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Speedy deletion nomination of Rochester Kings


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 * How can you delete something that redirects to an existing page? NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Ron James
How did you know that Ron James was with the Saskatchewan Roughriders? I can't find anything about it. Thanks WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Just got done interviewing him for my podcast. If you would like for me to provide a link, I will as soon as the show is finished. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 19:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

New York Streets moved to draftspace
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 * You are right. Reading more into it and, yes, someone in that organization jumped the gun and continues to say they are in the league when the league says otherwise.  More to this story is coming.  Stay tuned!  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:Washington Federals helmet 1984.png


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Please use better references and citation templates
Hello, another thing I have mentioned before, but please use better references when you create pages, such as Tucson IFL team (not Tucson IFL Team, see MOS:CAPS for why "Team" is not a proper noun here). Facebook, especially self-published posts as they are primary references, or possibly unreliable as they can be deleted (linkrot) and do not necessarily have editorial independence or oversight, and are not sufficient for a new page to meet WP:GNG. Also, as asked previously, please use a citation template such as Template:Cite web as this helps editors track archives for deadlinks when/if they occur. See my edit here on how to fix the raw link references. It takes the same amount of effort on your part to do this properly the first time and should help prevent linkrot in the future. Thank you, Yosemiter (talk) 12:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The reference link templates I do have been the same ones I have always done for years and I had never had any problems. Now there's a problem.  Rules change all the time and it's very difficult to keep up.  As far as the articles, I do the very best job I can to provide the best and most reliable sources I can to prove that the articles exists.  But the Wikipedia rules are just getting too vague and confusing.  Meaning nothing is ever good enough.  It's getting to the point where I just can't get an article up with the best information, references and sources I can only to have templates posted two minutes after I get it up asking for "reliable" sources.  I appreciate people's help to make the article better, which is all I ask for.  But enough of the "improvement" templates please.  Other talk about "vandalizing" articles.  Why are MINE being vandalized?  No clear answer.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Please clarify "vandalism" on your articles (by the way, not actually yours), I have never accused you of vandalism. I have simply asked for better references, and Facebook has never been considered a WP:GNG-worthy source for a new article as it is primary. I am not the only one to nominate articles you created for deletion, we just happen to have overlapping editing targets and I am trying to help you from having further articles deleted through cooperation. I have improved many of your articles, I was just hoping for you to keep up, and the tagging was a way so I didn't have to write here all the time. (Also, I did not edit it "two minutes after", it was seven hours. Having a section with content entirely composed of To be published... has never been acceptable in published article, only allowed in Drafts.) But there is a reason I have asked you to draft some of these subjects first, and that is specifically because the sources are lacking. Have you tried actually using WP:AfC. has helpfully placed a couple of your most recent articles in Draft status. All you have to do press Submit your draft for review!. It might take up to eight weeks, but you should obtain some constructive feedback from someone other than me (since you seem to dislike me). But you are correct, Wikipedia standards are continually becoming more defined, less vague, and, therefore, somewhat more restrictive. Yosemiter (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Then Wikipedia should stop using the phrase "The Free Encyclopedia", because it is considered by many as "deceptive". And Yosemiter, I never said I didn't like you.  The rules just keep getting thrown in my face every time I try and do something good for the site.  A majority of people I have talked to even say Wikipedia is "not a reliable source" because apparently there are items in articles they do not agree with or, if it is about them, they just say Wikipedia has "zero credibility".  Like for instance, the article I started about the Northern Arena Football league?  The owner didn't seem to care if there was an article or not because, as he told me (and others have, too), "Don't waste your time with Wikipedia.  They are not accurate."


