User talk:Northamerica1000/Archive 9

Bacon thanks
Thanks very much for the Barnstar.

I really appreciate it.

It's nice to know that my quality improvement projects on this website are appreciated and acknowledged.

Thanks again, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, and thanks again for your significant work on Everything Tastes Better with Bacon. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter - September 2013

 * Posted by Northamerica1000(talk) 01:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Note of Thanks
Thank you for inviting me to WikiProject Invention. Lets hope that this project takes forward the legacy of Wikipedia to provide excelect source of information. And I'll be more than happy to contribute to this project in all possible ways. --Wiki.Gunjan (talk) 11:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Wiki.Gunjan - Thanks for joining WikiProject Invention, and please feel free to contribute there. For example, additions to the lists in the project's Ways to contribute section would be greatly appreciated. Northamerica1000(talk) 20:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter 2
May I suggest for the next one you use The Signpost structure used in the posting above? They transclude the main text in their posting with small headers and footers. This will keep the size of the footprint of posting on people's pages to a minimum and allow you to fix any errors that you may miss while editing.

Also, allot of that complex material that is in the body can be added with templates. Using the templates allows you to work smarter and less taxing. It also keeps the code cleaner. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 17:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, and let's please work together to improve WikiProject Food and drink forward into the future for Wikipedia's readers. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject invention
Is there a specific reason why you are inviting some people to this new project? If it is a random choice, then such mass postings are often frowned upon. If there is a good reason (say, these people have indicated that they are interested in the specific topic or want invitations to all new projects), then of course there is no problem with your post. Fram (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The specific reason is (in part) to encourage collaboration to improve the encyclopedia. I've messaged people who appear likely to be interested in the prospect of checking out the project. No mass postings occurring here; although it seems likely that you messaged me because I posted on Mr. Wales' talk page. Since many eyes view Mr. Wales' page, it makes sense to post a neutral notice there about this relatively new project that I've been working on to vitalize. Mr. Wales has expressed interest in other WikiProjects, such as WP:TAFI. Also, perhaps consider joining the project, if you're interested? Northamerica1000(talk) 10:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "No mass postings occurring here"? So far, over 40 people, with no indication at the time of my post that this was going to end soon. There are central places were you can announce new projects, like the community portal, and (IIRC) the Signpost. Fram (talk) 10:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (Oh, and wrt to your "it seems likely..." sentence, your post is now the top post on 5 pages on my watchlist, that's why I noticed the "mass" aspect of it.) Fram (talk) 10:33, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, thus far I've sent invitations to people who have contributed to the Invention article and members of WP:TECHNOLOGY, and to a few Wiki friends. I think you may be overreacting to this, because the postings are intended to build membership in a new WikiProject, and are specifically directed toward those who are highly likely to be interested based upon editing interests. Perhaps check out the Members section in a week or so at WikiProject Invention, because it's likely that it will eventually grow. That said, thanks for info. about posting to centralized areas. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I've posted at the Community bulletin board, at section Projects seeking help. Unfortunately, the project page receives very few daily page hits, See: ; 140 page views in August 2013 as of this post, including my view of the page. It's unlikely that posting here will have much effect upon actually improving the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's transcluded to, which has more than enough page views... Fram (talk) 10:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invite North, Im not especially interested in that topic class, but always nice to hear from your good self. Thanks again for the stunning work you do improving articles, and helping out with a great many projects and portals. FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Northamerica - I'm of the same mind as Feyd, but thanks for the invite! Cheers,  Gong   show  03:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No violation occurred. Another editor agreed with this notion at the (now archived) discussion, stating (in part), "Northamerica1000 was indeed correct to revert your actions" and the discussion was not closed with any stated result. Plainly stated, I was not edit warring. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

format vote
Can you give an opinion on whether we should close the vote on the 5th and move on to other elements of the proposal or whether more time is needed to allow for consideration of main page format. There is some debate on this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:TonyTheTiger: Is this about the Main page proposal at WT:TAFI? Northamerica1000(talk) 04:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:TonyTheTiger: Apparently this is about the TAFI project. I'm involved in another proposal regarding the main page of a project, hence the query. Regarding discussion occurring at WT:TAFI, discussion is still occurring, with the latest posts in the "Calling for a vote on the format that we propose" section timestamped on 5 September 2013. In my opinion, it's better to allow time for people to communicate their ideas before closing, which can build a more solid consensus while also allowing time for people to provide their ideas more fully. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

