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Musical help again
Recently, I redirected the page Send a Message to My Heart to the album it's on, and has since been accusing me of "vandalism" (their words, not mine) for redirecting a non-notable song to its album. (See here for more info.) I have tried to inform the user several times that not every song needs its own Wikipedia page. Here, I even offered what I thought was a reasonable compromise, but this user refuses to budge and has since told me that they plan to revert all my "vandalism" -- even though I've clearly informed them that I am not vandalisng, I am simply following WP:MUSIC guidelines. Since you've dealt with musical articles before, I figured you might be of help again. Please tell me what I can do with this stubborn, incivil user who insists on "owning" their articles. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The merge protocol WP:MERGE should be followed, but I think an AfD is more likely to get the results you need here which is formal consensus from others that can be used to keep the article redirected, assuming that IS the consensus. An AfD is likely to result in a merge consensus. --NrDg 13:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Scott Porter, Lego Star Wars
I admit I missed the Patrick Dempsey one this morning but I left the other 3 edits alone because they were (surprisingly) correct - Scott Porter is in the Speed Racer movie, and both of those Lego games were listed in the navbox he added (and not by him). Ok if I redo those 3?

I didn't AIV him today because he's learned to pause a while after being tagged by me, and sometimes avoids a block this way. AAA! has just been reverting him, avoiding building a shrine - I've been trying to be patient enough to give that a go. Bazzargh (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Redo the correct stuff. I don't check as I am not familiar with all the subjects he touches, I just rollback everything he does. He is effectively banned so none of his edits are welcome. Need to also check for stuff he did that are masked by subsequent edits by others. I would block immediately that I recognize him but he edits when I am not on. AIV should as well but admins not familiar with this vandal will want the full protocol to be followed. --NrDg 14:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Vanessa-hudgens.com
What's the status of Vanessa-hudgens.com as a source? Is it official, or a fan-site. It looks pretty fan-siteish, but I'm concerned that I may be dismissing it as a reliable source too quickly.Kww (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See http://vanessa-hudgens.com/about.php. It is a pure and simple fan-site with no association with Hudgens. Tertiary reference at best and not a WP:RS reliable source. --NrDg 13:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You've probably noticed that I'm a fairly aggressive remover of unsourced information, but keeping Identified out of the Vanessa Hudgens articles is beginning to make me doubt myself.Kww (talk) 13:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The disambiguation page of Hannah
Hello again NrDg! I was just wondering if we should add "Hannah Montana" to the disambiguation page. What do you mean? -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 16:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It is already on the subpage Hannah (given name) under fictional characters, so doesn't need to be on the main page Hannah. --NrDg 16:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh thank you for your quick message! Take care -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 16:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!

 * Thanks for the barnstar. --NrDg 16:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

High School Musical 3: Senior Year
You deserve it ;) But I got a problem on High School Musical 3: Senior Year It's getting way to much unsourced information, most by ip's and new editors. I was wondering if you could please help me watching this page, and those release dates doesn't seem to be correct. -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 17:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been loosely watching it but left it alone as most bad stuff was getting corrected fairly quickly. Recent activity from IPs seem to mostly be vandalism and insertion of unsourced info so I protected the article for a month. This should give everyone a bit of a breather to get the article into good shape again.--NrDg 17:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank your for the lock!

