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Nomination of Maine bound adventure center for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Maine bound adventure center is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Maine bound adventure center until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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I just came back from a 2 month break and noticed your messages. I gave up adminship here a year ago. If you have an article that I deleted that needs to be restored, I have no objection at all. I hope it already got done. Take care. INeverCry 04:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:INeverCry: It has been handled, see: Draft:DPT Laboratories. I'll publish it back in main namespace after working on it more. NorthAmerica1000 11:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Konig's Westphalian Gin
I think you have an interest in drinks articles. This one is up for deletion. Any views or ideas where to find better sources? Philafrenzy (talk) 00:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Philafrenzy: I'm not finding much in online source searches, which is not surprising considering that this is a defunct brand that was first produced in 1640. The topic may be covered in print sources, though. NorthAmerica1000 00:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I suspect there are plenty of offline sources, possibly German, but not any that I can actually access. I hope the article will be kept as we need more on this sort of topic. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

 * Thanks User:Moonchïld9. What page is this in relation to? NorthAmerica1000 02:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Azteca Theater (Texas)? NorthAmerica1000 02:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I went back and linked "page" to it! Moonchïld9 (talk) 02:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Moonchïld9: I haven't performed much work on the article, but congratulations on your AfC submission being published into main (article) namespace. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 02:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Elli Beny W Benak
Hello. I noticed you just closed the AfD as "no consensus", saying that there was no consensus for a merge, but I beg to differ, because IMHO one "delete or merge", one "merge or redirect" and one "keep or merge" is a clear consensus in favor of merge. Thomas.W talk 10:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While consensus in the discussion is leaning toward a merge, I don't view it as quite strong enough to close the discussion as such. I feel a merge closure would be imbalanced per the weight of the "Keep" and "Keep or Merge" rationales provided in the discussion. A merge discussion can always continue on an article talk page. A bold merge could also occur, since consensus in the discussion is leaning toward such. If said merge is performed and then reverted, discussion can occur on a talk page regarding the matter. Please feel free to respond here regarding this matter. NorthAmerica1000 10:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've updated the close, and added "...although consensus is leaning toward a merge." NorthAmerica1000 10:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Re:Articles for deletion/Banned from the Bible
Technically, if an AfD is up for over a week and supported by two users (including the nom) and opposed by no one, isn't the standard coa to delete?

If I thought my proposal would be as utterly uncontroversial as it has been (virtually every user who has ever edited the pages has been inactive for years) I would have just PRODed.

126.0.96.220 (talk) 11:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi: I feel that relisting is appropriate in this matter per WP:RELIST, where it states, "However, if at the end of the initial seven-day period, the discussion has only a few participants (including the nominator), and/or it seems to be lacking arguments based on policy, it may be appropriate for the closer to relist it, to solicit further discussion to determine consensus." With only the nomination and one !vote, relisting is appropriate, per the intent to obtain a clearer consensus. NorthAmerica1000 11:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