 * I guess from now on, if there is something new that I feel would be a great article for Wikipedia, I will leave a suggestion here and let someone else do an article. That way it saves everyone from headaches.  Though, I think you DO like the face that I make great football helmets for articles.  I'll keep doing that.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 18:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * To be fair, if its not accurate, it is usually because it was not accurately reported in the media in the first place. Which, in fact, is why the General Notability Guideline exists. If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article, or its opposite would be: if a topic has NOT received received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is NOT presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article. We can only be as reliable as the verifiable references that are published. If the only reliable references are the subject itself, then it is not presumed to be notable. For indoor football, I think a good generic guideline for new team article creations might be a team joining the AFL, IFL, CIF, and NAL are all likely to receive independent coverage in the media. After that, it is probably a case-by-case basis. The AAL has been hit or miss. The EIF really only had some independent coverage on the New England Bobcats, which received more local coverage than the entire league and they are not even members any more. The Steam meet GNG on their past history and coverage in Savannah, but have not received independent coverage since the move to Statesboro (except perhaps the bankruptcy reports from Savannah). The NAF is just WP:TOOSOON to tell what, if any, coverage it receives. And I certainly like your helmets and logos (although a brush up on WP:NFCC might help stave off deletions of some of the old logos). I also left almost the entire Tucson team page as you wrote it, just with some standard cleanup and WP:Manual of Style edits. Yosemiter (talk) 19:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * And as you saw, I left the Cedar Rapids Titans page as it is, even though the franchise no longer uses that name anymore. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 08:32, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it is probably best to leave it as Titans per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES. Yosemiter (talk) 14:01, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Northern Arena Football
Just a suggestion (one I think I have advised several times to you now), but I would definitely consider making Northern Arena Football a draft instead of an article. It is WP:TOOSOON for it to meet WP:GNG as it has a brief mention, but no significant independent non-blog coverage as of today. We not presume that such a league will get independent media coverage in order to be considered notable. Maybe it was my approach, but you at least now seem open to Drafts per your response to about the TOOSOON New York Streets. If this league fails to launch (like many others that you created too soon), then we have to have another AfD on your page. All I am asking to start using Drafts and better sources please. Yosemiter (talk) 17:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The draft for Northern Arena Football can be removed now. The league has since been renamed Professional Arena Football with two separate divisions, Northern Arena Football and Southern Arena Football.  More details to come...  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Northern Arena Football moved to draftspace
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 * The draft for Northern Arena Football can be removed now. The league has since been renamed Professional Arena Football with two separate divisions, Northern Arena Football and Southern Arena Football.  More details to come...  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


 * You could move the draft to Draft:Professional Arena Football as well. While it might be WP:TOOSOON still for the PAF, it seems like it might (read WP:SPECULATION) meet GNG in the near future, especially if the Roughriders do actually join. Yosemiter (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Florida Tarpons
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 * Please stop trying to move the page, I contacted an admin with an overwrite authority for assistance to fix the mistake and move the page to your target. Yosemiter (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * It is fixed now. Carry on. Yosemiter (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 03:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Tucson Sugar Skulls
Thank you, Yosemiter, for thanking me for recent verification of the article. Now can that tag on the top of the page be removed since there has been verification. Also, can the team colors be added to each header. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 15:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

A-League (indoor football)
I have logos and helmets for three of the four teams in the new A-League, but have yet to see any references or resources except for websites, Facebooks, Twitters, Instagrams, etc. Will you be able to keep an eye out for any if any pop up? The Lakeland Tarpons are the only team already with an article. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 06:05, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have been, and this is the only one I have found so far, which is unfortunate because the only thing it got right is that it is operated by Tarpons and their no punting rule. The Ocala Panthers are not members, I believe they are one of their affiliated "development" teams that Haines has been writing about on the Tarpons website. Yosemiter (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Amarillo Sod Poodles logos
I'm figuring that the main logo for the Amarillo Sod Poodles will be this one...   I have not posted it yet, but can someone be absolutely sure this is correct before it does get published? NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Post it. Per this article, that is the primary logo. ("The primary logo features a coterie of Texas Sod Poodles defending their hometown turf. ") NatureBoyMD (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kind sir! NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Marion Mambas
The Professional Arena Football league announced a new team this week, the Marion Mambas. They are an expansion team and a charter team in a new league. If you can find any further information other than social media, please look into it. All there is is what is on social media, so I can not make a page. Thank you. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 16:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that announcement. You are also correct that unless it is covered in independent media, not social media, that we cannot presume notability for WP:GNG. I have also been tracking the PAF itself for media coverage, still not a single news report, only blogs as of yet. Maybe when the league gets closer to launching, there will be something out there for notability, but nothing is a sure thing yet. Yosemiter (talk) 17:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have talked to the owner Gregg Fornario myself directly and he says they are launching. He says once the league gets more teams and becomes stable, perhaps that will help.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, by "nothing is a sure thing yet", I meant media coverage. (Although, one could also argue that Wikipedia should never attempt to predict the future.) Yosemiter (talk) 17:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

