge first before you add anything else. Does that sound OK? I also commented on Talk:List of science museums in the United States Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 05:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Noroton, move complete...I think I got it all, but let me know if I missed anything. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 05:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

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We need a List of Planetariums in Michigan
I note your recent changes and See also link in the List of Museums in Michigan. I suggest that we need a List of Planetariums. This would include the one at Delta College See Bay City, Michigan, and the Besser Museum and Planetarium Alpena, Michigan. I'm sure there are quite a few others. Please start a new list, etc. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Dear Noroton:
 * Here's a link to all the zoos and planetariums in Michigan (compiled by state government). Not sure if its complete, but it's a heckuva start.

http://www.michigan.org/travel/attractions/?city=G2760&m=2;4


 * If you gunk around on that website, there are lists of museums, etc., although they have to be accessed (I think) through the individual cities, which makes it somewhat cumbersome.


 * BTW, I thought your addition to the List of Michigan Museums was very helpful.

Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * Here is the list of Michigan Planetariums and Zoos:


 * Potter Park Zoo  	 Lansing  	 46
 * Abrams Planetarium, M.S.U.Campus 	 East Lansing 	 47
 * Children's Zoo at Celebration Square 	 Saginaw 	 49
 * Deer Acres Storybook Amusement Park 	 Pinconning 	 55
 * James C. Veen Observatory 	 Lowell 	 55
 * Delta College Planetarium & Learning Center 	 Bay City 	 56
 * Wilderness Trails Zoo 	 Birch Run 	 62
 * Pumpkin Farm, The 	 Standish 	 65
 * Flint Cultural Center
 * Longway Planetarium  	 Flint  	 72
 * Cindy Lou's Zoo 	 Roscommon 	 73
 * John Ball Zoo Society 	 Grand Rapids 	 73
 * Public Museum of Grand Rapids 	 Grand Rapids 	 73
 * Indian Brook Farms 	 Jackson 	 79
 * Binder Park Zoo 	 Battle Creek 	 80
 * Children’s Garden at Leila Arboretum Society 	 Battle Creek 	 80
 * Kingman Museum (in Leila Arboretum) 	 Battle Creek 	 80
 * Carl T. Johnson Hunting and Fishing Center 	 Cadillac 	 83
 * Grayling Fish Hatchery, The 	 Grayling 	 89
 * Kalamazoo Valley Museum 	 Kalamazoo 	 98
 * University of Michigan - Exhibit Museum of Natural History 	 Ann Arbor 	 100
 * Carr-Fles Planetarium 	 Muskegon 	 108
 * Robinson Planetarium 	 Adrian 	 110
 * Cranbrook Institute of Science 	 Bloomfield Hills 	 113 (Which has a planetarium)
 * Cabela's Outfitters Superstore 	 Dundee 	 121
 * Detroit Zoo 	 Royal Oak 	 122
 * Heritage Park 	 Taylor 	 126
 * Belle Isle Park 	 Detroit 	 131
 * Detroit Children's Museum 	 Detroit 	 131
 * The New Detroit Science Center 	 Detroit 	 131
 * Deer Forest Fun Park 	 Coloma 	 140
 * Besser Museum for Northeast Michigan 	 Alpena 	 145
 * Ruby Farms of Michigan 	 Ruby 	 145
 * Deer Ranch 	 Saint Ignace 	 171
 * GarLyn Zoological Park 	 Naubinway 	 196
 * Museum Ship Valley Camp 	 Sault Sainte Marie 	 207
 * Oswald's Bear Ranch 	 Newberry 	 222
 * DeYoung Family Zoo 	 Wallace 	 238
 * Millie Mine Bat Cave 	 Iron Mountain

Not sure which is a planetarium. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Thank you
I just really needed encouragement last night. Several folks had sent me fairly unfriendly messages, and I felt like everything I worked on was a waste. Cool Hand Luke 17:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Burn the Witch!!!
Hi. Thanks for your comments on my wordings at the Mantanmoreland ArbCom workshop. I hope that the first point of my reply to FloNight covers your concerns - I am deliberately using fairly harsh language and suggesting only draconian measures to enable the committee to determine what sort of support this promotes, and how responses like yours might temper them... That isn't to say that I am anything but sincere in the principles and solutions I have proposed, but they were not written to be adopted in that style or tone.