For your DYK section and others
WP:WikiProject Food and drink/JL-Bot --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:07, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks for the link; it is appreciated. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOOD Layouts and Commons sister project
Hi! I hope that you aren't upset, but I probably shook everything up over at the discussions on WP:FOOD. It took me over 12 hours to complete, but I have broken down the two front runner proposals into sub-components, made screen captures of each one, and enabled Project members to critique each component of layout individually and compare and contrast them with each other. I have tried to remove all ego (I know that's an impossible task) and any animosity or ruffled feathers that may have bubbled to the surface in past discussions. I have tried very hard to focus the discussion onto the much more productive goals of putting together all the elements that we like and eliminating the ones we don't, and coming up with a combination of the two ideas, while also allowing for other good ideas to be incorporated into the final result. I also set a tentative time frame to complete all of this. It may seem rather slow (especially in Wiki-time), but that will allow for plenty of input. Also, I'm a full-time caregiver and a part-time student this semester, and that allows me to stay involved without worrying about having to check in every half out to be sure that something didn't go thermonuclear while I was off dong school stuff. :-) I hope that you are not upset by my bold actions. I also hope that you realize that I am completely impartial in all of this, and I am trying to keep the discussion and actions that way, too. I just want to see the WikiProject end up with the best possible outcome from it. The new discussion page is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Main page layout discussion.

In the process of creating and uploading the screen captures, I also created a sister WikiProject over on Wikimedia Commons. It's called "WikiProject Food and Beverage" since "Beverages" are already well-established over there, and "Drinks" is not. I would really appreciate it if you would join in there, too. Actually, I already put your name down as a participant, since they require 4 participants initially to get a WikiProject started on Commons. I hope you don't mind me, once again, being bold in my actions.

If you are not very familiar with Commons, you should be aware that they do things a bit differently over there. First of all, it's a much more leisurely paced environment, but they still take policies seriously (some of them much more seriously than en.wiki does). There are very few WikiProjects, and there are a lot fewer editors over there. Instead of dealing with articles and pages, we work on media (photos, illustrations, audio, etc.) and maintain galleries (the equivalent of an article here). Categories are very similar, but tend to be organized a little differently. Finally, it's a very international and multilingual place. That makes things like templates and layouts even more complicated than here. On en.wiki, you might have one template for a header and another for the body of an infobox. On Commons, each of those templates may require a minimum of 4 templates just do do the same thing (meaning a total of 8 to display the header and body). It's quirky, but fun. At the very least, joining the Commons WikiProject should help you locate and organize images within WP:FOOD a little better and easier.

Thanks for considering my request and also for not getting upset by my (probably unexpected) interaction in your long-running discussions. Have a great day! &mdash; Will scrlt ( “Talk” ) 08:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Works for me; see the barnstar I sent you for these significant efforts on your part. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 01:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Alternative press (U.S. political left) for deletion
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Disambiguation link notification for September 7
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Note on FD Templates
Please update all of your section headers to WikiProject Food and drink/section header, I will be deleting that shortcut.

Also I have created this template to help with infoboxes, WikiProject Food and drink/small header

--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * All right, and thanks for the update and new link. Northamerica1000(talk) 08:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Topic icons
Hello, I see you copied my navbar links to a template. The set you copied wasn't finished as I was still testing it on several different PCs. Just to let you know the text size needs to be set at 90% - when this is viewed on a 4:3 monitor with a lower resolution the text protrudes from the box.

Also, please put template names in lower case. The Site structure I designed has all of the project templates named in lower case. Just for consistency's sake. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, which is appreciated. I'm now using a modified version of the topic icons for my work at the WikiProject Food and drink/Sandbox 3 page. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Bots
Hey, I am compiling a list of bots used at WikiProject Food and drink/Tools/bots. If you sign the project up for a new bot, please list it here so we have an idea which bot is doing what. This way we can all be on the same page. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 01:18, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Information for the new food and drink list at User:AlexNewArtBot/FoodDrinkSearchResult has been described on the WP F&D bots page above. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Project tagging & sortkeys
North, three things I would like to ask you to try to do when creating new pages for the project:
 * 1) Could you please remember to add sort keys to your categories?
 * 2) Could you tag the talk pages of the pages you create with the project banner? Use  for the project pages and  for the templates.
 * 3) Categorize the templates you create with category:WikiProject Food and drink templates.