And this is why we never make assumptions: No Go for the PAF. Yosemiter (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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New York Streets
Once there are better looking logos and once we know for sure which helmet will be the home helmets, there will be more work on the New York Streets article. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * This is all because people find fault in my articles and downloads all the time. Now there are guidelines for talk pages?  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI, the links Diannaa added is just to inform you how to control your talk page when there is a lot of content. When pages get too large (such as your 450 sections) it becomes very difficult for editors to interact or collaborate with you due to the unwieldy size of the page. They are just trying to help. (Personally, I make a new archive for every 50-100 sections to make it easier to find archived conversations). Yosemiter (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of New York Streets for deletion
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 * I did not do the article. Only the logo upload.  And besides, the article is legit.  The links to news articles prove it.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 08:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Gulf Coast Pirates (AIF)


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Manatees / Fire Frogs merger
Per the templates you added, it looks like you've proposed merging both Brevard County Manatees & Florida Fire Frogs into one another. Is that correct, or did you intend to propose merging Manatees into the Fire Frogs? If so, Manatees should use and Fire Frogs should use. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are the same franchise and seem to share history and the separate articles seem to show a connection. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * NostalgiaBuff97501, is asking which page should be merged into which. Please read Merging as you only did part of Step #2, you never started a discussion on the target talk page (Step #1). When proposing a merger, one should identify a single talk page location to discuss the merger to gain a consensus. In Step #2, by not defining a location in the "discuss=" parameter (they are different on each page right now with the Mantees "Discuss" linking to Talk:Brevard County Manatees and the Fire Frogs' "Discuss" linking to Talk:Florida Fire Frogs)it makes it confusing when trying to find the discussion, or even what your intent of the merger is. Using both with  is incorrect as at least one of the pages should remain if merged. Hope this helps. Yosemiter (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * NostalgiaBuff97501, from your reply I assume you mean merging the Manatees into Fire Frogs. I have made the necessary changes to the merge templates and have begun the discussion at Talk:Florida Fire Frogs. NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

KURT-FM (Bend, Oregon) moved to draftspace
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 * What's the concern about the rationale? These are the logos that the AFL has used before.  There should be NO disputes.  If the current logo can be used, so can the others since they are also owned by the league.  There should not be ANY concerns.  The policies are WAY too vague.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Cincinnati Swerve
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Proposed deletion of Sacramento Spartans


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 * Might as well delete it. It looks as though they will not be joining the American West Football Conference after all.  Likely won't play anywhere.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Tampa Bay Tornadoes for deletion
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 * You need to give it time to find more articles before instantly nominating it for deletion. NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 20:54, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. We don't make the articles in anticipation of them one day having sources (read WP:TOOSOON). The must meet WP:GNG before the articles are created. (Also, your comment here to a notification template does nothing for your argument. If you want to be heard, make your comment at Articles for deletion/Tampa Bay Tornadoes. No one will read your talk page because it is way too large.) Yosemiter (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There are WAY to many guidelines to even keep up with. No wonder people in the know complain about it.  Nothing fundamental, just WAY too many guidelines to understand.  NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 00:11, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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Deciding to leave
It's seems to me that now public notes are being written about me and what contributions I am making. I do the best I can to give each article accurate and factual information and show sports logos that ARE accurate enough to be placed in the articles. Yet, I am being peppered with stuff like this:


 * The file "so-and-so" has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:

"Non-free former logo whose use in 'such-and-such fails WP:NFCC and WP:NFC. Non-free former logos may be allowed when the logo itself is the subject of sourced critical commentary about how the logo or team's branding has changed over the years, but they are not really allowed just to show the how the former logo looked. There needs to be a stronger contextual connection between the actual logo and the article content discussing the team's choice of branding."


