User talk:Noyster/Archive 17

Please comment on Talk:List of the verified oldest people
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Publishing the article
My article "Dhevaakar Suppiah" is still not yet published. I have created that as to write about a notable actor. I believe I have given a good references too. Already a month but still not approved to publish. User: Dhevaakar Suppiah Actor dheva_pro@yahoo.com dheva_pro@gmail.com Dhevaakar Suppiah Actor (talk) 15:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Dhevaakar Suppiah Actor You have been warned before about attempting to use Wikipedia for self-publicity. The current contents of your user page are very far removed from what would be accepted as an article. In particular, the page is still full of self-praise such as He made his life with the a meaningful journey and A man with many talents and a heart that cares and shares to quote but two examples. It completely lacks any references to independent sources (which does not include other Wikipedia articles) to demonstrate notability. If you continue in this way I have to warn you that your editing privileges are likely to be removed. The only alternative is to create a neutrally worded, factual and well-referenced draft and submit it for review using the process explained in Your first article Noyster (talk),  18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Lindy West
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Maxwell The Cat deletion
Please help me nominate properly Maxwell The Cat article for deletion. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello again Bbarmadillo. You have created a page with the correct title Articles for deletion/Maxwell The Cat, but it hasn't been transcluded to today's log. I should ask for speedy deletion of your page (WP:G7) and start again. The process is set out here, but much the simplest way is to install Twinkle (if you haven't already). Then open the article in question, go for the "xfd" tab, type in your reason and the thing's done.
 * I would also suggest offering a stronger argument than "I think...", focussing on absence or inadequacy of coverage in reliable independent sources – and you will be expected to have looked for such sources yourself, not rely just on the fact that the article doesn't refer to any (see WP:BEFORE). What counts is not whether the video may be considered "viral" but whether it has received substantial independent coverage in the media. The deletion policy page sets out valid grounds for deleting an article. Regards Noyster (talk),  22:55, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 07:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Birth date and age
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Issue with the date template
Hi. Please help me with Carl Fredrick Becker article. I couldn't find exact dates of his birth (only the year) and it creates confusion in infobox with his age. How can I fix it? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 07:11, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Bbarmadillo. Good to see your well-referenced new article. I should use instead of, as the latter is suitable for living people Noyster  (talk),  08:38, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. He was a cool guy, legendary in his field. I changed the birth date to birth year and also changed the template for death date. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Re: Real Madrid Castilla
Not only is that the current name of the team, but it was also the name of the team when Juan Mata played for them, which is the more pertinent fact, IMO. – PeeJay 11:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, the name was current then as well as now:) I'll remember to clarify this if there is another challenge. With thanks Noyster (talk),  11:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion
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What is wrong with the archive date?
Hi. Please check the article Jim Adler, reference number 10. I don't understand why the archivedate appears in red. What is wrong with it? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 21:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please ignore, I found the cause of this bug. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 22:10, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Main article not working at Patrick Sweeney (entrepreneur)
Please check Patrick Sweeney (entrepreneur) (in creation) part about ODIN technologies. I have inserted "main page" template into this part but it doesn't seem to work. What is wrong with it? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 08:27, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In your link you correctly used a capital T in Technologies, but the article linked incorrectly used a small t. I've moved the article title Noyster (talk),  08:41, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Nominating Marisa Peer article for slow deletion
Please help me to understand the sequence of actions for recovering Marisa Peer article. This is COI entry, but I haven't been able to state it after the warning from user Rentier, the article has been deleted too fast. I think that Marisa Peer is a notable person, she has been featured in several UK and US TV shows and authored 4 books. Her life and biography is covered by the US and UK press. I contacted the nominator and got negative feedback. I think this article should be nominated for slow deletion so that the community could decide it's fate. Maybe it should stay but in abridged version. Find the details on my request here talk. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 10:26, 29 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Bbarmadillo, I'm sure you wouldn't want your article deleted by any mechanism. I didn't read it when live and now, of course, can't assess it. Especially for a known paid editor, it's sometimes a fine line between showing why a topic is important enough for an article ("notable" in our terms) and seeming to be promoting it or doing PR for it.
 * Here's my suggested course:
 * Have a good look at WP:NAUTHOR and ask yourself if you could make a reasonable policy-based case for asserting her "notability".
 * If so, add the title to your COI declaration.
 * Then go once more to Seraphimblade. Say you are disclosing your COI. Say briefly why you think the topic is notable and ask for "userfication" of the page so that you can work on it further and remove any apparent promotionalism.
 * If the answer is still no, post at Deletion review with a reasoned case for userfication.
 * If this too fails, I hope you have kept the materials to reconstruct the article – just make a new one ensuring that it is well-sourced and avoids any hint of promotionalism. Perhaps put it through Articles for creation for a review before it goes live.
 * Hope this is helpful Noyster (talk),  11:19, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Very helpful indeed, thank you. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 13:07, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor)
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Consensus
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Roots indoor American football tournament
I rescued the link. You should probably alter your statement now. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you WikiOriginal-9, I have duly changed the reason in the PROD, but the link – a bare results table once on the website of one of the participating clubs – does very little to establish "notability", so for me the PROD stands. If you know of independent sources with sufficient coverage of the tournament to establish notability, by all means add them to the article and remove the PROD Noyster (talk),  20:45, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Personal Knowledge Comes
... from experience and is not easily Disproved. RCNesland (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Advertising?
Wikkkk9 (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2017 (UTC) Hi Noyster, I can't understand why you think there is kind of advertising in my contributions and where ( https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%8F%D0%BD, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wikkkk9/sandbox ) But I changed links, is it OK now?