Thanks, --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 23:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, and I've updated relevant pages per the above. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:37, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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You're a good egg, NA
Thanks for the occasional notes, they are always appreciated! I've been away from AfD for the most part the last six months, its a bit more lonely but much less drama-filled!--Milowent • <sup style="position:relative">has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 10:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Milowent, you are a wise old wizard. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

NAC of Articles for deletion/The Pixar Theory
Hello Northamerica1000. I noticed you made a non-admin closure of Articles for deletion/The Pixar Theory. However, that discussion doesn't appear to meet the criteria for non-admin closures, which are normally restricted to "clear" keep, merge, or redirect closures. Non-admin "no consensus" closures are permitted only for AfDs with "little or no discussion". Could I therefore ask you to consider reverting your closure? —Psychonaut (talk) 09:34, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Psychonaut: Please read the actual non-administrator closing criteria at WP:NACD, which is part of Wikipedia's Deletion process guideline page. The link you provided above is an essay, and is less accurate compared to the actual guideline page. Also, the statement above, "Non-admin "no consensus" closures are permitted only for AfDs with "little or no discussion"" does not pertain to this discussion, because the debate received a great deal of discussion.  shouldn't be interpreted as a strict rule, being from an essay. *


 * I feel the this no consensus close is entirely objective, takes into account all points of view and is in accordance with guidelines at WP:NACD. I'd prefer to retain the close at this time, because it is not a close call nor controversial in nature, and I actually performed significant analysis in its formulation to maintain high standards of objectivity. Furthermore, it is very likely that another close will also simply be the same "no consensus" result that would simply be redone by another person. Please respond at your convenience. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out that I had linked to an essay on the guideline, rather than the guideline itself, which I had overlooked. While the portions of the essay I quoted don't contradict the guideline, they do explain and comment on it in what seems to be a sensible and useful way.  The guideline itself says that "Close calls and controversial decisions are better left to an administrator"; while this particular AfD wasn't a close call, I think it is rather clear that it was controversial, with many editors offering a wide range of evidence and opinions.  The essay's commentary on "no consensus" closes seems intended to elaborate on this part of the guideline, and with this in mind, I'm mystified by your comment that the portion I quoted isn't applicable here, as it quite clearly does apply.  Under the "Appropriate closures" section, the page says that "AfDs with little or no discussion may be… closed as no consensus".  This particular AfD had a great deal of discussion, so it doesn't clearly count as an "appropriate" no-consensus non-admin closure, at least insofar as the essay is concerned.  Nonetheless, the guideline doesn't say that such closures are strictly prohibited, only that they're not a good idea.  So while I do not doubt your good intentions in trying to come to an objective conclusion, I think the guideline is pretty clear that a non-administrator shouldn't have made the closure in this case.  However, absent objections from anyone else, I don't intend to formally appeal the matter. —Psychonaut (talk) 10:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying and for the additional input. While the topic may be controversial, the close as no consensus is not controversial in this instance. Since I put some work into the close, I'd prefer to retain it if there are no other appeals. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:25, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * * (Struck and revised some content above; some ideation was errantly placed within the context of the prose, an out-of-context error from a different (unfinished) sentence. I apologize for the obvious error above. To clarify; no consensus non-admin closes typically are not limited to discussions that have received "little or no discussion" in actual practice, as evidenced in many AfD closes over the last few years. Content in the essay seems to be outdated.) Northamerica1000(talk) 14:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I second that this is an inappropriate non-admin closure. I also note that another "no consensus" NA1000 close was recently overturned over similar concerns here. I think the relevant guidelines/essays, as quoted and linked above, are very clear about non-admins avoiding controversial, heavily participated discussions such as this one. <font color=#AAAAFF>ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ <font color=#D50000>bomb 23:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The discussion has been reopened. Northamerica1000(talk) 23:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, sir. I meant to append something simple to my message: "I say this with all due respect." I know AfD's a mess of indecision and personally I appreciate people trying to close stuff out. And...totally possible this is going to end up closed the exact same way, at which point we'll just have a separate Merge discussion and be done with this. Anyway, cheers for the quick and honest action on this. <font color=#AAAAFF>ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ <font color=#D50000>bomb 23:18, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional perspective, and cheers. Northamerica1000(talk) 23:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Newsletters
Hello North, I would like to begin migrating the Newsletters over to the new hierarchical page structure. I have setup a new page at WikiProject Food and drink/Newsletters that is designed to be the top page for that section. I want to move all of the news letters under this one.

