User talk:Novasource/Archive1

Regency Bridge
Hey! Thanks for the edits and the confirmation that the Regency Bridge is indeed open again. Looks great now.. photos really illustrate the bridge well and give a better sense of 'feel' to the article if that makes sense. Its a shame that I had not investigated the current state of the bridge, living only about 45 minutes from it in Brownwood!

Thanks again, from one road geek to another --Aika 15:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for RfA nomination!
Thank you VERY much for the nomination for adminship. I truly appreciate it and hope that, if successful in this attempt, I can put my admin powers to good use in improving Wikipedia. Again, thank you! (P.S. Your own vote would be appreciated!) &rArr; BRossow T/C 17:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Speed limits in the United States
now has an SVG. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates! ) 19:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Perfect! Thanks! Nova SS 19:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Manual of Style (dates and numbers) shows: "In the United States and Canada, it is February 17, 1958 ." Therefore, there is no need to delink dates in Speed limits in the United States.--Jusjih 04:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? That is not a policy statement on when to use dates. That only explains how to list them. There is no point in cluttering up a page with every possible link. On the page we are discussing, the dates in and of themselves are not historically significant, so they should not be linked. Nova SS 15:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless someone develops a new format to allow date conversions for users' preferences without linking, linking them is the only way for now. Some people suggest something like ||February 17||, ||1958|| but it has yet to be enabled. Please be patient for now.--Jusjih 03:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Salad Fingers episodes
Hi. you removed the cleanup template. there was a reason for it being there that was stated in the Salad Fingers talk page but I forgot to copy it. -Phorque 12:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Just copy it over to the episodes page, and then you can re-add the tag.
 * Nova SS 14:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:RainbowBridge (Texas).jpg
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:RainbowBridge (Texas).jpg, has been listed at Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page to provide the necessary information on the source or licensing of this image (if you have any), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.
 * These are my own images that I personally took. I am reverting all your delete tags. Nova SS 02:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Metric Units in US articles
Nova,

I seen your post on User talk:Drumguy8800 and laughed because I was going there to tell him the same exact thing. Except I de-metricified his edits to the city of Dallas article not speed limits.&mdash;MJCdetroit 15:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I hardly consider the articles where I've added metric conversions "damaged." The US conversions are still in tact if not expanded on all articles I edit.  It may be a moot-point to argue here, but the entire planet uses the metric system and it seems logical to me that those units (which the United States will ultimately convert to) take precedence at an international encyclopedia.. otherwise we're just being culturally imperialistic.  Beyond that, the only thing you and the other editors who spoke to me have a problem with is the order in which the measurements are written.. which as far as any of us know (per source data), the decision is not backed by Wikipedia policy: the MOS does not specify which unit should go first beyond the unit a reliable source originally provided.  To prevent Americans from feeling culture-raped I will use the format "customary (metric)" but by no means is it beneficial towards a standardized, useful encyclopedia for the other 6.2 billion people that live here on Earth.


 * Per WP:MOS - Dates & Numbers - Units of measurement I will spell out the first unit used and start using "&amp;nbsp;" in the conversion as to not break lines.


 * This message is not personalized, it is being sent to each of the three editors who .. in rapid succession .. reprimanded me. drumguy  8800  -  speak  20:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a userbox for your user page (or you can delete it)&mdash;MJCdetroit 20:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

User Not in metric


 * Haha, thanks! It's going up right now. Nova SS 20:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Some "unkind individual" actually deleted the userbox so I redid it and left the word sucks out of the title. &mdash;MJCdetroit 02:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What a gnard banger. Do you know who did that? Nova SS 02:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I placed the userbox back in the same location. He just deleted again, as I typed. WTF. MJCdetroit 02:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Who is doing this? Isn't that abuse? Nova SS 02:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have added Template:User Not in metric to Requests_for_investigation. Nova SS 02:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I posted a message on his talk page to ask why. Check out where I posted the userbox&mdash;Userboxes/Beliefs. He speedy deleted (becuz he's an admin) this a template and one Template:User Mao Zedong (not mine) but, he left one about the death penalty.  We'll see what comes of it. MJCdetroit 03:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. I did not know that Michigan lefts were really offically called Michigan lefts until I read your talk page and the article. I also didn't know that they were so rare outside of Michigan.  Learn something new everyday.&mdash;MJCdetroit 03:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

"Inappropriate"
It is not necessary to say that my conversions were "inappropriate." Bad form to down a legimate editor, I'd hope you aren't an administrator. For further reference, if you ever need to "revert" someone's edits, you say something like "per WP:MOS." And there are hundreds and hundreds of articles that I've provided metric conversions with precedence on.. I'd hate to say that you're fighting a losing battle, but so would I if I continued to go against the flow. I'm not sure how long the debate has been brewing (or how many times) but until something definite comes up, I suggest that we both figure something else to nitpick about. drumguy 8800  -  speak  20:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Some day when you graduate from high school, you'll understand. Nova SS 20:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You responded on my user page instead of whoever else it was your were trying to reach. You telling how to use units is based on your own POV too.  "our articles about us"?  That's a POV, meaning it isn't neutral.  Neutral is an objective, world-wide view.


