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Template:Did you know nominations/Acquacotta
Hi, I found this hook in the "quirky" slot of Prep 3, and felt that it really deserved the lead slot with a picture. However, now that I moved it to Prep 4, I don't think the hook is so hooky. I'm wondering if we could change it to something like:
 * ALT1: ... that acquacotta, an Italian peasant food, was originally invented to make stale bread palatable? Yoninah (talk) 23:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Yoninah: How about this ALT2 below, which incorporates content of the original hook and your ATL1 above. It's within the 200 character hook limit, and briefly includes information about the soup's history. NorthAmerica1000 05:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT2: ... that acquacotta (pictured), an Italian peasant food dating to ancient history, was originally invented to make stale bread palatable?

Spam (food) Article Edits
Hi there! I’m Maggie, and I’m part of the group (with Linda,  Tiffany, and  Kathy) that is working on editing the  Spam (food) article as part of a class assignment for INFO 3460. Thank you so much for looking over our proposal for edits and checking the reliability of the sources we found! Your feedback has been very useful to us as we continue to search for reliable sources. As per your recommendation, we have looked at Gumbo, and have also been referencing Hot Chocolate as model articles for our editing and re-organizing of this article.

We just wanted to let you know that we are starting to add and change actual content in the article now. One major change we are in the process of editing is adding a ‘History’ section and a ‘Use in Pop Culture’ section, using information previously included in the broad ‘International Usage’ section as well as new information from our sources. We welcome you to continue checking over our work (including the new sources we added to our bibliography list) and providing us with constructive criticism/advice throughout this process!

Thanks, Mwong850 (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:mwong850: Thanks for the note, and for your group's work in improving the article. Despite the work being required for your class (in a way, it's obligatory), you could have chosen any article, but you guys chose Spam (food), which is awesome because food articles are a significant part of my focus on Wikipedia, so I'm biased in your group's favor to a degree. Check out the source search links below which provide more sources, many of which are reliable. I've listed a few reliable sources from these searches below the links (more are available from the searches).
 * Google Books search
 * The Guide to United States Popular Culture. p. 762.
 * The Oxford Companion to American Food and Drink. pp. 559-560.
 * Vault Guide to the Top Consumer Products Employers. pp. 180-181.
 * Cuisine and Culture: A History of Food and People. p. 347
 * Google search for new sources
 * Bloomberg Businessweek article. "How Spam Meat Has Survived Spam E-Mail".
 * Adweek article
 * Forbes article
 * Mother Jones article
 * – NorthAmerica1000 03:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Northamerica1000! Our group just wanted to thank you for your additional list of sources, which you've posted here and on the talk page. We really appreciate that you have taken the time and effort to provide us with such useful and supportive feedback. It really means a lot to us, and has been so helpful as we continue to work on improving the article! We are currently reading over these sources to brainstorm how to incorporate them into the article. If you have any more ideas or advice on things we can change, feel free to let us know either here or on the Spam (Food) talk page or our user talk pages. We look forward to keeping in touch with you as we proceed with this process (we'll be updating the Spam(food) talk page with what we're working on editing), and hope you have a great week! Thanks again! - Mwong850 (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Northamerica1000! I am in the group with Mwong850 and would just like to express my thanks for your help! We're all new to Wikipedia editing, and find it very cool to interact with such helpful contributors like you. We will be editing the Spam article in the coming few weeks, and as Mwong850 mentioned, anymore feedback is welcome! Best, Tkw32 (talk) 03:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * (ping: User:Mwong850, User:Tkw32, User:Lhe3460, User:KathyQX94)
 * Thanks for the kind words; at this time, I'll provide any additional input about the article at its talk page, at Talk:Spam (food). Also feel free to keep in touch here too. Happy editing! NorthAmerica1000 12:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WAS THIS A MISTAKE?
Hi Roy Smith! I've never used this message function until now but am just simply wondering why you deleted this CRITICAL page? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_at_the_team_sports_international_competitions