The structure will be:

.../Newsletters → .../Current → .../August 2008 → .../July 2008 → .../June 2008 → .../April 2008 → .../February 2008 → .../January 2008 → .../December 2007 → .../November 2007 → .../October 2007 → .../September 2007 → .../August 2007

--<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy <small style="font-size:85%;">(blah blah • I did it!) 09:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Jerem43: I'm curious about why there is a need to make this more complex than the layout at WikiProject Food and drink/Monthly newsletters. The latter page seems to function just fine, in my opinion. Northamerica1000(talk) 09:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please look at WikiProject Food and drink/subpages. The site is a complete mess, a problem I have been dealing with for several years now especially on the drinks side of things. This is part of a long term goal to bring it under control by using a systematic plan to introduce a hierarchical format that makes things easier to understand and manage. So while the current system works, it sucks to manage. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy <small style="font-size:85%;">(blah blah • I did it!) 16:23, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless, I'd like to please retain the WikiProject Food and drink/Monthly newsletters page, because I'm utilizing it in unison with my work at the project's Sandbox 3 page. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll keep it as a redirect for now, so your links will not be lost and everything will work as intended. I'll go back and fix the links after the move. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy <small style="font-size:85%;">(blah blah • I did it!) 07:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Jerem43: Just create a new page instead of redirecting. Again, I want to retain this page I created for the time being at: WikiProject Food and drink/Monthly newsletters. Please do not redirect it to another page. Furthermore, please do not redirect any of the new pages I have created; they're being used at this time. Thank you in advance for your consideration regarding this matter. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:00, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

DRV for Poonam Pandey
Hi! As you were one of the keep voters of this article at the AfD, i thought of informing you of the discussion started at Deletion review/Log/2013 September 14. Good day! §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 10:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. Just a note, in case you haven't done so, if you're contacting people who participated in the deletion discussion, you should notify all editors, rather than only those who !voted in a particular manner. If you haven't notified everyone, (e.g. only notified keep !voters) this could be viewed as canvassing. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Its okay with me if its viewed as canvassing by others. I notified the keep voters that i have seen active or interacted before. Double selective canvassing they can call it. But i also skipped other keep voters who aren't active now. But anyways... i now informed the most staunch delete voter also. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:05, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just some friendly advice; it's up to you. Thanks for the update per the latter part of your comment above; these things do matter. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I know you meant well. Thanks! §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 18:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Food and drink
Thanks for all you help with food and drink related articles and for your enthusiastic support for the project. Your cooperative and collaborative approach are much appreciate! Enjoy your Sunday. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Candleabracadabra: Thanks again for your work, and when creating new food and drink articles, please feel free to post them at WikiProject Food and Drink's new articles page. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:05, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Newsletter format
Hello North, WillScrit brought up an issue with the news letter. It is very large on the talk page, I would like to discuss the format we use on the talk pages, if you're up to it.

Here is what I did:


 * I reformatted the banner as a table to insure proper formatting of the wording.
 * I removed all of the code for the progression and article assessments section from the body of the of the letter by using the Project assessments template and transcluding the progression chart from the Project page. The result of this change is that the footprint of the letter has gone down 75%.
 * I standardized the format of resizing on the template.
 * I created and deployed a new template, collapsible section, to shrink the sections down making the screen footprint about half what it was.
 * I added an image to the news section, changed the image in the articles by quality and importance section.

--<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy <small style="font-size:85%;">(blah blah • I did it!) 23:29, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Mononomy
Hi Northamerica1000,

Sorry my article on Mononomy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Mononomy wasn't good enough for wikipedia.

I have a question: How do I add sources when I am the (anonymous) creator (and source) of this idea myself? I have written one piece about it in Dutch: http://www.visionair.nl/politiek-en-maatschappij/nederland/de-partij-voor-toekomst-de-pvt-middels-een-renteloze-mononomie/ and the idea was a contribution to the Dutch "droomboek" (A gift of people's dreams for our country and for the world to our new King): https://deeljouwdroom.nl/participants/14298 But I don't think these can qualify as valid links? I am writing a more elaborate piece on it, hope I can publish it somewhere free of charge for everyone to download. Would linking to such a little book on the subject be sufficient, do you think? There's only so much I can do via twitter, few people to inform about it that way ... Thank you very much for your review and answer.,