 * Also, I'm trying to be civil here, please be civil in your responses.  drumguy  8800  -  speak  21:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Do children these days know when to stop? Hint: you're wrong, you got reprimanded, give it up, and move on. Nova SS 21:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Michigan Left
What is the basis for your argument that ""expense" has little to do with "safety" and "stressful"" on the Michigan Left article? Adding this additional expense, ie traffic lights, creates safer intersections and also reduces stress for those using them. I can at least verify the latter. There are well over 10 michigan left roads in my area and I certainly feel less stressed when there is a light on both the ML and road, as opposed to a simple stop sign on the ML. I didn't add this information, but I feel whoever did was right to add it. --Jelligraze 00:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * At best, there is only a peripherial relationship between expense and safety. Otherwise, you would have to argue that adding platinum and gold flakes to the asphalt makes for a safer road. Nova SS 02:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds like an Ole and Lena joke. Ole and Lena were on the highway heading toward Upper Michigan. As they neared the border, they saw a road sign that read "Michigan left". So they just shrugged their shoulders, turned around and drove back home. Wahkeenah 19:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Tony Sidaway report on WP:RFI
I'm removing that report. I'm not doing this because I don't think it is worthy of investigation. Rather Tony Sidaway's actions are far broader in scope than that specific incident, and therefore that page isn't really able to handle such issues (I'm often the only admin who does anything with reports on that page). You could try WP:ANI (admin's noticeboard for incidents) or request for comment (you'd find Tony is currently at number 3 for a different issue - Requests for comment/Tony Sidaway 3). Also as I pointed out in the removal of the template reports, deletion review is the place to ask for out of process deletions to be overturned. Hope that helps, feel free to ask my any further questions. Petros471 20:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Arturo Ritti
Glad I could help out keeping this vandal in check. Have a great weekend. Rrude 21:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the Jeffrey Skilling article, I think you will find another group of IP addresses that *might* be from this same guy, something in the 200 range I think. When he added all those sarcastic remarks about it being coincidental, as I had expected him to, the game was up and I deleted that so-called "trivia" that I had previously maintained a semi-neutral stance on. The guy just has some axes to grind, I reckon. Wahkeenah 05:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Such as:


 * 212.134.24.159
 * 212.134.22.248
 * 212.134.24.172

Also:
 * 80.41.14.182
 * 80.41.116.72

Wahkeenah 05:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I am getting very tired of dealing with that character. We must have had 10 or 20 reverts recently. He rants like a conspiracy-theorist, while also denying that posting that "trivia" about Skilling and Lay is anything more than a "basic fact". Wahkeenah 18:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. He is a moron. You may get somewhere by asking admins to put that block on pages that prohibits anonymous editing. That would totally block him out. Nova SS 04:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I am reluctant to bring this to the attention of the Admins, since they would probably yell at me for "feeding the squirrels". I see User:Rrude is also back on the case. I'm sure that Upper Class British Twit a-none is getting a lot of glee over all this. Wahkeenah 19:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I recommend that we stop interacting with this guy, and just silently revert his "work". I'm sure part of the thrill is the "dialogue", and if we don't interact, he will probably get bored with it eventually. Wahkeenah 11:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Nova SS 13:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've posted this incident on the WP:ANI, see Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents if you want to comment. Petros471 20:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He seems to have disappeared. Or is he just biding his time? Wahkeenah 23:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Metrics
I would like the metric system a lot better if they had made the meter the same length as the yard. It would be so much better. Apparently, the only way to achieve an international measuring system was to invent something no one liked, equally. Wahkeenah 06:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Here your reversion was appropriate, however, you might want to not insult people in your edit summaries. Thanks, Mak (talk)  02:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
re: (Correcting possessive form. It's Texas's, not Texas'.) Ufwuct 18:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's legal to shoot morons down here, so don't dare spell it that way if you're in Texas. :-)


 * Do you know anywhere else these pinheads of the "Special People's Punctuation Club" have instituted their own special rules of punctuation?