speedy keep
WP:SK doesn't apply to TfDs as it declares itself an AfD guideline. Therefor, a withdrawn nomination where the nominator didn't propose deletion in the first place, with multiple snow and speedy keeps where the nomination was an obviously frivolous or vexatious nomination and the only three delete votes (one of which was a weak delete) were on the basis of I just don't like it, and of which was closed within two days of being open and was in the wrong forum for what the nominator wanted to do (it was an edit request)... I do believe this defines a speedy keep. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Technical 13: Regarding the closure, in the lead of Speedy keep it states "Speedy keep is the process of closing debates at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion and related pages with a result of "speedy keep..." (Bold emphasis mine regarding related pages). While it's named "Templates for discussion", TfD is quite similar in process to AfD, and templates are routinely deleted there. Furthermore, per WP:SK, a speedy keep is not qualified because delete !votes exist in the discussion. I feel that that would be inaccurate to list the discussion in the template atop at Template talk:Orphan as speedy keep, because 1) it was not closed as such, and 2) per the above regarding related pages. NorthAmerica1000 00:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's really not worth debating, I just feel that an edit request at TfD with no valid delete !votes (I don't consider I just don't like it votes valid per the two essays I just don't like it and WP:ITANNOYSME), that was closed in two days as it was the wrong forum for an edit request should be a speedy keep. Really not that important in the grand scheme of things though, and I wish you a good day. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. The notion of "no valid delete !votes" is subjective, though. For example, there's some validity in the delete !vote where the user states, "The template is being used incorrectly on many occasions while in some other it is being used as a bad badge". This appears to be a valid concern in support of the notion to delete the template. Ultimately, I'd still prefer to omit "speedy" from the close, per WP:SK. NorthAmerica1000 02:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "The template is being used incorrectly on many occasions while in some other it is being used as a bad badge" simply reads to me as "There is a problem where users don't know how to properly apply the template (which is a user issue, documentation at closest, has nothing to do with the template) and it annoys me that it is just being used as a bad badge (which it very clearly is documented it isn't). That completely neutralizes that complaint, and renders it invalid in my opinion.  But, alas, we all have our own opinions. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While I agree that the above-stated rationale isn't strong relative to deletion of the template, it's the user's opinion and they're entitled to it. There's no stipulation in WP:SK that potentially invalid !votes among users (other than those by the nominator) allows for a speedy keep result. I know that this may seem picky, but If I were to close this as speedy it's likely I would receive complaints, due to the wording of WP:SK. At any rate, thanks for providing your viewpoints. NorthAmerica1000 02:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Close this one
Articles for deletion/Norman Alvis

Withdrawn by Nominator.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 10:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. NorthAmerica1000 11:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exo: The Lost Planet

Almost 23 days now. No one has voted 'delete'. Relisted 2 times. Because first time there was no opinion(other than nom), 2nd time it was only me. Now it is pretty clear that article is not going to be deleted.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 11:50, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. Another user closed it. NorthAmerica1000 20:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jill Mansell

 Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 11:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. NorthAmerica1000 23:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Colonel (Monty Python)

It has been withdrawn by the filer.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 09:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Another ping.  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 13:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/The Colonel (Monty Python) being re-opened is fine because a delete !vote present in the discussion (see WP:SK). NorthAmerica1000 10:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Talk:Google Docs - a non controversial merge.  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 00:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to pass on contributing to/closing the discussion; not particularly interested. NorthAmerica1000 02:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * ✅. N.b. – blanked and nominated [[File:Devassa by Playboy logo.jpg]] for speedy deletion. The blanking of the page generated the notice above. Note to self: in the future, don't blank! The file has been deleted. NorthAmerica1000 05:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC
Hello you commented on Solar Roadways. I wanted to let you know about a Request for Comment that is going on right now:

RfC: Should the cost to cover the entire USA be included?

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Discussion notice
(Note to self): A discussion is occurring at Template talk:Find sources regarding updating the Find sources template with links to the Google News and Google newspapers searches. Interested editors are invited to contribute to the discussion. The discussion is located here. NorthAmerica1000 10:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello
Hello dear, please do have a look at my work now, Can I have one Barnstar ? A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 12:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied at User talk:A.Minkowiski. NorthAmerica1000 13:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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List of restaurants in London
I have nominated the above page for deletion. How can it possibly work? Martin Hogbin (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Why did you tag the page for AfD ?, the article is already well written and well sourced. I have removed AfD tag, please avoid tagging articles if don't lie under deletion criteria. I would suggest you to read this before starting AfD to any article. Thank you. A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 17:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have read that.
 * @User:Martin Hogbin. The list was culminated from Category:Restaurants in London, and qualifies for an article per WP:NOTDUP. NorthAmerica1000 18:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTDUP does not forbid this page, neither does it promote or require it. Let us see what others have to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Hogbin (talk • contribs) 18:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