Ietsist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ietsist (talk • contribs) 15:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Ietsist: Wikipedia articles typically consist of topics that have received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Reliable sources include news media and books. So, if your topic has received said coverage, then it may be appropriate for Wikipedia. Conversely, if said coverage is nonexistent, then the submission is unlikely to be accepted by reviewers at Articles for creation. Hope this helps to clarify matters. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Cornell project
Hi, I just wanted to make you aware of some ongoing developments because of your involvements with the WikiProject Breakfast. I am a student at Cornell University, given the responsibility of improving a grade C article for a class assignment. My group has chosen the History of breakfast because we see many opportunities for improvement. Part of our grade is our ability to interact with other editors who share an interest in the improving of the page. I would greatly appreciate any feedback you have over the course of the next couple weeks. We have written out a proposal for our edits on its talk page. Also, if you know of other editors who may have an interest in our help, I'd love to know their names too. Nicole.cooprider (talk) 18:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Nicole.cooprider: your/your group's significant improvements to the History of breakfast article (diff page example) are greatly appreciated. I'm presently taking a wiki break, and may not be available to provide ongoing input regarding the article. One idea is to add some images to the article's Ancient Breakfast and Post Classical Era sections, if any pertinent ones are available. Check out Wikimedia Commons to search for potential usable images. Also, the Further reading section has several sources that may be useful to utilize in the article's expansion. Thanks again for improving the article, and happy editing! Northamerica1000(talk) 02:22, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment chart
I need an assessment/statistics chart for WikiProject Swami Vivekananda. Could you help to create one? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 00:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * All importance/class ctas have been crated, articles have been assessed, but 1.0 assessment subpage has not been created. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 00:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Titodutta: I'm presently taking a wikibreak and will only be editing here and there for awhile; hence the delay in replying. At this time, I don't have time to collaborate regarding this matter. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:12, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for inviting me to participate in the project Breakfast! I don't know if I will be of any help, since the food related articles are all written about in Wikipedia... I might try to expand some if possible. But do explain to me whats the main difference between WikiProject Breakfast and WikiProject Food?--Mishae (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for joining the project! WikiProject Breakfast is essentially a specialty project that focuses specifically upon breakfast-related topics, serving as a "child" project of WP Food and drink. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Any plans of including WikiProject Lunch and WikiProject Dinner? As far as I know, lots of people will sign up for those considering the famous American lunch and dinner meals. Any suggestions?--Mishae (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Mishae: I saw your suggestion for that (somewhere) when browsing around. A fine idea, but I currently don't have time to pursue this. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want to I can host one of them?--Mishae (talk) 00:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that I currently don't have time to create pages, perform article statistics coordination with bots, create a project banner for talk pages (and other templates), post the banner on related article and content talk pages, populate project pages with content, send out invitations to editors likely to be interested, etc. It actually takes significant time to research editors who may be interested and then send out invitations alone, after everything else is created. Just don't have the time right now. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:33, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you okay?
That was a very sudden onset of Wiki-itis, and I am a bit concerned. While you and I may not be best buds, I do respect your editing skills. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy <small style="font-size:85%;">(blah blah • I did it!) 18:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm always okay. I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically (likely the newsletter), but I am currently taking a semi-wikibreak, so I won't be as prominent. Thanks for updating info at WikiProject Food and drink/Newsletter October 2013 with my work at the page I was working from. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