 * Nova SS 19:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Warning shot to any possessive pinheads
This is a warning shot to any pinheads who think it's OK to leave off the s after the apostrophe on all singular nouns that end in s: it is a weird, non-mainstream form to leave off that s. Please use mainstream forms of punctuation on Wikipedia.

In the meantime, check out these:
 * archive 44 of this talk page
 * Apostrophe

Nova SS 19:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have this discussion almost monthly, if English were how she is used by the mainstream, everyone would get their "just desserts" (which is wrong, it's "just deserts", but the weight of mainstream use leans to "desserts") and we'd all be liable to virii (eep, just don't start me on that one) - mainstream doesn't always mean appropriate or correct. --Alf melmac 11:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're writing a document for the masses, and you have one usage that is mainstream and another usage that is highly irregular, you should use the mainstream method. In print publications, you almost never see the trailing s left off. Nova SS 12:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I dispute the "almost never" of that. From where I stand, leaving off the trailing 'S' is standard, and adding it back is becoming mainstream. Then there's the other issue, of leaving out the apostrophe before the S when it belongs. That's another problem. :) Wahkeenah 13:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In William Strunk Jr. and E. B. White The Elements of Style from 1979, which is based on a 1935 book, the very first "elementary rule of usage" on page 1 is "form the possessive singular of nouns by adding 's". The exceptions it lists are "pronominal possessives" and certain distinct words and phrases such as "Jesus'" or "for righteousness' sake." So this isn't a new rule. Nova SS 21:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The arbitrariness and lack of clarity of when to use "s's" and when to use "s'" is probably the reason teachers in my day tended to take the "all or none" approach. Wahkeenah 21:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, there is a degree of arbitrariness, but I think in the vast majority of cases, you just slap on a 's. Nova SS 21:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Slap on, slap off... The Slapper." Lights out. :) Wahkeenah 21:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Leaving off the extra 'S' is how I was taught in my all-white-upper-middle-class public schools, back in the 1950s. It is not weird or non-mainstream. It is only in recent years that the trailing 'S' has started to creep in. On that other topic, one could say that until they started making hamburgers, Dairy Queen featured "just desserts". :) Wahkeenah 12:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I grew up in several mostly white Texas public school districts, and I always was taught to use the s after the apostrophe except with plurals that end in s. Regardless of what one was taught, though, the record seems clear that habitually leaving off the s is nonstandard. Nova SS 12:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the record is at all clear on this matter. Regarding Texas, it's fairly certain they didn't want a word that says or suggests "Tex-ass". >:) Wahkeenah 13:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * :-P Nova SS 21:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Part of the trouble stems from how you pronounce it. "William's" is obviously pronounced "Williams". But is "James'" pronounced "James" or is it pronounced "Jameses"? I think that question is at the core of the unresolved dispute. Wahkeenah 12:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have always pronounced it "Jameses." Otherwise, how are you verbally indicating a possessive? Nova SS 12:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not everyone does, and that's part of the issue. It's just a subject of some interest. I'm not possessive about it. :) Wahkeenah 13:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding "virii", the presumed Latin plural for "virus", I have to ask, are you talking Latin, or are you talking English, where it's "viruses". I have this same occasional debate about "stadiums" (English) vs. "stadia" (Latin). No one says "stadia" out loud, lest they be thought a bozo. Wahkeenah 12:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Spelling correction
Hi there, I noticed this edit: "Reverted inappropriate bot edit. Don't bot correct spelling on talk pages" on Manual of Style... Thing is, that's not a talk page. Thanks/wangi 12:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yikes, so sorry! Nova SS 21:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Texas's vs Texas'
Hello Novasource! You changed spelling of  East Texas' , replacing it with  East Texas's  - which I believe is incorrect. I have not reverted the edits, I just wondered if you can explain why you think the original form was incorrect. Thanks, Nimur 14:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A few reasons:
 * I live in and was schooled in Texas. Anyone who spells it Texas' would be branded a commie or an idiot and shot on the spot.
 * Texas's is correct, mainstream, and follows how it is pronounced, unlike Texas'. See the MOS Usage section and the apostrophe page's section about possessive forms of nouns ending in s.
 * Nova SS 17:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edits
Hi, your edits on your talk page and other talk pages are incivil or bordering on incivility. Could you please watch your language a bit? We're trying to construct an encyclopedia together, and calling other people pinheads or morons does not really help in reaching that goal. --JoanneB 22:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)