What is the purpose of this page?
It is obviously impossible to list all the restaurants in London so how do we decide who gets a listing here? IT is obviously of great commercial value to get a listing here and there will be nothing but fights over entries. I note that there is no List of restaurants in New York or List of restaurants in Paris. Martin Hogbin (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Since you initiated the AfD discussion at Articles for deletion/List of restaurants in London, it's more functional to convey your concerns there at this time. However, feel free to keep in touch here too. NorthAmerica1000 18:11, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it would go to deletion in anyway. A.Minkowiski_Lets t@lk 18:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

N.b.
N.b. - The result of the AfD discussion for List of restaurants in London was: "keep. WP:SNOW. As noted by all commenters, the list satisfies guidelines. It is standard practice to limit such lists to only entries that have or merit articles, and whatever susceptibility the list might have to promotional edits is not cause for deletion." NorthAmerica1000 03:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Triple Cooked Chips
Hello, my old friend. :) So, obviously we have to cook these at home to see. America's Test Kitchen says just toss dried, uncooked fries into cold oil and bring upto heat and don't stop till they're done. Second, "purveyance", I had to look up. Maybe popularity. Third, the article's talk post needs your input. Fourth, there is no fourth.....I'll make one....oh yeah, I'm growing fresh turmeric. Lots of leaves. Don't know if the roots are bigger. Will dig and make Thai curry soon if enough Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, here's a good fourth: Considering your List of twice-baked foods and the thrice damaged bacon thing and these fries and who knows what else, might there be an article or list somewhere to be made? Maybe a new title for List of twice-baked foods like List of mutiply-baked or otherwise cooked or fussed-over dishes, beverages, or snaky things? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Anna: I'll respond more later; getting ready to sign out soon. I've added List of twice-baked foods to the See also section of the article; it's a related topic. Thanks for the ideas and input. NorthAmerica1000 13:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * (ping) User:Anna Frodesiak: Actually, I'm still here at this time, but not sure what to say. I've added a short comment at the talk page. Fifth: don't forget the dipping sauce when consuming Triple Cooked Chips?  NorthAmerica1000 15:51, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * (ping) User:Anna Frodesiak: I've formatted and expanded the article, check it out. NorthAmerica1000 06:43, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I started a couple of spin-offs from this and I've just put them into the pipeline at DYK. I've given you credit for your assist and so you may wish to do more... Andrew (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Andrew Davidson: Long time no see here, (the user previously known as) Warden! Thanks for the notification. However, due to my humbleness, I removed my name from the DYK template crediting creation, as the edits I have performed to the article thus far are nothing near those that you have performed. I will keep my eye on these matters. Thanks again for the notice, and feel free to keep in touch. NorthAmerica1000 21:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/English and French monarchs overlap chart
You have upset me with performing a non-admin closure here. "No consensus" closures should only be performed when there is substantive debate. Clearly, that wasn't the case here. Questions have been left unanswered and some opinions were unclear. This discussion should have clearly been re-listed. I would do it myself, but I usually hate reverting others' edits. I would be grateful if you could revert your closure and relist it yourself. Thank you, Feed   back   ☎ 23:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Feedback: With six participants, (including the nomination), the discussion was adequate to be closed as no consensus per the various arguments therein, but not resoundingly so. However, more discussion there may indeed prove to be fruitful. Per your request and in hopes to attain a clearer consensus, I have undone the close and relisted the discussion in the present AfD log at Articles for deletion/Log/2014 June 30. NorthAmerica1000 08:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!
I have to say I'm surprised this has expanded the way it has. Eventually I may pass the report off on some unsuspecting soul but I'll be sticking with it until then :-0)  Serendi pod ous  17:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Serendipodous: Thanks again for maintaining and keeping the Top 25 Report updated. Cheers, NorthAmerica1000 03:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Limiting case (philosophy of science)
Hi!, how are you? I'm writing you because after weeks, there is only one vote in favor of deletion of this article. Can we close the matter already? I sincerely think that this was a nomination and one negative vote out of ignorance of the subject matter... Thanks. --Damián A. Fernández Beanato (talk) 23:36, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. The discussion at Articles for deletion/Limiting case (philosophy of science) was closed by another user; the article was retained in the encyclopedia. NorthAmerica1000 11:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