 * FYI: By including my name (and presumably anyone else's name) in the newsletter and then posting it to all 87 members' talk pages, I received 87 individual e-mails and 87 notifications that you "mentioned me" on those 87 people's talk pages. I have disabled e-mails for "Mentions" in my preferences so that won't happen again going forward, but you may want to rethink how the newsletter is distributed so that it doesn't trigger that kind of problem. I'm thinking especially about new project members. They join, and at the start of the next month, they get spammed with ~90 e-mails and/or notifications. It might give them a negative opinion of the WikiProject. Also, while the collapsable section headings help keep the display size manageable, I think that I would prefer to see the newsletter delivered more like the Signpost. I keep my Signpost on the edge of my Talk page so that I can refer to it every time. When it is updated, I am notified. The Signpost is essentially just a list of 6 or so links to the main sections of the newsletter, but some of the text changes with each issue so that it's easy to notice the update and pick and choose what interests me. The full-size newsletter format that you are using is good looking, but the functionality and speed of accessing the Signpost is more important to me than the looks of it. I think it also would prevent the "mentions" issue I mentioned above. Your thoughts? &mdash; Will  scrlt ( Talk | com | b:en | meta )  22:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Willscrlt - I apologize for this oversight and the problem it caused. I didn't take into account how the relatively new notifications system would function (or in this case, dysfunction) in unison with linked names in the newsletter. In the future, no more linking user names! For starters, I just removed the linked names at WikiProject Food and drink/Newsletter October 2013, although in your case, it was too late. I will reply more soon. I'll send a note to User:Jerem43 about this post, as he and I have been working together regarding the newsletter. Sorry about this again! Northamerica1000(talk) 22:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Northamerica1000. You can link user names and avoid the notification problem by wrapping the user names in the noping template. Please refer to the GOCE August newsletter for an example of how this is done. -- Diannaa (talk) 02:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Aaaah, thanks for the valuable info! If only I had known about this option before, the above problem could have been entirely avoided. Thanks again; I've made a note of this. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 03:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The noping tag information is quite useful. :-) NA, it wasn't a problem for me personally to receive all those e-mails--more of a big surprise than anything. Any thoughts about changing to a more stable (one that stays put on the talk page, as opposed to adding a new one each month inline) version of the newsletter, like the Signpost? &mdash; Will  scrlt ( Talk | com | b:en | meta )  07:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Regarding changing the format again, User:Jerem43 just did a bunch of work changing the formatting of the newsletter to the new version. I would prefer to wait, because another immediate change would negate all of the time and work Jerem43 put into the new format. I've placed a talkback template to this discussion on Jerem43's page, so let's wait for their response too. Personally, I feel that the new newsletter format isn't overly bearing on pages, due to it's new, more compact design. Also, the pull-down menus provide pertinent article and news information. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a couple of options you could consider for newsletter delivery. One is to transclude the newslettter onto the user talk pages ; another is to deliver a topsheet directing the user to the location of the newsletter and perhaps providing some highlights (sample topsheet). In both examples, the newsletter lives at a central location, and is not physically dropped on the members' talk pages. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:05, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Diannaa: Thanks for the information and examples. I sent the October 2013 issue as a transclusion on user talk pages. Another matter; it sure would be nice to eventually commission a bot to perform deliveries. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Hey, thanks so much! After everything regarding the newsletter itself is worked-out, I'll definitely keep auto-delivery in mind. Sending manually is time-consuming and tedious. Feel free to provide any additional input here at any time, and thanks again! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 14:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Group Project - Cornell University
Hi! My name is Shannon and I am a senior at Cornell University enrolled in Online Communities (COMM 3460). One of the projects that we were assigned for the semester is to edit a Wikipedia C-Class Article. My group chose to work with French Toast French toast. We noticed that you were one of the most recent editors of the article and we were hoping to get some advice on what type of content to include, changes to make and potential starting points. We are all new to Wikipedia so any advice you have would be great! Here are the links to our user pages...

User:Laurenjlloyd, User:Roycecab, User:ShannonClare06

Also here is a link to our class Wikipedia page if you need any more information on the project or the class...

Education Program:Cornell University/Online Communities (Fall 2013)

ShannonClare06 (talk) 19:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)ShannonClare06


 * Hello User:ShannonClare06: I'm currently taking a wikibreak, so keeping this short. An initial idea is to expand the French toast article to include more information about its history, if available. Expanding the article to include additional variants per country, if existent, is also an idea. Hope this helps out to provide some input. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:05, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice Northamerica1000, that helps! Enjoy your wikibreak! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShannonClare06 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, too. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 12:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't add that portal there
Please don't add the animals portal to all the horse and donkey articles; we have a horses portal that is not only more specific but is embeddeded into the wikiproject equine box that exists on every article talk page in the project (around 3500 now...) Unless, of course, you WANT to embed it in all 3500 articles... Montanabw (talk) 04:15, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Montanabw: thanks for the notice. I didn't check the template for portals listed there. Per your notion above, what do you think about adding the Portal:Animals link to it? While the Horses portal is more topic-specific, it's possible that readers may utilize the link to the Animals portal. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think so. Horses are a subset of animals.  Just like in categories and projects we don't tag both wikiproject animals, wikiproject mammals and wikiproject equine... It can be overdone.  IMHO.  We don't have a separate WikiProject for cattle, sheep, pigs, etc., just WikiProject Agriculture, so for them I think it may make sense.  Is there a mammals portal, though??   Montanabw (talk) 04:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Montanabw: Message received; makes sense. Also, the mammals portal is located at Portal:Mammals. Northamerica1000(talk) 05:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, one portal, ideally the one that is the closest to the topic... I don't think we have an agriculture portal yet...  Montanabw (talk) 05:25, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Montanabw: It exists at Portal:Agriculture and Agronomy Northamerica1000(talk) 05:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems a bit plant-heavy and livestock light. Might be a place to see if they want portal:animals and/or mammals added; too bad there isn't a livestock one.   Montanabw (talk) 05:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added the Animals portal to Portal:Agriculture and Agronomy/Related portals. Undecided at this time about adding the Mammals portal there, though. Northamerica1000(talk) 05:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point, Chickens aren't mammals... Montanabw (talk) 06:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Montanabw:Chickens aren't mammals, but they are animals; so...maybe they're mamimals? Northamerica1000(talk) 15:34, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * precisely! LOL!   Montanabw (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