In short, its the workshop; I am testing to destruction forms of phraseology and options for the benefit of the arbcom and community (I hope!) Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Longshore Sailing School
Hi Noroton, could you help us out on the talk page with the sources you added to Longshore Sailing School? There's still some uncertainty about notability, and other editors haven't been able to verify the citations. Thanks! Jfire (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, send me the articles. I just set up my wiki preferences for email. Jfire (talk) 02:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Got em! Many thanks. Jfire (talk) 03:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Iseman
I've refactored. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:33, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I respect the mature approach you seem to have taken to our clear disagreement, and I especially value the kind words you left on my talk. It's always reassuring to know that even though as individuals we disagree with each other on the merits of issues and content (even to the extremes), we can still agree on process as Wikipedians 100%. This is exactly why this pedia concept works so well; I know there are dozens (perhaps hundreds) of talk conversations going on at this exact moment in spaces just like this one, and because we learn we can trust each other, I feel I need to worry about content less, and just trust the editors like you and I at the pagespace. I have respect for what you've said, and though we do disagree, I value the clash of ideas which engenders our trust more than I value being right. Everybody in this process seems to be acting from their best impulses, and that makes me a proud Wikipedian. BusterD (talk) 23:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

"No one seems to have done the reading. This class is over."
I urge you not to abandon the matter. Your points are being well considered, if not by the targeted respondents then likely by others and a wider public. By all means take a break, but such views would be missed if they were to cease. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've read every word and continue to do so. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I won't lie. I stopped reading a few days ago, intentionally, just to take a break. You're right, it *does* feel better when one stops beating one's head against a wall. I had started on a (much more NPOV) review of the Naked short selling page but have been swamped with real life, and to be honest I rather doubt it will make a difference. A lot of the POV editing is extremely subtle in this article, almost impossible to detect unless one knows the subject. I rather doubt The is helping matters much with his edits; I'm finding the article more confusing now than it was before, and he is certainly no subject matter expert. I cannot help wondering if more obvious POV would come out of the other articles.  In any case, I have responded to your BLPE1 message, both on my page and at the notability talk page.  Thanks for keeping me in the loop; it's probably one of the few reasons for deletion that I pursue fairly rigorously.  Risker (talk) 04:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

One Event
Thanks for letting me know about the discussion on the shortcut. I'm not actually fussed about the matter, but since it was proposed that One Event should be moved from policy to guideline I've thought that Gorgan almighty was right, but nobody has been pushing it forward so it has largely been left to me. I don't know the full history of the section, but it does appear to have been contentious from the start and it's place on the BLP policy page appears to be more by the will of a few than the consensus of the community. Be interesting to see how it pans out. SilkTork  *What's YOUR point? 00:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of red-linked museums
Noroton, it's been a while so I thought I'd write you a note. Please take a look at the above section in Talk:List of museums in the United States. I'd be interested in your comments. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 07:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikback commentary
You know, I've done commentary like this in the past (at least you did it off-wiki and not in the middle of the discussion or on the talk page, as I think I did many months ago). Running commentary like this is funny (I remember now, it was Giano's arbcom bid and his talk page that I did a commentary on), and I'm sure when I did this, it was funny as well. But I've since concluded that it doesn't help (though I'm sure I too will do it again). It gives the impression of juveniles playing a game. I know that this is not the case (though the mob rule accusation is less easy to discount), and there are many grown adults participating in these discussions, and that people of all ages can be humourous, but some degree of gravitas is needed. Maybe you could contribute to the comment I made about how to improve the process? Carcharoth (talk) 08:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Revert of Paul Cadmus page link
The link in question was one of dozens inserted by a role account: an intern working for a museum, and adding external spamlinks to some new publications of the museum he/she worked for. The link failed to meet WP:EL, in my opinion, and had to go, like the dozens of others. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Art and Social Issues
Good work on this whole sad/silly mess (I agree about the Cadmus item, as you may have noticed). However, your language, "You can make edits that support your interest in getting out the word about valuable museum holdings and programs, but not to the extent that WP:NPOV is violated." could be misinterpreted by our over-eager young intern as permission to spam, because he/she means well. This is in contravention to the language I quoted directly above, from WP:SPAM. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If some other admin looks at it and decides to unblock him/her, after proper commitments are made, I will not protest; but I'm unwilling to unblock when there just doesn't seem to be an understanding of what is wrong here. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

In your backyard
Just letting you know I did some work on articles related to Danbury in the last few weeks, mainly as a result of several trips there with my son in December.