Vanessa Hudgens
Now the problem is Vanessa Hudgens I don't want a possible edit war there but it seems to me that people add her new album to be | Identified It's more edits then just that one. A page has been created which I do belive will be tagged for WP:CSD and deleted. Just wanted to notify you about this! -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 17:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Album has a current AfD in progress. Need to wait for that to be closed. It is possible a reference will be found to support the name. Tagged the album with citation needed tag which should keep most people satisfied for a while. --NrDg 18:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you're very nice NrDg. Thanks to you I got better on Wikipedia!:) But can you give me the link to the AfD discussion? -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 18:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you found it. WP:Articles for deletion/Identified --NrDg 19:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: this ... I'm not about to edit war with an admin, but I think you are wrong by allowing the reference to stay. We know that there are no reliable sources. Putting a on the gossip is just inviting people to add unreliable references to a piece of gossip.Kww (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say it's the right way to go, if you've seen the history it's to many people adding it, currently it's under a AfD which you made. When someone closes the AfD with the results, it should be updated. So I totally support NrDg on his decision on just putting a citation needed. Nice working with you NrDg, hope we can work with each other more :) Take care! -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 19:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am trying to head off an edit war - see above. I am just trying to get the article to a somewhat stable place where this can be left alone until the AfD plays out. Normally I'd just go along with removing the dubious info but tagging it does communicate that it is not trusted. If you disagree or have a better idea, go for it. I won't revert and will stay out of the issue. I trust your judgment. --NrDg 19:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If it stays confined to that single place, I'll leave it. If it breaks out all over the templates, discographies, and other albums again, I'll take them all back out. The appropriate action if it continues is to protect the article.Kww (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a reasonable plan. The main article is already semi-protected. Might consider full to get a discussion going to reach a concensus but hope it doesn't get to that point. The AfD is the best place for the discussion right now. Who knows, someone might actually find a reference and this whole issue becomes moot. --NrDg 20:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Hannah Montana episodes
Thanks! It looks more cleaner, a lot fresher. Where do we generally get new episode information from?- Yours truly, S  (talk)   19:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally I trust TV Guide the most followed by TV.com. Neither are completely accurate but if it is in both I feel pretty confident the info is good. That is why I put both as general references. An episode list on the show's official web site is the best, if the information is there. Other than that I would like to see newspapers web sites or press releases for stuff that is not yet in TV Guide or TV.com. We can't use YouTube generally or Disney photos not on a Disney site as they are prohibited links to copyright violations. Most sites don't have Disney permission to host Disney's copyrighted photos.--NrDg 19:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say that, The Way We Almost Weren't has already been aired in UK, if I'm not wrong. I just mean it's weird if it's in the third season, while the other third season episodes haven't been shown. For example: "We're All on This Date Together" -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 20:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Season 3 does not exist yet. Everything that has been taped belongs to season 2. Season 2 will continue until all the episodes taped are shown. --NrDg 20:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that, but why is "The Way We Almost Weren't" in the season 3 table then? -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 20:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Header level is wrong. Future episodes should not be sub to Season 3. --NrDg 20:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you telling me that "The Way We Almost Weren't" belongs to season 2? -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 20:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh you mean that! Take care -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 22:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Check this ref. I do not see why this is in the List of Hannah Montana episodes -- 'Kanonkas' :  Take Contact 14:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The auction is over so no advertising benefit. The script cover image gives details that support the episode information in the article. Might be a possible contributory copyright violation to link to that image but I think it is OK as the image is just text. I don't have a problem leaving that as a reference for now until the show airs and we get something better. --NrDg 15:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

User:RSA66666
Hello. I see that you identified the above troll as a sock of the UPN vandal group. Actually, I'm 99% certain based on the pattern that he's actually part of the sockpuppet group of a.k.a. . I've been fighting this moron for a year or so and regularly ask Dmcdevit to checkuser the accounts so that the underlying IPs can be blocked. This usually slows his activity down. The pattern is pretty simple: creation of hoax articles about non-existing movies (often cartoons or children movies), usernames including "Boy" (though not recently) or a big bunch of numbers, edits to templates related to Pixar, Disney and so on to link to the hoax articles, etc. I can tell you a lot more if you're interested or you can look at my log of blocks. 90% of my recent blocks are related to this vandal and I don't even bother including them in the list of socks anymore. But if you look at their deleted contribs you'll see the pattern pretty quick. Please let me or Dmcdevit know when you find some of these guys so we can try and take a few whacks at him. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson (talk) 20:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll check into it some more - you are probably right. It just seemed strange that the UPN vandal and Lyle123 are editing the same stuff at the same time and seem to be working in concert. Coincidence or the same person? UPN is mostly on AOL though. I assume Lyle123 isn't. --NrDg 21:03, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know about Lyle as he was active way before I started dealing with this. But most likely, Lyle123 = StealBoy and the latter, as well as his numerous socks, are definitely editing from an Australian ISP. Dmcdevit occasionally hard-blocks IP ranges to try and corner him. Note that in his trolling pattern, StealBoy uses new sock-accounts to create new hoax articles but uses anon edits to link to these pages. So before you delete his hoaxes, you can use "what links here" to find the underlying IP. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 21:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