6th planet entry advice
Hello,

I tried to enter a wiki entry for an iOS/other platform. Can you give me some advice on whats necessarry for it to be approved? I get that you need some extra notability proofs, but what exactly are those if not second party articles written for it (which I added in the references section, below the actual article).

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctraltjet (talk • contribs) 05:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Ctraltjet: I've taken another look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/6th Planet, and the submission is presently lacking in significant coverage in reliable sources. Reliable sources include news media (e.g. newspapers, BBC News, CNN, etc.) and books, and are used on Wikipedia to verify information and demonstrate topic notability in articles. Check out Identifying reliable sources for an informative content guideline page regarding the identification of said reliable sources.


 * Also, please be sure to sign your comments in Wikipedia talk pages using four tildes: ~ . Thank you. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject volleyball - invitation to discussion
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Non-admin closing as no consensus
You closed Articles for deletion/Paul Kimball. As you are aware NACs can not be done on contentious debates and are only for obvious results. I.e a no consensus result can only be done where there is little debate, not where it is a close AfD (which what a no consensus close inherently is) IRWolfie- (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing your perspective. At Non-administrators closing discussions this isn't a criteria, but I understand your concern, since you were for deletion of the article. I felt the close was appropriate because it wasn't a close call, and it was rather plain that no consensus was existent in the discussion. At the time, AfD was severely backlogged, and I was just helping out to reduce it. Delete !voters delineated that the subject hadn't received enough coverage, while the keep !voters stated that the subject had, and one provided sources to qualify this stance. It's rather late to reopen the discussion, but feel free to renominate the article for deletion again if you'd like, since you were for its deletion. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't care about the particular AfD, it is something I want you to consider moving into the future. NAC's are for uncontroversial where there is no judgement required i.e Snow, etc. It is not for controversial closes, which a NAC of no consensus is, IRWolfie- (talk) 09:47, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Gammon (meat)

 * Gammon (meat)

Could you please use inline cites to denote which cites you used for which facts in this article? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make improvements to Gammon (meat). Many sources are available. The sources I added demonstrate WP:N. Please consider improving the article more yourself, rather than asking others to do so. Check out: Be bold, "Wikis like ours develop faster when everybody helps to fix problems." Thank you in advance for considering this perspective. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I just thought since you were the one that had added those particular sources, you would know specifically which of those sources back up which facts in the main article text through inline citations. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Check out Gammon (meat) now. Only 1 fit in as a cite at this time. The other sources can be used to expand the article. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 16:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good, thanks for your help! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

List of vegetable oils
Thank you for adding Niger seed oil to List of vegetable oils. I've temporarily reverted your addition, not because it doesn't belong there, but because it's not quite complete. If you take a look at some of the other entries, you'll get an idea of what we need. Basically:


 * A short description of the something interesting about the oil (e.g. what it's used for).
 * A note of which plant it comes from.
 * A journal-quality reference or two that gives the reader someplace to go for further information.

Because this is a featured list, it's especially important to keep the entries up to standard. Would you mind taking another shot at the entry? Thanks!