Thanks so much Roy and looking forward to hearing back from you when you have a moment ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:8500:B62:34A4:775F:F87E:E0E2 (talk) 21:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Pinging User:RoySmith about the above (the message was sent to the wrong user). NorthAmerica1000 23:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This was discussed at Articles for deletion/Australia at the team sports international competitions. There was clear consensus to delete the article by the people who participated in the discussion. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Non-Admin AfD closures
Hello: I think you are over stepping the guidelines on non-admin closures with all of these no-consensus results. I'm not alone on this, based on a review of a few of the conversations above. I suggest that you stop and request a review of this practice. The guidelines for non-admin closure seem pretty clear that it should only be done on non-contentious cases. By default, one could argue that no consensus is contentious. Creating a AfD takes work on the part of the nominator and having it closed prematurely without due process is disruptive. Kindly, &mdash; Gaff ταλκ 15:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Gaff: Which AfD discussion are you referring to? I never close discussions early except in clear WP:SNOW cases or for those that are procedural in nature. I base my closes upon WP:NACD at the Wikipedia:Deletion process page. Only one user above has stated that they prefer non-admins to not perform no consensus closes as an absolute, but it's their opinion, not policy. Such closes are certainly allowed per WP:NACD. Presently on this talk page, there's another request to reopen a discussion per disagreement with the close, which I did upon that request. It was shortly closed again thereafter with virtually the same close that I had performed. I think you should please consider these matters on a case-by-case basis, rather than in absolute terms. NorthAmerica1000 23:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, I disagree with the notion of all no consensus closes being characterized as "contentious" in nature. For example, see this discussion, which I closed as no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination due to having received no input after two relistings. I don't view this close as contentious whatsoever. NorthAmerica1000 00:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * MrGuye has been nominating everything under the sun for deletion, so not surprising nobody weighed in on the absolute peach.  I've not been on here much in several years.  When I was doing non-admin closures back in the day, I steered clear of no consensus closures, especially if only one person had cast a !vote, with what sounded like a perhaps not entirely an unequivocal keep.  See Articles for deletion/Rakesh Khanna  As far as that article goes, I still think that the snippet about him having a job with the company was appropriate/sufficient on the company's article page.  Nevertheless, it did get stale waiting for a debate.  I'm not going to repost to AfD or ask for a review, because ultimately, I just don't care enough and have better things to work on.  So, maybe my posting above comments on your talk page is a knee jerk reaction on my part... As far as other comments above about closures on AfD, see "I'm shocked" and "Contested AFD closure".  If the backlog is so bad that you feel your services are truly necessary for closing AfDs before they get a real discussion, then you could just put in your RfA.    &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 00:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Gaff: Some points regarding Articles for deletion/Rakesh Khanna
 * Simply put, the discussion was not closed prematurely. It was closed appropriately after two full relistings. Please see WP:RELIST, part of the Wikipedia:Deletion process guideline page, which states "Relisting debates repeatedly in the hope of getting sufficient participation is not recommended, and while having a deletion notice on a page is not harmful, its presence over several weeks can become disheartening for its editors. Therefore, in general, debates should not be relisted more than twice. " (underline emphasis mine)
 * There was clearly no consensus regarding a particular action for the article relative to the arguments at the discussion. You wanted it deleted, and two users wanted it to be retained. Overall, the rationales presented therein were not strong enough to close the discussion as "keep". So, I appropriately closed it as no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination.
 * I understand that you want the article deleted, but per the discussion, it's virtually certain that it won't occur at this time. Per the WP:NPASR close, feel free to renominate it at any time. NorthAmerica1000 01:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds very reasonable. Cheers &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 02:13, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Wine sauce
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 17:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * N.b. File:Hero Certified Burgers Logo.svg, the file which replaced the image linked above (File:Hero Certified Burgers logo.png) has been nominated for speedy deletion for copyright infringement. The image linked above is now being used in the Hero Certified Burgers article. NorthAmerica1000 00:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Acquacotta
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Food and Drink Project template...
I just created this and I could use some advice and perhaps some help on it. Its a parody of ✅.

--Mark Miller (talk) 20:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Mark Miller: Neat template. I don't think there's anything I can do to improve it, but I like it. NorthAmerica1000 13:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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List of Indian breads
Hi, in that nice List of Indian breads page, I think it may not be accurate to say that roti are a particular kind of bread made from stoneground wholemeal flour, atta flour. Various references including a cookbook I have, this newpaper item, and even parts of the Roti page itself define it as any kind of bread (the cookbook distinguishes baked breads, naan). Even deep-fried breads like Puri are listed as roti, and various types made with other flours: makkai ki roti (maize flour), besan ki roti (gram flour). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:03, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Sminthopsis84: Thanks for the input. I have updated the roti entry at the List of Indian breads article to a less specific description, per information at the South Asia section in the Roti article:
 * Roti – flat bread originating from South Asia
 * –NorthAmerica1000 22:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

21:56:05, 8 October 2014 review of submission by Marco aust
Marco aust (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry I have been away and not seen your posts :-) can you please tell me what I need to get the F.C.Wild Rivers site posted. (Marco aust (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2014 (UTC))
 * Hi User:Marco aust: The submission needs the addition of independent, third-party reliable sources about the topic to verify information within it and to qualify the topic's notability. Also see the Notability (sports) page for additional notability guidelines for sports-related articles. Please feel free to add reliable sources that preferably provide significant coverage of this subject, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. NorthAmerica1000 22:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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A Dobos torte for you!

 * Thanks User:7&6=thirteen. Neat layer cake too. NorthAmerica1000 22:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Chateaubriand sauce
Hello! Your submission of Chateaubriand sauce at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Replied at the DYK nomination page. NorthAmerica1000 13:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)