What was inappropriate ??
You just deleted the image from Demi Lovato and you told me that it was inappropriate. Can you tell me what was inappropriate?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdswithfangs (talk • contribs) 04:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on your page. Basically the image had an invalid license release so was not free use as it must be for a bio info box. --NrDg 04:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you review the article Demi Lovato now. I edited it please tell me if this is ok. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdswithfangs (talk • contribs) 04:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Source for Identified
Someone finally used a youtube video of a Radio Disney interview as a source. It's at about 8 minutes in, but the title is stated. You have my permission to close the AFD based on incoming information.Kww (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't close it as I am involved. --NrDg 03:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Gerald Gonzalez and his socks
So, how's his rap sheet? Any more violations in his belt that we might consider? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 05:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for a certain pattern of behavior. Look for vandalizing Marian Rivera and fanish buildup of Angel Locsin as part of the behavior. --NrDg 05:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, his edit patterns seem to be consistent; anyway, I've PM'd him at YouTube about the situation - here's the message:

I AM REALLY THE NUMBER 1 FAN OF Angel Locsin yes/////// it was me yes anyway i am not doing bad edits to anybody in Wikipedia im just only helping angel locsin's page but now i cant do it because all of my accounts was blocked and my IP address cant make another account because it is also blocked.............. thankyou...

THANKYOU SO MUCH.............

Hmm, he also said that he's now "tired" of editing, so I told him to discuss matters at the talk page instead of littering fancruft. I'm waiting for a reply from him... God Bless and see you around... Blake Gripling (talk) 05:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is definitely him. He did one more thing that fits the MO. I'm for giving him a bit of a chance because I do think he wants to be a good contributor. He does tend to ignore advice and help, though, so he will likely end up blocked if that continues. --NrDg 16:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For sure, he asked pardon from me, and on the grounds that he's trying to help, I tried giving him a bit of a chance, as long as he doesn't play a sockpuppet show anymore and that he doesn't act like a jerk when editing pages... Blake Gripling (talk) 01:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Miley & Mandy
Have you seen the article? I think it's a very weird article, I mean. It's YouTube videos not television hosted show/series. What do you mean about it? -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 17:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hadn't seen it. I do support the merge back to the main article as there is nothing there that supports its own article. --NrDg 19:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I see no talk page talking about the merge. Should you/I create it. Should we first let the merge template be there, and if that doesn't work a possible AfD of the page -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 19:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Start a section on the main page the merge template points to. I'll probably comment when I figure out what I want to say. I haven't decided yet if I support a merge or a separate article. The article has no references but references do exist that show notability as reported in reliable news sources. The question is there enough unique info to support a separate article? Right now I'm cool about letting things work themselves out. I wouldn't suggest an AfD right now. --NrDg 19:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Taken care of see the talk -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 15:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The Suite Life on Deck
Can you help me with this article? It seems to lack reliable sources and links, espescially everyone seems to edit the character list and I restored the templates on Miley & Mandy -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 05:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Club Penguin
Humph! Well, I don't care! I'd rather play at Club Penguin than be on Wikipedia anyday! Lovato45 (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Radio Disney Podcast
I can't make myself listen to the whole thing, but there is a new Vanessa Hudgens podcast up on Radio Disney. It isn't the same interview, but she might confirm "Identified" in it, and give us a real reference.Kww (talk) 00:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Please block my school ip
Could u block it? I didnt do anything and I got a message, the ip is owned by the school. Please do something --217.8.153.49 (talk) 11:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Not enough to go on. --NrDg 13:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture of Haley Hill ?
I just happened to visit the article of Haley Hill and I saw a different picture. Is the girl on the photo really Haley Hill or Selena Gomez? Please help. By the way, FortyFootEcho uploaded the photo. Altarep (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what Haley Hill looks like so can't judge the picture. The photo is from flickr and the flickr comment identifies it as a picture of Hill. A comment on the image page says it is of Gomez. I have seen no other pictures of Haley Hill. If you believe the picture is not of her, remove it and note the reason it was removed was because it is of someone else. You should probably discuss this with the uploader first though. He claims he took the picture on flckr so might be able defend the identity. --NrDg 15:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that but I've been to Hill's YouTube page (which I hope doesn't violate the copyright) and her photos and videos that she posted clearly is different from the Wikipedia picture (from Flickr that is). Prepelos deleted the photo from the Wiki site just to give you an update of it. Altarep (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Raven-Symone
I was wondering if you could restore some sections, I'm not so sure that's why I ask you to do it. A user have been deleting sections in the article. I assume goodfaith but the user has been notified about the issue look at this rev for example. Thanks -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 11:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he is just trying to improve the article by pruning what he thinks is unnecessary stuff. If he removes stuff without any reason given just restore and warn. If there is a good faith justifying reason then you need to discuss it with him and work to an agreement. Be careful about getting in an edit war. --NrDg 13:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's exactly why I didn't do more edits on the page either, the user has been in a edit war on Brenda Song I've got a admin to protect Brenda Song now I'd like to request you to read trough and fix it if you don't mind and you can notify the user about the edit war if that's ok too. Keep a eye on him/her -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 14:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Identified
Hi, I am Surfer-boy94 and I was just wondering if you had the ability to block people, because there is this editor that just won't quit adding unsourced material and rumours to the article Identified. Surfer-boy94 (talk) 13:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I warned editor. Blocks can't be done until editor has received a final warning and continues disruptive editing after the warning. --NrDg 14:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Blocked for adding misinformation after final warning. --NrDg 17:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