 * Danbury Fair Mall — Photos and infobox added.
 * Danbury (Metro-North station) — photo added
 * Danbury Railway Museum — Photos and NRHP infobox added.
 * Meeker's Hardware — created, DYK with photo on Main Page.
 * Main Street Historic District (Danbury, Connecticut) — created, with photo added to main Danbury article and CT 53
 * John Rider House — created, photo added to Danbury Museum and Historical Society as well.

Hope you and the Connecticut project appreciate them. I will have other opportunities soon to travel into and through Connecticut, and I will try to take any needed pictures in the process. Daniel Case (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You can thank my son for the rail stuff ... he's the railfan. Actually, I hope I can get back to Danbury and reshoot Main Street with blue sky and green leaves ... I hate that ugly snow at the edge of the street.

Those photos were all taken on three separate weekends in December. I had promised my son we'd go to the Apple store at Danbury Fair the weekend after Thanksgiving, and that led to the mall pics. Then after that we went downtown to see the Metro-North station, and that got us that pic plus the Railway Museum. I promised him we'd return when it was open, and we did that two weeks later. It's a very kid-friendly place. I took Meeker's then as the light was better, and Main Street. Finally we came back to see the Metro-north station again once after Christmas, and that's where I got the Rider House (in low light, but Photoshop took care of that).

We passed through again on our way to Rhode Island over President's Day weekend (I wanted to finish doing the county high points of that state (having finished Connecticut's several years ago, and he wanted to go to the Kingston station to see Acelas whizzing by. He's also a big Family Guy fan (well, so am I), and wanted to find Quahog and maybe meet the Griffins. So we spent a night in a hotel outside Newport, and did all these things ... as well as taking whatever pictures of National Historic Landmarks in Newport that we could. Not perfect conditions for it (Bellevue Avenue will have to wait), but at least the parking wasn't problematic.

On the way back, we got one CT NHL for that list ... Capt. Nathaniel B. Palmer House in Stonington. I'll add that when I get to it in my photo backlog.

Another county highpoint opportunity coming our way means that we'll be going across Southern New England again next month (Pine Hill, the highest point in Cape Cod, is on a National Guard base behind a firing range, so someone got together a huge trip by negotiating access with the base (used to be easier before 9/11), and we'll also be able to get Manomet Hill in Norfolk County (on the property of a nuclear plant).

So it occurs to me that, if it's greener and nice then, we can get some more CT pics. I'm thinking Waterbury (which we pass through on the way) could really use a photo showing that view from I-84 ... everyone crossing Connecticut that way knows it. Main Street Historic District (Middletown, Connecticut) also could use a good contemporary photo (I was thinking, last time, I wonder if this is a historic district, and lo and behold it is). And it might be possible to get a good roadscape of CT 9 (a highway which, if it were your first impression of Connecticut, you'd think it was as sparsely populated as northern Alaska).

I saw the Metacomet Ridge article when it was nominated. I meant to add a support vote, but I wanted to review it first and I never got the chance. Daniel Case (talk) 18:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You're thinking of the Catskill Mountain Railroad, run on the old Ulster & Delaware Railroad's tracks. Daniel Case (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Tnx for your note. I know you meant well. we can use the article talk page, no need to leave each other messages. In any case I totaly disagree with your edit and move but I will not go into edit war or anyting. I suggest you think about it and realize at some point how ridiculus this whole situation is. There was never such a person. period. Zeq (talk) 05:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Humor, not "vitriol"
It was a humorous way of pointing out the issue with the extremely lengthy titles you were proposing, not "vitriol". Sorry if you took offense, I'll try to be more serious next time. Jayjg (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Humor is not vitriol, and comments about "level of maturity" are uncalled for. Again, I'm sorry if you took offense, but the comment was not intended in the way you took it, and there's no need for you to try to deliberately give offense. Jayjg (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Ailanthus altissima
The recent addition looks good, there's just one bit that makes it confusing: it doesn't say anything about why this tree had to be cut down, which you'd really expect in such a context. Circeus (talk) 15:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)