User talk:Nrswanson/Archive 4

Re: Your revert
Please see the discussion here. You happen to own a copy of Pro Secrets of Heavy Rock Singing? And it's not in there? Scarian Call me Pat!  11:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for reseizing the image I was trying to link to Mrs. Hiba Al Kawas Article. Could you please offer me some info on howdoing it next time. Thank you.Editorial7 (talk) 23:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Assessment at the Opera Project
Hi. Thanks for the message. I've been out of WP action for several weeks for several reasons, the most important of which have been, on the one hand, holidays and opera-going (example: off to the Wexford Festival Opera tomorrow), and, on the other hand, computer problems which I won't bore you with but I hope to get fixed when I'm finally home in early November.

In answer to your question, yes, I'm still keen to get the assessment process going, but we need a Plan. Feel free to email me via the link on my user page if you want to discuss this further. Best. --GuillaumeTell 01:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm back (permanently, I hope), having messed up the installation of a new wireless networking hub and spent much of today finally getting everything back to the way it should have been and hey presto, it works! Also I've seen eight operas at four venues in three countries in the last month.  I'll be glad to hear your thoughts on assessment.  Best. --GuillaumeTell 22:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Boy mezzo-soprano
Hi, I'm not quite sure what do with this new unreferenced "article". Is it salvageable? Redirect to Alto? Prod? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hiba Kawas
I was reading you comment about the Pioneering of the Arabic Opera, when the Comment Known as the Pioneer of Arabic Opera was added, it was because in the Arab world it is known that she is the one who developed the technique for voice of using the Operatic techniques with Arabic letters, without souunding as Italian or German, but rather "preserving the Aabic letters and Arabic traditional sining" with these techniques, also the composition she does combines both worlds the Arabic music spirit and the Occidental techniques. So it is not only a concer of composing Opera of imitation or it is not also an Opera in Arabic but rather an Arabic Opera. Her vocal techniques that she has developed for the Arabic letters, now are going to be usued in music academies in the Arab world. So it is a differfen experiecne building a solid ground for having an Arabic Opera. The problem is most of the Articles about this are in Arabic, where we can not depend on them as citation.--Editorial7 (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

vocal register
thanks for the citation. I felt that to start the article with such an extremely controversial claim required a source. that fact is contrary to most other texts. DrG (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Veronica Mars DYK
I understand (now) that the DYK should've been listed under the 24th, but no user actually told me that. It is unfair that the lack of response results in the DYK not being accepted. Is there any way you could reconsider and allow it? Please. Pretty please?  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  08:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 25
Dear Nrswanson, why did you erase Articles created/expanded on October 25? The bio of Petrus Johannes Waardenburg qualifies for the "Did you know". It just needs another hook. I've another hook. Have a nice day. AdjustShift (talk) 08:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In the case of Petrus Johannes Waardenburg, I failed to address the concerns given by Daniel Case regarding plagiarism in time because I just saw it two hours ago. The timelimit still has not expired – I've seen DYK noms extending for two days. Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 08:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I include "Articles created/expanded on October 25" in Template talk:Did you know, and add my nomination? Perhaps it should get one last chance? Thoughts? AdjustShift (talk) 08:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When you were posting the reply, I added it to Template talk:Did you know! The bio is ready for the "Did you know". Now you've to do something. Or, should we seek assistance of an experienced admin? Have a nice day. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 09:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 09:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I should also review other people’s nominations. When we fix problems early, it will benefit all of us. Once again, thanks for your help. Have a nice day! :-) AdjustShift (talk) 09:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Actually, it was Gatoclass's suggestion. Feel free to change it back. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems you are correct that I screwed up the meaning of the phrase, since I failed to distinguish between "coloratura" (technique) and "lyric coloratura" (type of soprano). That's the price one pays for trying to fix things on the fly.


 * I still maintain however that the original hook was inappropriate. There was no mention in the underlying reference that there is anything exceptional about winning a singing prize at the age of nineteen, so if the intention of the hook was to make that point, it was unsupported by the source. But if on the other hand it is not exceptional to win such a prize at that age, then there was nothing exceptional about the hook fact in the first place. So either way, the hook was not acceptable in my view. Gatoclass (talk) 06:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Bel canto
Wow! A huge improvement! I just did a bit of clean-up of typos etc. and I added the names of some of the more prominent bc teachers. I also referenced the comments about Gimenez and Florez to articles available on line. Ciampa's book doesn't really support the contention as well. Plus some of his own notions, e.g. how Florez doesn't really have a bel canto technique even though others think he does, are quite preposterous. I also took out Matteuzzi as an example of a contemporary - he's pretty much retired to become a singing teacher now. Voceditenore (talk) 15:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Helen Westwood
Just thought I would let you know that the references have been improved for Helen Westwood. Assize (talk) 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Scene7
I have expanded the article significantly. There is a lot of information available about the company before it was acquired by Adobe. Please take another look. Gary King ( talk ) 17:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll continue to look for information, but as I've pointed out, there are a lot of newspapers, journals, etc. that have more information. Another person who has access to newspaper databases can be asked to independently verify these sources. Gary King  ( talk ) 18:21, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to point out that, if you take a look at the Compete.com ranking for Scene7, you will see that it is ranked the #315 most popular website on the web, ahead of sites as, say, Wikinews at #15,353 and Wikiquote at #4,185. This should be taken into consideration in addition to the many journal and news articles out there about the website. I've got more information on the website, but I'm a bit busy today, so I haven't added all of the information that I found. Gary King  ( talk ) 19:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I cleaned up the article a bit; a lot of the questions you brought up were already answered in the article. The company started off as a division of Autodesk. It eventually got spun off a few times and ended up as a separate company in 2001, up until its acquisition in 2007. Gary King  ( talk ) 17:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
By the way, thanks for your well-worded reply on my talk page, and my apologies for not replying sooner. Take care. Oran e  (talk)  02:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