May you adopt me?
Please adopt me 20080419182614 --Sean (talk) 20:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am unable to adopt a user at this time. --NrDg 20:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Brenda Song images
Why is a Brenda Song WIKI emergency happening!!!!!!!!!! Hen there are millions of other images UNSOURCED and pages unreferenced. Or do you think that the oage is too long and right now you are only thinking of reasons to make it shorter well NEWS FLASH for you and Gimmetrow!!!!!! Song is a TEEN IDOL which means that several vandellism issues will emerge bigger numbers. --GossipGFan1123 23:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We will fix the vandalism as we find it. The goal is to create an encyclopedia, not a fan-site. The issue is the limited ways we can use copyrighted images. See WP:IUP and wp:NONFREE for more. One of the rules is that copyrighted images that are here under fair-use must be used in an article. We also can't use non-free copyrighted images in bio articles. All copyrighted images that by policy cant belong are removed when identified. The uploader is generally warned and given some time to fix the problem. --NrDg 21:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Blocking & deleting pages
Hi NrDg, I was just wondering if users on wikipedia who are not administrators can block people and delete pages?? thanks, Surfer-boy94. Surfer-boy94 (talk) 00:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You effectively can, but not directly, you have to ask an administrator to do it for you. Request blocks at WP:AIV. To delete pages use WP:PROD, WP:CSD or WP:AFD. An admin will, hopefully, act as required by the process. Header at top of WP:AIV has lots of pointers on how to get things done. --NrDg 00:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Drew Lane
Hi NrDg, please look into page: "Drew Lane". There are numerous typographical errors. The page is very sloppy, claims producer has worked with artists which he has no proof of, claiming producer has 114x platinum status, with once again no proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.139.37 (talk) 08:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted the latest changes as they were unreferenced and likely false. --NrDg 14:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Brenda Song page lock
I do not think that it is fair for everyone else. Because of the lock issue since only Wikipedia admins can edit and other users can not edit because BratzQ8 who was adding unsourced singles and was being warned about it. I do not think it is very fair so can you atleast consider adding a semi protected lock for registered user who are confirmed to edit. IntoCreativeJan 12:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems a bizarre decision to lock the article because of one anon editor! And lock fo rso long as well. On articles with 17/19 edits being vandalism, and the majority of the edits this year being vandalism, I've only succeeded in getting one semi-protect! --David from Downunder (talk) 11:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Protecting admin was Philippe responding to a request at WP:RPP for edit warring. Please contact Philippe or request unprotect at WP:RPP. --NrDg 12:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And I got mixed up... I was actually referring to the block on this page Identified which was you! So maybe you are the person then to ask to semi-protect Wrestling from all the nitwits. --David from Downunder (talk) 12:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just added a citation needed tag after the page was protected by Philippe about the same time he protected Brenda Song. See . Please request unprotect using WP:RPP or contact Philippe. I don't want to undo the actions of another admin as per WP:WHEEL restrictions. Best way is to make your case at WP:RPP in an unprotect request. --NrDg 12:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... I can't read! --David from Downunder (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a eye on this article. it'll get unprotected today we don't want a dispute again. -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact  09:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Jonas Brothers and Malese Jow
Actually the link you just gave me is unofficial and does not have any music. It is fan made and clearly obvious from the I am Single part and Malese confirmed in an inetrview that the one i added to the Jonas Brothers page is the real one since it contains her msuic and video blogs made by her, so next time check the link you just added. The one that you claim is the real one has no images, no posts and no music and is not a music account. While the other one is confirmed to be her and has video blogs by her. The one you added is the fan which is a no brainer i am surprised taht you are a admin, since they are suppose to know the difference and check different articles for non free images like the Mandy Moore and Ashlee Simpson articles. P.s. i do reply when you frame me for vandalism and add broken links to un official fan made pages.--GossipGFan1123 6:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music and search for Malese Jow, which is what I did. The other MySpace location is not a music myspace. It may or may not be official but we generally trust Music Myspace as proof is required to get one. I did check the reference you gave and couldn't find the support based on the information you provided. Provide a link to the interview, not a general web location. --NrDg 17:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Go and check the playlist and it says for the second one written by Kevin Jonas and yes it has her sings and video blogs ehich make it official and she confirmed that would a look a like pretend to be malese and post videos of her acting and singing like malese??? highly unlikely. --GossipGFan1123 7:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Specify the name of the song in the reference. That justifies lyrics for one song "Where You Belong" written by Kevin Jonas, Sr. & PJ Bianco, not your statement "The brothers have written several songs for Malese Jow." This is why we want to be able to verify what the reference really says. I won't push on the MySpace reference as it appears legit to me, but others might not as MySpace is generally suspect. --NrDg 18:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus
Are you suggesting all you need is an article that states clearly photos have leaked? If so, I'll look for one. If there are other reasons, please let me know. I do feel that this meets Wikipedia's mission statement of including all releveant, newsworthy items. If this doesn't, then her personal life dancing video surely does not either, right? Sorry, not trying to be combative, but one of my Wikipedia chorses is updating articles with 'new' newsworthy facts. I'm not trying to push a POV that she is a fallen angel nor is she graced by God. "Just the facts," as long as they're relevant. --LeyteWolfer (talk) 15:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Still we don't need to rush to be first. Please comment on issue at talk:Miley Cyrus. Bio articles need to be handled with care for derogatory info. Issue right now is mostly "is this notable" as reported by "reliable sources". --NrDg 15:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Responding here from your similar post on my TP. The question I pose: does a lack of comment from the Cyrus camp mean that the pictures remain ambiguous forever? If there is confidence in a true news source that her pictures /have/ been released (by someone), do we need confirmation from either Cyrus or her people? Wikipedia doesn't require that for a reference or for an event to be considered noteworthy, so the questions if that burden of proof is required by the keepers of this article? I'm willing to wait a day or two for her people to respond; in the mean time I'll seek out other articles that do not refer to it being ambiguous, but reported simply as her (note worthy sources, of course). --LeyteWolfer (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please add the above to talk:Miley Cyrus so others can comment. I am not the only interested party to this. --NrDg 15:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

