User talk:Notrium

July 2020
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Milutin Milanković. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  00:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I changed "Serbian" to "Yugoslav" four times in 14 days (while trying very much to discuss on Talk and getting one nonsensical response, but mostly being ignored), but how am I to recognize that (preventively) as edit warring? Also note that that wasn't the only thing I did in those edits, and that I have no prior involvement with the article. Also, that wasn't what I was blocked for; I was blocked for my last edit (at the end of the third week) that was based on consensus (removing Serbian without adding Yugoslav).

Also, considering what I laid out in the rest of my appeal, I think I deserve a shorter block.

And please tell me what should I have really done so as not to get blocked (which I didn't expect, BTW) and still move WP forward. The way I see it (and the way I interpret BRD and other methods of reaching consensus), discussion is necessary to move forward, and how am I supposed to make discussion happen if other editors are content with just reverting me without discussing, or with "discussing"/ranting with no regard to Wikipedia policy or guidelines? I've had similar problems on other pages (but also as part of my MOS:BIO in Balkans lead paragraphs effort) where a user literally insulted me and told me he doesn't care to discuss with me - I'm not equating the situation altogether, but in effect they are very similar in that there is a "dispute" where one side does not care to discuss or learn anything. (BTW, I wasn't talking about Sadko, they are a relatively good editor, but note that even their comment on the talk page came only after I pinged them to the Talk page after they reverted me, and even then it largely didn't make sense because of a misremembering/misunderstanding of theirs as I pointed out in my response there.) Notrium (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tangentially related: look at this IP: Special:Contributions/178.9.202.230. Four reverts in a row at Battle of Kosovo. His latest edit: revert on Milutin Milanković with a vandalism aspersion. Notrium (talk) 06:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

From WP:BP:
 * 1) WP:BLOCKPREVENTATIVE: "Blocks should be preventative" - how is this block supposed to be preventive if I am not even being taught how to recognize the behavior I am being punished for?
 * 2) WP:BEFOREBLOCK: I got none of that. Notrium (talk) 07:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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