 * Wikkkk9 Thanks for asking for clarification of my message. I don't read Bulgarian and have no opinion on your contributions to Bulgarian Wikipedia. But as regards the draft article in English on Kristina Krasimirova Dimitrova, I was concerned with what appeared to me a promotional tone. It helps that you removed the sentence beginning "The mission of Interlaced...". You may want to look again at such wording as Influential Journalist/Blogger, Often in front of (and behind) the camera, and the talk about "passions". This sort of language seems like "spin" and is not what we would expect to see in an encyclopedia.
 * However, the decision whether to accept the article is not up to me, and now that you have submitted it to Articles for creation it will be best to await the review there. Make sure that you have assembled the best possible sources giving some detail about the person, meaning that the sources are independent (not connected with the person or influenced by her) and reliable (accurate and unbiased).
 * If it's OK with you I have moved the page to Draft:Kristina Krasimirova Dimitrova, as Draft namespace is the normal location for draft articles awaiting review. Regards Noyster (talk),  18:17, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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Guillaume Nery
Hello,

All the content added today was written by Guillaume Nery himself, if you take time to watch is TedX you will find is sentence. https://www.ted.com/talks/guillaume_nery_the_exhilarating_peace_of_freediving As in his book "Depths" or in any interview that he had given.

Best regards

Bastienkohtoa (talk) 11:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Bastien


 * Hello again Bastien. I don't think you have quite grasped the basic principle of Wikipedia, that its articles are based on reliable, independent sources. We cannot accept an article based on what Nery has said or written about himself, whether in speeches, interviews, or books. These we call self-published sources and they do not meet our requirement of verifiability. The other problem was that the additions were full of statements that did not convey facts but just seemed to be aiming to show the subject in a good light: I already gave a few examples on your talk page. This violates another principle we have, that of neutrality.


 * If you still consider that the existing article should be improved, my advice is to start again and seek out factual information that other people unconnected with Nery have published about him. Summarise what they say, add a reference and express it neutrally – the idea is to tell the world important facts about Nery, not to lead the reader to think "that's a fine man".


 * Please do read some of the links to Wikipedia policy that I am providing for you. After that, if I can make the message any clearer then please ask me <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  16:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: HACEMOS (November 11)
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The comment the reviewer left was:

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SwisterTwister  talk  06:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice
Thanks Dr. Sroy (talk) 12:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Question about using sort parameter
Hi. Please take a look at this article Cold Water Cowboys. It is at AfC process now. I have a question about the "sort" parameter at "Cast". I really copied the tab from another article and don't really understand how the "sort" parameter works. What should it do? Is it a problem that 2 different entities have the same sort parameter "Kerrivan"? Thank you. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 17:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Bbarmadillo Turns out that template is "deprecated" now. If you want a table to sort differently from the natural order, the advice is to use , as explained here. The "data-sort-value" would come immediately before the cell contents. Hope this helps <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>  (talk),  20:29, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Should I have this parameter at all and have just "clear values" at table? How does it help user experience? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand what you're getting at here, but the idea is to have the table sortable on surname while still presenting the surname as the second of two names, like "Rick Crane". That way, for instance, the Kerrivans father and son will appear one below the other. There are always alternatives: you could have separate columns for first name and surname, or you could present the names surname first like "Crane, Rick" <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  08:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Got the point thank you! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 08:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Emily Beecham
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Userspace / draft?
Hi. Please take a look at this page. Should it be turned into a draft? How to do it? I don't think I understand the difference between the userspace and draft. What is the right place to create upcoming articles for the AfC? Thank you in advance. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:46, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Drafts submitted to AfC are normally located in the Draft namespace, and that is where drafts created using the article wizard are automatically placed. Indeed AfC reviewers will often move a submitted user draft to Draft space in the course of reviewing. So the recommended approach is to develop a draft in a user subpage, then when you consider it ready for submission, to move it to Draft space yourself.
 * In other respects, the distinction between user drafts and those in draft space is not hard and fast, but user drafts are regarded as more "private" and will not normally be edited by others. It's worth knowing that pages lingering untouched in Draft space, whether declined at AfC or never submitted, may be speedy deleted as stale drafts after six months <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  23:38, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Using sfn
Hi. Please take a look at Ken Banks. I wonder if I am using sfn template correctly or not for citing several times the same book(Social Entrepreneurship and Innovation: International Case Studies and Practice). This article is a bit misleading. Thank you in advance. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 19:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Your refs using look fine to me Bbarmadillo, only that the full book ref shown below the numbered list itself has a page number in it, which probably shouldn't be there <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>  (talk),  22:18, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Will fix the page. Should't I move the book to "Bibliography" (like at Bill Gates article)? Checked some other examples of using . -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can add a section heading "Sources" or "Bibliography". Practice varies but especially if the list is short I see no harm in leaving them as bulleted items at the end of the References. Bracket them with and  to get typeface and indentation matching the numbered refs <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>  (talk),  22:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I did it and it looks good. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

great
thanks for removing the biased collage on kashmiris page. KYUHOPLK39 (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the greeting, Noyster!
Cheers, Phil Jackson — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilJackson (talk • contribs) 17:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jamanka has been accepted
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You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. . Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! ·•· 1997 kB  18:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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Please comment on Talk:List of American state and local politicians convicted of crimes
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