More appropriate title for 2008 attack at Beijing Drum Tower during Olympics

 * I have set up a poll to vote on the new name of the article. Please go to the talk page. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Murder of Amanda Milan
An article that you have been involved in editing, Murder of Amanda Milan, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Murder of Amanda Milan. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

User:DAJF
Hi Nrswanson. I've been noticing the deletions of reliable references and multiple reverts from User:DAJF. He's been keeping track on all the pages I've edited, deleting pages with reliable references, and telling me to stop posting "voice ranges" without an reliable source. I'm very confused. :\ I'm not being a tattle-tale or anything. Just wanted to know what is really going on. Tribal44 (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

For one, the Eula Beal page you mentioned, the Enya, Pink, Amy Winehouse ,and other pages. Why would he send me a note stating I should post a reliable source and he goes and deletes them? Tribal44 (talk) 18:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

You're right about the source on Enya's vocal range. That was the only one I could find. The others were either old wiki articles or blogs. What bugged me was he was deleting some of the actual sources, and telling me I should post the reliable one instead of the originals I posted. Tribal44 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Milan
I'm not sure what's up with that. From what I can gather, Rivera (who was a leader of the original STAR) must have founded a new organisation with a similar name after Milan's death. I'm not sure of the notability of that group; if it is independently notable, an article should be written on the new one, otherwise it should be a footnote in the one on the old STAR.