Waitak (talk) 20:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Waitak: Check out the revised Niger seed oil entry at List of vegetable oils at this time. Thanks for the reminder that as a featured list, entries there need to be consistent. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Nicely done, thank you! Waitak (talk) 21:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Nathan Johnson (writer) AFD
I had already deletion sorted this AFD at per this edit over 4 hours ago....William 20:37, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I see how I missed it now...at the AfD discussion, you somehow listed the delete sort "Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of Authors-related deletion discussions ..." (underline emphasis mine, diff page). The typo "list of United States of Authors" is why the Authors deletion sort was missed. Hey, these things happen! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 21:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Edgeworth Eagles FC
You added a cat for "football clubs in Wales" to this. But unless I am badly mistaken, "New South Wales" is in Australia, not the UK. I edited to make this clearer and give something like a proper lead section to this sub-stub. DES (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * . Thanks for the correction, which is appreciated. Also, thanks for your additional improvements to the article. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:WER
Thanks for all the improvements to the various pages. One thing: If you'll notice @ the nomination talk page the sentence---"Please do not link to the nominee's user or talk page. The new notification system will inform them of their nomination and spoil the surprise"--- does not show up in red (the same as it does @ the nomination page). I know that this was added by Admin Brown at the time but it somehow got corrupted. ```<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  15:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User: Buster7: The notice atop the page appeared the same before I edited it (diff example). Note that the notice appears in large text when people go to edit the page, per the page notice at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Nominations. My edit simply added the tabbed header to this page (diff), but did not affect the page otherwise in this instance. Northamerica1000(talk) 22:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * ...However, upon consideration per your message above, to make information in the page's lead more prominent regarding not linking user names, I've added color to highlight information and enlarged the point size there. Northamerica1000(talk) 22:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * To make the message stand out more as per the formatting on other Editor of the Week (EOTW) nomination pages, I've added Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Nominations to the Nominations talk page. This should suffice. Now all EOTW nomination pages have a consistent header. Northamerica1000(talk) 22:24, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. And just to be clear...in no way did I mean to infer that anything you did today caused any corruption. I probably did something months ago to cause it. Heck- I can just barely spell "IT" |:~) ```<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  23:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's all good, and thanks for the reply. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 23:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Colin Peter Field
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Editor Retention
Meh...as long as everyone approves (even with a silent consensus) I support your changes as improvements...although, the project needs more than graphic changes.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, overall, the changes I performed were actually rather minor, and mostly involved slight streamlining, making the section headers on the main page easier to find by slightly enlarging them, adding tabbed headers and some organization of content and reducing the image sizes on the main page from the previous very large layout to their current size. Northamerica1000(talk) 02:20, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tabs are something that many editors like and some don't. It seems to me though that it does tie the other projects that are related together in a similar manner. I wonder if that "Editor of the week" template should have the EOTW logo replaced with the new one that was designed for the project and appears on the EOTW award template?--Mark Miller (talk) 19:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Mark Miller: Regarding image use, ✅ - This is a good idea, and makes consistent use of the image File:Editor of the week barnstar.svg on the project pages. See the new graphic's use in the notice boxes at the pages I updated:
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Hitha Prabhakar
Just as a heads up, it makes much more sense to me to have the discussion at the first place because the second was created out of a mistake and there is no point it being there. I've put it back that way.-- Laun  chba  ller  08:27, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Launchballer: I've closed the second nomination you made in error at Articles for deletion/Hitha Prabhakar (2nd nomination). Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 08:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Pemba Tamang and Vladimir Vasiliev
In my opinion, martial arts instructors are not academics and (unless affiliated with a more general-purpose institution of learning) should not be listed at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. This relates to two recent listings, Articles for deletion/Pemba Tamang (karate) and Articles for deletion/Pemba Tamang (karate). —David Eppstein (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello User:David Eppstein: The delete sort is encompassing for both academics and educators. The delete sort was added to the AfD discussion for the Pemba Tamang (karate) article because it is stated within the article that the subject, "...was a former Instructor of the Japan Karate Association (JKA) later becoming the Chief Instructor and President of Nihon Shotokan Karate-Do Federation, Japan". Instructors can generally be considered as educators, in my opinion. However, I understand your concerns, and will further consider this matter, as the delete sort page is typically for people in academia. Also, you linked to the same AfD twice in your comment above. Northamerica1000(talk) 20:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * In the Vladimir Vasiliev (martial arts) article, it states, "Vladimir Vasiliev is the director and chief instructor of the Toronto School of Russian Martial Arts...". Northamerica1000(talk) 20:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. That means he's a coach. Coaches aren't really the same thing as educators. Most of the discussions at that deletion sorting page revolve around WP:PROF, which is not suited for these people. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Per Oxford Dictionaries, a coach is defined as "an athletic instructor or trainer"; you're correct. I've removed the delete sort tags from the AfD pages and the remaining entry at the Academics and educators delete sort page. Thanks for your input. Northamerica1000(talk) 21:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * To User:Yunshui: Thanks very much. The page is a work in progress, and feel free to improve it if you'd like. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)