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 * Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

Another good example is when the old logos for the Arena Football League where removed because they "did not comply with guidelines". It's total B.S. because those logos ARE a part of the league's history and it shows it at SportsLogos.net as proof. But that's just not enough, isn't it? Also, I feel like I am being treated like a second-class citizen when I have more knowledge about the stuff I put on here as you do. But you don't want to hear any of it. Then, someone goes and PUBLICLY asks someone for some advice:

"Hi 'so-and-so'. Do you have suggestions on how to try and impress upon that he needs to do a better job of complying with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, particularly those related to non-free content use. You'll get the general idea just from looking at all of the image-related notifications added to his user talk page over the years, and the sheer number of them makes it seem that he's not really trying to understand why they were added in the first place. His only response seems to be this, or something similar (see Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 October 25 for another example).Many of his uploads have been deleted for one reason or another, sometimes even via FFD, but he continues to go on upload sport team logos, even occasionally re-uploading a deleted file or files (perhaps unintentionally), without any apparent concern for previous discussions or relevant policies and guidelines. He also continues to upload exceedingly large files despite have been advised to avoid doing this as far back as July 2015 and then again in in 2018 once again. His issues apparently aren't only with logos as can be seen with previously raised concerns needing to be repeated only to receive the same "things are too vague" type of response in return. Perhaps there's a way to avoid this ending up at WP:ANI because he also does seem to make some positive contributions; these, however, are starting to be outweighed (at least in my opinion) by the cleaning up the community often needs to after his edits. I'm beginning to wonder whether the WP:IDHT approach he seems to take every time his edits are questioned is starting to indicate a bit of a WP:CIR problem, particularly with respect to image use."

I saw it and I don't appreciate it! It seems to me like I do what I can to make these article MUCH more accurate and up to date and I have to have proof and resources and follow guidelines which, in my humble opinion, are too vague and hard to understand. Plus, trying to correct things causes me to jump through hoops. It's a joke and I have had enough! So I have made the decision to leave this site because of two reasons, Marchjuly and Yosemiter. I tried to be calm and courteous and keep quiet about everything that has gone on, but I finally had to let off some steam. Being accused of "vandalism" in some articles when I was only trying to help. They are a joke and I hope you open they eyes to see what they are doing. Marchjuly and Yosemiter, if you think you can do a better job than me at what I have done, then YOU go right ahead. Let's see how far you get without my fabulous helmets and unique designs.

"The FREE Encyclopedia"? My ass! Nobody believes that this is an accurate site anyway. You're welcome for everything! Is THAT "vague" enough for you?!? Goodbye, Felicia! And good riddance!!! NostalgiaBuff97501 (talk) 05:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:Rio Grande Valley Dorados Helmet 2019.png


The file File:Rio Grande Valley Dorados Helmet 2019.png has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Non-free image which is not needed per WP:NFCC. There is already a non-free file of the logo (File:Rio Grande Valley Dorados.png) being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox; so, there's no need for two non-free files which are providing essentially the same information. If the color of the helmet is worth mentioning in the article, it can be sufficiently done so using text per WP:FREER."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the file's talk page.

Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:PASL Pro Logo.png
Thank you for uploading File:PASL Pro Logo.png. However, there is a concern that the use of the image on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Non-free content. Details of this problem, and which specific criteria that the image may not meet, can be obtained by going to the image description page. If you feel that this image does meet those criteria, please place a note on the image description or talk page explaining why. Do not remove the di-fails NFCC tag itself.

An administrator will review this file within a few days, and having considered the opinions placed on the image page, may delete it in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion or remove the tag entirely. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

File:Rio Grande Valley Dorados Helmet 2019.png listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Rio Grande Valley Dorados Helmet 2019.png, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)