i dont understand.
you threatened to ban me because i updated an actual page. (albeit for once) i simply added a recent event to the pai edited that is true and written to the best of my information on that matter. i fail to see how updating it with whats going on in her life is vandalising the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinisterspider (talk • contribs) 23:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure you understand quite well. It was the fourth time you vandalized a page. Adding deliberately fake information is considered vandalism, by the way. Lack of any edits other than vandalism shows your intentions were not to contribute in a positive manner to wikipedia. --NrDg 23:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Noelia
I want to say thank you, for taking the action of Protecting Noelia's page, we are writers of music, and found all public forums related to Noelia vadalized by a group that we know are the Yoalndita Monge Fans Club and the Noelia's stepfather employees, we detect in diferent sites how they vandalize Noelia's forums and sites with horrible statements. Thank you Again for your actions, and FYI, Nolie in did File a criminal case agints this individual in mexico its no public because ist a criminal investigation, but its Real. in the other hand yes the sthepfather file a frivos law siut in Puerto rico to try to distract the media from the Criminal chrages, We don't thinkg that is relevant to wikipedia or Noelia's fans either nasty legal battles. Lets contribute to the article,. No one have take the time to clean her mother's article its full of violations. see. Yolandita Monge ( they claim gold and platinum album that dont exist in the RIAA data base, please check and you will see.