AfC
Hi North. I was wondering if I could ask you to take a look at a couple articles I have submitted to AfC on David Williams (Doctor) and Paxata. I have a COI in both cases, which is why I've submitted them to AfC rather than directly into article-space. CorporateM (Talk) 00:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:CorporateM: I'm presently working on other stuff, so I may or may not look into these AfC submissions. NorthAmerica1000 00:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello again User:CorporateM: I noticed that both articles are now in main namespace. Thank you for being considerate regarding your conflict of interest regarding these articles, and for taking extra steps to include uninvolved third parties regarding their publishing in main namespace. NorthAmerica1000 22:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't follow up. Yah, I pinged someone else and got lucky that they had time to review - they are both GA nominated now for yet another set of reviews. I feel obnoxious sometimes because I'll ask three editors to take a look at something and sometimes none of them respond, but other times 3 of them respond and that makes me seem a bit needy ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 22:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding, and thanks again for your consideration. NorthAmerica1000 22:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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Pelican State Beach
I've reverted your non-admin close because just because I don't literally say "not-notable" in my deletion reason isn't a valid reason to speedy close something tha wasn't open for more than 24 hours.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Ryulong: My close was accurate per the deletion rationale you initially provided (diff). Since you revised the nomination (diff), we'll see how it goes from there. NorthAmerica1000 08:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So simply because I did not explicitly state that I thought that the subject was not notable that gives you the right to snow close the discussion? That's bullshit. Why else would someone take an article to AFD?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 15:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone could have closed the discussion as you initially worded it, per WP:SK, because it didn't have a valid deletion rationale. I closed the discussion as speedy keep, not as a snow close as you state above. For a list of valid deletion rationales other than topic notability, see WP:DEL-REASON. NorthAmerica1000 01:13, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. Another user closed the discussion at Articles for deletion/Pelican State Beach as keep. NorthAmerica1000 18:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

June 2014 AFC backlog drive awards.
Greetings, Northamerica1000! I'm inquiring if the awards for the drive have been handed out yet. Knowing how this part of the process normally goes for me, where AFC's drives are concerned, and knowing that you're often one of the awards distributors, I thought I'd just leave you with this. Let me know if there's any problems! :) Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Wilhelmina Will: There's still discussion occurring at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/June 2014 Backlog Elimination Drive regarding the pending awards (see the "Re-reviews" and "Have we reached consensus on the various 'things'?" sections). I haven't participated there, so for this round I'll leave it to another user to perform the awarding. In the past, User:Excirial has performed the awarding, so perhaps they'll do so this time around. NorthAmerica1000 17:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Okey-doke. Thank you! :) Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Poultry

 * Hi User:JTdale: Thanks for the invitation; I have joined the project. NorthAmerica1000 11:45, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Asian cuisine / List of Asian cuisines
I note that you have edited both of these list articles. Do you see any value in keeping both? The Asian cuisine list article is in a poor state with little information other than unsourced opinion, and is cluttered with too many images, and red links. My feeling is that there is little content to be saved in Asian cuisine, and that it might be more useful to redirect the title to List of Asian cuisines.  SilkTork  <sup style="color:#347C2C;">✔Tea time  18:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:SilkTork: List of Asian cuisines is an offshoot of List of cuisines article, because the latter article would be too long with all of the list articles within it. My preference is to leave the list article as a list and expand the Asian cuisine article. NorthAmerica1000 22:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

A new

 * Hi User:Hafspajen, thanks very much, very nice. NorthAmerica1000 22:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)