User talk:Norw73

Now see here you, have you even read my responses on the discussion page? Nothing you have written is accompanied by a verifiable reference. In fact, you have even modified existing text to completely contradict their own references (which are from notable, scientific sources by the way). There is a word for that: vandalism. I have already notified the administrators, and this persistant vandalism of yours is not helping you in any way.Mariomassone (talk) 11:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
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 * [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been blocked from editing for  in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.  The duration of the block is 24 hours. Here are the reverts in question. William M. Connolley (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Siberian tiger dispute
William N. Connolley

On the Siberianm Tiger- article I reacted at once I saw what was written. It looked more like a tiger hoax- site with pro- tiger propaganda, then a neutral informative site. So I edited it emidiatly to balance it.

I know for a fact that tiger do not hunt brownbears on regular basis. The article gave a clear impression that tigers usually hunt grown brown bears. They dont. Most of the killed bears are cubs or youngsters. I wrote that, but it was deleted. I wrote it was very rear that tigers killed grown brown bears. That was deleted. The article said that bears was afraid of tigers. I wrote the opposite, but again it was deleted. The internet is filled with hoaxes, especially about tigers. Therefor its important that atleast Wikipedia stay neutral about this instead of hoax- articles. I`m fearly new at this, so I did not know how to link documentation.

But I know what I`m talking about, so I have som links here to prove it. Here`s one that show that both bears and tigers have respect of eachother.

Yukadov, A.G. and Nicolaev: «Once during tracking we also noted the following fact: a tiger retreated, not attempting to hunt a large male brown bear in its den.љ The bear had set himself up for the winter in a small depression that he had dug near a fallen, broken-off shrub (Fig. 33), and the bear was quite visible. The tiger, having encountered the bear by chance, abruptly turned around at a distance of more than 25 m from this place and walked in the opposite direction by following his own old tracks.» .... "One brown bear, which was staying in an area permanently inhabited by tigers, clearly felt himself to be the complete master in that place. Another brown bear, once abruptly turned away from his former path upon his encounter with tiger tracks.љ But a large, apparently male, Himalayan (or Asiatic black) bear (which we observed visually), like the brown bear that has already been mentioned, clearly did not fear the presence of tigers.љ He walked along the tiger's tracks and rested in the same wild boar den as did the tiger.љ" So even a male Asiatic/Himalayan Black Bear, wich are small, did not fear the presence of the Siberian Tiger. Link: http://tigers.ru/books/ecolog/ch12_en.html


 * just noting that I moved your message from User:Mariomassone (the user page) to User talk:Mariomassone (the user talk page). Messages to an user are left in the talk page of the user. --Enric Naval (talk) 14:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that I have a bit of time to read about the dispute I can comment. That source looks like anecdotal evidence and not like a scientific analysis of number of deaths, or like a collation of all reports of encounters. The source presented by the other editor ("Mammals of the Soviet Union") appears to be of much better quality. I would suggest searching for sources that are at least as good as that one.


 * Also, try making tweaks to the text instead of removing stuff wholesome, and try asking for input from outside editors before reverting, even if it's annoying to let certain stuff remain into the article. --Enric Naval (talk) 05:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem is that this only tell half the truth. You will find the same angle in "Mammals of the Soviet Union" as I tried to edit, but he wont let me. He will not tell the other side of the story, and its very pro- tiger. Even in his links, he will find allt hose things I have added in the text. By the way, the book that I provided is just as good source as "mammals of the SU". So I guess that you`re not interested in the truth either.
 * It seem to me that Wikipedia is not much of a reliable source. Hope kids and young students find other sources then this propaganda site.


 * I've checked that book and it mostly describes incidents that they have observed, they only say that they found mixed reactions. Let's see if this helps. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! It helps, but it still gives a wrong impression. Most bears killed by tigers are cubs. http://www.amur-leopard.org/index.php?id=342 That info was not allowed for some reason. There are very few accounts the last 80 years of grown bears killed by tigers (think its 12 incidents and apr the same number the other way around. Most killed bears was hybernating), so its not like grown brown bears are on the tigers normally menu as the text will give readers impression of. In fact, the most normal way is to attack hybernatiing bears. Its extraordinary for a tiger to attack a grown brown bear. But when we read it, it gives the impression as if this is almost a daily thing for a tiger. The tiger Dale was recorded killing one grown bear that weighed about 170 kg (ref. Dale Miquelle in "The Siberian Tiger Project"), but was badly injured. The rest of the documented killed bears was youngsters less then 120 kg.

Thanks for the help.