Thanks Again

Regina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reginaaguirre (talk • contribs) 03:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please understand that I am not taking any sides or position in this dispute. The protection is temporary to allow for an agreement to be reached between all sides. A mediation case has been opened at WP:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-04-22 Noelia. Please contribute to the discussion there and on the talk:Noelia discussion page. --NrDg 04:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello. You close the article from editing but left the controvercial parts that are in argument. We are trying to reach and agreement so why did you left the lawsuit which we are trying to meditate in the article. Let get in an agreement first and then put the article. You closed the article with the untrue version that "Regina" put? My recommendation is to put the article as it original was with neither lawsuits until we resoleve the problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laverdadinfo (talk • contribs) 04:56, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I make no judgment of what is the correct version when locking an article in a dispute. See The Wrong Version. I am not permitted to edit or change the article unless consensus has been shown for the change or to remove policy violations. Please continue the mediation process. --NrDg 13:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

another User:Gerald Gonzalez sockpuppet
Please check this user out (User:Newnimator. This maybe another sockpuppet of Gerald Gonzalez. (see his latest contributions for evidences) Thanks! -Danngarcia (talk) 13:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely. --NrDg 13:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we request to fully protect the Angel Locsin article since several of Gerald Gonzalez' socks edit/vandalize this page very often? -Danngarcia (talk) 14:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Full protection is for major content disputes and heavy blatant vandalism by registered users. Gerald Gonzalez is corrupting the article with POV pushing and addition of copyright violations - easy things to fix and not generally derogatory to the subject. He is annoying mostly but not malicious. Semi-protect prevents new users from editing and slows him down a bit which is why the article is semi-protected. You can request full protection at WP:RPP but I strongly doubt that any admin will grant it - I won't at this time. --NrDg 15:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Emily Osment photos
Per checkuser case Osmentjonasfan was indefinite blocked for sockpuppetry, now I'm wondering what we should do about the pictures? See her/his block log, and NrDg it's nice to see you on commons. -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 18:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I expect all the sockpuppet images will be deleted from commons and the cleanup bot will automatically remove the links from the en wiki articles. I'm willing to wait for the commons process to finish. I'll defer to the judgment of the commons admins on what to do with the images. --NrDg 19:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've contacted the admin who was involved in the CU case, and his not sure what to do about the pictures. So I'll speak to another Admin about the issue, hope I can get this solved today-- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 11:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got in touch with a admin and the result was fake they're now deleted, so when the page protection is gone I'm going to remove them unless you do it. -- 'Kanonkas' : <font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Take Contact 13:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Miley Cyrus edits
Hi NrDg. I wanted to clarify about my recent Miley Cyrus edit. I don't mind that you reverted my edit because of the header. The thing is, I also made some grammar changes in that edit, too, as I mentioned in my ES, so that got reverted, too. I personally don't like reverting people's edits too much, but just now I restored the article back to my edit (simply to keep the grammar changes), but removed the header, too. So hopefully we've got the best of both worlds now, without the header being there. Let me know if you still have concerns. By the way, I find it very refreshing to see someone AGF. :) Regards, <font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="3px" color="green">Jamie <font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="2px" color="blue">S93  15:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you check on this guy?
It seems as though User:Boronganon seems to be a sock of that Gerald guy, and he even stole parts of my userpage, such as the infobox, userboxes and stuff. Can we investigate on this? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 10:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Probable but I'm not certain yet. --NrDg 12:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Gerald Gonzalez - edit behavior is too similar. --NrDg 22:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Shall we, like, call the Arbcom on this user and settle this once and for all? Also, he's editing in an Internet cafe, which increases the risk of block evasion, since the owners might not be aware that their customer is using their terminals for POV pushing and disruption. God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He's annoying and disruptive but not malicious - a fanboy who wants to create a wiki shrine. If he is using an Internet cafe without any identification of the individual there is nothing that can be done over what we are doing now. If he is using an ISP with a logged identity we might get him on an ISP term of service violation if the ISP cares to cooperate - unlikely. I hope he either starts being a good editor or gets bored. Best we can do right now is identify and block as necessary. --NrDg 00:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He claimed that his last account was User:Filipino Wikipedian. But why would he pick on me and steal stuff from my user page anyway? It's got to be Gerald's, based on the edit pattern. And I think he had done enough, even if some of his edits doesn't seem malicious; he made hoaxes such as the now-huffed article Victory Combat Force Security Agency "owned" by a certain "Gomander S. Dimaporo". He made non-notable (and possibly hoax) edits to several WP articles, such as Maranao, and he claimed to be a relative of several celebrities. A long term abuse report is perhaps necessary. Blake Gripling (talk) 04:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Lucille Ball
HEllo there! I need your help again. I need you to semi-protect the Lucille Ball article again as it has been vandalized a greta deal lately. Can you please do this for me to protect this page from further attacks? Thank you Canyouhearmenow 22:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)