However, with the exception of that sentence, the lead he's written is excellent, and in my opinion well explains why the murder was notable in a neutral, BLP-compliant, and non-tabloid fashion; it's something I might have written if I was more patient with such things. Rebecca (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had a bit of a search, and if the organisation is still active I can't find any evidence of it. (Rivera herself died about 18 months later, which might explain why, and the founding of the Sylvia Rivera Law Project not long after might have taken priority over keeping this group going.) However, there does appear to be some sources on the refounding of the original group by some notable activists, and the specific ties of that decision to this case. It might be worth tracking down some of these book sources and adding that information to both Amanda Milan and Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries. Rebecca (talk) 01:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Hey, I saw you work at DYK. Does one have to be approved to work there, approving and promoting items? Thanks,  Grsz  11   →Review!  03:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, that's easy enough. I was looking for something to do, and there are so many interesting things there. Thanks for the response,  Grsz  11   →Review!  03:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Porn on DYK
Hi. I thought I should let you know that I have left a reply at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. I noticed that you reverted the addition of the hook in question to the next update page, despite not being actively involved in the discussion in the past day or so, and despite not taking the matter to the Village Pump as you had suggested you were going to. - Mark 10:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, ignore the above. I managed not to notice discussion further down that page. - Mark 10:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Your edits to Glen Ord Distillery
Good work with the article, the edits you added we're great!
 * Cabe 6403  (Talk•Sign!) 10:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Jean-François Delmas
Hi, if you've got access to Grove and it's not too much trouble could you paste the stuff on my articles in progress page? I'll then archive it to the page's history (or you can) so I'll have it for reference. I'll try to start that article in the next few days. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Voceditenore (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Choral symphony
Not sure if you were the person who rated this article. Regardless, I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to improve it from its current rating of C class. Thanks. Jonyungk (talk) 07:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well thanks for asking. I guess to upgrade to a B article I would expect a more detailed discussion on a few other major choral symphonies like the Faust Symphony(1854) and Dante Symphony (1856) by Franz Liszt, Gustav Holst's First Choral Symphony (1923–4), and Benjamin Britten's Spring Symphony. The sections on Shostakovich's Second, Third, and 13th symphonies could be expanded as could Vaughan Williams's A Sea Symphony. Obviously we wouldn't want these sections to become too detailed as they all deserve their own articles. However, their relevence within this topic is enough that an overview would be appropriate. You've taken the article in a great direction so far. Keep up the good work. Nrswanson (talk) 07:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouragement and suggestions. Though I would wonder about the inclusion of Liszt's two symphonies for discussion, I understand and agree with the general gist of what you are saying and have so far included more information on the Britten, Shostakovich and Vaughan Williams. If you have a chance to look at what I've done so far to make sure we're on the same page, I'd appreciate any additional feedback. Thanks again for the time and effort you've put in here. Jonyungk (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm in the middle of a bunch of work for the major Puccini push (it's his 150th birthday next month) so I really don't have time to put a lot of thought into choral symphony right now. But I will get back to you. The only reason why I mentioned Liszt is because Grove talks about it in its article on choral symphony.Nrswanson (talk) 09:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Understood and not a problem—I really appreciate the time that you've been able to put in thus far. Will check out the Grove article. Jonyungk (talk) 19:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Photos etc.
I've found photos for Flora Perini, Rita Fornia, and Giuseppe Cremonini. No luck with the elusive Gustave Huberdeau, but check the external link I added for him. If you can incorporate the material into the article you might get a DYK ;-) I'll try to get some Manon Lescaut stuff up for you tomorrow. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Billy Hawthorn
I think we should definitely bring this up at DYK. I, too, have rejected hooks from this user for the same reason (just this morning, I think, I rejected his The Outlaws hook, and BorgQueen removed it a little bit ago). We might have to get together and agree on a message to send that user. Thanks for noticing this pattern and bringing it to everyone's attention! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 02:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm one of the ones who needs a hand-slapping (if not for letting one of Billy's hooks slip through, then for some other thing, at least).  We definitely need to scrutinize sources carefully. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 02:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm...I think pretty much what you said in your first message to me would be a fine way to bring it up at talk. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 02:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Titles for murder victims
I do assume good faith but as per policy, these sorts of moves should be discussed first. I think victims of hate crimes in particular often have a symbolic significance that elevates them as individuals to being noteworthy. I believe this is why, if you look at the categories I mentioned Talk:Matthew_Shepard virtually none of them are prefixed with "Murder of". Queerudite (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe I am looking at the wrong sections. I found "discussions" about renaming the articles, but nothing that looked like consensus. For instance, Talk:Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo has four editors (including yourself) in support of "Murder of" and three (including myself) in support of the original title. Similar ratio if you add combine [] and Talk:Murder_of_Amanda_Milan. Queerudite (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The original conversations were held several days earlier under the title "notability". (FYI because of my questions these article are tons better than they were so don't judge the comments on the current state of the articles. The notability wasn't well established or clear before but is now.) It was only later after someone stupidly moved Matthew Shepherd that there was a general outcry over the other pages. (probably Lihass who I suspect is a hater) The conversations you are looking at occured after the decisions to move the articles. I personally think that the Matthew Shepherd thing got everybody's back up and now they aren't really willing to look at this thing rationally.Nrswanson (talk) 05:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Delighted as I am that the guidelines that I originally proposed are being used, and being used in the way I had hoped (partly to make people think about the most descriptive title), are you aware that there is still a tag on WP:N/CA? If you think consensus has been reached, then by all means use it, but be aware of the fact that this is not policy (was never meant to be) and as far as I am aware is yet to be an accepted guideline, much as I would like it to be. Fritzpoll (talk) 15:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Book Awards
Sorry - I see you are on line now and both of us happen be editing American Book Award. I need to run on to other things and so please take over and edit as you see fit. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Jean Périer‎
I have been trying to build up the article on the above singer. I note that you have requested a clean-up. It would be helpful if you could say which sections require cleaning-up, in case I am able to do this. Many thanksCg2p0B0u8m (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Opera Project assessment
Sorry to be slow about this, but I've been doing a lot of catching up since my Internet connexion stabilised, and also there are competing demands of various sorts on my time at present. Thursday is the next day on which I have no engagements, and I promise I'll get back to you then. Best. --GuillaumeTell 01:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Paolo Antonio Rolli
Dear Nrswanson, I've started a new bio called Paolo Antonio Rolli. It was a red link in Griselda (Giovanni Bononcini). Can you develop the bio? Have a nice day. AdjustShift (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK problem
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  C h a m a l  talk 11:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Disinfoboxes
Bravo! It is one hell of a good work. The debate in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style - Individual wikiprojects are deleting infoboxes has getting longer without any decision. I like to suggest for a "global" consensus or else we are not going anywhere but seeing this debate again and again. In just 2 years joining Wikipedia, I have gone through this debate for many times. That is why I would suggest someone to take this matter to the higher level, so then it would not be called as decision made based on some WikiProjects consensus but the as part Wikipedia format guideline. Infobox debates have been like our "quarterly debate" when we have to read and argue about it at least 3 times a year. - Jay (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nrswanson-- magnificent. You have articulately written what many of us have been saying, in part and with occasional incoherence, for a long time.  Bravo.  Antandrus  (talk) 20:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice little essay Nr, but you've bumped the wrong guy :) I am actually strongly in favour of infoboxes. Critics of infoboxes tend to focus on the information contained in them, which they contend is frequently redundant, but what they tend to overlook is the aesthetic impact of an infobox.

Infoboxes give articles a professional, polished, structured look and often brighten up otherwise dull articles. Articles composed of plain text look dull and boring, and tend to discourage engagement. Gatoclass (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violations
I've reverted your edits to Antoine Bullant ‎ and deleted the Hans Vogt (composer) article since they were violating the copyrights of Grove. I know that you are doing a lot of good work, and I'm sure you can appreciate the importance for the long term survival of wikipedia that we are diligent about these issues. Best wishes/ Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC)